#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 14 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:02 AM mrec: did linuxcnc upgrade from buster?
12:14 AM mrec: I'm trying to compile the latest git version of linuxcnc and it would like to have gcc 9 it seems
12:16 AM pcw--home: You need the index for things like threading
12:16 AM mrec: ok upgrading linuxcnc to bookworm
12:22 AM pcw--home: The 7I96S encoder pinout is shown on page 9 of the 7I96S manual (TB2 pinout pin 7..14)
12:23 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ohhhhh Okay I understand,so IDX is the Z
12:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and this is a super dumb question but how do you know which one is pin 1
12:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> like what board orientation and numbering does it go by
12:24 AM xxcoder: usually in rows theres 1 mark on one end
12:24 AM xxcoder: or a dot
12:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/PTQZOmcrzrZilzYUHzYZZkXi/image.png
12:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> are pins at the bottom of this board in this orientation usually are "pin 1"
12:24 AM xxcoder: would need to read board docs for that
12:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok
12:25 AM pcw--home: 7I96S manual page 5 shows the TB pin 1s
12:30 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yep jsut saw that
12:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> so the blac squares mean its pin1, so it goes bottom to top with ascending numbers
12:33 AM Deejay: moin
12:34 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> thank you so much for helping me with this , I am sure my questions are annoying, I do feel myself slowly getting the hang of this. I work in the medical field so not much experience with setting up machines like this
12:35 AM xxcoder: meh I was as annoying in 2016 lol
12:46 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> linuxcnc is so cool
12:47 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> one day when i get a garage i am gonna want to build some crazy shit
12:47 AM xxcoder: :)
01:59 AM mrec: In file included from rtapi/uspace_rtai.cc:10:
01:59 AM mrec: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/io.h:38:12: error: declaration of 'int iopl(int) noexcept' has a different exception specifier 38 | extern int iopl (int __level) __THROW;
01:59 AM mrec: did anyone get across this one?
02:13 AM mrec: does anyone know where __THROW is supposed to be defined?
02:13 AM mrec: I have limited time and now that.... I don't like it
02:13 AM mrec: I just wanted to check if a bug is resolved ...
02:22 AM mrec: so the rtapi package is not available in bookworm?
03:05 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
03:13 AM t4nk_freenode is now known as t4nk_fn
04:22 AM JT-Cave: morning
09:15 AM lcnc-relay: <guido.make> Curios: does gantry sync in trivkins work with position controlled drives (EtherCAT CSP profile)?
09:17 AM rene-dev4 is now known as rene-dev
09:37 AM Tom_L: 102°F today
09:38 AM Tom_L: 104°F tomorrow
09:48 AM JT-Shop: showoff
09:51 AM Tom_L: the grass isn't very happy about it
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/VBbVnvAPxGqnTIIFBmZEEYnR/IMG_0171.jpg
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> guys i am having issues trying to view spindle speed now that i have my encoder, any time i include any of the spindle speed windows in pncconf i get a bunch of issues here is an example
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/pwZpqHYZkTpDKFKUTepmgeqW/IMG_0172.jpg
09:56 AM Tom_L: time to step away from pncconf
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and go to my hal and ini?
09:57 AM Tom_L: absolutely
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ugh something worse is going on now it throws an error even without the spindle stuff checked off
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: I will go to hal
09:59 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/nFnTmbPOjUAcOoFhHXWoJbEl/IMG_0173.jpg
10:00 AM Tom_L: # For spindle rpm display
10:00 AM Tom_L: net spindle-abs <= scale.0.out
10:00 AM Tom_L: net spindle-abs => abs.1.in
10:00 AM Tom_L: net spindle-abs => pid.0.feedback
10:00 AM Tom_L: # spindle-rpm connects in postgui.hal
10:00 AM Tom_L: net spindle-rpm <= abs.1.out
10:00 AM Tom_L: from mine
10:00 AM Tom_L: scale is 60 for rpm
10:01 AM rdtsc_away is now known as rdtsc
10:01 AM Tom_L: net spindle-velocity <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.01.velocity
10:01 AM Tom_L: net spindle-velocity => near.0.in2
10:01 AM Tom_L: net spindle-velocity => scale.0.in
10:02 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> there seems to be something wrong with computer to mesa connection, when i ping it in terminal i get like 60% errors, and the last picture i sent said something like host was unreachable
10:02 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:443/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL/
10:02 AM Tom_L: it's all in there
10:03 AM Tom_L: noise?
10:03 AM Tom_L: check the cable
10:03 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/mVgUSQSAdmquwikEQMBIgaLf/IMG_0174.jpg
10:03 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok i fixed the connection issue yes was cable - but still error from using the spindle window on i will open hal
10:04 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> error reading pin descriptor 38
10:04 AM Tom_L: there will come a point that you will need to step away from pncconf and customize the ini, hal on your own
10:05 AM JT-Shop: sounds like a com error
10:05 AM JT-Shop: board fails hm2 redistration
10:06 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it it only happens if i select any spindle display window
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> otherwise i just went back and deselected the spindle window and it loads without error
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> could it be bad wiring of the encoder
10:07 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> during PNC testing it did seem i was getting encoder response though
10:10 AM pcw--home: Sounds like communication errors
10:10 AM JT-Shop: morning Peter
10:10 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ugh yah there is something weird going on because now my axis won’t move either
10:11 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and now it’s back to saying can’t connect to board - i did a power cycle and replugged the cable which fixed it a few times but now it’s back
10:11 AM pcw--home: What does "sudo chrt 99 ping -i .001 10.10.10.10" report? (hit control C to stop after a few seconds)
10:12 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/zkDWNWxsekaqTnnOOULtzFPh/IMG_0175.jpg
10:12 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> if i ping it i get big packet loss, like 80% , i will try your command
10:13 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yah yours resulted in 62% packet loss
10:15 AM rdtsc: Are all the chassis grounds between PC, Mesa card, and drivers good? Could be noise from inadequate ground, or noise being picked up on the ethernet cable itself (cannot run ethernet next to power wires especially.)
10:16 AM pcw--home: Is there a 5V power issue? (your ping showed that it responded only once every 5 seconds which could be 7I96S power)
10:18 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> the only thing i changed today was wiring the encoder from sherline to the mesa pins, I am using one of those breadboard 5v power supplies , the only change to ground was adding ground from the encoder
10:18 AM pcw--home: an encoder wiring error might cause excessive 5V power draw
10:20 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> hmm okay maybe i will try removing them
10:20 AM pcw--home: I would just unplug the 8 pin encoder connector from the 7I96S
10:20 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ohhh smart
10:21 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i’m gonna do one more power cycle then try removing it
10:22 AM pcw--home: (turn off _all_ power before changing connectors)
10:22 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok so
10:22 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i just power cycled
10:22 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and similarly to last time, now it’s showing zero packet loss
10:22 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> so something i’m doing is triggering it to happen after the fact
10:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok linuxcnc now booted up with the spindle panel
10:24 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> ffffrf: like pcw--home is saying..... do not hot plug anything......
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/AvksLPuaffCinogSZjnyxGvr/IMG_0176.jpg
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yes i haven’t made any changes yet
10:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/IPGIfrETCglBFCTvpOeAdQiE/IMG_0177.jpg
10:27 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> okay i am going to power off and remove encoder block, it wasn’t letting me move axis or do anything
10:28 AM pcw--home: The ping issue is most likely 5V power related (either your power supply can't run the encoder or there's a wiring error so its drawing excessive current)
10:28 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok - i removed encoder block will power on and retry
10:29 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> you guys are geniuses
10:29 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it works now
10:30 AM pcw--home: It could also possibly be noise related (But it needs to be pretty severe to mess with Ethernet comms)
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/CwOYLNepMDmAFBpOqQAsonDu/IMG_0178.jpg
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/XrkgRxOSjiaAzeKufzrGJFKa/IMG_0179.jpg
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/razaNQcVFLsRyZrNizApQEAc/IMG_0180.jpg
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i plugged in the “out X” into the X+ on mesa and the X with a bar over it into X- on mesa
10:31 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> x is a place holder
10:33 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> should i try getting a power supply with higher rated amps at 5v?
10:34 AM pcw--home: Not until you figure out the issue (if you have something mis-wired that may just make things worse)
10:35 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> okay,
10:35 AM Tom_L: if you do, i use somethign similar to this on mine: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234250361981
10:36 AM pcw--home: I could also be a noise issue (though it has to be pretty severe to disrupt Ethernet communications)
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> but if it was noise why would removing encoder solve it?
10:36 AM Tom_L: bad grounds etc are a high percent of problems
10:36 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> oh
10:36 AM Tom_L: star ground configuration
10:37 AM pcw--home: make sure the machine frame is grounded and the the 7I96S frame ground connects to this ground
10:37 AM Tom_L: every ground has a separate wire to a single point
10:37 AM pcw--home: that the
10:37 AM Tom_L: not a point to point to point ground
10:44 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i loved over the manual and it seems my wiring is correct
10:44 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it says the encoder uses 160mA
10:44 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it had a shielding cable which i plugged into ground, along with the blue ground wire
10:50 AM pcw--home: I would connect the encoder shield to frame ground, not logic/power ground
10:51 AM pcw--home: and make sure that the 7I96S frame ground connects to the machine frame ground
10:52 AM pcw--home: A power issue will show up as cycling of the red /DONE LED on the 7I96S
10:52 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i re plugged in some badly connected wires i had in the encoder pinpoint and replaced it and turned everything on and now it seems to be working
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> although it shows my spindle rpm as 1.5x what it’s supposed to be
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i am gonna try to recline and power again to confirm it’s fixed
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> oh wait
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> there is a ground issue though
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> once i replaced the encoder
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> when i turn on my spindle it already spins or you can hear the motor doing something
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> this only happens with the encoder it was totally fine before once I connected ground to mesa from sherline speed controller
10:54 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i think maybe you are correct i need to connect shield to frame ground?
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> oh nvm i didn’t have my spindle analog output power supply turned on lol
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> NOW ITS GIVING ME THE SAME ERROR!!
10:55 AM JT-Shop: no need to shout
10:55 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i’m so confused
10:56 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> why would it work at first and then get connection issue
10:57 AM pcw--home: Why do you have an analog power supply? The 7I96S should connect direct where a potentiometer would connect
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i’m probably mixing up my terms, i meant i have a 9v power supply to spindle - and spindle +
10:58 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> so i can use mesas analog output to control spindle
10:59 AM pcw--home: That's usually not a great idea, the power should come from the potentiometer connections on the drive
11:02 AM pcw--home: an added external supply needs to be well isolated
11:02 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i was reading a thread in linux forums about how those pins don’t give enough power to drive it so they had to use an external one
11:04 AM pcw--home: OK so is the machine frame grounded? Is the 7I96S frame ground connect to this ground? I suspect EMI from the spindle drive is the issue
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok so i turned everything off because something dangerous is going on - touching that power supply, the plastic box, to the metal table the machine is sitting on causes it to spin
11:05 AM lcnc-relay: that’s definitely a frame grounding issue right?
11:11 AM pcw--home: did you verify that the spindle drive could not power the 7I96S analog section? (it only draws 2-3 mA)
11:12 AM pcw--home: I ask because the 9V supply adds another noise path from the spindle drive to the rest of the system
11:13 AM pcw--home: You need to be very careful with the isolated analog section wiring as it can be at line potential
11:14 AM Tom_L: and probably is on that driver
11:14 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yes i shrink wrapped everything and it is all covered, i can remove it all and retry by wiring from the pins on the driver box
11:16 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ugh and now the spindle doesn’t do anything
11:20 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> ffffrf: shielded twisted pairs.....
11:21 AM lcnc-relay: <roguish> also really good, and handy, to sketch out all the wiring prior to installing.
11:21 AM pcw--home: Is the machine frame grounded to earth ground? I worry about your safety
11:22 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yah i turned everything off there is definitely a bad grounding issue
11:22 AM lcnc-relay: shouldn’t the machine frame be grounded to earth via the plug?
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> When my 9v. power supply touches the stepper motor power supply, the spindle starts working - do you think it means I need to ground that 9v supply to the frame?
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> don’t worry i won’t do anything u til i have a good plan
11:23 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> thus far my 9v supply is only going to spin- and spin+ so it’s not really grounded to frame
11:24 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ugh i’m sorry for bothering by you guys
11:25 AM pcw--home: The 9V supply (If needed) must not be grounded and must be totally solated from any ground,or other connection
11:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok that’s what i thought initially and did
11:25 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it’s isolated as it is rn
11:26 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> but why would moving close to stepper PS trigger spindle movement? it’s plastic enclosed - is it like noise?
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> do you think the safest step 1 is to try getting spin- and + off of the speed controller
11:37 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i just don’t get why it all started when i wired the encoder
11:37 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> unless it’s actually just a coincidence
11:37 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> grounding the encoder shield to frame didn’t do anything
11:40 AM pcw--home: Is the 7I96S frame ground connected to frame ground?
11:41 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> 7i96 frame ground has a wire that goes to the sherline frame, yes
11:41 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> if that’s what you meant
11:44 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> my stepper psu only has ground to each stepper driver, should it also have frame ground?
11:45 AM pcw--home: If it has a frame ground connection
11:48 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> no it doesn’t
11:48 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> dang it ugh
11:49 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> anyway i’m gonna brainstorm what to debug
11:49 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> it’s weird because at one point it all worked including the encoder
11:49 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> for a little bit
11:50 AM pcw--home: Often frame ground is the metallic case of the powersupply/drive etc
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/LWdSyfynJrpCGyYPPpHYYuUI/PXL_20240714_164438064.jpg
11:51 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> like..
11:58 AM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> will look when home - also i should correct i actually do have ground pin on the potentiometer connected to spindle-, i’m just not using the voltage pin
12:02 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and when connecting it to the sherline’s frame, can i attach it anywhere? will the anodized / painted surface mess it up?
12:04 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> yes
12:12 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yes i can connect it anywhere or yes anodized surface is bad?
12:29 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> anodize and paint aren't good. you need to connect to bare metal......lots of ways to do that. star washers will usually cut through both paint and anodizing.....
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ok, i can develop the base plate to expose the metal
12:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> dremmel*
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> I picked up one of these. grounded it in my cabinet, and everything else comes back to it....
12:34 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/FirxaoFwSTGsLzehiDqSrQYo/image.png
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> once i have everything grounded to frame of the machine, should i then ground the frame to earth ground like using the ground pin on outlet?
12:35 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> ooo did u but that on amazon
12:36 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> amazon has them, so does your local homedepot or ace or whatever
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> ffffrf yes ground to one point at an outlet as long as no other grounds such as the machine frame should come into contact with earth ground at another point
12:43 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://www.mycncuk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17483&d=1454361702
12:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> the drawing might be slightly unclear since they used the earth ground symbol at the machine frame, but that connection is just to the machine frame
12:45 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> the actual Earth connection is outside the drawing through the power plug and assumes the electricians that wired it did their job correctly
12:47 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> captain i’m a bit confused on the response about making sure machine frame doesn’t touch earth ground at another point - wouldn’t the plug for the motor which has a ground pin mean the frame is technically now connected to ground at two points
12:47 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> that’s a very helpful diagram thank you i definitely do not have it done that way
12:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> the plug for the motor which has a ground pin is the only point of Earth ground contact
12:51 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> oh so i should not add a second plug to the frame and instead just add everything to the frame and be done
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> every ground inside the machine to that ground bar
12:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> ground bar to ground on power cord
12:53 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> no second plug, is that what the drawing comes across like? What I was worried about. Not my drawing.
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/SOlQrjkWOZxSxqLLHhWudcLL/IMG_0183.jpg
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> so objects to frame? motor plug to ground
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> yeah, that is all
12:54 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> or you introduce ground loops
12:57 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i suspect i do have ground loops and may need to rewrite a lot of things, i have many wires sharing ground to ground or ground to ground with 3 wires going into various things, I think i have many ground loops, i will try to first add grounds to frame like my pic and if that doesn’t solve things I will redo my entire grounding setup
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> is this a desktop machine?
12:59 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> ffffrf: sketch it all out.... then wire
01:18 PM * Tom_L shares the warmth with roguish
01:24 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> actually cooled significantly here..... only 76 now, and forecast on to 83 today........ sorta normal.
01:25 PM xxcoder: wed was predicted to be 93f with partial clouds, now its 84f
01:28 PM Tom_L: 102°F today
01:28 PM Tom_L: 104°F tomorrow
01:29 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> toasty
01:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> yes its a desktop machine
01:30 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> IYes I really do need to draw out my wire diagram, its so confusing though - is there a program most popular for doing it
01:31 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> my wiring is an embassasing mess
01:34 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> poured all night here, the humidity is ~130% now
01:36 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> ffffrf if you want to use CAD Kicad is a free download away
01:37 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://www.kicad.org/ if running debian it's as easy as: sudo apt install kicad
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> KiCAD is awesome love it so much
01:39 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> hmm ill take a look at it - i exclusively use fusion360 and while the cad / machining feels really easy to me, the PC design etc isunintuitive for me
01:40 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> I have fusion 360 as well but i use KiCAD
01:40 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> cool ok i’ll download it thank you for the info
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> you can export your board from KiCAD to throw into designs in fusion as a step file if needed
01:41 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> and this is like to draw wiring diagrams right? because i think for me to get help i will need to draw out everything i did
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> you can do schematics ya
01:49 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> print them out all nice etc.
01:49 PM lcnc-relay: <perry_j1987> you can do board layouts too. its a full package
01:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://softsolder.com/2021/04/08/kicad-to-hal-overview/ needs more attention
02:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/clMZjQvqBBNBdpfEcQpznxgS/PXL_20240714_185742304.jpg
02:20 PM JT-Shop: ready to kick back and watch some tv?
02:22 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> \0/
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> is there a generic USB game controller config?
02:25 PM JT-Shop: I did one years ago and it is/was on the wike
02:25 PM JT-Shop: ikhi
02:25 PM JT-Shop: wiki
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> piki
02:26 PM skunkworks: JT-Shop: soon :)
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Super_Simple_Method_For_Controlling_With_A_USB_Joypad
02:27 PM JT-Shop: not the one I did
02:27 PM JT-Shop: and I still use it
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> just noticed that util
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> I never use gamepads for LCNC but somebody wanted one on it
02:31 PM JT-Shop: I use one on my plasma, it's faster to position the torch
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> it there an off the shelf MPG and a few keys kind of control panel for LCNC already out there?
02:33 PM JT-Shop: sure plenty to pick from
02:36 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> have a link to one, not sure if we are talking about the same thing
02:37 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/41429-sinumerik-controlpanel-with-linux-cnc like these
02:37 PM JT-Shop: just search for mach LOL
02:38 PM JT-Shop: that's a lot more than a few buttons
02:39 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/20660/EnclosuereRender.jpg just the bottom half of this
02:40 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> not looking for a whole panel with display
02:40 PM JT-Shop: just have to buy a mpg and some buttons
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> sure I can build it
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> the point is what can I buy off the shelf
02:44 PM JT-Shop: prob nothing like that
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> not much for Mach if you just want an MPG and a few buttons
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> the GUI has the world
02:45 PM JT-Shop: https://www.amazon.com/Pendant-ELEOPTION-Wireless-Handwheel-Engraving/dp/B07F762PGK
02:49 PM rdtsc: Got one of these working with a Rpi4+7c80: https://vistacnc.com/b08_pendant_P2/pendant_p2-S.htm
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> not much for Mach if you just want an MPG and a few buttons on a panel, and yeah you could just have a holder for that on the front panel UI
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> yeah just pendants are everywhere
02:51 PM JT-Shop: https://www.peinfo.com/product/complete-control-panels/
02:51 PM JT-Shop: one call is all you need
02:55 PM rdtsc: I was quite concerned about lag/delay/issues with the P2-S being USB, but it seems to work ok.
02:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> control panels from the 70's
02:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> figures they are local for me
02:56 PM Tom_L: hah
02:56 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> it's like time stopped around here
02:57 PM rdtsc: For big keypads, also consider Fanuc. Many have a small-ish ribbon cable.
02:58 PM rdtsc: oh gosh, lol https://www.ebay.com/itm/256529684014
03:00 PM rdtsc: Just for the keypad: https://www.ebay.com/itm/256529684014
03:01 PM rdtsc: Can find better deals if ya dig a bit.
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> not looking for used
03:03 PM Tom_L: iPendant $$$
03:03 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> ok looks like "nope"
03:10 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> huh - reddit seems to be down
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> loads fine here
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> lol.. yep. here too
03:12 PM rdtsc: Reddit: We encountered an error
03:13 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> it's intermittent
03:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> ok - so not just me
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/MUqAjbkBReGQmBeCfeWDhiDG/20240507_190259.jpg
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/PAELJFqHQOrMWoKBdvJeEuWW/20240228_082159.jpg
04:07 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> The green thing goes inside the silver thing and makes the buttons work
04:10 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> blazini36 is that the one that you are selling?
04:11 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> Not for sale yet, hopefully the software guy blesses me next week, then I can stop being lazy and make more of the silver things
04:12 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> someone on the forums makes a Siemens copy for a lathe for LCNC
04:14 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> rather be a bit more "universal" which is why I haven't bothered with a membrane keypad
04:17 PM * JT-Shop has one more setup to go on the lifting thingy
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> Acorn Lathe CNC Software License
04:26 PM lcnc-relay: Once a software license has been assigned to a control, it becomes non-transferable with the exception of RMAs.
04:48 PM Connor: wishes there was a hal-to-kicad converter. :)
04:48 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> https://imgur.com/xomcQTc no MPG, not enough dedicated buttons ( and old from 2007-ish)
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> but enough room for the PC, Mesa, power supplies and drives
04:49 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> when 4:3 was king
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> Not sure I follow you there, what does a Siemens copy have to do with Acorn CNC? (Assume you mean Centroid Acorn)
04:50 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> 3 separate topics
04:51 PM JT-Shop: that's why I stay cornfused
04:51 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> lol
04:51 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> You really want to stick all of that in that box?
04:51 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> used to
04:52 PM lcnc-relay: <blazini36> I wouldnt
04:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> ok
04:52 PM lcnc-relay: <captainhindsight_.> for small machines
04:54 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what you workin on ? the clay pots?
04:54 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:07 PM JT-Shop: I put in a quote for a control and drive system last week for 60k if I get it I'm happy if not I'm happy
05:08 PM Tom_L: have they tried the new 'clamp'?
05:08 PM JT-Shop: yup they use it during production days
05:09 PM JT-Shop: production works 4 10's
05:09 PM Tom_L: cool
05:09 PM JT-Shop: it was pretty cool to develop
05:10 PM Tom_L: don't want the CNCs to get too stiff from sitting
05:11 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:12 PM Tom_L: my kid's box inspired me. i'd gotten a snap-on bottom in my early 20's and finally yesterday took the drawers out and lubed the slides
05:12 PM Tom_L: back then they didn't use bearings
05:12 PM JT-Shop: did you find any treasures?
05:12 PM Tom_L: no not really
05:13 PM Tom_L: had to modify a hacksaw blade to disengage the slides
05:13 PM JT-Shop: I had a snap on 1/4 flex driver handle but the handle fell off
05:13 PM Tom_L: i got one of those and a solid handle
05:13 PM Tom_L: no more snap on for me at today's prices
05:14 PM xxcoder: yeah they price em like tools parts is made from gold
05:15 PM Tom_L: gotta cover the lifetime warranty ...
05:15 PM JT-Shop: well carp I should have got a new flex drive handle then
05:15 PM Tom_L: you still can if you can find a truck
05:16 PM JT-Shop: I tossed it years ago
05:16 PM Tom_L: heh
05:17 PM JT-Shop: hmm work seems to be finished for the day
05:18 PM Tom_L: yer late.. 5 o'clock whistle blew already
05:18 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:18 PM JT-Shop: it blew two days ago
05:21 PM Tom_L: reached the goal today.. it's 102°F
05:21 PM JT-Shop: 90°F
05:22 PM Tom_L: crap, now they're saing 106 for tomorrow
05:23 PM xxcoder: that sucks
05:23 PM xxcoder: heat wave is moving east
05:23 PM JT-Shop: heat advisory till tuesday now
05:23 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:23 PM xxcoder: probably why prediction for wed went way down here
05:25 PM xxcoder: pretty much dropped by 10f degree
06:00 PM JT-Shop: say goodnight Gracie
08:41 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
09:58 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> UGH my spindle just won’t work anymore i tried grounding everything to frame
09:58 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> idk whT changed
09:58 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i’m not even using the encoder pins anymore
09:59 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i don’t get how it was working perfectly before i didn’t change wiring
09:59 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i wonder if i broke it somehow
09:59 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> the speed controller
10:17 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> fboth my axis work fine though
10:34 PM lcnc-relay: <ffffrf> i am going to draw up a grounding schematic