#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 17 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:57 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel> moin
02:04 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram> Hello
03:44 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> hello, good morning
04:05 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:15 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel> wish you all the best
06:15 AM Tom_L: i got rid of a bunch of pics there. the links may go nowhere
06:23 AM JT-Cave: looks like some kind of small animal is sleeping in a chair under the carport
06:25 AM Tom_L: huh
06:25 AM Tom_L: headin out early today
06:28 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:32 AM JT-Cave: it was a black plastic bag lol
06:33 AM Tom_L: :)
06:33 AM Tom_L: later
06:34 AM * JT-Cave heads out for a ride
07:09 AM rdtsc-wk: on the bench today: a GOT2000 HMI, Micrologix 1500 chassis, Panelview 600, and a BK Precision power supply (at least)
07:12 AM lcnc-relay: <meisterdippel> sounds like a lot of toys, but i wouldn't know what to do with them
07:15 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram> do you repair them as a job?
07:29 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/SMCmOasjCNgZVijxoURaPpRi/Screenshot_2024-09-15-10-18-29-938_fr.png
07:29 AM rdtsc-wk: yep. The mitsubishi GOT2000 is a fun one... complaint is touch-error, but they've placed a button in the top-right corner, preventing getting into the menu
07:29 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram> i'm still hesitating with this
07:29 AM lcnc-relay: <vibram> 300€ but no card for the reading
08:48 AM JT-Shop: rdtsc-wk, that brings back memories of communication hell trying to hook up to AB stuff
11:39 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Hmm
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> dad's getting yet another blood transfusion... if it was not for blood donors, he would likely be dead by now. his body stopped making red blood cells. 😦
12:57 PM xxcoder: sucks. marrow died?
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> dunno, stopped making the horemoan that triggers blood making
01:15 PM rdtsc-wk: wonder if there is a therapy for that
01:15 PM rdtsc-wk: or a replacement hormone he can take
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> they are giving him the horemoan, but it isn't helping
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> on the plus side, my correct VFD brake resistor JUST hit DHL shipping in NJ 🙂
01:22 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> they must have installed NOS on the slow-boat from china 😉
01:23 PM xxcoder: fun. I feel that they lost my item shipping lol
01:23 PM xxcoder: trailer dolly
01:23 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> dang, that sucks
01:24 PM xxcoder: yeah, if its lost for good, I hope I get refund. its pretty expensive
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> paypal?
01:24 PM xxcoder: yeah
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> "should" be safe
01:38 PM JT-Shop: might be a time limit
01:45 PM xxcoder: yeah usually a month
01:45 PM xxcoder: plenty of time
01:45 PM xxcoder: should have arrived yeserday
02:20 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what was the copy errors fix?
02:21 PM Tom_L: oh..
02:43 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> i just now discovered that winblows 10 supports multiple independent desktops, like Linux! 😮
02:43 PM xxcoder: wow welcome to 90s windows
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> LMAO
02:46 PM * JT-Woodshop was very surprised how easy the LF caliper R&R was
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> my car's rear pads and rotors still need doing...
02:53 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> that car was a waste of $3k... can't drive it due to the brakes and transmission issue...
02:56 PM xxcoder: its why I bought newish car at 20k few years ago. its been very reliable across 8 years or so?
02:57 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> i don't, nor will i ever have enough money for a $20k car...
03:02 PM * rdtsc-wk imagines the headlines: Inventor of next big thing: Travis Farmer - a rags-to-riches story
03:10 PM lcnc-relay: <Travis Farmer> rags to coffin more like it
03:23 PM Rab: Windows did have virtual desktops in the 1990s, I think it was third party software for like the Matrox Millennium video cards.
03:25 PM Rab: I still felt smug because even at that time Linux/X11 could theoretically support some very large number of virtual desktops, like 2048.
03:27 PM Rab: Multihead was out of my budget, and required exotic video cards, but was also possible as well.
03:45 PM Rab: (On both Windows and Linux)
03:48 PM xxcoder: travis definitelt needed a job. I had it back then so I could afford
04:01 PM rdtsc-wk: Oh the good 'ol Matrox cards... back when video cards was more about video and less about gaming frames/sec
04:21 PM * JT-Shop keeps forgetting to deduct the 2% from mcmaster invoices...
04:25 PM * JT-Shop is whipped out
04:31 PM Tom_L: brakes done?
04:32 PM JT-Shop: yup, just need to park on a hill nose down and finish bleeding the master cylinder
04:32 PM Tom_L: gonna upload that blue stylesheet in a bit
04:33 PM JT-Shop: if the mc is down in the front any bubbles left will come out the holes in the reservoir
04:33 PM JT-Shop: cool, it looks nice
04:33 PM Tom_L: i kinda liked that one
04:35 PM JT-Shop: I think I'll take the front wheels to the car wash as they are pretty nasty on the inside
04:36 PM Tom_L: sometimes wish i had a pressure washer
04:36 PM Tom_L: no room to store one though
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I have one but the mess from cleaning wheels...
04:37 PM JT-Shop: and it's electric start :)
04:38 PM JT-Shop: maybe I should use the wheel cleaner stuff and the pressure washer...
04:38 PM Tom_L: you probably need it being on a dirt road at the end of a dead end dirt road
04:38 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:39 PM Tom_L: i was way out today and my god it was dusty
04:39 PM Tom_L: they don't have water in that part of the state so it was really dry
04:39 PM Tom_L: they have to haul truckloads of water in just to keep the cattle alive
04:39 PM JT-Shop: damn that's dry
04:40 PM Tom_L: they're still waiting to plant the winter wheat since it's been so dry
04:41 PM Tom_L: too hot out there or i'd go run a few tests
04:42 PM Tom_L: close to Ok so the dust was red
04:43 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't be a bit surprised if that was where the dust bowl started
04:43 PM JT-Shop: not too bad here only 88°F
04:43 PM JT-Shop: nice morning temps near 60 or a tad below
04:43 PM Tom_L: 89 but i'm too pooped to go out there
04:44 PM Tom_L: need to rewire the probe stuff.. i should have used that white jacked wiring.. it has 3 cond
04:44 PM Tom_L: the orange only had 2
04:46 PM JT-Shop: working on clearing out the FIXME's
04:47 PM Tom_L: saw that one
04:48 PM Tom_L: hah i found a wire with a 3 cond receptacle on the end. too bad the other end is on the probe i can't find
04:49 PM Tom_L: seems i've been down this road once already
04:52 PM JT-Shop: so my buddy from Empire called today and asked if I got the 50% payment yet and I said you'll be the second to know lol
04:52 PM JT-Shop: I'm in no hurry to start that job lol
04:54 PM Tom_L: that might tie you up from fun things
04:58 PM Tom_L: found a brand new box of 10 cond ribbon cable i swore i had and couldn't find
04:58 PM Tom_L: used to make these: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/boards/new_batch/cables2.jpg
04:58 PM Tom_L: cut 4 cond off
04:59 PM Tom_L: running out of places to search though
05:05 PM Tom_L: PR #87 for qss file
05:05 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:05 PM Tom_L: pointed the ini to it too
05:07 PM Tom_L: i may not be using all those settings.. i need to go back in and check
05:07 PM Tom_L: i was at one point but had some issues
05:12 PM Tom_L: wonder why the ini section shows both MIN_VELOCITY and MIN_LINEAR_VELOCITY when they're the same thing
05:12 PM Tom_L: [DISPLAY]
05:13 PM JT-Shop: a lot of things are duplicated as Chris creates his GUI's
05:14 PM JT-Shop: and once you create an ini thing it's stuck
05:15 PM Tom_L: right now it ignores the MIN_VELOCITY one
05:15 PM JT-Shop: it?
05:15 PM Tom_L: lcnc
05:16 PM JT-Shop: they are gui specific
05:16 PM Tom_L: i changed them both and commented them out one at a time
05:16 PM JT-Shop: just depends on the gui
05:16 PM Tom_L: mmm
05:16 PM Tom_L: there are rules!
05:16 PM JT-Shop: very few ini things are required by emc
05:17 PM Tom_L: same way with axis and joint
05:17 PM JT-Shop: joint is emc
05:50 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:50 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
05:58 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> JT-Shop: hey, a friend is trying to make a simple single axis motion thing, to move a welding head along about 2 meters. He bought a stepper and drive. do ya think that could be done with a mesa card, without linuxcnc ???
06:00 PM bjorkintosh: without???
06:00 PM xxcoder: you still need controller software of some sort. not sure why linuxcnc is unwanted
06:00 PM bjorkintosh: might as well just give up and use his hands!!
06:00 PM Tom_L: grbl
06:01 PM Tom_L: you could use lcnc parport for a single axis
06:02 PM Tom_L: for a standalone unit, grbl and an lcd with a few buttons
06:05 PM bjorkintosh: roguish, is your friend trying to do something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpt2p8hZ3s
06:05 PM bjorkintosh: a linear track welder?
06:06 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> sort of
06:17 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> thanks guys, for the comments.....and ideas
06:38 PM * roycroft just pulled another temporary power drop to the new shop, and now considers the shop suitable for doing work, other than not having the air compressor and dust extractor installed yet
06:38 PM roycroft: i had a single 120v drop that was for both lights and machines, and, well, you know how bad an idea that is
06:39 PM roycroft: so now lights are isolated from anything that draws significant current
06:39 PM xxcoder: how much would it be to add power mains wire to a garage?
06:39 PM roycroft: it's going to cost a bit, but i'm holding off until i build the extension to the garage
06:40 PM roycroft: well, it's not a garage any more, since the garage door is gone
06:40 PM roycroft: but anyway
06:40 PM xxcoder: yeah I want to do it to garage here and was wondering
06:40 PM roycroft: the mains panel is going to be in the extension
06:40 PM roycroft: so i'm waiting
06:40 PM roycroft: is the garage attached to the building where the power comes in?
06:41 PM xxcoder: no
06:41 PM roycroft: so there's a big part of the cost
06:41 PM roycroft: and i don't know your property, nor your local building code
06:42 PM roycroft: my temporary drops are overhead, and only about 4m long overhead
06:42 PM xxcoder: yea was just wondering on rough price range
06:42 PM roycroft: but when i do the subpanel, i'll underground it
06:42 PM xxcoder: so I know if contractor would be fair
06:42 PM roycroft: if you're going to go underground, figure $20/foot as a rough estimate for materials
06:43 PM roycroft: but it could be $100/foot for the trenching and other work
06:43 PM roycroft: that's just to get to the garage
06:43 PM roycroft: add $2k for the sub-panel in the garage
06:43 PM roycroft: parts and labor
06:44 PM roycroft: and for the wiring, i'd do it myself
06:44 PM xxcoder: so roughly 5k would be enough?
06:44 PM roycroft: maybe, to get the sub panel installed and powered up
06:44 PM xxcoder: ok thanks
06:44 PM roycroft: that's a really rough number
06:45 PM Tom_L: how many amps are you running to yours?
06:45 PM roycroft: me?
06:45 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:45 PM roycroft: the temporary drops are 240v/30a, 120v/20a (for machines), and 120v/15a (for lights)
06:46 PM Tom_L: to the sub pannek
06:46 PM roycroft: when i do the permanent power to the building i'm planning on 100a
06:46 PM Tom_L: pannel
06:46 PM Tom_L: separate service line?
06:46 PM roycroft: no - i'll bring it from the house
06:46 PM roycroft: which has a 200a panel
06:47 PM roycroft: i'll tend to not use a lot of power in the house when i'm working in the shop, and vice versa
06:47 PM roycroft: i think that will work out ok
06:47 PM Tom_L: i ran 60 to the garage way back when and i've never had an issue
06:48 PM roycroft: well i need a welding circuit, and that's 50a
06:48 PM Tom_L: i don't weld when the 5hp compressor is running etc
06:48 PM roycroft: and i need lights while i'm welding
06:48 PM roycroft: i thought about 60a
06:48 PM roycroft: but 100a is not much more expensive to pull
06:48 PM roycroft: it's way more work getting the wires into the main panel
06:48 PM Tom_L: plus i had the wire
06:48 PM roycroft: yeah, and i don't
06:49 PM Tom_L: so that was a deciding factor too
06:49 PM roycroft: i do have a 100' 6ga extension cord, though
06:49 PM roycroft: so another option would be to pull 50a or 60a to the shop
06:49 PM Tom_L: what's 6ga good for?
06:49 PM Tom_L: i don't remember
06:49 PM roycroft: and add a 50a eircuit to the house
06:49 PM roycroft: it's good for 50a
06:49 PM roycroft: 8ga for 60a
06:49 PM roycroft: er, 4ga for 60a
06:50 PM Tom_L: was gonna say...
06:50 PM roycroft: in the old house i did my welding in the fabrication shop, which only ever had temporary power
06:50 PM roycroft: it's on a separate tax lot than the house
06:50 PM roycroft: and there's no way i could get a permit to drop power to it - the building is not even close to code
06:50 PM xxcoder: roy yeah, didnt expect detailed pricing lol just rough idea. thanks again! :)
06:51 PM roycroft: so i pulled overhead drops with soow wire, like i am doing here
06:51 PM roycroft: i put a 50a circuit in the garage shop for the welding gear
06:51 PM roycroft: and used the 6ga extension cord whenever i need to weld
06:51 PM roycroft: i store the extension cord on a metal hose reel that has big fat tires
06:52 PM roycroft: it's too heavy to carry around
06:52 PM roycroft: i got the wire for $150 - home depot had a spool of it on clearance
06:53 PM roycroft: i think it's about $500 now
06:53 PM roycroft: oh, only $439
06:53 PM roycroft: still, that's almost triple what i paid for it
06:54 PM roycroft: i bought it pre-pandemic, so comparisons are not really valid
06:55 PM roycroft: anyway, i'm happy the power drops are done
06:56 PM roycroft: i still have some inside wiring to do, all temporary still
06:56 PM roycroft: but i have power and extension cords - everything in the shop can be powered up and used now
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Neat!
06:56 PM roycroft: and i'm ready to start work on the lean-to shed that will house the compressor and dust extractor
06:56 PM roycroft: so i should have those working soon
06:57 PM * roycroft has not done any real woodworking all year :(
06:57 PM roycroft: i've used my table saw twice since i moved
06:57 PM xxcoder: wow thats twice more than how often I used mine lol
06:58 PM roycroft: i am really looking forward to spending quality time in the shop
06:58 PM roycroft: yeah, but i used to use it every ay
06:58 PM roycroft: day
07:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I am not into wood working yet.. Only the minimum to get things done..
07:02 PM roycroft: i'm getting ready to start making some shaker oval boxes
07:02 PM roycroft: something i've wanted to do for a long time
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/cvXnyXiEznfqNbsriHfMXtom/PXL_20240831_153057196.jpg
07:03 PM roycroft: i think it will be really fun, and there's a market for them
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> That pile of wood has been there since I was a kid..
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> trying to clean out that building so I can put tractors in for the winter
07:03 PM roycroft: it's a nice pile of wood
07:04 PM roycroft: it looks like several species, probably mostly hardwoods
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Stuff from the land here.. So probably oak, hicory and such
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> cotton wood - popler
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> basswood - I know dad had given me some to make boomerangs out of..
07:06 PM roycroft: i use basswood for my japanese lamps
07:06 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> dad made some cotton wood benches and book shelves.. Very pretty...
07:07 PM roycroft: i don't like cottonwood
07:07 PM roycroft: it's soft, and gets punky really fast
07:07 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> it changes shape - a lot.. lol
07:07 PM roycroft: and it doesn't even burn well
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> we have cotton wood - poplar - grow like weed trees here.
07:08 PM roycroft: poplar is fairly unattractive, but it is stable, easy to work with both hand tools and machines, and inexpensive
07:08 PM roycroft: i use it a lot as secondary wood and for painted things
07:08 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> sure
07:08 PM roycroft: poplar does grow like weeds
07:09 PM roycroft: it used to be very popular in suburban housing tracts, where they would clear cut the land, build all the houses, then plant trees
07:09 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I milled a bunch for framing lumber.. It is a bit squirrely when it dries....
07:09 PM roycroft: poplar and crab apple were very popular for that because you could almost watch them grow
07:10 PM roycroft: poplar is also great for wind breaks at property lines
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> yes - we lost a lot of poplar trees when we had a big wind storm 15 years ago - but now - you wouldn't know it
07:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/LBbqBlrmkzdlxRzEtujbuAKt/PXL_20240918_000545456.jpg
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> moms weaving bench
07:33 PM roycroft: nice bench
07:36 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
07:38 PM lcnc-relay: <onceloved.cn> Good morning
08:04 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> I have a closet that looks like this
08:05 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Ribboney