#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 19 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
08:21 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> * section of his github repo,
08:33 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> landlord101 ask your questions, i'll help if i can.
08:33 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> NoSpark: that repo has a remora like "PRU", it seems like it would work well for an open loop mill. Lathe i'm not sure, i don't think he has spindle encoder support working so G33/G95 may not work.
08:35 AM Jym: Morning
08:36 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Jym!
08:37 AM Jym: skunkworks howdy howdy =)
08:37 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Hi from STL
08:38 AM Jym: JT Well, we are in the same TZ for a change, lol
08:39 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Yuo move east
08:40 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> You
08:40 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Heading to Pahrump
08:46 AM Jym: JT You taking a road trip on the spyder?
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Spyder long gone
08:47 AM Jym: My mistake, I thought STL was Seattle airport, not St Louis
08:47 AM Jym: JT oh bummer, got tired of it?
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> 1. Platform io is unable to find python interpreter even tho python is installed and is working correctly and i trying linking python executable manually too.
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: 2. I have done step conf but i don't know what to do next with the hal or ini files and about connecting to esp32 board
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: 3. What to do with other files in that project
08:47 AM lcnc-relay: 4. Would you be able to help me setting it up.
08:48 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> platformio should ship with it's own python
08:48 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Ran out of room
08:49 AM Jym: JT HAHAHAHA, you built that big old warehouse of a shop, and "no room"
08:49 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> landlord101 I think step 1 for you should be to get a simple blink programed on your esp32 with platformio
08:50 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I have done that on windows, but platform io is not working on linuxcnc
08:50 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Will i be able to flash using windows?
08:50 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> sure
08:51 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> there are also pre-compiled binaries
08:51 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Because there is something problematic with platform io unable to find interpreter
08:51 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> What would be the easiest plan of action
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I need
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for spindle turning on
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 X stepper motor and limit
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 Z stepper motor and limit
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 spindle inductive probe
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for moving Turret
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for turret home
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for turret next
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for coolant
08:54 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for oiling
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> you have a lathe?
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I need
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for spindle relay
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 X stepper motor and limit
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 Z stepper motor and limit
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 spindle inductive probe
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for Turret relay
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for turret home
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for turret next
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for coolant relay
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: 1 pin for oiling relay
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Yes
08:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> I don't think any of the esp32 stuff supports spindle sync
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Okay
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: But other stuff?
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> like, if you are newbie maybe mesa...
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> there is "other stuff" but if you can't get platformio working on linux you may struggle
08:56 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I cant get it over here
08:57 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Where is here?
08:57 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Do i just need platform io for flashing mcu or its required for other stuff too?
08:58 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> you need spindle sync if you are doing lathe. i don't think you want to be running g94
09:00 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Okay
09:00 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> how are you going to do the spindle encoder? You have a "probe", are you trying to do one pulse per revolution of your spindle?
09:01 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> What about this?
09:01 AM Jym: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23GRQZtu9wE
09:02 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Even if i let that be, keeping threading aside
09:02 AM lcnc-relay: How would i implement other stuff
09:04 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> when I set it up I happened to have a MKS-DLC32 so I didn't have to muck with the configuration much
09:04 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> what esp32 board are you using?
09:05 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> and what are you using for the linuxcnc side, a pi, or a x86 box?
09:06 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I have a PC and mks dlc32 , tinybee, esp32, esp8266
09:07 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> do you have an ethernet breakout like W5500?
09:07 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Yes
09:07 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> https://github.com/wezhunter/ESP32_LinuxCNC_MotionController_RealTime/blob/main/docs/Wiring.md
09:07 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Yes
09:08 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> if you setup the DLC32 you need to wire up the W5500. the pins used are a bit wonky.
09:08 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I know but after i made step conf, what to do next
09:08 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I have a breakout cable
09:09 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> you need to build/flash and then check that you can ping the w5500
09:10 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> there is an env for it for platformio
09:11 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> er, there was
09:11 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Jym did you move?
09:11 AM Jym: JT No, I'm still in Calif, I just thought STL was SEATTLE is all
09:13 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> STL is the St Louis Airport
09:14 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Can I build from windows?
09:14 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> And flash
09:14 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> yes, but i'm not sure what he did with the dlc32 env
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> It still uses esp32
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> So i think i can flash it
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> it used to look like this in platformio.ini
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: [env:esp32-mks-dlc32]
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: platform = ${common.platform}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: board_build.f_cpu = ${common.f_cpu}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: monitor_speed = ${common.monitor_speed}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: upload_speed = ${common.upload_speed}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: monitor_port = ${common.monitor_port}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: upload_protocol = ${common.upload_protocol}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: upload_port = ${common.upload_port}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: monitor_filters = ${common.monitor_filters}
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: board = esp32doit-devkit-v1
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: framework = arduino
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: platform_packages = framework-arduinoespressif32@https://github.com/espressif/arduino-esp32.git#2.0.14
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: build_flags =
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: -D ESP32_SPI_ETHERNET
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: -D ARDUINO_ESP32_MKS_DLC32
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: -D CONFIG_ETH_SPI_ETHERNET_W5500
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: ;-D CORE_DEBUG_LEVEL=5
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: -O3
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: lib_deps =
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: gin66/FastAccelStepper@^0.30.11
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: AsyncTCP
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: AsyncUDP_ESP32_Ethernet
09:16 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> but he changed it, so i'm not really sure what env you should use.
09:18 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> that build flag pulled in the pin configuration needed.... so maybe you should create a github issue and ask him how you should configure it for DLC32
09:19 AM Jym: JT, Yeah, I mucked up and confused the two is all, LMAO
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Okay
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> We will be closer in a few hours after we land at LAS
09:21 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> @landlord the one i built was commit: d59fdf6b7197a5a2dfe7c4d66053855c68e6bfe5
09:22 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> https://github.com/wezhunter/ESP32_LinuxCNC_MotionController_RealTime/tree/d59fdf6b7197a5a2dfe7c4d66053855c68e6bfe5
09:23 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> if you check that commit out you can at least use the DLC32 env and flash it from windows.
09:24 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> then make sure you can ping the W5500 from the linux box
09:24 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> after that you will need to use the sample config and hal component ( you have to halcompile --install it) and if all is good you should be able to take it out of estop
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Okay
09:25 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I need to play with that - big_kevin420 gave me hardware but it is still sitting behind me at work..
09:26 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> skunkworks8841 what "that"
09:27 AM Jym: JT VIVA LOST WAGES
09:27 AM Jym: What's out in Pahrump ??
09:27 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Okay
09:27 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> Checking and getting back to you.
09:28 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> bunch of hardware - one being a stm32nucleo
09:28 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> https://www.springmountainmotorsports.com/facility
09:31 AM Jym: JT Very nice, are you racing? If so, in what?
09:32 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Going to C8 performance driving school
09:33 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> We get track time with an instructor in front
09:33 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Nice!
09:34 AM Jym: JT oh that's awesome, be sure to get lots of video =)
09:37 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> The performance data recorder runs all the time the car is running
09:39 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JsWPKL3UObE
09:40 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OT3dEFAWvs
09:40 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> That's what the PDR records
09:44 AM bjorkintosh: <JT> is it a yearly training thing?
09:45 AM Jym: JT it's only $1000 ??????????
09:45 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> No, it's a one time thing. There are more advanced courses you can take after the COS
09:46 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Jym you gotta buy a new C8 to get the $1000 price LOL
09:46 AM Jym: JT IF you don't mind, what's it costing you?
09:47 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> Nice! I am a HDPE instructor, not with the Ron Fellows school but mostly with the BMWCCA. Haven't been in a C8 yet, quite a few C6 and C7.
09:47 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> $1000 plus air, car etc
09:47 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> Weekend school or 1 day?
09:48 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> 2 days
09:48 AM Jym: JT Oh, the $1000 said it was all inclusive (car, fuel, tires, etc)
09:48 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> They have 3 per week
09:49 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> Very nice. I find 2 days is the right time to get a student to the next level. 1 day isn't enough.
09:49 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Rental car from LAS
09:50 AM Jym: JT Rent a corvette for racing school... I think you need the FULL coverage insurance
09:50 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Zincboy the C8 is so different than the C5
09:51 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Renting a Dodge charger
09:51 AM Jym: When you return the car, hand them the bumper, and "this is all that's left"
09:51 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> I can believe it.
09:51 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> No thanks
09:52 AM Jym: I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't happened before though.
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> JT, how long did mesact take you?
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> to get a working version?
09:53 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Quite a while and two versions
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> i havn't used it but i've been pondering the idea space... how do you think about multiple halfile's vs one big halfile?
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> You would have to look at the first commit for mesact1
09:54 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Boarding in a few minutes
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I like one big hal file.
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> (other than anthing that goes into postgui..)
09:55 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> the problem is: how are you able to customize the ouptu of a tool like mesa act without breaking everything
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> I want to use a bunch of smaller HAL files for ease of understanding but usually end up with one big one 🙂
09:56 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> Looks like I started 2 years ago
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> July 17 2022
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> that has always been a problem. Most of the time - configurators can't do everything. (atleast yet)
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> so linuxcnc-rio has to do all sorts of generation, and i'm finding that as soon as you customize the hal it is hard to reason about the generated version vs the custom version.
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> even the c hal component is generated
09:57 AM lcnc-relay: <JT> I break the Hal files up with main and io
09:58 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> is the mesa hal component monolythic?
10:04 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> does pncconf output multiple hal files?
10:06 AM skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox36b5IfK8c
10:06 AM skunkworks: Have to roll back - they demoed a coal plant near me
10:39 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> are there any alternatives to .ini and .hal for configuration?
10:42 AM jpa-: not really, there are applications that generate .ini and .hal for simple cases, but they are the fundamental method of configuring linuxcnc
10:43 AM jpa-: you could replace .hal with some python code or even shell script calling halcmd, but not much point in it
10:45 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> my brain keeps suggesting that erlang/elixir would be a better paired language over python but I know that ain't going anywhere.
10:46 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> OTP is just such a great paradigm for control planes
10:46 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> is that thought completely insane?
10:47 AM jpa-: i have 0% knowledge of erlang, but linuxcnc itself has quite well defined APIs and very modular design
10:47 AM Tom_L: JT you should have rented a viper :)
10:47 AM Jym: skunkworks More direct link... https://youtu.be/Ox36b5IfK8c?t=1102
10:47 AM jpa-: so it would be easy to prototype if you are interested
10:48 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> maybe fun, the nice thing about erlang/beam/elixir is that it is designed for high concurrency and fault tolerance.
10:48 AM jpa-: running erlang in the realtime kernel modules might be a long stretch though
10:49 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> and you can bind to c for stuff that needs to be fast, it doesn't have the GC problems python does
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> according to the autor of erlang "Erlang was designed for programming telephone exchanges - we wanted
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: response times of milliseconds for simple requests. We also didn't want
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: long lived computations to block computations that could be performed
10:51 AM lcnc-relay: immediately - so each process gets an equal time slice of the CPU.*"*
10:53 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> so is rtapi hard real time or soft real time?
10:55 AM jpa-: i would call it hard, and with servo loop running at 1 kHz typically, each HAL component should run in microseconds
10:56 AM jpa-: though in the case of linuxcnc, missing the deadlines typically just throws up a warning message and just results in some path inaccuracies instead of a catastrophe; especially if hardware watchdog is used, like in most mesa cards
11:24 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/SVBhyBDqCgfgsJWGwNXgUVld/image.png
11:24 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> I got these errors
11:25 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> landlord101 why are you building the simulator?
11:26 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> also, you don't seem to have the commit i showed you checked out
11:26 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> do you understand what platformio envs are?
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> No i dont
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> i need to build src?
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> ok, if you build "default" env it will try to build all the envs
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> if you click on the platformio icon (on the left, the alien face thingy) you should see the build options.
11:27 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> the different environment
11:28 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> you should be building env:esp32-mks-dlc32
11:28 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> but in your screenshot you have spi, rmii, wowiki
11:28 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> so that means you are on "master" and not that commit i showed you
11:29 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> do you know how to use git and check out a specific commit hash?
11:29 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> can i dm you?
11:31 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/LlholYnxqoFlBySZFMvLLuAG/image.png
11:31 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> here?
11:31 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> yes, you see below it says "esp32-spi-ethernet"
11:32 AM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> open that up, and try to build that. but again, I don't think it has the pins mapped for the DLC32 so you have the wrong commit checked out
11:33 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> how do i change the commit
11:37 AM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> i am building that now
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/gxwlARIZQfXiaZkgovcRXTEl/image.png
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> fast stepper is downloaded but not building
12:01 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/nUBVAqdKBwmtmxmyYLiWANLQ/image.png
01:03 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> did you clean it after you checked out the older version that has the DLC32 stuff?
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> ESP32SX_USB_ETHERNET should not be defined
01:04 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> so odd that it is trying to compile that
01:15 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> i just downloaded the commit u suggested and opened as a new window
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> in the env there is a button called "clean"
01:16 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> run that and then run build again
01:18 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> its giving the same error
01:21 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> anything from release would be helpful?
01:25 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> would u share ur build?
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> is it the exact same error?
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> did you run clean?
02:16 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> maybe you need to run clean_all
02:22 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> yes i did that too
02:22 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> do u have bin file?
02:26 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> i don't think the bin file helps you
02:26 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> but if you need one ask wez on github
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> okay
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> was the error exactly the same as previously?
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> yes
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> if it downloading fastaccelstepper it should be able to compile
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> cn u check dm?
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> i'm not dm'ing
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> okay
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> i thought i would screen share
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> can you flash a blinky sketch? try to get that working, then we know platformio is working.
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> sure
02:29 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> then you can try to flash one of the fastaccelstepper examples.
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> break it down into simple steps, eliminate complexity
02:31 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> is it included somewhere? or i need to make it
02:31 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> also, expect a very steep and frustrating learning curve. Linuxcnc isn't for the faint of heart.
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> if you can't get platformio working I don't think you have a chance with lcnc. that and the fact that what you are working on will not really work for your lathe until wez tests g33/g95/g96/g97
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> google or gemini for exp32 blinky
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> "platformio esp32 blinky"
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> the github repo for fastaccelstepper has examples
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <landlord101> okay
02:33 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> on the + side, your about to learn a ton of shit 😉
02:54 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> https://youtube.com/shorts/xH69rPqpBL8?si=CdYCFbgEGt0wsY_4
02:54 PM XXCoder: now thats large threading lol
03:33 PM roycroft: speaking of large threading, abom finally finished machining his new vise
03:34 PM roycroft: and he says it works perfectly
03:34 PM roycroft: but he is going to turn a new screw for it anyway, just because, i guess
03:49 PM Tom_L: sounds like something roycroft would do
03:59 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/O78sZr8GhCg scarly woobly lathe'
04:14 PM Loetmichel: *AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!1111* 10 pieces combined 40+hr 3d-print. Last done, another check if it fits on the part before sending it. Moooment! Shouldn't the slot be on the other side? Mirrored it accidentally. 700gr of PLA -> Trash :-(
04:15 PM XXCoder: ow
04:15 PM XXCoder: check twice, print once lol
04:17 PM Loetmichel: I did. Just didnt notice that it was mirrored the whole time.
04:21 PM XXCoder: ouch lol
04:21 PM Loetmichel: Ti still fits. Just the slope on the part is in the wrong direction
04:26 PM XXCoder: Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypitKDr928
04:27 PM Loetmichel: nah thanks
04:28 PM XXCoder: lol ok
04:32 PM roycroft: it's not something i would do
04:32 PM roycroft: if i saw a benefit to remaking something i would
04:32 PM Tom_L: send it to Au maybe they can use it since it's reversed
04:39 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> i was wondering how well pla would work for making machinists wax with paraffin
04:39 PM XXCoder: hah tom
04:54 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
04:54 PM Unterhausen: Neighbor sold their house after listing it last week.
04:55 PM roycroft: i got a great deal on my place because the seller wanted cash only
04:55 PM roycroft: he wanted to close really fast and did not want to wait for financing
04:56 PM roycroft: i made an offer after it had been on the market for 8 days, and told him we can close fast, but he would have to accept financing
04:56 PM roycroft: he reluctantly agreed, and my mortgage loan officer was able to close in almost record time
04:57 PM roycroft: if it had been listed as financeable it probably would have sold the first day
05:01 PM Unterhausen: lucky
05:01 PM Unterhausen: After we looked up how much zillow thinks our house is worth, they definitely under-priced by 100k
05:02 PM Unterhausen: Or at least 50
05:02 PM Unterhausen: No good for me, no room for a shop
05:03 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> either inflation goes up a lot more or real estate prices will drop
05:05 PM roycroft: real estate prices will probably hold steady, but as interest rates go down this summer there will be more inventory
05:05 PM roycroft: prices may go down somewhat when that happens
05:05 PM roycroft: but i think houses are going to stay expensive
05:08 PM Unterhausen: I have seen house prices go down, but it's on more marginal properties ususally
05:08 PM Unterhausen: like our house
05:09 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SEXRNSA
05:10 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> it is cheaper to rent a 10k/mo house vs buy in seattle eastside
05:12 PM roycroft: yes, that's usually the case
05:13 PM roycroft: in my case, my new mortgage is cheaper than rent
05:18 PM Unterhausen: I was looking at the prices of the houses around my mother's house. I could easily have bought the whole block
05:19 PM Unterhausen: Prices have gone up since then though.
05:20 PM Unterhausen: But we sold her house for 70k less than she bought it for, lost more than half
05:20 PM Unterhausen: when we closed, it was one of the happier days of my life
05:37 PM bjorkintosh: Unterhausen, rust belt area?
05:38 PM Unterhausen: I have seen it in places like that too, but it was in Lynchburg VA
05:39 PM Unterhausen: most of the nice housing is out of town
05:40 PM Unterhausen: we saw some $10k houses in Toledo, great location, bad neighborhood
05:44 PM bjorkintosh: Toledo, Ohio?
05:44 PM bjorkintosh: very rustbelted.
05:55 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> skunkworks8841 i have more hardware to go with that i will send you, once im done testing
06:04 PM solarwind: Hello friends, here is a random video I made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVbPRJKRbw
06:05 PM solarwind: it has nothing to do with machining or CNC, but if it can somehow be connected to that, please feel free to suggest :)
06:06 PM solarwind: yes, that is wood chips from the dust collector and I forgot that most of it is pressure treated and toxic for everyone in that video
06:07 PM solarwind: they all died from respiratory damage
06:08 PM solarwind: I mean over the course of many months. I don't know the extent of the damage to my own lungs given that I had to handle it every week to change the bedding
06:09 PM bjorkintosh: 'everyone'.
06:09 PM bjorkintosh: I was confused for a second.
06:10 PM solarwind: I had to euthanize them near the end, it was progressive and slow
06:11 PM solarwind: when the constant wheezing started, like they were struggling to breathe, I had to dose them with diethyl ether
06:12 PM solarwind: autopsy showed fluid in the lungs in all subjects
06:13 PM bjorkintosh: you had a lot of time on your hands.
06:13 PM solarwind: I don't have kids :)
06:14 PM solarwind: some people like to waste time watching football, I spend it instead educating myself
06:14 PM bjorkintosh: you could have been a monk.
06:15 PM solarwind: I don't think I have the mental discipline for that
06:18 PM solarwind: also have you seen the gasoline prices lately? who can afford to pour it all over themselves like that!?
06:20 PM bjorkintosh: with donations...
06:20 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Gm21
06:24 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1O2TnjiA5g
06:24 PM * Tom_L waits for reactions
06:25 PM XXCoder: is it 100 mpg or better?
06:28 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> ai_youtuber
06:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> the 62 chevy needs a carb clean.. I added an electric fuel pump - rapped on the carb and heard the fload let loose and allow fuel to flow - but jets must be plugged.. It still only runs on starter fluid. So I have to fine an overhaul kit for a really old carb.. LOL
06:45 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I think I can find it.
06:49 PM Unterhausen: I'd be more interested in knowing how that toyota hydrogen ice compares to other hydrogen tech,
06:56 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> toyota never really bought into this electric shit anyways
06:57 PM roycroft: toyota are still pushing hybrids as superior to evs
06:58 PM roycroft: i guess that's a good position to take when you're one of innovators of modern hybrid vehicle technology (diesel locomotives have been hybrids since the 1930s), and make arguably the best, more reliable hybrid vehicles
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> no, show me a hyrdrogen hydrolosis car, like in the movie the saint
06:59 PM roycroft: i'd rather have a flux capacitor
06:59 PM roycroft: that's a fun way to recycle beer cans
06:59 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> id rather work from home
07:00 PM * roycroft does work fro mhome
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> or
07:00 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> zero point energy
07:01 PM roycroft: so you'd rather be a cat?
07:01 PM roycroft: they're very good at zero point energy
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> or some kind of anti gravity spaceship stuff
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> making the new s curve trajectory planner obsolute, you wouldnt need it anymore on cnc
07:02 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/llODNkEXVzPZavwEKrhnlzSj/PXL_20240320_000136645.jpg
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> a bit of crud
07:03 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> and corrosion.. gas smells like varnish
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> ok, here is the pitch
07:04 PM lcnc-relay: <big_kevin420> attatch a spindle....to a drone
07:10 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> many axis
07:12 PM roycroft: anti gravity is also easy if you're a cat
07:12 PM roycroft: spread butter on the back of a cat and then drop it
07:27 PM Tom_L: tape on the paws is good entertainment too
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> looks like an overhaul kit is around 30 dollars
08:13 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> with the accellerator pump
09:00 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Cheap enough
09:05 PM Tom_L: so how long is each session?
09:05 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> 8am to 4pm
09:05 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> With an hour for lunch
09:06 PM Tom_L: does sw pack you in like a sardine? i know the others do
09:08 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Not too bad if you're not sitting next to a 300 pounder
09:08 PM Tom_L: oh that's right you said they don't assign seats
09:08 PM Tom_L: that's a plus
09:09 PM roycroft: so don't fly sw in the deep south )
09:09 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Yup but the boarding is done by group and group c is last
09:09 PM Tom_L: hmm
09:10 PM Tom_L: my gripe is carry on especially if you have a short time between ajoining flights
09:10 PM Tom_L: we usually try to check everything
09:11 PM roycroft: i don't fly any more, but i've been reading that checked baggage is getting extremely expensive
09:11 PM Tom_L: it is
09:12 PM Tom_L: you can wait and check at the gate, they usually have a call for that for free if you check your carry on
09:13 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> We have 2 club glove carry on that's perfect for short trips
09:13 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Sw you can check in 24 hours in advance
09:14 PM roycroft: i like the views from a plane at altitude, but other than that i've never enjoyed flying
09:14 PM roycroft: it was easy to give it up
09:14 PM Tom_L: delta lets you do that
09:15 PM Tom_L: only one flight i didn't like was when my ear popped and i blame the rookie pilot that decompressed too quick
09:16 PM Tom_L: that was an overall bad flight thru a storm etc
09:17 PM * roycroft wonders why his nfs writes are varying from 32MB/s to 1.6GB/s
09:17 PM roycroft: on machines with almost no other load
09:17 PM Tom_L: file sizes?
09:17 PM roycroft: it's a 350GB disk image that i'm migrating
09:17 PM roycroft: so a single file
09:18 PM roycroft: but it's a sparse file, so that may account for the difference, if the backup utility is smart
09:18 PM roycroft: the grill is hot and i'm hungry
09:19 PM roycroft: this copy is 88% done, and i'd like to get the restore started before i head to the grill
09:19 PM roycroft: so i could use more of those 1GB+ write bursts
09:20 PM lcnc-relay: <JT> Time to call it a night after 16 hours
09:20 PM roycroft: that's a long day
09:21 PM * roycroft has been working for 12-1/2 hours today so far, though, with probably another 4-5 hours to go
09:21 PM Tom_L: have fun tomorrow
09:22 PM roycroft: it seems stuck at 88%
09:22 PM roycroft: i think it's the watched kettle never boils syndrome
09:23 PM Tom_L: bad sectors?
09:23 PM roycroft: so i'll go make dinner
09:23 PM roycroft: doubtful - it's zfs on both the local host and the nfs server
09:35 PM bjorkintosh: a watched kettle never boils *over*
09:46 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I smell like varnish.. (old gas)
09:47 PM roycroft: i made dinner in the meantime
09:47 PM roycroft: it's up to 94% now
09:48 PM roycroft: and stupid me did not start a tmux session when starting this migration, so i can't go in the living room to watch tv while monitoring on a laptop
09:49 PM roycroft: i have to sit in the office at least until this step is complete
09:50 PM roycroft: i think i have too much festools now, btw
09:50 PM XXCoder: just dont spill drink on keyboard lol
09:50 PM roycroft: i've been thinking about my new shop project, and framing the roof, and the thought came to me that i could use dominos to help align the rafters
09:50 PM roycroft: i am NOT going to do that
09:51 PM roycroft: but it's scary that the idea even came into my mind
09:53 PM roycroft: aah, it's compressing the data, even though i did not tell it to
09:53 PM roycroft: that would account for how slow it is
10:08 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, soak it in some berryman chem dip overnite
10:27 PM lcnc-relay: <schoch_> what would cause a tool change to exceed axis/joint max_velocity?
11:12 PM * roycroft is not going to finish tonight
11:12 PM roycroft: the first vm image is still restoring
11:12 PM roycroft: and i have another one just as big to do still