#linuxcnc Logs
May 08 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:09 AM Deejay: moin
02:36 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:42 AM Scopeuk: with a chunk of angle iron glamped to it
02:43 AM Scopeuk: s/glamped/ g clamped
02:43 AM XXCoder: glamped sorta work lol'
02:45 AM XXCoder: oh its now defined to be fancy camping. okay
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04:14 AM Tom_L: morning
04:20 AM turboss_z80: good morning
04:53 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:01 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> morning
08:33 AM JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/46289-which-ui?start=30#300121
08:33 AM JT-Cave: I couldn't help myself the guy is such an ass
08:46 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> BWAHAHAHAHA!!! 🙂
08:51 AM jpa-: i wonder what leads to the "no graph" requirement :)
08:59 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYNkZ-ry5yA
09:07 AM pcw-home: JT-Cave: Bit my lip and stayed out of that one...
09:08 AM JT-Cave: I hear that
09:08 AM JT-Cave: jpa-, I assume he is used to industrial controls with no plotter
09:09 AM JT-Cave: my Discovery 308 does not have a plotter and I don't miss it at all
09:15 AM pcw-home: Disparaging a volunteer software project because it does not have his pet feature is not likely a winning strategy
09:17 AM JT-Cave: yup
09:21 AM JT-Cave: I wonder if his first name is Paul
09:22 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Lol - there will always be people like that.
09:23 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
09:24 AM Unterhausen: huh, is there a forum he can go bother for Mach?
09:24 AM Unterhausen: I think that's one of the bigger problems lcnc has, so many opportunities to troll the userbase
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> just checked my forum profile... can't hardly believe i have been puttering with LinuxCNC for 7 years!!!!
09:25 AM Unterhausen: I was going to suggest one of our persistent trolls go troll centroid users, but there isn't a good place to link them to
09:26 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> my machine doesn't have plot 😆 the raspberry pi cant handle it
09:26 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> as usual...
09:29 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> lol - 2007
09:31 AM lcnc-relay: <TurBoss> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/kGGwDKrUfRknhWphLaWWYZrP/image.png
09:32 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I have been using axis - the preview on the pi seems ok.. (4)
09:40 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
09:46 AM lcnc-relay: <unterhausen> did anyone scan through the axis code linked in that thread to see how they are calculating chip load?
09:51 AM bjorkint0sh: https://youtu.be/28NEoH9II6g
11:46 AM Tom_L: from the sounds of it, i'm glad i didn't read it
11:56 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, any luck with the subprocess shutdown?
11:59 AM Tom_L: Unterhausen, no but that may possibly be on the flexgui list
12:05 PM Tom_L: might be a bit of a challenge since the tool table doesn't have an entry for number of teeth
12:11 PM Tom_L: you could calculate for an arbitrary tooth count say between 1 & 6 then choose which one you want to display but it would likely be different for each cutter
12:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> My K&T slide rule calculates that..
12:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://cimquest-inc.com/what-is-chip-load/
12:15 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> it is pretty basic
12:16 PM Tom_L: it will vary with diameter too
12:17 PM Tom_L: for most purposes, tooth count would be plenty
12:19 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> this post has a provision for tooth count in the tool db: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/46289-which-ui?start=20#299957
12:23 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> LMAO, the A$$ hit a "Thank You" on my post 🤣
12:27 PM Tom_L: it could be done from the 'comment' field in the tool table but it would need to be consistent and parse the comment field in the code
12:28 PM Tom_L: not the best solution but workable
12:36 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> sfm calc for spindle rpm would need diameter
12:37 PM XXCoder: interesting video stunk
12:37 PM XXCoder: *skunk
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> hmmm... is it a bad thing to have 42 tabs open on my browser? 🤣
12:37 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> no
12:38 PM XXCoder: once a while theres someone who gripes that browser is so slow with 120 tabs
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I have over 70
12:38 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> i only have 32GB of ram
12:38 PM XXCoder: 7 here, and 64 gb ram lol
12:39 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> i don't think this laptop could go up to 64GB 🤣
12:39 PM XXCoder: tower win
12:40 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I think this vm only has 16gb ram allocated to it..
12:40 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, I did the first thing you asked for run xyzh and open a file
12:41 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I had been running 4gb forever and the only reason I notice something must be odd - is the chrome tabs would shut down and re-load whenever I clicked on them.
12:42 PM JT-Cave: you can get tool diameter from the tool table and with a spin box for teeth the rest is a piece of pie
12:42 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> i use firefox... i hate chrome
12:42 PM XXCoder: oh hey new w&m video. been a while
12:43 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RdjjZDy9Ew
12:53 PM XXCoder: lol interesting and unusual as usual
01:26 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, tried that already.. :)
02:04 PM JT-Shop: and?
02:09 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@zmrdko:matrix.org)> I tried to tune delta b3 servos and I managed to get 0.23mm (~0.01 inch) following error at 6000mm/min (240 ipm). Is that OK? Or am I too far from solid results?
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> tuning the drive's pid?
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> or linuxcnc pid?
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> what is the encoder count?
02:14 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> (per inch)
02:19 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Drive only
02:19 PM Unterhausen: word for the day is "quadruplicated"
02:20 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Im using this config:
02:20 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> https://github.com/zmrdko/3dworks_ethercat_lcec
02:20 PM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> Is that 4x or 8x?
02:20 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> I dont use pid in linuxcnc. I use EtherCAT servo with direct position commands
02:22 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Postion mode or what its called
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> I have E-gear set to 500k/rev + 5mm ball screw
02:23 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I don't know those drives - but .010" seems a bit much..
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> If that is for rapids it might not be too bad. If that is a cutting velocity then I agree it is a bit much.
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> usually you can get following error down to <10 encoder counts..
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> Yes, you will get a spike due to uncorrectable snap/crackle/pop but it should be very small and short duration. AFAIK, that is how most machines are specified for rapids/cutting speed. Above the cutting speed the machine following error will be greater than the accuracy specification.
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Sure - that is why linuxcnc has 2 F-error settings - slow speed and high speed.
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I guess I can only go by the tuning I have done within linuxcnc.. I can usually get less than .001 at speed.
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uo9NGqQyJgM
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@zmrdko:matrix.org)> zincboy_ca_on: 0.010” is for my “rapids” at 240ipm
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@zmrdko:matrix.org)> skunkworks8841: What is the treshold?
02:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> It is about a page down..
02:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#sub:ini:sec:joint-num
02:47 PM roycroft: hello, folks
02:47 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> How is your wrist?
02:48 PM roycroft: i am bck from surgery, and it appears that i'm not dead yet
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Thanks!!
02:49 PM roycroft: my wrist is repaired, but my entire arm is kimp as a wet noodle at the moment
02:49 PM lcnc-relay: <zmrdko (@_discord_397707718582075420:jauriarts.org)> Is that feedback from servo encoder?
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> yes
02:50 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> PID->pwm->servodrive->servo->encoder->linuxcnc->
02:51 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> * PID->pwm->servodrive->servo->encoder->encoder counter->linuxcnc
02:52 PM skunkworks: roycroft: that sounds great - mostly
02:56 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, sounds good, you got a cast or just a splint?
02:57 PM roycroft: half cast
02:58 PM roycroft: a cast on the underside of my wrist and forearm, held in place with an ace bandage
02:58 PM JT-Shop: I had to look that up to get a visual
02:58 PM skunkworks: when I fractured my wrist in high school - that is what I had..
02:58 PM skunkworks: way better than a full cast.
03:01 PM roycroft: at least the bone is straight now, and in position
03:01 PM XXCoder: nice roy
03:09 PM Tom_L: glad you survived!
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> roycroft: coool. now get back to work..!!!
03:11 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> good to hear roycroft 🙂
03:12 PM JT-Shop: 2024. Brood 19, the largest Missouri brood, returns to put on its impressive display once again across most of the state.
03:13 PM JT-Shop: damn those Periodical Cicadas are loud
03:13 PM XXCoder: heard its rarer double rise this time
03:13 PM XXCoder: 13 and 17 year ones or something
03:13 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> i don't get many up here
03:13 PM JT-Shop: this is a 17 year one I think
03:13 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/RoyBorg.jpeg
03:14 PM XXCoder: jt https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-double-brood-of-periodical-cicadas-will-emerge-in-2024/
03:14 PM XXCoder: yeah both 13 and 17 ones
03:14 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i think [FILTER] is good now
03:14 PM JT-Shop: awesome
03:15 PM XXCoder: borg
03:15 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> nice roycroft, looks like you got awarded some metal 😉
03:15 PM Tom_L: so we're down to one patch per day now???
03:15 PM Tom_L: ^^ like a regular company meeting...
03:15 PM Tom_L: build you up, slap you down :)
03:15 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUBTTkHPegE
03:16 PM Tom_L: is that part of this last commit?
03:16 PM JT-Shop: no
03:17 PM Tom_L: so now you're just teasing with stuff...
03:17 PM JT-Shop: :)
03:18 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> what about our chip-load friend? got the chip-load calc figured yet? 😉
03:19 PM JT-Shop: feed per tooth is a simple calculation
03:19 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, maybe some way to do that feed i showed with the scale
03:19 PM JT-Shop: Feed Per Tooth (FPT) = IPM ÷ (RPM x Teeth)
03:20 PM JT-Shop: what was that link?
03:20 PM Tom_L: www. idunno . org
03:20 PM Tom_L: hang on i'll find it
03:20 PM Tom_L: it was part of my postgui
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03:23 PM Tom_dev: # Feedrate
03:23 PM Tom_dev: net vel-number-rps motion.current-vel => scale.1.in
03:23 PM Tom_dev: net vel-feed pyvcp.vel-feed <= scale.1.out
03:24 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer> ... i think i touched a nerve...
03:24 PM Tom_L: scale is 60 to convert to min instead of sec?
03:24 PM Tom_dev: for ipm
03:27 PM Tom_L: motion.current-vel OUT FLOAT
03:27 PM Tom_L: Current cartesian velocity
03:27 PM Tom_L: iirc you had a _lb for that but not scaled
03:28 PM Tom_L: these must be new or i missed them: motion.feed-inches-per-minute OUT FLOAT
03:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, we'd been talking about things hal inputs could be for
03:30 PM Tom_L: i don't recall seeing those in motion
03:30 PM Tom_L: for inch and mm
03:32 PM Tom_L: yeah those are new in 2.9, they weren't in 2.8
03:32 PM Tom_L: and my config was done prior to that..
03:32 PM Tom_L: maybe i should test those on the mill
03:33 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
03:33 PM Tom_L: that could be hooked to a halpin input couldn't it?
03:43 PM Tom_dev: net feed-per-min flexhal.test.in_pin1 <= motion.feed-inches-per-minute
03:43 PM Tom_dev: in postgui then attach that to a textlabel_lb
03:45 PM Tom_dev: or
03:45 PM Tom_dev: motion.feed-upm to make it more generic and dependent on the gcode G20 21 units
03:48 PM Tom_dev: that would also open up things like distance-to-go etc
03:50 PM Tom_dev: they kinda went nuts with feed options in 2.9
03:52 PM JT-Cave: it would have to be a hal label to connect to it in post gui hal
03:52 PM Tom_dev: right
03:52 PM JT-Cave: I've not done a hal input label yet
03:53 PM Tom_dev: i know
03:53 PM Tom_dev: but that could be connected with the function thing right?
03:53 PM Tom_dev: function hal_pin ... i forget what it's called
03:54 PM Tom_dev: i see several uses for inputs
03:56 PM JT-Cave: I need to make an axis velocity per minute label...
03:57 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> JT-Cave: that'd be a good one.
03:57 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> and a ferror label too
03:57 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> please
03:58 PM Tom_L: that should show in the error window shouldn't it?
04:00 PM Tom_dev: errors_pte
04:09 PM JT-Shop: roguish https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/flexgui/labels.html
04:14 PM Tom_L: you get HAL_IN with bit, float, s32 and U32 working and you could display nearly anything you wanted
04:14 PM Tom_L: to a _lb
04:15 PM Tom_L: including the numeric ones already on the list
04:17 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:17 PM Tom_L: not just limited to the few axis lets you see
04:17 PM JT-Shop: I got tired of that ass on the forum and locked the thread
04:17 PM Tom_L: haha good one
04:17 PM Tom_L: i didn't read it all
04:17 PM Tom_L: i did take a peek
04:30 PM JT-Shop: I should have used Peter's disparaging a volunteer software project
04:30 PM Tom_L: huh?
04:31 PM JT-Shop: read back to this morning
04:31 PM Tom_L: here?
04:31 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:31 PM Tom_L: :)
04:31 PM JT-Shop: I had to look up disparaging
04:32 PM Tom_L: i try not to use big words :)
04:32 PM JT-Shop: it was a perfect fit
04:32 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:33 PM Tom_L: if they're an ass i call them an ass
04:33 PM JT-Shop: rotflmao
04:33 PM Tom_L: what can they do? fire me?
04:34 PM JT-Shop: cut your pay by 50%
04:34 PM Tom_L: my kid is going to 2nd... he hasn't said anything but i wonder if that close call prompted it
04:34 PM Tom_L: he knows the 2nd shifters and maybe likes them better... who really knows
04:35 PM JT-Shop: only him
04:35 PM Tom_L: both shifts want him
04:35 PM JT-Shop: might be to get away from a dangerous person...
04:35 PM Tom_L: he was training him i think
04:35 PM Tom_L: he's trained several new hires
04:48 PM JT-Shop: does 2nd shift pay more?
04:49 PM JT-Shop: in the shipyard I worked at 3rd shift was 7 hours but you got paid for 8 hours and if you started up a conversation about ww2 with the supervisor you could sit and drink coffee most of the night
04:50 PM JT-Shop: and listen to his recount of ww2 in the pacific
04:52 PM JT-Shop: I started building destroyers then moved to subs and was part of RPTS
04:54 PM Tom_L: there's shift differential and he got a bit more above that
04:54 PM JT-Shop: nice
04:55 PM Tom_L: the 1st shift super wanted him since he just showed up replacing the previous one who is retiring
04:55 PM Tom_L: and he's been his go to guy since he got there
04:56 PM Tom_L: you know all about working with heavy equipment then
04:56 PM Tom_L: i had a friend that worked in one of the nuke silos
04:57 PM JT-Shop: yup a destroyer back then was 585' long and could get up on plane
04:57 PM JT-Shop: RPTS is Reactor Plant Test Support so we did pressure testing and other stuff
04:58 PM JT-Shop: they had 4 GE turbine engines and two 5 bladed variable pitch screws
04:59 PM JT-Shop: on the destroyers I was an outside machinist
04:59 PM JT-Shop: so our group installed machinery mostly
05:02 PM Tom_L: when the kids were younger we took them to see the lexington carrier in corpus christi
05:09 PM JT-Shop: dad was on the enterprise
05:17 PM JT-Shop: the little cat with the hematoma in her ear gets meds twice a day and ear mite meds every other day
05:17 PM JT-Shop: today is the double day
05:17 PM Tom_L: how does she take to that?
05:17 PM JT-Shop: she takes the meds ok, this is the first time to put ear mite med in her ears
05:17 PM Tom_L: those are just drops in the ear?
05:18 PM JT-Shop: she has 30 stitches in her right ear
05:18 PM Tom_L: that's quite a few
05:18 PM JT-Shop: yeah but you have to put it in deep so it gets past the hair
05:18 PM JT-Shop: apparently I didn't do a good job the first time as they all still have ear mites
05:19 PM JT-Shop: I'm a bit more aggressive now putting the med in deep
05:19 PM Tom_L: how many days do you have to do that?
05:19 PM JT-Shop: until I run out
05:28 PM * JT-Shop pushed a tease for Tom_L
05:37 PM Tom_L: upper 40's overnite
05:38 PM JT-Shop: nothing like that here
05:39 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish> upper 70's here now. low 80's tomorrow
05:39 PM Tom_L: so what signal ties to axis_n_vel_per_min_lb?
05:39 PM XXCoder: ugh might reach 80s today f
05:39 PM JT-Shop: no signal is needed... you just have to name a label
05:39 PM XXCoder: couple days, rest of week ios 60s f
05:40 PM Tom_L: right but what signal is used?
05:41 PM JT-Shop: velocity
05:41 PM JT-Shop: from the axis dictionary
05:42 PM Tom_L: ok that only has 3 in it
05:42 PM Tom_L: min max pos and vel
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yup so vel * 60 == vel per min
05:44 PM Tom_L: the one from motion combines them to an overall cartesian velocity
05:44 PM JT-Shop: but that's not in the python interface
05:44 PM Tom_L: nope
05:45 PM Tom_L: i may have to add another tab.. running out of test space
05:45 PM JT-Shop: lool
05:45 PM Tom_L: is that spindle stuff the % slider you tested?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: yeah but it's not pushed, I was trying to see if there is a more pythonic way to do it
05:46 PM Tom_L: where did you find spindle_actual_speed?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: I made
05:46 PM JT-Shop: it
05:47 PM Tom_L: jt's bag-o-goodies
05:47 PM JT-Shop: commanded speed * override = actual
05:48 PM Tom_L: ok
05:50 PM Tom_L: i get mine off an encoder so that's out
05:53 PM Tom_L: unless it tied to a hal_pin input :)
05:56 PM JT-Shop: I get the hint LOL
05:56 PM Tom_L: hahaha
05:56 PM Tom_L: the sky is the limit then
05:56 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:57 PM JT-Shop: except for ass wipes on the forum
05:57 PM Tom_L: you flushed him
05:58 PM Tom_L: you do notice i haven't been riding you about the plotter....
05:58 PM Tom_L: but i haven't forgotten it either :)
05:58 PM Tom_L: that's gonna be a real challence i think
05:58 PM Tom_L: g
05:59 PM JT-Shop: gonna be fun but I want to pick the low fruit first
06:00 PM Tom_L: looking at the webpage.. i think you should bold the section titles
06:00 PM Tom_L: not the grey bar but below that
06:00 PM Tom_L: same font size as the widgets
06:00 PM JT-Shop: I don't think you can do that in sphinx
06:00 PM Tom_L: oh
06:00 PM Tom_L: you can.. i see "Note:" in bold
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06:01 PM Tom_dev: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/flexgui/labels.html#axis-status
06:01 PM JT-Shop: that's a note not a section title
06:01 PM Tom_L: oh
06:01 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
06:01 PM Tom_L: later
06:02 PM Tom_L: that note doesn't say what will be...
06:02 PM Tom_L: just saw that
06:03 PM Tom_L: oh nevermind..
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://linuxgizmos.com/updated-banana-pi-announces-bpi-f3-risc-v-development-board-with-2-tops-ai-performance/ $63.16 for the 2GB RAM/8GB eMMC model and $73.69 for the 4GB RAM/8GB eMMC model.
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/BPI-F3/BananaPi_BPI-F3
07:09 PM roycroft: ssh curator
07:09 PM roycroft: ack
07:11 PM rdtsc_away is now known as rdtsc
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> got one headlight wired up...
07:17 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> getting there with the wiring
07:18 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/pPhosJFkpxwVIGoaBuMqecnU/PXL_20240508_235818620.jpg
07:29 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I actually bought some tesa tape... Seems nice
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/SBSyTAyOYfzfGWEljQlRSkZb/PXL_20240509_002909768.MP.jpg
07:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> that is way better than the rpi4
07:36 PM XXCoder: restored headlight I see
07:40 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
07:40 PM rdtsc_away is now known as rdtsc
07:44 PM XXCoder: interesting. mostly printed lathe https://youtu.be/mA5jHT-Nwxs
07:45 PM solarwind: People like to fear monger about heroin addiction
07:45 PM solarwind: but coffee is so much worse
07:46 PM solarwind: if you stop abruptly, you get headaches for days constantly
07:46 PM solarwind: opioids never hut me :\
08:01 PM XXCoder: interesting lathe project indeed, though I would have bolted it down or something
08:11 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> what is it>?
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> @ solarwind sounds like you werent taking enough. i remember the giant shit you take once a month to be pretty painful
08:14 PM solarwind: big_kevin420 proper fibre intake counters that
08:14 PM solarwind: opioids slow down the digestive tract, but all you need to do is compensate with additional soluble and insoluble fibre
08:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> its less about the heroin, and more about the fentayl/the life style thats the real thing that hurts you
08:16 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> and when you are in that lifestyle, you dont think about fiber
08:16 PM solarwind: regarding lifestyle: nailed it
08:17 PM solarwind: also street drugs have LOTS of contaminants and other junk
08:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> oh man i miss the good ol days
08:17 PM solarwind: pure heroin and opioids are completely harmless when used responsibly
08:17 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> when me n rush limbah would buy a cigatr box full of oxy80's
08:17 PM solarwind: but because of the fuckin assholes getting addicted to pain meds, it makes it harder for the rest of us
08:19 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> all i know is, everythime i think about it, it hurts my stomatch. psychosomatic shit
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> @skunkworks https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/50653-comparison-between-raspian-12-bookworm-on-raspberry-pi-4-and-raspberry-pi-5#285240
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> opps
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> @skunkworks https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/46289-which-ui?start=10#299664
08:24 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> save this list for later, thjats a good one
08:26 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> question for the full time cnc guys
08:27 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> do you guys ever use sfm/chipload while running the cnc?
08:27 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> obviously while programming, but after that,
08:27 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> yes - I use sfm on lathe
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah lathe i understand
08:28 PM solarwind: No, I only use mm/sec
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> but for a milling machine
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> lol
08:28 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah yeah
08:28 PM solarwind: and yes all the time because carbide inserts are not cheap
08:29 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> on a mill you use it while in the middle of cutting>?
08:29 PM solarwind: and they work much better if you stick to their surface speed and depth specs
08:29 PM solarwind: well not right the middle of a move
08:29 PM solarwind: but you set up the limits for that, no?
08:30 PM solarwind: I don't see any reason for changing it in the middle of an operation unless you notice you're pushing it too hard or the material is a bit harder than you thought or whatever
08:30 PM Tom_L: sfm is more a lathe thing i think
08:30 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> i program a speed/feed based on chipload and sfm/rpm
08:30 PM solarwind: Tom_L definitely not
08:30 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah, i fuigured.
08:30 PM solarwind: it's important for any face mill
08:30 PM Tom_L: chip load is both
08:30 PM solarwind: super important
08:30 PM solarwind: surface finish on face mills is strongly affected by cutting speed
08:31 PM solarwind: I spent like a month testing this and wrote a calculator for it and all that
08:31 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> just while my program is running, ive never felt the need to check my sfm/chipload as oppossed to rpm/feed
08:31 PM Tom_L: why when you got fswizzard?
08:31 PM solarwind: big_kevin420 they're related
08:31 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> im just wondering if its me, of if it is the children who are out of touch
08:31 PM solarwind: you call it RPM/feed per tooth
08:32 PM solarwind: I call it f_z and v_c
08:32 PM solarwind: depends on cutter diameter and speed of course
08:32 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah, i know, its my day job also. im just wondering if the mill guys ever needed if mid program
08:32 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> like on the cnc controller
08:32 PM solarwind: can't think of a reason unless someone swapped out your mild steel with maraging steel
08:33 PM Tom_L: unless the cutter is screaming at you and you feel like changing it
08:33 PM solarwind: mangalloy*
08:33 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> thats what i was thinking too... why would you even need it on a mill? most of the time you can only dial it in 10% at a time
08:33 PM Tom_L: adjust hte feed/speed to get better results then fix the cam post
08:34 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah same
08:34 PM * solarwind replaces all of Tom_L 's metal with mangalloy just to ruin all his cutters
08:34 PM Tom_L: solarwind, i'll say it's more commonly addressed on a lathe since you vary the spindle speed as you approach the center
08:35 PM solarwind: yeah, mine has constant surface speed functions
08:35 PM Tom_L: so did the okuma i ran
08:35 PM Tom_L: but you'd better set limits
08:35 PM Tom_L: or the tail stock would whip off the foundation
08:36 PM Tom_L: there are plenty of those YT to watch
08:36 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> ok, cool. i was wondering if there was an actual reason you might want it on a mill gui
08:37 PM Tom_L: what's that?
08:37 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> an sfm/chipload load display
08:38 PM solarwind: Yeah: it's cool to know
08:38 PM solarwind: it's good information to have for sure
08:38 PM Tom_L: yeah, you can better follow the mfg suggestions if you have it
08:38 PM solarwind: My DRO shows it
08:38 PM Tom_L: jt is working on that too
08:39 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah, but my cam does it for me, so ive never felt the urge to see what it was while running
08:40 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> i was just wondering if other people needed it for some reason
08:40 PM Tom_L: most of them do
08:40 PM Tom_L: maybe on a first run part where you want to see improvement
08:40 PM solarwind: big_kevin420 please don't pull an Apple
08:40 PM solarwind: removing information
08:40 PM solarwind: might as well get rid of the whole display
08:41 PM solarwind: I promise you, even an idiot machinist is smart enough to see that information
08:41 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> it just needs to be 3 buttons
08:41 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> cycle start, stop and door open
08:41 PM solarwind: I guarantee his head won't explode
08:41 PM Tom_L: naw, just 2
08:41 PM Tom_L: door open would stop it
08:42 PM Tom_L: unless it's like 70% of the machines out there
08:42 PM Tom_L: where it's been disabled
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> yeah i like that
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> i try toopen it all the time while its running
08:42 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> by accident
09:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/flexgui/screenshots/
09:16 PM Tom_L: more a testbed than ui for now
09:20 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
09:27 PM rdtsc_away is now known as rdtsc
09:31 PM bjorkintosh: speaking of twisters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm27YjLnPHc
09:32 PM bjorkintosh: complete with all the CGI a screen can handle.
09:35 PM Tom_L: follow up of twister?
09:35 PM bjorkintosh: somefink like that.
09:35 PM bjorkintosh: but with CGI
09:35 PM bjorkintosh: and no doubt, a sprinkling of AI shite.
09:36 PM Tom_L: same hicks
09:37 PM Tom_L: i can look out my back door and see that on a good day.. why would i watch it?
09:37 PM bjorkintosh: for the CGI
09:37 PM bjorkintosh: and sound effects.
09:37 PM bjorkintosh: and also, the drama and story arcs
09:37 PM roycroft: life is going to get interesting in a bit
09:38 PM bjorkintosh: how?
09:38 PM Tom_L: for you or everyone?
09:38 PM roycroft: i can movw my fingers a little, which means the nerve blocker is wearing off
09:38 PM Tom_L: so you know you're alive now ehh?
09:39 PM roycroft: i've known that
09:39 PM roycroft: alive but with a wet noodle for an arm
09:39 PM Tom_L: left or right?
09:39 PM roycroft: left, non-dominant
09:40 PM Tom_L: that's a plus at least
09:40 PM roycroft: yes
10:04 PM rdtsc is now known as rdtsc_away
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: did they work on your arm today?
10:59 PM roycroft: yes
11:00 PM roycroft: the procedure was a success
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: \o/
11:00 PM roycroft: but the nerve blocker is starting to wear off
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: hope you get some sleep tonight
11:03 PM roycroft: i have ibuprofin and oxycodone on stand-by
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: my oncologist didn't want to see me for 6 months, so he thinks we beat it this time
11:03 PM roycroft: but a night of discomfort is worth it
11:03 PM roycroft: nice
11:04 PM CaptHindsight: being sick is no fun
11:04 PM roycroft: that's a bigger deal than a fracture
11:05 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/RoyBorg.jpeg
11:05 PM CaptHindsight: man of titanium
11:06 PM roycroft: hopefully the nanoprobes are circulating now
11:08 PM roycroft: if the implant is bothersome i can have it removed in a year, but that would entail another 12-week recovery and rehab
11:08 PM roycroft: so i hope it's not too bothersome
11:08 PM CaptHindsight: so it can stay in if it doesn't bother you
11:08 PM roycroft: yes
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Preoperative-2-and-3-D-CT-scan-showing-a-C1-type-wrist-fracture-according-to-the-AO_fig2_263897110 caution pictures
11:12 PM XXCoder: thousands man ;)
11:13 PM roycroft: i can move each finger independently now, and there is some feeling in my fingers
11:14 PM roycroft: it won't be much longer before i have feeling in my wrist
11:14 PM XXCoder: good. nanobots is reconnecting nerves
11:14 PM roycroft: yes
11:15 PM roycroft: and more importantly, seeking out and destroying the bill gates spy chips that i got with my covid vaccines
11:16 PM XXCoder: what you dont want good 5g connectivity everywhere?
11:16 PM * roycroft wants those gone
11:16 PM waterppk: they're not spy chips, they're CONTROL chips!!
11:16 PM waterppk: . . . /s
11:19 PM roycroft: don't bing me, bro!
11:21 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: how moved were you before the injury?
11:21 PM CaptHindsight: moved as in movers, moving truck, not emotions
11:24 PM roycroft: not at all
11:25 PM roycroft: i was still remodeling
11:26 PM roycroft: this injury is only going to cost me about $750 in medical bills, but i can't lift things any more, so it's going to cost thousands to hire movers
11:27 PM roycroft: and i won't finish the remodeling before i move
11:30 PM roycroft: the room i'm working on needs a final coat of paint, then floor tile, then i'll call it good and start the house move