#linuxcnc Logs

May 17 2024

12:08 AM XXCoder: awesome. gpot 3d model files for those filing stuff
12:21 AM XXCoder: I probably can adopt it to screwdriver or something lol
12:21 AM XXCoder: no casting though
01:06 AM Deejay: moin
01:44 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Hello, so I got into PID tuning and having some sufficient results - like 0.005mm peak at the beginning and the end of movement. But I changed the steps per revolution in servo software from 1000/mm to 10000/mm to alow lower deadband range. So I changed the resolution of encoder to same 10000/mm as well. Now the f-error is running off the charts when I set jog speed to 3300mm/min. At...
01:44 AM lcnc-relay: ... 3000mm/min everything is fine. I did not have this issue at resolution 1000steps/mm and 1000 encoder pulses/mm. I was having basically same f-error all the way up to 12000mm/min
01:44 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/aoKXOTKXysmFqEfLMfXGYsLl/vel_3016.png
01:45 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/kgNCjrYlYQEvtCweqihvJiRy/vel_3360.png
01:46 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> So the question would be, if there is not any bottleneck at the mesa - encoder reading. Maybe there is some max rate of encoder pulses that can be read.
01:49 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> I just noticed, that at 3360mm/min the 10mm jog results to ~17mm movement on the machine
01:51 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> at 3016mm/min the 10mm jog is accurate on the machine
01:51 AM XXCoder: wonder if thats too fast so its skipping steps
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> MAXIMUM ENCODER COUNT RATE
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: The 7I975 uses multiplexed encoder signals to save FPGA pins. The multiplexing
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: rate will determine the maximum encoder count rate. Default multiplexing rate with
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: HostMot2 firmware is ClockLow /16,or approximately 6 MHz giving a resolvable count rate
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: of 3 MHz.
01:55 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> this is what I found in mesa 7i95t manual
01:55 AM XXCoder: hopefully in couple hours someone will be able to answer you :)
04:43 AM Tom_L: morning
04:52 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:42 AM cnc_: hello! I'm trying to configure a machine (my first ever), stepconf was used to set some parameters (I was not able to test the axis, trying to opens a dialog with an error message). linuxcncsrv and halcmd are running, but I can't seem to find a gui. `emc` is not a valid command, and I could not run any other GUI: https://bpa.st/6RBA
06:09 AM JT-Cave: Nuie?
06:19 AM cnc_: JT-Cave: I don't understand
06:22 AM JT-Cave: must be an AI
06:30 AM JT-Cave: turboss_z80, do you know about the QDoubleSpinBox issue?
06:31 AM turboss_z80: not sure what about
06:34 AM turboss_z80: hmmmm...
06:40 AM JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/52668-pyqt6-qdoublespinbox-error#300758
06:40 AM JT-Cave: the old floating point error
06:40 AM turboss_z80: checking
06:47 AM cnc_: JT-Cave: I still don't understand. are you implying that _I_ am and AI? I had to recover my password (some compromised machine), will change to my registered nick now
06:47 AM cnc_ is now known as petaflot
06:48 AM turboss_z80: JT-Cave, try to get spinbox.text() not value, atleast it does on pyqt5
06:49 AM turboss_z80: value breaks too
06:50 AM JT-Cave: using the float format fixed it for me
06:52 AM JT-Cave: petaflot, sometimes we can't tell especially if a link is in the first post and your info says your from Nuie
06:53 AM JT-Cave: QAbstractSpinBox does have text()
06:55 AM lcnc-relay: <turboss> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/gMjLGUzaHOUgbmzGkemXisBo/image.png
06:55 AM lcnc-relay: <turboss> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/RIpkjxTguMbTUoGRJgXEcFNc/image.png
06:56 AM JT-Cave: yup that's what I found out
06:59 AM petaflot: JT-Cave: no problem. that's totally understandable. and what is Nuie anyway?
06:59 AM JT-Cave: that's the country it says your in
06:59 AM JT-Cave: it's an island in the pacific
07:01 AM petaflot: k... this is so strange. I'm in Switzerland, my IP says so too.
07:01 AM JT-Cave: https://pasteboard.co/Xh5rRDXa8YQS.png
07:03 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> 🏴☠️
07:03 AM petaflot: oh I get it XD in french "nu" means "naked", and many many yearas ago the friends (they have this IP/housing company) got a few domains with that TLD.. that particular one ou are seeing means "here we are not naked". it's just a silly joke
07:03 AM JT-Cave: looks like your trying to use gmoccapy
07:03 AM JT-Cave: LOL
07:04 AM JT-Cave: I would start by using Axis it's much more stable
07:05 AM JT-Cave: cnc@cncben ~/linuxcnc/openscad_parts $ touchy -ini ~/Desktop/myFirstCNC/myFirstCNC.ini
07:06 AM JT-Cave: use linuxcnc ~/Desktop/myFirstCNC/myFirstCNC.ini
07:06 AM petaflot: which ever GUI I try, none starts. including axis (it fails with https://bpa.st/OERA)
07:06 AM JT-Cave: looks like your starting the gui not linuxcnc
07:06 AM JT-Cave: the gui is specified in the ini file
07:07 AM JT-Cave: in the [DISPLAY] section
07:08 AM JT-Cave: or just launch linuxcnc and pick the ini file
07:08 AM JT-Cave: https://pasteboard.co/9xpPZI70eIjV.png
07:09 AM JT-Cave: do you have the CNC menu?
07:11 AM petaflot: I had this (I used the desktop icon to start it previously).. now when I run `linuxcnc myFirstCNC.ini` it asks me to restart linuxcnc, then waits indefinitely for the lockfile to be removed, even if I manually kill linuxcnc and halcmd (kill -9 required)
07:14 AM JT-Cave: you might need to reboot to get a clean start but to kill hal you run halrun -U
07:14 AM JT-Cave: from a terminal
07:15 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
07:16 AM petaflot: k will reboot. brb
07:17 AM JT-Cave: but first a teaser for Tom_L https://pasteboard.co/3q31Fxd6xHeH.png
07:20 AM petaflot: it looks stuck at "Waiting for component 'hal_parport' to become ready" (and then 5 lines of dots)
07:21 AM petaflot: (with mots filling the screen)
07:21 AM petaflot: ^mots^more dots
07:21 AM JT-Cave: do you have a parallel port?
07:22 AM JT-Cave: another teaser for Tom_L https://pasteboard.co/GA3t36qDW5kh.png
07:22 AM JT-Cave: if you don't have a parallel port you can's use stepconf to create a configuration
07:22 AM petaflot: yes, I have two on PCI cards. Lava Computer mfg Inc Lava Parallel. I'll need to check I have the modules...
07:23 AM JT-Cave: hmm pci parallel port might need some configuration
07:23 AM JT-Cave: search the forum for pci parallel port
07:23 AM JT-Cave: I have to run now
07:23 AM petaflot: cheers thanks for the help so far
09:38 AM skunkworks: and there is tom.. :)
09:39 AM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@zmrdko:matrix.org)> zmrdko: JT-Woodshop: please, do you have any info on my issue? 🙏
09:42 AM petaflot: I modified the HAL file with explicit port adresses, the UI started but in "manual control" tab pretty much everything is greyed out
09:46 AM JT-Shop: did you release the estop and turn the power on?
09:48 AM petaflot: at the moment I only have one axis with two endstops. I am confused with estop since it is configured as an output, I would have thought it to be the opposite
09:49 AM JT-Shop: in Axis the estop must be released and the power turned on even in a sim to enable the manual tab
09:52 AM petaflot: oh right. now it tells me "joint 0 on limit switch error" (same for joint 1), I've tried both DB25 ports, tried toggling the endstop by hand and no change.
09:55 AM petaflot: oh wait :-) looks like I figured out both my switches have wrong state
09:56 AM petaflot: got rid of the error for joint 0
10:00 AM petaflot: I can't seem to figure out how to invert the hit state, though
10:04 AM CloudEvil: :) :(
10:05 AM JT-Shop: petaflot, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/hal/parallel-port.html#_pins
10:07 AM petaflot: yeah :-) time to actually attach the PSU on the driver
10:13 AM petaflot: meeh. not moving. taking a break
10:20 AM JT-Cave: petaflot, making good progress
10:20 AM * JT-Cave heads to Cape G
10:52 AM MootPoot_ is now known as MootPoot
11:18 AM Tom_L: houston is a mess today, glad i'm not there now
11:40 AM Rab: Damn, carnage
11:40 AM Rab: We had a taste of that in Austin, but no real damage that I'm aware of.
11:41 AM Tom_L: i was on that flooded highway not that long ago
11:41 AM Rab: I like her expression: "...Any more to come?" https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1mzR0P.img
12:05 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
12:05 PM Unterhausen: I have a very simple windows program and now microsoft says it's not compatible, so I can't complile
12:05 PM Unterhausen: I don't want to work on it, now I'm debugging Bill Gate's bad attitude
12:05 PM Tom_L: don't upgrade from win7
12:07 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> you should be able to run in 'compatability mode'
12:08 PM Unterhausen: I have some 32bit windows installs, they run almost everything
12:08 PM Unterhausen: windows 10 32 bit
12:08 PM Unterhausen: I tried wine and it failed to run my drive configuration program. Too simple, I think
12:09 PM Unterhausen: I should try wine again
12:09 PM Rab: Unterhausen, Windows 10 32 bit?? Is it limited to 4GB of memory?
12:09 PM Unterhausen: probably, but that's generally enough to run things with
12:10 PM Unterhausen: at one time, they were allowing free upgrades to 10, and all of my used computers have a windows license
12:11 PM Unterhausen: you can get a license for $5 now anyway
12:13 PM Unterhausen: I use to do work for a company that is limping along on win32 computers. Still are, afaik
12:13 PM Rab: Tried virtualization? I have Windows 10 and XP under Debian, they perform pretty well. XP boots so fast it's almost like running just another desktop app.
12:14 PM roycroft: i run windows vms using vmware fusion on my macs and it runs at pretty much raw iron speed
12:15 PM solarwind: It should run at bare metal speed, that's the whole point of virtualization extensions lol
12:16 PM roycroft: yes
12:16 PM roycroft: but many folks have the impression that it doesn't
12:16 PM Rab: "Raw iron speed" is a level up from "bare metal speed".
12:17 PM roycroft: i think it's worth pointing out that it does work as designe and advertised
12:17 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> all my servers are VMs, but none are windows 😉
12:18 PM roycroft: i run almost all of our production servers as vms on proxmox ve
12:18 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> vmware just started giving away vmware workstation...
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> proxmox ve rocks 🙂
12:20 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> proxmox bs saved my a$$ a few times, too
12:46 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Tom_L one thing I didn't check was an empty tool table
12:47 PM bjorkintosh: proxmox ve? roycroft on what sort of hardware?
01:01 PM Unterhausen: I probably should look into VM, I was always pretty happy with it at work. Although just putting another SSD in a computer and dual booting windows is also pretty easy
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: I do both. It depends on what you need to run and what hardware you have.
01:14 PM bjorkintosh: sometimes it's great to have both simultaneously.
01:40 PM solarwind: travis_farmer that is the correct answer re: none are windows
01:41 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight depends how racist I'm feeling on a given day, and usually a 0.22 LR since I just want to maim and not kill
02:04 PM Unterhausen: I searched for what vm to use on debian, and as usual there are so many choices that it's too much work to figure it out
02:05 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> my CAD/CAM computer is the only windows computer i have, and that is for Vcarve Pro, that won't run on Linux
02:10 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, or lack of one
02:11 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Did you get Flex loaded on the laptop
02:11 PM Tom_L: not me
02:12 PM Tom_L: don't have one that i use
02:12 PM Tom_L: gotta fix something then i can look it over
02:13 PM roycroft: my anesthesia caims just were posted, and they were covered
02:14 PM roycroft: but the surgery itself not so
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Travis
02:19 PM Rab: Unterhausen, https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU
02:20 PM Rab: I use VirtualBox since I'm used to it, but I installed QEMU and it seemed approximately as usable.
02:21 PM Rab: Without the creepiness of Oracle.
02:24 PM Tom_L: ahh
02:28 PM roycroft: proxmox uses kvm/qemu by default, and is widely depkoyed running high traffic servers
02:32 PM Rab: On the one hand I recognize the endorsement, on the other hand there is a lot of software widely deployed running high traffic servers which I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. ;)
02:33 PM roycroft: i spreak strictly from a the-hypervisor-itself-is-very-robust point ov view
02:34 PM roycroft: i take no position on the quality of any vms built to run under it
02:51 PM roycroft: i just found my megasquirt
02:54 PM roycroft: is skunkworks usually on libera.net or is he bridged here?
02:54 PM rdtsc_away is now known as rdtsc
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: he is bridged
03:01 PM XXCoder: usually on discord but sometimes on irc also
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: he's in this channel now skunkworks, skunkworks, skunkworks (clicks heels 3 times)
03:02 PM XXCoder: oh great capt have gone home
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> sorry JT, i was checking my Email...
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: yes, i have Flex loaded o my second laptop. not sure how good it will do me as that laptop is sooo slooow, but it is loaded and runs. i have not played with it yet.
03:41 PM solarwind: well holy shit, that grease research paid off. Blew out all the old lithium-complex grease from the reach forklift scissor mechanism and replaced with a nice calcium sulfonate "marine" grease whose thickener itself acts as a lubricant at very low speed and high load
03:41 PM solarwind: No longer seeing any metal wearing off and discolouring the grease after A/B testing.
03:42 PM solarwind: The amount of wear is negligible anyway compared to the size of the part, but the point is that it really does behave the way the science predicts it to
03:43 PM solarwind: it really is the right choice for low speed high load surfaces where you may not have enough speed to form a fluid film
03:51 PM XXCoder: was zmrdko problem fixed yet?
03:52 PM XXCoder: some MSA issue or config dunno
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> not sure if he/she got fixed or not. last i remember he/she asked JT a question, and i don't know if it got answered as my supper was ready
03:55 PM XXCoder: just use they. far less annoying
03:55 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> lol
03:56 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> easier to type too...
03:56 PM XXCoder: yeah they had hit some bandwidth limit or something. hitting some bottleneck of some kind anyway
04:01 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> it is very near the top of https://www.tjfhome.net/irclog/%23linuxcnc/2024-05-17.html
04:03 PM lcnc-relay: <unterhausen> I just used some 3m cubitron belts on my belt grinder. Pretty amazing for a mediocre welder
04:14 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
04:20 PM Unterhausen: just noticed I made a pretty big divot on my hand with the belt grinder. OOPs
04:23 PM XXCoder: got too hands-on eh
04:25 PM Tom_L: just skin you won't have to shed
04:32 PM XXCoder: shed like lizard eh? you a lizard person just like V movie lol
04:34 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, with an empty tool table all you see is 'Select' and if you push ToolChange it says: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/toolchange_cb.png
04:35 PM Tom_L: same if the tool table is not present in the folder
04:35 PM JT-Shop: ok
04:37 PM Tom_L: and
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04:38 PM Tom_dev: if you have a populated tool table and have select and push the toolchange button you get this:
04:38 PM Tom_dev: Error
04:38 PM Tom_dev: Unknown word starting with f
04:38 PM JT-Shop: that makes sense
04:38 PM Tom_L: i can think of a couple f words...
04:38 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:39 PM Tom_L: finished fixing the dryer vent on the niece's dryer....
04:39 PM JT-Shop: you're becoming an appliance repair person...
04:39 PM Tom_L: one of those crappy plastic flex tubes
04:40 PM Tom_L: now solid gal pipe
04:40 PM Tom_L: minus the lint
04:41 PM Tom_L: funny 'select' behaves different when a tool table is present
04:41 PM JT-Shop: in what way?
04:41 PM Tom_L: with the table you get the unknown word error
04:41 PM Tom_L: without it you get the message i posted
04:42 PM JT-Shop: oh if you press change tool with select displayed
04:42 PM Tom_L: yes
04:43 PM Tom_L: if you can default 'select' to 0 that would be valid and true
04:43 PM Tom_L: tool 0
04:43 PM JT-Shop: hmm I could do tool 0
04:44 PM Tom_L: so next_tool_sb isn't there anymore?
04:44 PM JT-Shop: correct
04:45 PM Tom_L: i was gonna test it against the other cb
04:45 PM Tom_L: what about the tool buttons?
04:45 PM JT-Shop: totally different
04:46 PM Tom_L: but if i push one, i get tool 15 is already in the spindle which is one i'd selected with the cb
04:46 PM Tom_L: so the buttons are gone now too?
04:47 PM JT-Shop: which one did you push?
04:47 PM Tom_L: Tool 2
04:47 PM Tom_L: or any of them
04:47 PM JT-Shop: no the buttons for each tool should still work... should being the key word
04:47 PM Tom_L: well they don't
04:49 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/toolchange_error.png
04:49 PM Tom_L: after selecting T45 i push a tool button and get that message
04:49 PM Tom_L: any tool button
04:49 PM Tom_L: using the cb to select 45
04:50 PM Tom_L: if i select T1 with the cb it works fine
04:50 PM Tom_L: just the buttons
04:50 PM Tom_L: aren't working
04:59 PM JT-Cave: are too
05:00 PM Tom_L: not here
05:01 PM Tom_dev: i'll clone and build and try once more
05:02 PM Tom_dev: trying to be sly... fixed it and didn't tell...
05:02 PM JT-Cave: lol
05:02 PM Tom_L: yeah that fixed it
05:03 PM Tom_L: Tool 0 is better too
05:05 PM Tom_L: i forgot how the buttons are mapped to the tool?
05:06 PM Tom_L: on my ui i push Tool 24 and get Tool 4
05:07 PM JT-Shop: ok, missed that lol
05:07 PM Tom_dev: and if the tool isn't in the tool table it asks you to remove the tool
05:07 PM Tom_dev: which may just be selecting Tool 0
05:07 PM Tom_dev: ?
05:08 PM JT-Shop: using the buttons?
05:08 PM Tom_dev: yes
05:08 PM Tom_dev: on my ui select Tool 50
05:09 PM Tom_dev: it reverts to Tool 0 which is fine but was that intentional?
05:09 PM Tom_dev: i think i used to get a warning that tool wasn't in the tool table iirc
05:09 PM JT-Shop: I forgot to get all the number I only get the last digit so I need to split at _
05:10 PM JT-Shop: bit more code...
05:10 PM Tom_dev: i guess i can remove that spinbox since it isn't used now
05:10 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:11 PM Tom_dev: next_tool_sb
05:11 PM JT-Shop: what I need to do is split at _ and if [-1] isdigit then use that
05:13 PM JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/dXWGPUeZGx0?t=1518
05:13 PM JT-Shop: why does he need to take the backlash out?
05:13 PM Tom_L: so the tool doesn't jump on the taper
05:14 PM JT-Shop: what is he taking the backlash out of?
05:14 PM Tom_L: i got no sound so i'm not entirely sure what he's doing
05:14 PM Tom_L: z
05:14 PM Tom_L: he should do it to x and z
05:14 PM JT-Shop: I've never used a taper attachment
05:15 PM Tom_L: i just set the cross slide at an angle but i don't do that very often at all
05:15 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure what he's got going on ther
05:15 PM Tom_L: e
05:15 PM JT-Shop: the taper attachment moves the x axis
05:16 PM Tom_L: X or X and Z?
05:16 PM Tom_L: with gearing for the ratio
05:16 PM JT-Shop: x z is driven
05:16 PM JT-Shop: no a taper thingy
05:16 PM Tom_L: mmm
05:16 PM JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/dXWGPUeZGx0?t=1741
05:16 PM Tom_L: well you still want to back it off and move into it to remove any lash
05:17 PM Unterhausen: starting to wonder if Loetmichel and I are related due to the incidence of hurting ourselves
05:19 PM Unterhausen: bambu labs is going to replace all the printers they recalled
05:21 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, can tool_change_cb 'index' be updated to reflect the current tool if it's selected from an outside source?
05:21 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:22 PM JT-Shop: is there a reason to do that?
05:22 PM Tom_L: to reflect the tool in the spindle?
05:22 PM JT-Shop: ok
05:22 PM Tom_L: that could go either way really
05:22 PM Tom_L: i think updating it would be preferred
06:04 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:09 PM JT-Shop: what do you think?
06:11 PM Tom_L: i'd update it
06:11 PM Tom_L: and also i'm glad i'm not in houston
06:11 PM JT-Shop: you didn't look...
06:11 PM Tom_L: oh
06:11 PM Tom_L: i shut it down..
06:11 PM Tom_L: one sec
06:12 PM Tom_L: your daughter is down there right/
06:12 PM Tom_L: ??
06:13 PM Tom_L: they got hammered
06:13 PM JT-Shop: tomball and spring
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06:15 PM Tom_dev: Error
06:15 PM Tom_dev: Requested tool 50 not found in the tool table
06:15 PM Tom_dev: Error
06:15 PM Tom_dev: Unknown word where unary operation could be
06:15 PM Tom_L: i do like how it updates
06:15 PM JT-Shop: do you have tool 50 in the tool table?
06:16 PM Tom_L: tool 24 is 24 now instead of 4
06:16 PM Tom_L: 50 isn't in the tool table
06:16 PM Tom_L: i keep it there for testing
06:16 PM JT-Shop: last I looked 45 is all the tools in tool.tbl
06:16 PM JT-Shop: ah ok
06:16 PM JT-Shop: I need to test for the tool in the tool table
06:16 PM JT-Shop: I guess
06:16 PM Tom_L: that's why i tested it
06:17 PM Tom_L: this thing should be bullet proof when we're done
06:17 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:21 PM Tom_L: i didn't test if you skip a tool number
06:22 PM JT-Shop: the combobox? I tested that
06:23 PM JT-Shop: it would be easy to loop through the cb data and see if the tool exists
06:23 PM Tom_L: yeah that works
06:25 PM Tom_L: you should refresh the list on 'reload tooltable' too
06:25 PM Tom_L: it doesn't
06:25 PM JT-Shop: good idea
06:28 PM Tom_dev: Error
06:28 PM Tom_dev: Requested tool 50 not found in the tool table
06:28 PM Tom_L: you had that fixed once
06:28 PM JT-Shop: that's your fault lol
06:40 PM JT-Shop: we head for tx sunday am
06:40 PM JT-Shop: oldest daughter that lives in tomball is without power youngest has power
06:40 PM JT-Shop: youngest lives farther north
06:48 PM Tom_L: that's gonna be a mess down there for a while
06:49 PM JT-Shop: oldest daughter said it was like a hurricane for 15 minutes
06:49 PM Tom_L: was it just straight line winds?
06:49 PM Tom_L: i didn't read about it much
06:50 PM JT-Shop: dunno
06:53 PM Tom_L: we've had straight line winds here that blew down the big green roadsigns
06:54 PM Tom_L: chicago, the windy city.... haha
06:54 PM JT-Shop: I think one of the hens is about to call it quits
06:54 PM Tom_L: you've lost a few recently it seems
06:54 PM JT-Shop: and I was able to call a deer to me a bit ago... I think the dog bowl of corn helped
06:55 PM JT-Shop: yup
06:55 PM Tom_L: the girls watched the robins from egg to flying from the nest, now the nest is empty
06:55 PM JT-Shop: watching a robin first flight is pretty cool
07:03 PM XXCoder: wierd gears
07:03 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/qpSUuIv-D9o
07:06 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
07:06 PM XXCoder: video shows the rare mill type
07:31 PM Tom_L: i didn't get past him popping out of nowhere to start it
07:32 PM XXCoder: lol he do get annoying. its why I didnt sub to that channel. but was linked to it elsewhere
07:33 PM XXCoder: the pantsgraph is interesting machine
07:42 PM roycroft: i haven't had a chance to watch that yet
07:42 PM roycroft: uri sent an email abot ut to his patrobs a couple days ago, but i've been busy
07:43 PM * roycroft yearns to be able to type with both hands again
08:06 PM Tom_L: pantagraph is a copier right?
08:06 PM XXCoder: yeah. its also scaled
08:06 PM Tom_L: i showed the one my bud had... a bridgeport
08:06 PM roycroft: or can be scaled
08:06 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:07 PM roycroft: it can do 1:1
08:07 PM XXCoder: not sure if its bridgeport but it sur elooked like one
08:07 PM roycroft: and originally was used 1:1
08:08 PM roycroft: thomas jefferson invented it to make copies of letters he sent
08:09 PM roycroft: there wasn't carbon paper back then, but even if there was, quill pen would not have enough pressure to make carbon copies
08:23 PM Tom_L: you don't see much carbon paper anymore
08:28 PM roycroft: i still use it for some things
08:28 PM roycroft: but it's hard to find in a stationary store these days
08:29 PM roycroft: especially since it's hard to find a stationary store these days
08:29 PM roycroft: when i moved to eugege there were 5 or 6 in town
08:29 PM roycroft: now there are 0
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09:48 PM solarwind: JT-Shop is that an american day or the international standard day?
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