#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 21 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:44 AM xxcoder: lol I knew times up on windows as soon as win7 got update to try force me to install win8
12:45 AM Tom_L: roycroft, i'm surprised it didn't tell you to upgrade to 11
12:45 AM xxcoder: 11 have some hardware requirements that im sure his laptop dont have
12:45 AM xxcoder: err workstation I meant
12:46 AM Tom_L: spyware built in the cpu?
12:46 AM xxcoder: not too sure, havent kept up lol
01:15 AM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> test
01:15 AM xxcoder: o/
01:24 AM Deejay: moin
04:56 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:35 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> good morning
05:39 AM Tom_L: morning
05:42 AM Tom_L: 23F high 42F
06:02 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:02 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:11 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> morning, linux rulz 😍 😎 😇
07:11 AM lcnc-relay: <turboss@discord> 🦾
07:12 AM lcnc-relay: <Lcvette> box
07:15 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> meisterdippel@discord have you tested the W5500 driver lately? asking because I tried to get the current riocore working and the network was super flakey, like 99% packet loss. Older revision from March works fine though.
07:15 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> some odd compile msgs but I'm not sure what is "normal", should I create an issue?
07:16 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> which fpga and which toolchain ?
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> for tangnano, please use the gowin toolchain
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> tang 9k, gowin toolchain
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> hmmm, ok
07:19 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> the old checkout is using the 1.9.9 gowin education stuff, the new one 1.9.10
07:19 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> also I think i have a more up to date oss-cad-suite in the new one
07:19 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> no known issues?
07:20 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> no
07:21 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, i'll dig out the logs
07:22 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i use the 1.9.9.03
07:22 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> hmm, maybe a problem with the new gowin toolchain
07:22 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> when i migrated the config i had to fiddle a bit with a few pins that were getting 3.3v setups and messing wiht Bank3
07:23 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> but it didn't look like much else was changed
07:34 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i will try it with the new one, the old one works
07:41 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i made an issue, let me know what other details/questions you may have. no rush, i have something that works, just trying to get the # of debian lcnc boxes down to 1
07:42 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> new one works also with the tangbob board
07:42 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> hmmm, my board is just like the tangbob board
07:42 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> likely user error 😉
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i was wondering why you changed the hal component file name
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> doesn't the module name have to match the file name?
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i was wondering how insmod knows what to load
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> rio.c vs riocomp.c
07:43 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> if they are both named "rio"
07:44 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> you need to install the new rio.c one time:
07:44 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> sudo halcompile --install riocore/files/rio.c
07:44 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> oh, shit
07:45 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> this is new
07:45 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> yes, sorry
07:45 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> the reason is, that halcompile install needs root rights
07:46 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> so what is riocomp.c?
07:47 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> that's why i rebuilt it so that the appropriate component is always loaded when a new configuration is started.
07:47 AM lcnc-relay: rio.c only looks in the config folder for the riocomp.c, compiles it and loads it itself without root rights
07:48 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> https://github.com/multigcs/riocore/blob/dev/riocore/files/rio.c
07:49 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> riocomp.c is the real / generated linuxcnc component that always matching your configuration
07:49 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, cool. but the testgui doesn't care about that right?
07:49 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> yes, the test-gui is pure python
07:50 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, so i don't think this is related to my problem but does make sense....
07:50 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> hmmm, i wonder if some warning about running halcompile on riocomp.c would help provide a clue to the clueless like me
07:50 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> you have also problems with the testgui ?
07:51 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> yes, network crap with testgui
07:52 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> ping -i 0.01 192.168.10.194
07:52 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i could ping it
07:52 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> what is -i 0.01
07:53 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> interval
07:53 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> spicy
07:53 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> I have no idea if this will help, but if you have extreme problems with the network itself you should get errors here
07:54 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> and the ping is only handled by the w5500 chip
07:54 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, i need to fiddle with some wiring and connectors, but for troubleshooting I'm thinking....
07:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> 1. get a venv on the "old" setup with current repo. keep old oss-cad-suite and gowin 1.9.9"beta" and see what happens.
07:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> 2. if that is no problem try that on the "new" box
07:55 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> have you set a non default spi speed or so in the json config ?
07:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> not sure
07:56 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> the config is in the issue, what am I looking for "spi"
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> or "speed"
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> "type": "w5500",
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "pins": {
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "mosi": {
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "pin": "PIN:75"
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: ... long message truncated: https://jauriarts.org/_heisenbridge/media/jauriarts.org/DzzehCapSBreHYLywCkztXYN/p0jOFbkrhRM (18 lines)
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i fiddled with "speed", 10,000,000 and 1,000,000 and here 500,000
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> "speed": {
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "default": 10000000,
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "type": int,
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: "description": "SPI clock",
07:57 AM lcnc-relay: },
07:58 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> 500khz is to low
07:58 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i was troubleshooting
07:58 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> 😉
07:59 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> the old one used a divisor of 5 or something right?
07:59 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i can't remember
07:59 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i believe i used default, there was nothing to fiddle with.
07:59 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> but 1mhz was stable on all tests
08:00 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, i'll fuck with it later. i need to get these connectors wired while I still have the motivation. ( i hate wiring/soldering)
08:00 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> 10Mhz, sorry
08:01 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> where you come from ? i have some tangbob pcb's
08:01 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i'm in seattle
08:02 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> what's postage, i'd love one. I have 3 tang 9ks
08:02 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i have a esp32 grbl setup that I wanted to get moved to LCNC
08:02 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> hmm, ok, too far
08:03 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> your in germany?
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> flat rate box (up to 4lbs) starts at $31 from USPS
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> germany
08:04 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> yikes, i thought small crap was cheaper
08:05 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> found DHL for ~12 euro
08:05 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> actually, this fits into a thicker letter
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i think ordering a new bunch of pcb'S from china are cheaper 🙂
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i mill them
08:06 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> if they are simple enough
08:07 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i found a couple good deals on nsk spindles
08:07 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> they do a great job
08:07 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> air tool change also is very sweet
08:08 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> I have 2, on my project backlog is to make a very small work volume mill just for stuff like PCBs
08:08 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i'll get to it in 5 or 10 years
08:10 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> at pcbway, 10 boards cost 5Euro + shipping 🙂
08:13 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> sure, but by the time it arrives i've lost the motivation and i've surely screwed up the boards somehow
08:14 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> then a year later i get back to it and over the board with bodge wires
08:17 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> you are using pins that also used by the hdmi port, there are filter connected (RC)
08:18 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> what bank?
08:20 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> https://www.multixmedia.org/hdmi-filter.png
08:22 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> if you no longer want to use the HDMI ports, you can take a screwdriver and scrape off the capacitors
08:22 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> shit, i just moved those, havn't tested the encoder yet
08:23 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i had issues with the BOB DIN so i moved
08:23 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> ok, so i have to test now to see, arn't the caps super small?
08:25 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> so just scrape it off, soldering would be too complicated for me 🙂
08:26 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> wait, those are hooked up to the w5500
08:26 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> it seems to work ok though
08:27 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> holy shit, my procrastination is amazing.... I need to just get this new flashed board out to the garage and test it.
09:27 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
09:59 AM rdtsc: Morning. See the bridge is up and working, good job Turboss et. al. "... long message truncated" - nice for IRC ppl :)
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> thnaks!
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> *thanks
10:04 AM JT-Cave: ... long message truncated: yippiee
11:28 AM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> schoch_@discord: which ones you looking at?
11:51 AM Unterhausen: habitat store has a shrink wrapper for all your amazon fraud needs
12:22 PM rdtsc: Shawn Hymel / Digikey has now released 2 of 7 episodes on FreeCAD 1.0; great complete beginner series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VPYTTnqmfs
12:23 PM Tom_L: wonder what interest digikey would have in that
12:23 PM Tom_L: the sell electronics
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> this is advertising for them,
12:27 PM lcnc-relay: the videos are watched and people see that they exist
12:28 PM Tom_L: who hasn't heard about digikey :)
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> tell me what other rio plugins you could install. what do you miss on your mesa boards, for example?
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> * you'd better tell me what other rio plugins you could install. .
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> * i could install.
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> * write.
12:32 PM Tom_L: he left out high end package comparisons but that's kinda to be expected
12:33 PM rdtsc: Siemens and Solidworks are pretty high-end
12:34 PM Tom_L: catia for one
12:34 PM rdtsc: not the "Tom Evans MasterGroove 25000-pound preamp" kind of high-end, but... :)
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i ask google: Features for CNC controllers include alarms and event monitoring, diskette or floppy storage, tape storage, zip ... hmm , should i add an floppy controller 😂
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i use openscad 😎
12:35 PM Tom_L: i'd lean more toward thumb drive or sd
12:36 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> my linuxcnc computer already has it built in
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> probably TMC spi/uart stepper config
01:05 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> you have most things already, more than other controllers
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> does your spi thing have rpi5 support?
01:22 PM Tom_L: that's a driver issue
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> an RIO driver thing though
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> i guess the other thing would be, support sserial, so you can use mesa breakout cards
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> hmm when you say "R-I-O" like the letters, i want to say "an R-I-O" but when i think "RIO" like the place i wanna say " a RIO"
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> yes sserial woud be nice, but have no hardware for testen.
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> i would also have one or two ideas, but i'm too stupid for that, my knowledge of verilog isn't the best 😦
01:37 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> should already bein the mesa sourch, whats that? vhld?
01:38 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> i think most sserial things are loaded on a pic-something, if you need to recreate it
01:38 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> there are one guy on youtube with working RPI5 SPI setup, but i don't know if it is realy realtime proofed
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> yeah, BAS uploaded the new driver based on rp1 and dw spi driver
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> we got it on remora aswell
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> yes, mesa is vhld, i found an arduino lib for sserial but even that i can not test
01:40 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> just sayin, its slick. i like it, and wish it was on remora
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> ive found that most people dont even use half the slick features though unless theres an existing hardware platform
01:42 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> https://github.com/fdarling/mesa-smartserial-device-template
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> yeah, ive been looking at the stmbl for my ref on sm32, but i dont know how to microcontroller so it doesnt matter
01:43 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> majority of cnc guys are just using stepgen, io/out, rs485/analog
01:44 PM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel@discord> yes, mesa is vhdl, i found an arduino lib for sserial but even that i can not test
02:07 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> big_kevin420@discord i have a 2 NR-50 5150. one has the high speed motor, the other one I'm driving with a shitty chinese 800w 24k spindle
02:10 PM rdtsc: wondering (out loud) if that 24k could be brought down to 2.4k using a 10:1 ring gear
02:11 PM xxcoder: keep attention to runout but yeah could be done I think
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> oh, i also have a NR40-5100
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> forgot about that one
02:11 PM xxcoder: or belt gearing
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> why would I reduce the speed?
02:12 PM xxcoder: more torque
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> it maxes out at 1/4"
02:12 PM xxcoder: thats why I think belt setup is better, you can alter from 1:1 to whatever
02:12 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> I'm direct driving it and it is very smooth/quiet
02:12 PM rdtsc: would a belt survive 24k? heheh
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> the high speed motor is 50k
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i don't have the NSK driver but I was able to drive it with a regular BLDC driver.
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> are you using the nsk dtriver
02:13 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> oh ok
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> not sure how fast I can make it go.
02:14 PM xxcoder: thats cool
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> ohhh send me deets on that]yuou have the 3060 motor?
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i think it is the 3060.... i made a video on figuring out the pins
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> ok sick, i would apperciate more details on that
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> but its maxing out at 24k with the bldc driver?
02:15 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> https://youtu.be/x7vCYUjlKhc
02:15 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> driving it with hall or no>
02:15 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> it has hall, i think i drove it sensorless but I don't remember
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> i really dont wanna hack up my connector though
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> $$$ connector
02:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> i also have the 5150, been looking at the 3060aqc
02:18 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> the drivers are also $$
02:18 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> nsk spindles are so smooth though
02:18 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> and easy tool changes.
02:19 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> though the collets hurt
02:19 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i have a few spare 4mm collets if you ever need one I could let it go for a good price
02:19 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> i found 4 for like $30 or something crazy
02:20 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_@discord> er, 3 for 22.30! they are 110 each new.
04:35 PM Unterhausen: local sports ball team won their game so I came up out of the basement
04:37 PM Tom_L: good thing.. we wouldn't want you stuck in there forever
04:38 PM Tom_L: kid came out of his room when the Chiefs won too
04:43 PM Unterhausen: I don't know, there's plenty of beer and unfinished projects down there.
04:47 PM xxcoder: yay watching blondia ax
05:02 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420@discord> schoch_@discord: yeah, i found the drivers for a little more than the cables, thankfully they came with the cables, so i got 2, but yeah the spindles are primo. the chk collets are pricy and i thought i would be fine with just 1/8/ 3mm, but its looking like most wide range of endmills are 4mm
05:35 PM * roycroft is back from running all over town to find parts
05:36 PM roycroft: i think i have everything i need now, but it's less than an hour from sundown and it's raining really hard
05:36 PM roycroft: so i'll likely wait until morning to start doing the work
05:37 PM xxcoder: fun
05:50 PM roycroft: at least it's progress
05:51 PM roycroft: also progress on making my wallet thinner - almost $500 more today for the pars
05:51 PM roycroft: i stopped by the old shop
05:51 PM roycroft: the good news is that i found some jack stands that i did not see last time i was there, so i can put the whole front end up on jack stands now if i want
05:52 PM roycroft: the bad news is that someone has broken into the old shop, and the bottom of the door is destroyed
05:52 PM roycroft: the not so bad news is that nothing was stolen
05:52 PM roycroft: but i really need to get my stuff out of there asap
05:53 PM roycroft: i put no trespassing signs up all over the property, let the old neighbors know that this the second time this has happened, and let the cops know about it as well
05:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Legos made it to the farm..
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Huh.. I can't upload pictures
05:59 PM xxcoder: yeah thats part of fix. you can paste url though. you can upload it in meta or something then copy url from full size view
06:00 PM xxcoder: we are still slowly working on trying to stop discord bot from sending links twice and 404 errors
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> Ah
06:00 PM xxcoder: actually let me set file upload / embed to allowed in off topic a sec
06:01 PM xxcoder: ok you should be able to paste image there then click on image and get url from "orginal image"
06:01 PM xxcoder: er I meant "open in browser"
06:02 PM xxcoder: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970073761770512384/1319397720133206109/bdfc181f05ca3b50cbae89a5d9e41f0354ae8af7_hq-584817895.jpg?ex=67687361&is=676721e1&hm=f35ff623e3096d49aa3e309a295ab0b32d79f65c5d0b11beace4e306d4986b97& example
06:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> https://photos.app.goo.gl/EWhpvY9AXwMTNu7C9
06:03 PM roycroft: xxcoder's url is way too long
06:04 PM xxcoder: thats standard discord image link yeah. cant trim it at all
06:04 PM xxcoder: its alternate if someone has no site to upload to otherwise
06:04 PM roycroft: my irc client has an irritating feature - whenever a line is split because it's over 80 characters long, the continuation lines all begin with a leading "+"
06:04 PM roycroft: if i cut and paste i have to edit the extra + characters out
06:04 PM roycroft: which is why i rarely visit a long url
06:05 PM xxcoder: what client? it should be able to be set length. mine is full 256 supported by irc protocol
06:05 PM roycroft: ircII
06:05 PM xxcoder: hexchat for me
06:05 PM xxcoder: anyway thats cool image skunkworks
06:06 PM roycroft: i keep meaning to use a more modern client - i've been using ircII since 1992 - but i just can't be bothered to learn another client interface and scripting language
06:06 PM roycroft: skunkworks' link works fine :)
06:06 PM roycroft: other than "wow, that's a lot of legos and stuff"
06:06 PM xxcoder: lol ok. yeah been using xchat before hexchat
06:07 PM xxcoder: working hard to try get my home below 40% RH
06:07 PM roycroft: ignite your dining room table
06:07 PM roycroft: that should dry things out quickly
06:08 PM roycroft: until the roof burns down, and then it gets really wet
06:08 PM xxcoder: I just hope someone takes over hexchat dev, ting retired from it
06:08 PM xxcoder: lol no thanks
06:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> I think I normally use irssi
06:09 PM roycroft: so i was able to buy just one locking hub, but it was $283
06:09 PM roycroft: it's the only one that appears to fit my particular setup
06:09 PM roycroft: except another almost identical one for $200 more
06:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841@discord> I think dad switched his truck to locking hubs
06:10 PM * roycroft hopes he has everything, both for the sake of not spending more money and the sake of not having to make another trip into town for this project
06:10 PM roycroft: my pickup came with automatic hubs
06:11 PM roycroft: but when i got it it had manual locking hubs
06:11 PM roycroft: i am not sure if ford put those on in case the automatic system failed or not
06:11 PM roycroft: the one i got today looks almost identical to the one i removed, and it's a dormann
06:12 PM roycroft: dormann claim to make "better than oem quality" parts (debatable - depending on the part), and try to make their parts look as close to the oem ones as possible
06:14 PM roycroft: i wish i could find my other jack stands - i'd like to put the entire vehicle up on stands so i can check the 4wd functionality before i drive it
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> could always pull the rear driveshaft
06:16 PM roycroft: yeah
06:16 PM roycroft: but i'd rather not
06:16 PM roycroft: i do not like working on vehicles
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> also, i hate auto hubs.....
06:16 PM roycroft: well mine have not worked since i bought the vehicle
06:17 PM roycroft: and the vacuum pump also does not work
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> either manual hubs, or just spin the front axle full time
06:17 PM roycroft: which happens when the vacuum lines to the auto hubs leak
06:17 PM roycroft: the problem is that the vacuum pump also controls the hvac system
06:17 PM roycroft: if there is no vacuum then the blower is in defrost mode and cannot be changed
06:18 PM roycroft: my truck has the 7.3l powerstroke engine, so no engine vacuum
06:18 PM roycroft: it all comes from an ancillary vacuum pump
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> familiar with the 7.3's
06:18 PM roycroft: it's the main reason i bought the vehicle
06:18 PM roycroft: it's arguably the best small diesel engine ever made
06:18 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> yep, good motor design
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> i like the 6.5TD from gm/detroit as well
06:19 PM roycroft: the truck has ~375k miles on it now, so the engine is fully broken in
06:19 PM roycroft: and should be good for another half million miles
06:19 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> at this age, keep a spare injector pump on the shelf though, or you won't find one when you need it
06:19 PM roycroft: the rest of the truck is showing minor signs of age, though
06:20 PM roycroft: good idea, but that's a very expensive pump to just keep a spare
06:20 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> refurb DB2 is about $500
06:21 PM roycroft: new is $1200
06:21 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> full set of injectors with a pump is about $800
06:21 PM roycroft: but even $500 is expensive to just sit on the shelf
06:21 PM roycroft: keep in mind that once i'm finished moving, and i'm almost finished, i'll go back to hopefully putting around 1500 miles/year on the vehicle
06:21 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> balance that if you plan on keeping the truck for another 10 years. there will not be any left to rebuild by then.
06:22 PM roycroft: although that may end up being more like 3000 miles now that i live an hour out of town
06:22 PM roycroft: in another 10 years if the injector pump dies it might just be time for me to get rid of the vehicle
06:22 PM roycroft: i'll be almost too old to drive it by then anyway
06:23 PM roycroft: i might have a hard time just climbing up into the cab in 10 years
06:23 PM xxcoder: fun of getting old eh
06:23 PM roycroft: i'm just being real
06:23 PM roycroft: my capabilities will change
06:23 PM roycroft: and so must my aspirations and expectations
06:24 PM roycroft: the injectors and glow plugs were all replaced right before i bought the truck
06:24 PM roycroft: i have a copy of the work order and invoice for that
06:25 PM roycroft: but on cold days the engine is hard to start
06:25 PM xxcoder: it should last quite a whule
06:25 PM roycroft: and i can tell that at least a couple cylinders are not firing at first
06:25 PM roycroft: so a couple of the new glow plugs are not working, or there's a wiring fault
06:26 PM xxcoder: cold only fault? wonder if its internal wire break
06:26 PM xxcoder: cold being cause of futher seperation
06:26 PM roycroft: yes, cold only
06:26 PM roycroft: but the glow plugs are only used when starting the vehicle
06:26 PM roycroft: and in the summer they are not necessary
06:27 PM xxcoder: interesting
06:27 PM roycroft: usually when it does that i can idle it on 5-6 cylinders for a few seconds and then the others kick in
06:27 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> not true on indirect injection diesels
06:27 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> they need plugs if ambient air is less than about 80F
06:27 PM roycroft: i guess running a few cylinders warms up the block enough that the others finally sart working
06:27 PM roycroft: the powerstroke is, i'm certain, not an indirect injection engine
06:28 PM roycroft: it sounds too much like a classical diesel engine to be indirect injection
06:28 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> betting those cylinders have worn tips on the injectors, so not a good mist
06:28 PM roycroft: my tdi new beetle was indirect injection, though
06:28 PM roycroft: and it sounded much like a gasoline engine
06:28 PM roycroft: people would not know it's a diesel unless they asked or they smelled the french fry exhaust
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> just looked it up. 7.3 is direct injection
06:29 PM roycroft: yup
06:29 PM roycroft: i did not have to look it up
06:29 PM roycroft: my ears still work :)
06:29 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> my money would be on either leaking piston rings or worn tips on the injectors
06:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> rings you can test with leak down test
06:30 PM roycroft: since it only happens on really cold days, i figure it's glow plugs not working right
06:30 PM roycroft: after a few seconds the other cylinders fire, and it runs smoothly
06:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> for those, just test resistance
06:30 PM roycroft: well, as smoothly as a direct injection diesel engine can run
06:30 PM roycroft: and after it's warmed up it starts up easily
06:30 PM roycroft: to me it has every sign of being bad glow plugs
06:32 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> pulling a drooping glow plug, is a royal pita, hope you don't have that on your hands
06:35 PM roycroft: i should check the warranty on them
06:35 PM roycroft: as i said, they were replaced right before i bought the vehicle
06:35 PM roycroft: about 2-1/2 years ago
06:35 PM roycroft: if they have a 3 year warranty it would be good to figure out of any of them are bad pretty soon
06:37 PM roycroft: looks like president-select musk's honeymoon with the gop congress is over before his unofficial term of office begins
06:44 PM roycroft: anyway, tonight is longest night
06:44 PM roycroft: so the days will be getting longer starting tomorrow!
06:44 PM xxcoder: the deep dark
06:44 PM xxcoder: nice
06:44 PM * roycroft needs to make plans for all the extra daylight he'll be enjoying going forward
06:44 PM roycroft: i think i get an extra 2 seconds of light tomorrow!
06:45 PM xxcoder: wow whats your plan with that ample time
06:45 PM roycroft: i might be able to sneak in an extra heart beat
06:45 PM roycroft: or maybe even most of a breath
06:45 PM xxcoder: 🎉
06:45 PM roycroft: it's already past sundown here
06:46 PM roycroft: and it's getting pretty dark already
06:48 PM xxcoder: yep
06:50 PM roycroft: keep in mind that we have a 1300m mountain not far to the west of here
06:51 PM roycroft: the sun sets about a half hour before astronical sunset because of that
06:51 PM roycroft: astronomical, rather
06:51 PM xxcoder: yeah, though im hours north of you, so its pretty dark here alreadu also
06:51 PM xxcoder: sky is quite dark now
06:51 PM roycroft: yes, you have the north thing
06:51 PM roycroft: but i'm also east of you
06:52 PM xxcoder: true lol
06:52 PM roycroft: so that makes sunset a few minutes earlier
06:52 PM roycroft: because we're not on railroad time
06:52 PM roycroft: that's something that the musk administration claims to be ready to do right away - eliminate daylight saving time
06:53 PM xxcoder: setting time to sunrise was pretty nice, but it wasnt quite convient for more far off locations
06:53 PM roycroft: i would not mind that, but i think it's going to take an act of congress, not an executive order
06:53 PM xxcoder: I think id like perment savings better, but then either is good, no more annoying time changes
06:53 PM roycroft: either way is fine with me
06:53 PM roycroft: i just don't want to go flipping back and forth
06:54 PM lcnc-relay: <ccatlett1984@discord> i vote for killing timezones, just use UTC 😄
06:54 PM roycroft: when oregon/washington/california were working on it we were going for year-round standard time, because states can opt out of daylight saving time
06:55 PM roycroft: but year-round daylight saving time would require an act of congress
06:55 PM xxcoder: yep. COW all voted for ither elimation or perment
06:58 PM roycroft: i am pondering whether to go into the shop and work on dismantling the old axle shaft tonight or waiting until morning for all of the job
06:59 PM roycroft: i'm hoping to reuse the u-joint, so i can return the new one that i bought
06:59 PM roycroft: it seems to be in really good condition - moves very easily, but zero slop
06:59 PM roycroft: my benchtop anvil and arbor press are in the car, though, and the shop is a mess
06:59 PM roycroft: it may be too ambitious a project for tonight
07:00 PM Tom_L: does it have a grease zerk?
07:00 PM * roycroft gets unmotivated when the sun goes down
07:00 PM roycroft: no
07:00 PM xxcoder: sun powered roy
07:00 PM roycroft: i really am
07:00 PM roycroft: even when i'm working indoors in the shop, if the sun is still out i have energy
07:00 PM roycroft: if it's dark outside i don't
07:01 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/F350/F350_Front_Axle_4.jpeg
07:02 PM roycroft: it's dirty, and the caps are a little banged up, but i think that happened when the bearings failed
07:02 PM roycroft: i want to get it out and inspect it
07:02 PM roycroft: and probably rebuild it if it looks to be in good shape
07:03 PM roycroft: rebuild with the existing parts that is
07:03 PM roycroft: and if any look worn i'll just install the new one
07:03 PM roycroft: i think i paid $65 for it, so it's enough money to be worth giving a clean and repack a go
07:04 PM roycroft: but if it fails down the road it could be another several hundred dollar repair, some downtime, and a pain in the butt
07:10 PM Tom_L: seems like an opportune time to change it
07:19 PM roycroft: i'll see how the old one looks
07:19 PM roycroft: this entire repair is out of budget
07:20 PM * roycroft thinks he'll do some cad work tonight, and maybe start getting the laundry room ready for the sink
07:20 PM roycroft: when i opened the front door and it was dark outside i became completely unmotivated to go work in the shop
08:53 PM Tom_L: is there a way to switch freecad cam to imperial?
08:53 PM xxcoder: maybe units settings in setting?
08:55 PM Tom_L: i think that's been an issue from day one
08:57 PM Tom_L: need a different post
10:04 PM Tom_L: freecad lacks a concentric constraint :/
10:04 PM Tom_L: very basic constraint
10:05 PM xxcoder: https://forum.freecad.org/viewtopic.php?t=72241
10:05 PM xxcoder: interesting
10:07 PM Tom_L: i read that already
10:08 PM xxcoder: ok. I found it interesting though :) yeah dont know'
10:09 PM xxcoder: I dont model professionally so I honestly dont have stance on this lol
10:10 PM Tom_L: draw a circle on a plane. punch a hole. edit the sketch circle diameter. the hole doesn't update
10:10 PM Tom_L: you have to edit the hole dimensions separate from the sketch it originated form
10:10 PM Tom_L: from
10:11 PM xxcoder: dont that just need a recalc?
10:11 PM Tom_L: it should be automatic
10:12 PM Tom_L: where do you do the recalc?
10:12 PM xxcoder: in sketch top right after you alter stuff
10:12 PM xxcoder: and model current viewed right click menu
10:12 PM xxcoder: it should show some kinda icon by it if it havent updated
10:13 PM xxcoder: "Right-click project in model tree view, and pick "Mark to recompute" from context menu. After that, press Recompute button.)" according to google
10:17 PM Tom_L: i'm not finding any button
10:17 PM xxcoder: sorry my memory is bit vague now. havent used freecad for bit over a year
10:17 PM xxcoder: or was it 2
10:19 PM Tom_L: i hit recompute object on both the sketch and the solid and nothing happened
10:19 PM xxcoder: hmm odd. not sure. sorry cant help much better than this
10:19 PM Tom_L: that's the whole point of a sketch
10:20 PM xxcoder: any log message?
10:21 PM xxcoder: sometimes it wont update if theres some sort error
10:24 PM Tom_L: i just thought i'd take another peek at it since it's release. i admit it's come a long ways from the last time i looked but it's got a long ways to go
10:25 PM xxcoder: yeah, and probably always will. cad and cam is very complex
10:26 PM xxcoder: finally merging in realthunder helped a lot, and ui is being worked on to make better sense
10:26 PM Tom_L: the hole is attached to the sketch because if i try to delete the sketch it warns me
10:26 PM Tom_L: but
10:26 PM Tom_L: it won't update with it
10:37 PM NetPipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqr7pR3jQws
10:38 PM xxcoder: yeah dont think I will click, after your last one in reprap lol