#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 23 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:31 AM solarwind: Hmmm, 1 bar doesn't sound like much until you realize it's 10 tons / m^2
12:42 AM roycroft: air can hurt you too
12:42 AM roycroft: some people say not to worry about the air
12:42 AM roycroft: some people never had experience with air
12:42 AM solarwind: a lot easier to visualize how those inflatable air jacks can lift huge machines
12:42 AM XXCoder: besides from pumping it in and out their bodies
12:42 AM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig38LXSaerE
01:23 AM Deejay: moin
01:32 AM solarwind: Deejay sleep with one eye open. One of these days this channel will not see your "moin"
01:32 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight I keep coming across your tests and comments regarding latency and CPU pinning lol
01:33 AM Deejay: goooood mooorning everyone!
01:35 AM solarwind: Modern x86 is a nightmare in terms of latency with all this SMI stuff you have to dig into
01:36 AM solarwind: I mean it's possible, but it takes a lot of effort to work backwards
01:36 AM solarwind: 1kHz servo thread with preempt_rt and hardware step gen is fine
01:37 AM solarwind: I haven't tested lathe threading or anything yet, but it _should_ be ok I hope
01:37 AM solarwind: But working backwards to disable all the latency causing stuff is hard
01:38 AM solarwind: Something like the raspberry pi running RT-Thread gives me far less than 1µs latency 100% of the time with jitter in the 100ns range
01:39 AM solarwind: Maybe I'll port linuxcnc to RT-Thread, who knows...
01:43 AM CaptHindsight: yup
01:53 AM jpa-: is it possible to run linux and rt-thread somehow in parallel (dedicated cores?)
02:04 AM solarwind: I'm not sure, I'll have to look into how the MMU is accessed and all that
02:05 AM solarwind: RT-Thread is a completely separate barebones microkernel OS
02:05 AM solarwind: it's the only open source microkernel hard RTOS
02:05 AM solarwind: but it does exactly what it's designed to do
02:07 AM jpa-: there is phoenix-rtos, but i haven't used it
02:07 AM solarwind: I haven't heard of this
02:07 AM solarwind: I'm definitely going to try it out
02:09 AM solarwind: It has far fewer "stars" on github compared to rt-thread https://github.com/RT-Thread/rt-thread
02:10 AM solarwind: The interesting part of it is "rt-thread smart" which is the microkernel version meant for applications processors
02:10 AM solarwind: that's what I need - a replacement for QNX
02:11 AM solarwind: It has lots of support and full Raspbery Pi support. And my latency tests show amazing results, like 1000x better than anything on x86
02:13 AM jpa-: IIRC rpi gpio + dma can have pretty predictable and nice timing too, i wonder if there is linuxcnc stepgen for rpi that would use it? similar to pi-blaster
02:32 AM Scopeuk: solarwind I think threadx recently got opensourced https://github.com/eclipse-threadx/threadx
02:33 AM Scopeuk: it used to be under microsoft as a cots solution
02:33 AM solarwind: threadx is not a microkernel
02:33 AM solarwind: it's meant to run on microcontrollers and we have a million RTOS for µC already
02:34 AM solarwind: RT-Thread Smart is a multiprocess microkernel like QNX
02:34 AM solarwind: It's a full disk os
02:36 AM mrec: I just had a look at a CNC machine, it uses a mitsubishi controller. On the screen I only see a cursor blinking so I guess it doesn't work anymore. The board has RX211C printed on, does anyone know about that one?
02:38 AM jpa-: one guess would be the EPROM starting to get bit rot
02:43 AM mrec: I think so too I wonder if I can replace the eeprom only or need to buy a new one
02:43 AM mrec: the whole thing is coated and looks like in good condition overall
02:46 AM jpa-: may be hard to find the data dump
02:46 AM mrec: 4mbit eeprom is on it ... hmm
02:46 AM jpa-: if it was operating intermittenly, you'd have some chance of getting a good dump with eprom reader, but if it no longer boots, that probably won't work
02:49 AM jpa-: i would start by measuring supply voltages to the chips though, power supplies are another common part to give out
02:50 AM mrec: if it's blinking I guess the bios itself should be okay
02:50 AM mrec: just the operating system / flash might be gone yes
02:50 AM jpa-: could be just the character generator IC working
02:51 AM mrec: NON is blinking
02:54 AM jpa-: if it is still borderline, modifying supply voltage might yield a good data dump in eprom reader
02:58 AM mrec: unfortunately that machine is in a factory, do you think it's viable to take all the electronics out of it and put it on a table?
02:59 AM jpa-: depends totally on construction, if it is modular, why not?
02:59 AM mrec: it would be better for me this is a mosquito infested place..
02:59 AM mrec: traditional taiwanese factory, the owner would be more than happy to have someone there using the machine
02:59 AM jpa-: could also try to figure out if the problem can be localized to e.g. the control panel unit, or the main unit
02:59 AM mrec: it should be the control panel, the servos powered up just fine it seems
03:00 AM mrec: the screen was burned in I just didn't get an amplified copy of anything that was burned in and saw that blinking cursor on the left top side
03:01 AM jpa-: it could also be that the control panel is a dumb serial terminal that's working ok, and the actual problem would reside in whatever should give data to that terminal
03:03 AM mrec: I don't think so it should give me a copy of the burned in screen ... there's a big X / Y / Z burned in
03:04 AM jpa-: https://dl.mitsubishielectric.com/dl/fa/document/manual/cnc/bnp-b2183(eng)/bnp-b2183(eng)k.pdf page 289 has some information
03:04 AM mrec: yes I saw that
03:05 AM mrec: but https://s3.amazonaws.com/i.snag.gy/CVuNGH.jpg
03:05 AM mrec: LED1 (NON) = blinking
03:05 AM mrec: LED6 = on
03:06 AM mrec: oh it's not non it's MON
03:06 AM mrec: Software operation check
03:06 AM jpa-: MON blinking is normal according to manual
03:06 AM mrec: Check 24VDC voltage, contact the mitsubishi service center
03:07 AM mrec: ah normal yes
03:07 AM jpa-: but RSD being on indicates some problem with "Sending to RIO unit"
03:07 AM mrec: yes
03:08 AM jpa-: you could try disconnecting R-IO cable and see if any indications change
03:08 AM mrec: ok I will go there again on Monday
03:10 AM mrec: oh there's more going on
03:10 AM mrec: WDER System error display = OFF
03:10 AM mrec: SD sending to NC control unit = off
03:11 AM mrec: the led will appear dimmed hmm... I need to double check
03:11 AM mrec: most of it was just off
04:18 AM Tom_L: morning
04:23 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:26 AM JT-Cave: probed pos also shows all of the axes
04:31 AM Tom_L: i just grabbed a handfull at random
04:32 AM JT-Cave: would be nice if you could take the 'text' setting in the widget and display it like the name of what it does: 'Flood' on etc
04:32 AM JT-Cave: you could use the default 'TextLabel' to display none
04:32 AM JT-Cave: I'm not following what you're saying
04:33 AM Tom_L: i didn't figure you would :)
04:33 AM Tom_L: on the boxes i did i show: Tool: 1
04:33 AM Tom_L: if you show the tool it's just 1
04:34 AM Tom_L: use the TextLabel from the gui to add the 'Tool:' ahead of the 1
04:34 AM Tom_L: iirc i think it's called 'text' in the designer
04:34 AM Tom_L: in the ui file it's <string>
04:35 AM Tom_L: <string>Tool</string>
04:35 AM Tom_L: or such
04:35 AM Tom_L: and if you don't change that, the default is 'TextLabel'
04:35 AM Tom_L: so i thought you could use 'TextLabel' to indicate no text wanted in the label box
04:36 AM Tom_L: i didn't check to see if there was a function to read that parameter from the ui file directly
04:37 AM Tom_L: maybe something like this:
04:38 AM Tom_L: getattr(parent, f'{value}').setText(f'{stat_dict[key][getattr(parent.status, f"{string-value}{key}")]}')
04:38 AM Tom_L: where if the var string-value is empty nothing is added there
04:38 AM Tom_L: ''
04:39 AM Tom_L: then scan for string-value in the startup.py file where you check for widget presence
04:41 AM JT-Cave: well you don't edit the ui file by hand but you could add a dynamic property perhaps
06:44 AM Tom_L: no you wouldn't edit the ui but you might read that value from it
06:46 AM JT-Cave: one thing I don't want to do is do a lot of testing in status.py so I don't slow it down
06:48 AM Tom_L: i don't think you would need to test there. create a var from the widget name: flood_lb, flood_lb_label if the label is used
06:49 AM Tom_L: it is either empty or has a name in it
06:49 AM Tom_L: i know status is updated constantly
06:54 AM JT-Cave: status updates the labels every 10 milliseconds so the test would need to be done each time
06:57 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/JET/flex_test1.png
06:57 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/JET/flex_test2.png
06:57 AM Tom_L: how would you indicate what you're looking at then?
06:59 AM Tom_L: you create the variable in startup so it's already there. you just print what's in it no matter if it's a name or ''
06:59 AM Tom_L: one var per widget
07:00 AM JT-Cave: I put a label next to the status label with the name of the status
07:00 AM Tom_L: flood_lb, flood_lb_label and label either contains '' or 'Flood: '
07:00 AM Tom_L: so you use 2 labels per item?
07:01 AM JT-Cave: yup
07:06 AM JT-Cave: I just had a weird error... I copied connections.py from jet to flexgui and then added a command and it could not find it...
07:06 AM JT-Cave: from libjet import commands
07:06 AM JT-Cave: imported from the wrong place lol
07:07 AM CaptHindsight: solarwind: You Canadians with your QNX's and poutines!
07:07 AM Tom_L: working with 2-3 variants you gotta be careful which one you're editing
07:13 AM JT-Cave: copy and past error lol
07:15 AM Tom_L: how would you set up a round() for the floats displays?
07:16 AM Tom_L: on my test i did 4 places
07:17 AM JT-Cave: some_var.round(4)
07:17 AM Tom_L: you'd mentioned some setting that may be set for that
07:18 AM Tom_L: i think
07:26 AM JT-Cave: satiowadahc#0 had an idea on that I think
07:26 AM JT-Cave: waiting on him to show me how to do something with a widget
07:29 AM Tom_L: i wonder how many widgets you can have before the 10ms is eaten up
07:35 AM JT-Cave: I suspect a lot
07:35 AM JT-Cave: still pondering the prefix and or suffix for a label...
09:01 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Think I found a case to put a sleeper build in...
09:02 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/jauriarts.org/gtWhJxuRifhMAbgTeTApdrCX
09:03 AM JT-Cave: nice case
09:04 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> it looks like it is a conventional case..
09:05 AM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> think it came off of a printing press we scrapped
10:52 AM JT-Shop: nap time
11:10 AM Tom_L: do you have any commands working yet?
11:14 AM Tom_L: weekend has arrived.
11:14 AM Tom_L: nap could be in order
01:49 PM XXCoder: interesting case print lol
01:49 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UvXhyMAozg oldies but excellentes.
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> Tom_L most of the commands are working, just working on the enables
01:55 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> We are at River Ridge Winery
02:22 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
02:24 PM roycroft: maybe some day freecad will be ready for prime time :)
02:25 PM XXCoder: maybe but honestly I dont care. if its useful to me, its useful to me
02:25 PM XXCoder: I want to test the assembly stuff but unmotivated to
02:25 PM Tom_L: Roguish, that goes without saying
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> I'm not holding my breath waiting on that
02:26 PM Roguish: Hey roycroft . do track saws work pretty good? suggestion for a good value one?
02:26 PM Tom_L: we go to Texas Roadhouse here quite a bit. they open at 4:00 and by 4:10 you're lucky if you don't have to wait an hour
02:26 PM Tom_L: pretty much call ahead only
02:27 PM XXCoder: reminds me of that donut place. they always have line of people extending all way out
02:27 PM XXCoder: they used to have inside eating area but they had to close that area because theres just too many people
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> I used to make donuts
02:28 PM XXCoder: voodoo donuts
02:29 PM Tom_L: i still eat them :)
02:30 PM XXCoder: rarely for me, as it makes me full for maybe 10 minutes
02:31 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> I feel like a donut
02:31 PM Tom_L: i watch my weight
02:32 PM Tom_L: it just keeps getting bigger & bigger
02:32 PM XXCoder: lol
02:32 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> LOL me too
02:33 PM XXCoder: sadly same
02:33 PM Tom_L: i'm a little overweight but no horrible
02:34 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> I'm in shape.... round is a shape right?
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I use freecad but boy - sure seems like when I re-open older files - there are a ton of constraint or other issues.
02:35 PM XXCoder: yep. same as mine!
02:35 PM Tom_L: i don't wanna fall thru the innertube at the beach :(
02:35 PM Tom_L: :)
02:35 PM XXCoder: I dont need any innertube, I just float
02:35 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, i can break constraints even with catia
02:35 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> LOL
02:36 PM Tom_L: sometimes order makes a difference too
02:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I don't use freecad enough to understand what is happening.
02:38 PM roycroft: i have a problem with my prius
02:38 PM roycroft: well, had
02:38 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> It does allow me to make printable models pretty easy though.
02:38 PM roycroft: the gas filler door would not open automatically when i pulled the release
02:39 PM roycroft: this hasn't been a problem until oregon started allowing self-service filling stations
02:39 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> mechanical or electrical?
02:39 PM roycroft: the law requires an attendant to do the filling at a percentage of the pumps, but the attendants are nowhere to be found
02:39 PM roycroft: mechanical
02:39 PM roycroft: i have to pull on the release lever while someone opens the door
02:40 PM roycroft: i talked to a mechanic about it who looked it up and quoted me $250 to fix the problem
02:40 PM roycroft: then i went home, propped a wedge under the release lever, went out and pulled the door open
02:41 PM roycroft: and then shot some lithium grease into the hinge pin
02:41 PM roycroft: now it works perfectly
02:41 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> Mine opens when I pull in a gas station
02:41 PM Tom_L: roycroft, my mech wanted $400 to replace the serpentine belt. i declined
02:41 PM Tom_L: got a belt for $25 and did it myself
02:41 PM * roycroft wonders if he should bill himself $250 for the 2 minute job
02:41 PM XXCoder: you should. spend it on something fun
02:42 PM roycroft: of course the bigger issue is that the filling station attendants have all gone awol
02:42 PM Tom_L: i let one of the boys help so they learn about those things
02:42 PM roycroft: and somehow i doubt the state will be interested in enforcing that
02:42 PM roycroft: i think we're stuck with self-serve now
02:42 PM XXCoder: im not surpised. I thought if oregon ever allowed self service those would last as long as dry ice in middle of hot desert
02:42 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> My mechanic refused to fix the reverse shifter pads so I did it myself
02:43 PM Tom_L: he must have been there before
02:43 PM * roycroft feels he had a productive lunch break
02:44 PM roycroft: the house inspector will be at the new house at the end of the day today
02:44 PM roycroft: so if that goes well, i just have to wait for the assessor, and then the loan will fund and i'll be moving
02:44 PM Tom_L: gonna sign on it?
02:44 PM roycroft: i don't want to move
02:44 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> He pulled 4 c6 drive trains
02:44 PM roycroft: but i also don't want to stay here
02:44 PM roycroft: closing should be around march 12, if things go ok
02:45 PM roycroft: i'm hoping to be all moved by the middle of may or so
02:45 PM roycroft: and then i can star on the addition to the shop
02:45 PM roycroft: start
02:45 PM roycroft: so if everything goes to plan i'll have a bigger shop by the end of the summer
02:45 PM Tom_L: no rush to get out of your current one?
02:45 PM roycroft: no
02:45 PM Tom_L: that's always good
02:45 PM roycroft: i'm too old to be rushed :)
02:45 PM roycroft: i'm ok for a while
02:46 PM roycroft: i planned on at least a couple months of double payments when i went into this
02:46 PM roycroft: and i think the new mortgage has a delayed first payment option
02:46 PM roycroft: interest will still accrue, of course, so it will be an added cost, but it will be spread out over 30 years, so i won't even notice it
02:47 PM roycroft: but i think i can delay the first payment for up to 60 days
02:47 PM roycroft: the shop still won't be ideal, but it will be bigger than what i have now, and it will be dedicated shop space
02:48 PM roycroft: i wanted two shops - one for welding/fabrication/machining, and one for woodworking, but i'm going to have to do an addition to the current one
02:48 PM XXCoder: finally following the move shop fad eh ;)
02:48 PM roycroft: it will probably be l-shaped, and easy to partition the metal part from the wood part
02:48 PM roycroft: yeah, it's something i've needed to do for years, xxcoder
02:49 PM roycroft: and this is a bad time to buy a house
02:49 PM roycroft: but i'm really tired of people trying to camp in my yard and tear things up and steal things
02:49 PM XXCoder: :) hmm I heard it was starting to get good but ok
02:49 PM roycroft: interest rates just went up again
02:49 PM XXCoder: wasnt following house trends at all
02:49 PM roycroft: they came down a bit but now are inching back up
02:49 PM roycroft: and there is still virtually no inventory
02:50 PM roycroft: the place i'm probably buying is a big compromise on both the house and the location, but i'll be able to have the shop space i need
02:50 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
02:50 PM roycroft: and i'm actually thinking that being so far out of town means i'll have to have my trips better organized, which means my shop life in general will have to be better organized
02:50 PM roycroft: and should make things more efficient
02:50 PM Unterhausen: the freecad fanboys are all excited about the development version
02:51 PM Unterhausen: maybe they always get excited though
02:51 PM roycroft: it's nice that jerry's are only 5 minutes away, but when i'm working on something on the weekend i might make 3-4 trips to jerry's for fasteners/materials/whatever that i don't have for the project
02:51 PM roycroft: and as close as it is, that still takes a lot of time out of my day
02:52 PM roycroft: if i'm forced to make the whole list at once and only make one trip, i'm time ahead
02:52 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> Hopefully the new neighbors are more friendly
02:52 PM roycroft: and even though it's now a long drive to jerry's, i might be money ahead
02:52 PM roycroft: i said hi to a few, and they seem ok
02:52 PM roycroft: it's another really maga area
02:52 PM roycroft: no different to where i am now
02:53 PM roycroft: but we don't have the unhoused trying to camp out and destroy property
02:53 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> Good neighbors are priceless
02:53 PM roycroft: i'd like nice neighbors, but i'll probably keep to myself, so if they turn out to be bad neighbors, i'll be ok
02:53 PM roycroft: hopefully they will be decent
02:54 PM roycroft: i'm a little concerned right now - earnest money is due today , and my agent was supposed to be here to pick up the check a half hour ago
03:14 PM XXCoder: hmm hopefully they will come lol
03:15 PM XXCoder: on unrelated note, rss feed on discord finally worked on reddit lcnc cnc and machinist reddits suddenly worked today. wtf
03:15 PM XXCoder: didnt try to fix it
03:33 PM Tom_L: tall fences make better neighbors :)
03:33 PM Tom_L: luckily mine are decent anyway
03:34 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: "Tespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again!" kind of fence?
03:35 PM Tom_L: topped with constantino wire?
03:38 PM Loetmichel: whats that?
03:38 PM Tom_L: razor wire
03:39 PM Loetmichel: ah, thats called "Nato-draht" here :D
03:39 PM Tom_L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertina_wire#/media/File:Razor_Wire.jpg
03:39 PM Loetmichel: yeah, thats what google suggested you meant.
03:41 PM roycroft: i don't live in texas
03:41 PM roycroft: we don't have that stuff here
03:41 PM Tom_L: maybe you should
03:41 PM Tom_L: you probably don't have as many guns either
03:44 PM * Loetmichel has seen a vid from someone who made two "water gun" sentries to protect his front lawn.
03:44 PM Loetmichel: with 30 bar pumps behind them :)
03:44 PM Loetmichel: <- was impressed how far the cats flew
03:44 PM Tom_L: :)
03:50 PM roycroft: we have too many guns around here, sadly
03:50 PM roycroft: and in the town where i might move
03:54 PM Tom_L: gun control is knowing how to aim them
04:03 PM roycroft: gun control alone is not the answer
04:04 PM roycroft: getting people to simmah' down so they don't go shooting guns at other people will be the answer, in the end
04:06 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: and knowing not to look into the business end EVER
04:08 PM Roguish: roycroft, you still there?
04:09 PM Unterhausen: we were out riding bikes around here, and one place had an impressive fence around it. Wasn't one of our many local prisons either
04:10 PM Unterhausen: 10 feet tall, concertina wire, illiterate signs warning of violence against trespassers, the whole works
04:11 PM Unterhausen: wasn't suspicious looking atall
04:12 PM lcnc-relay: <roguish000> probably a bunch of alternative aggriculture
04:30 PM roycroft: i am still here for a moment
04:30 PM Roguish: What brand of good value track saw can you recommend??? I want to build some cabinets with prefinished plywood.
04:30 PM roycroft: i would get a festool ts 60
04:30 PM Roguish: wow. Festool seems to be the most expensive.....
04:30 PM roycroft: the saw is a bit more expensive than some of the other high quality brands, but the track is cheaper
04:31 PM roycroft: for the saw itself it's the second-most expensive, next to mafall
04:31 PM roycroft: mafell
04:31 PM Roguish: how about dewalt
04:31 PM Roguish: or makita
04:31 PM Roguish: or milwauki
04:31 PM roycroft: the other saw that's similar quality is bosch, but bosch track is more expensive and doesn't work on festool tracks
04:31 PM roycroft: those are all second-tier
04:31 PM roycroft: better than grizzly or triton
04:31 PM roycroft: but that's not saying much
04:32 PM roycroft: mafell, festool, and bosch are the top-tier track saws
04:32 PM Roguish: I don't really want to pay the most, just get good value.
04:32 PM roycroft: do you ever do any building construction?
04:32 PM roycroft: such as framing?
04:32 PM Roguish: no
04:33 PM roycroft: ok
04:33 PM roycroft: they have a construction track saw that's nice if you're cutting angles a lot, but not quite as smooth cutting as the cabinet grade track saws
04:34 PM roycroft: if you want the best value i would recommend going to https://www.festoolrecon.com/collections/oneanddone and monitoring that
04:34 PM roycroft: you likely won't find a ts 60 there for a long time, as it's a new product, but you'll find a ts55 on a regular basis (there's a battery one on the site right now)
04:34 PM roycroft: that's a festool-run site
04:34 PM roycroft: the items are refurbished by festool and come with a 1 year warranty
04:35 PM roycroft: they're marked down 20%-30% off list
04:35 PM Roguish: ther is a hkc 55 there now
04:35 PM roycroft: you could buy the saw from there, do your project, and sell it on cl for more than you paid or it
04:35 PM roycroft: festool holds its value really well
04:35 PM roycroft: the hkc 55 is the contruction one
04:35 PM Roguish: also a TSC 55
04:35 PM roycroft: i want to get one, and may very soon if i build the extention to the shop i'm looking at
04:36 PM roycroft: yes, that's the battery version of the ts 55
04:36 PM roycroft: it's a better saw, but investing in batteries and a charger is expensive
04:36 PM Roguish: yeah, selling it later is an idea.
04:36 PM roycroft: for your project a corded one is a good idea
04:36 PM Roguish: corded is fine
04:36 PM roycroft: and if you get a refurb you can flip it easily
04:37 PM roycroft: i've bought most of my festool gear from the refurb site, and have had no problems with any of it
04:37 PM roycroft: if you have cash to float, get a domino machine from the refurb site if you find one - they don't come up too often
04:38 PM roycroft: but the domino 500 you should be able to get for under $900, and you can probably sell it for $1k when you're done with the project
04:38 PM Roguish: what's a domino machine do?
04:38 PM waterppk1: overglorified biscuits
04:38 PM roycroft: it cuts slots for floating tenons, but very accurately
04:38 PM roycroft: they're not overglorified
04:38 PM waterppk1: *really expensive, overglorified biscuits
04:38 PM roycroft: and they are also very different to biscuits
04:39 PM roycroft: biscuits add no structural strength at all - they are strictly for alignment
04:39 PM Roguish: ok, I think a friend of mine just bought one of those from an old guy moving to a smaller house, with no shop
04:39 PM roycroft: dominos add a lot of structural strength
04:39 PM waterppk1: https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-movie-star-wars-3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac
04:39 PM roycroft: and i would not recommend a domino machine to an average homeowner
04:40 PM roycroft: but in this case, roguish has a bunch of cabinets to build
04:40 PM Roguish: can a track saw handle a dado blade?
04:40 PM roycroft: if he can buy the tool for $900, make all the cabinets with it, then sell it for $1k it's a pretty good deal
04:40 PM roycroft: no
04:40 PM roycroft: use a router for that
04:40 PM Roguish: another friend has a powermatic table saw he'll loan me.
04:41 PM roycroft: and i have anappointment
04:41 PM roycroft: so i have to go
04:41 PM roycroft: i can chat later
04:41 PM waterppk1: despite me being a PITA dominos definitely have their place
04:41 PM Roguish: well, thanks for the advice.
04:41 PM waterppk1: they're just really expensive and it's worth weighing that against their benefit
04:43 PM waterppk1: the best domino machine is one you can borrow from a buddy ;-)
06:00 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> I have had really good look with https://www.amazon.com/Massca-Twin-Pocket-Hole-Jig/dp/B07C29KXNT/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=3BZGNAEFW2CXH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.In3Ev_a05RP8TKKlbl5lp8z5HVVTEvrX4UNKSQ0wYIES6mq-CL
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06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> oof
06:01 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> made a lot of cabinates with that..
06:02 PM JT-Shop: I think your link is much too long...
06:02 PM JT-Shop: delete everything after the /
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://www.amazon.com/Massca-Twin-Pocket-Hole-Jig/dp/B07C29KXNT?th=1
06:16 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> but - I am also a hack
06:16 PM JT-Shop: that works great for 2x4 construction for sure
06:16 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
06:18 PM XXCoder: yeah its interesting jig
06:18 PM XXCoder: but eh dunno. side pockets isnt strongest type from what I recall
06:21 PM Unterhausen: I built a pretty nice vanity with just pocket holes and dowels
06:22 PM XXCoder: I suppose it depends on what its used for
06:22 PM Unterhausen: I felt like an imposter the whole time, but I didn't feel like sharpening my chisels
06:22 PM XXCoder: can always use the jig for ikea connector type
06:23 PM Unterhausen: if you go to a museum with furniture by famous woodworkers, there are a _lot_ of nails
06:23 PM Unterhausen: some of them are even visible from the show side
06:23 PM XXCoder: not surpised
06:23 PM Unterhausen: they definitely would have used dowels and pocket hole screws if they had been available 200 years ago
06:24 PM Unterhausen: I would use a domino if I had one, and feel a little less like an imposter
06:25 PM XXCoder: lol well if your makes work, it works
06:27 PM Unterhausen: I think I might repurpose my centroid control box for lcnc, got to take a grinder to all the places it says centroid on it
06:35 PM Unterhausen: Penn State students invented a second St. Paddy's day so they could drink green beer on two days a year
06:35 PM Unterhausen: The invented one is this weekend
06:47 PM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc#0> Been making dado cuts with a skill saw this week. It's been interesting...
07:15 PM lcnc-relay: <unterhausen> can't imagine making dados with a skillsaw
07:19 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> there are more and more videos of people testing the blade brake in real life.. OOF
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> This one.. crazy
07:21 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZCfP9c8WYdY
07:22 PM XXCoder: ow
07:22 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> My dad had a finger that was just 1/8 shorter because of a table saw.. Of all the machines I have used - the table saw get the most respect from me.
07:22 PM XXCoder: yeo
07:24 PM Unterhausen: most dangerous thing I do on the tablesaw is cut tapers
07:24 PM Unterhausen: I keep thinking of ways to make that safer, so mostly I just don't do it
07:26 PM XXCoder: i remember one channel where 2 guys is seated at tablesaw
07:26 PM XXCoder: blade is still up, but not spinning
07:27 PM XXCoder: they keeps wires across it, and at one point guy slaps table with both hands
07:27 PM XXCoder: man it was annoying
07:27 PM XXCoder: I was thinking lower the damned blade already
07:31 PM XXCoder: lately myfordboy videos is pretty good. he got back to making his usual stuff rather than showcase products
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc#0> https://jauriarts.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/jauriarts.org/VEddSoYSCcKZVGOpeKNTNYsb
07:32 PM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc#0> Need sanding and glue yet. But this is so far only skill and a level
07:32 PM XXCoder: nice
07:34 PM lcnc-relay: <satiowadahc#0> Skill saw* wouldn't say skill as I'm just winging this
07:35 PM XXCoder: lol well you can do it better than me
09:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Gene seems to be replying to emails from multiple years ago..
09:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Maybe his email isn't sorted by date...
09:12 PM lcnc-relay: <skunkworks8841> Any more
09:32 PM roycroft: the house inspection went well
09:33 PM XXCoder: so no hidden ticking bombs eh
09:34 PM roycroft: no, it's actually in pretty good shape
09:34 PM roycroft: there were signs of water damage, but it was old, and we know how the damage happened
09:35 PM roycroft: and the problems have been fixed
09:35 PM roycroft: one of the bathrooms is in the middle of a remodel, and the toilet is gone (there's a brand new one sitting in the living room), and the floor is torn up
09:36 PM roycroft: but there is another bathroom that is fully functional, so the one that's torn up should not prevent financing
09:36 PM roycroft: and i can finish the remodel easily, if i even use that bath room as a bathroom
09:36 PM roycroft: i may just use it to store my top secret documents, since i have another one that works fine
09:36 PM XXCoder: well its chance to design one exactly the way you want it
09:37 PM XXCoder: hah! yeah as someone proved it, it seems to be good storage space for top secret stuff :P
10:16 PM roycroft: so i'm pretty much done with paperwork for this loan - i have about an hour's worth to finish tomorrow morning
10:16 PM roycroft: then i can focus on the layout of the new shop
10:16 PM roycroft: if i can make that work, it's a go in my mind
10:17 PM roycroft: i can't see snow capped mountain peaks from the new house
10:17 PM roycroft: but i can seem them from a couple blocks away
10:17 PM roycroft: i can't see them at all from eugene, and i've realised that i miss that a lot
10:18 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham i could see mtbaker, the southern canadian cascades, and several other snow-capped peaks from every house i lived in there
10:23 PM XXCoder: build a viewing tower
10:45 PM roycroft: i'm ok with getting a glimpse when i head downtown
10:45 PM roycroft: oh, and i found out from my would-be next door neighbor today that ota television works in that neighborhood
10:46 PM roycroft: the neighbor gets all the eugene stations just fine
10:46 PM roycroft: most parts of town do not, because of a mountain blocking the path
10:47 PM flyback: CANUCK_\
10:47 PM * flyback bites roycroft
10:47 PM XXCoder: werewolves gonna bite
10:48 PM XXCoder: prety cool on broadcast but meh it wouldnt have mattered to me as I dont watch tv