#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 01 2024
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:27 AM Deejay: moin
01:39 AM Deejay: happy new year
04:14 AM Tom_L: morning
04:29 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> Morning
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:16 AM Deejay: afternoon & happy new year
07:14 AM Tom_L: 27°F High 37°F
07:14 AM Tom_L: Happy Leapyear
07:18 AM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> glad i'm not a leap-baby... i would only be 11 years old... lol
07:38 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
07:40 AM Unterhausen: It's a leap year? I'm going back to bed
07:46 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> The jaw shape allows you to tighten aluminum AN fittings without the risk of slipping or distortion. This is mostly for cosmetic reasons in race cars but I imagine it would be a bit more critical in a
07:46 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> ircraft. Using a serrated jaws is completely unacceptable as it would chew up the fittings. I find it is easier to get the fittings tight without damage using those wrenches than anything else but y
07:46 AM lcnc-relay: <zincboy_ca_on> ou need more clearance.
10:33 AM Roguish: good morning all. happy new year.
12:00 PM JT-Cave: yuck thunderbird changed the gui and now it sucks
12:05 PM CloudEvil: It would be really quite nice if you could get 'long term support' versions that were stable for life.
12:19 PM JT-Shop: now when I run tbird here I started getting those very annoying popup
12:19 PM JT-Shop: gotta find another mail reader now this just sucks
12:19 PM Tom_L: heh i had to move to thunderbird because my old one quit working
12:20 PM Tom_L: you find a good one for win7 lemme know :)
12:20 PM Tom_L: so far this one is ok
12:20 PM JT-Shop: I have popups turned off but somehow tb is ignoring
12:20 PM Tom_L: cnc winding coil springs this AM
12:20 PM JT-Shop: win7 still seems to work ok
12:21 PM JT-Shop: seems like 13 years ago I started building the machine shop
12:24 PM Tom_L: working on getting the winding count right and the springback
12:25 PM JT-Shop: nap time here
12:25 PM Tom_L: lunchtime here
12:33 PM justIrresolute is now known as justache
01:00 PM XXCoder: what is thunderbird popping up?
01:07 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1268496
01:29 PM JT-Shop: I'm using 102.13.0 that link is 3 years old
01:33 PM Tom_L: where do you find the version?
01:34 PM Tom_L: ahh mine is 115.6.0 win 32bit
01:35 PM Unterhausen: I just saw a post asking for what the best raspberry pinto is. Got to love autocomplete sometimes
01:35 PM Tom_L: pintos were a fire hazzard
01:36 PM Unterhausen: not after the 50 cent gasket recall
01:37 PM Unterhausen: I almost bought one, good thing I didn't
01:37 PM XXCoder: settings tend to not change but ok
01:38 PM roycroft: my first car was a pinto
01:39 PM roycroft: fortunately i rear ended someone, and not vice versa
01:39 PM roycroft: that was my first and only at-fault wreck, when i was 17
01:40 PM roycroft: and it may have saved my life
01:40 PM Tom_L: there was another GM product that had that problem. i can't remember the name of it
01:40 PM Tom_L: a city worker was reading meters parked on the side of the road and a dump truck rear ended him and the tank exploded
01:41 PM Tom_L: burned down a nice pin oak tree
01:42 PM Tom_L: citation i think
01:42 PM Tom_L: x body
01:47 PM Scopeuk: That used to be an issue with the crown vice at one point too
01:47 PM Scopeuk: S/vice/Vic's silly auto correct
01:47 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TeySqEXdsXRpmUVRwRpwHFVH
01:48 PM lcnc-relay: <JT (@jt-shop:matrix.org)> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ROOlgeFpJXjUAjAuCHmXGNau
01:48 PM Tom_L: nice
01:48 PM XXCoder: hmm cant figure what its for, but nice
01:48 PM Tom_L: steam pot for wood bending
01:49 PM XXCoder: ahh
01:50 PM JT-Woodshop: roycroft, what would be the best thing to use to water proof the steam box?
01:52 PM JT-Woodshop: I have T&T, a bit of polyurethane and shellac
01:52 PM Tom_L: of those 3 urethane would probably be the best
01:54 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Spring/Coil_spring4.jpg
01:54 PM Tom_L: mine is the smaller coil and reverse wound
01:54 PM JT-Woodshop: those look like fun to make
01:54 PM XXCoder: curious what you used as cam for wire bending gcode
01:55 PM Tom_L: my cad cam :)
01:55 PM Tom_L: i'll make a yt later
01:55 PM XXCoder: cool :)
01:55 PM JT-Woodshop: also I have fiberglass resin...
01:56 PM Tom_L: you could use that
01:56 PM Tom_L: it's definitely water proof
01:58 PM JT-Woodshop: I think I'll make a test piece and see what it works like
01:59 PM roycroft: none of that - t&t, poly, or shellac - would work
01:59 PM JT-Woodshop: ok
01:59 PM roycroft: i used a piece of 6" abs drain pipe for my steaming chamber, so it's not been an issue for me
02:00 PM XXCoder: good thing you menioned the resin if its the solution
02:00 PM roycroft: fiberglass would work well
02:00 PM roycroft: for the shaker oval boxes i'm going to start making i need a "boiling" vat, not a steam chamber, and i'm not sure what i'm going to do about that
02:01 PM roycroft: traditionally the vats were made of copper, but i don't have that kidn of money
02:01 PM XXCoder: would stainless steel large cooking pan work?
02:01 PM roycroft: it needs to be 7' long
02:01 PM JT-Woodshop: wow
02:02 PM XXCoder: ah was picturing smallish. 7' too large
02:02 PM XXCoder: whats other dimensions like?
02:02 PM roycroft: the side of a shaker box is one piece of wood, wrapped around an oval form and overlapped
02:02 PM roycroft: 8" wide would be fine, and 4" deep would probably be fine, but a bit deeper would be better
02:02 PM roycroft: so maybe 6" deep
02:03 PM JT-Woodshop: the can of resin feels too cold to try today so I moved it closer to the heater
02:03 PM XXCoder: honestly only solution I can think of is buy alum sheet and bend it to U shape length, then cap ends off
02:03 PM XXCoder: or already bent to u
02:04 PM roycroft: looking at my chart, if the band is 78" long, the ellipse will be 17-5/8" wide by 25-7/8" long
02:04 PM roycroft: which is pretty big, but i want that capacity, even though i'll mostly be making smaller boxes
02:04 PM roycroft: i'm thinking a livestock watering trough might work
02:05 PM roycroft: they are galvanized steel, though, and i'm not sure how that would react with the wood
02:05 PM XXCoder: no way to coat it to create barrier?
02:05 PM roycroft: i need to heat water in it just below the boiling point
02:05 PM roycroft: so the choice of coatings is limited
02:06 PM XXCoder: would powder coated work?
02:06 PM roycroft: and actually, for that big box (#14) the band neeeds to be 9-7/8" wide, so the width of the tray would probably have to be 12", not 8"
02:06 PM roycroft: by the time i prepped it for powder coating and paid for the powder coating i could probably build it out of copper
02:07 PM XXCoder: was thinking of diy but tooling cost probably too much anyway
02:07 PM roycroft: my current plan is to buy a small galvanized bucket or something and experiment with small pieces of the various wood species i intend to bend for the boxes, and see what happens
02:08 PM roycroft: if they work then i'll buy the bigger one and go to town with it
02:08 PM XXCoder: thats good idea, it might not affect anyway
02:08 PM roycroft: right
02:08 PM roycroft: the zinc will, for example, badly stain cedar over time if it's in direct contact with it
02:09 PM roycroft: but if the wood is just suspended in/floating on water inside a galvanzied tub it might not have any affect at all
02:09 PM XXCoder: maybe a stainless steel mesh as wood suspender
02:09 PM XXCoder: or wires to make it simpler
02:10 PM roycroft: some folks steam the wood for shaker boxes, but the overwhelming majority steep in hot water
02:10 PM JT-Woodshop: might find a fab shop that can make a ss box for you
02:10 PM roycroft: there's a restaurant supply house near me that sells used fixtures
02:10 PM roycroft: big sinks, reefers, etc.
02:11 PM roycroft: they may have some kind of big, long ss tray that i can use
02:11 PM JT-Woodshop: heating a long box evenly would be challenging
02:11 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of setting it on a series of hot plates
02:11 PM XXCoder: that reminds me of events type, the long stainless steel sinks for washing, and another for peeing
02:11 PM JT-Woodshop: an old ss urinal lol
02:11 PM roycroft: or i could do direct flame, and get a number of grill burners
02:12 PM XXCoder: it has handy drain for emptying too
02:12 PM roycroft: i'd like to be able to do this indoors, though, so electric heat would be best
02:12 PM roycroft: those boxes sell for a lot of money, even the crappy ones
02:12 PM XXCoder: coupled with PID system would work I bet
02:12 PM roycroft: and i know i could make some really nice ones
02:13 PM roycroft: they would be fun to make, too
02:15 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLpwVbrxuA
02:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Spring/Coil_spring5.jpg
02:15 PM JT-Shop: you need a groove in that tool
02:16 PM Tom_L: i know
02:16 PM Tom_L: and use a helix
02:16 PM JT-Shop: so you can control the z of the bend
02:16 PM Tom_L: right
02:16 PM Tom_L: this was experimental just to see if it would work at all
02:16 PM JT-Shop: seemed to work well
02:17 PM Tom_L: he want's consistency and this should give him that
02:17 PM XXCoder: theres just small risk since you have to manually lift the wire
02:18 PM Tom_L: if i warn't holding the phone it would have turned out better
02:21 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, gutter drain pipe
02:22 PM XXCoder: for boiling wood roy want? think thats too small dimension
02:22 PM XXCoder: though that reminds me
02:22 PM XXCoder: roycroft: ducts?
02:23 PM roycroft: i'd be concerned about the paint on the gutter as well
02:24 PM roycroft: even if it were wide enough
02:24 PM Tom_L: galvanized duct
02:24 PM roycroft: yeah, rectangular hvac duct might work
02:24 PM roycroft: sealing it could be a bit challenging, but i'm sure i could figure it out
02:25 PM roycroft: i'm going to do the experiment with the bucket first
02:25 PM roycroft: if that works then a watering trough will be fine, and easy
02:25 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> if you use SS tubs of some sort, have fins welded in the inside of bottom to help even heat
02:25 PM roycroft: travis_farmer: i'm considering that i may need to use a small circulating pump to keep the water temperature consistent
02:26 PM JT-Shop: you should have one on your brew cart
02:26 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> maybe
02:26 PM roycroft: and yes, that's a problem with ss - it is a horrible conductor of heat, so it would be more expensive to operate
02:26 PM roycroft: i do have a spare chugger pump
02:26 PM roycroft: and it would be perfect
02:26 PM XXCoder: wouldnt it be more resistant to heat leak?
02:27 PM XXCoder: ie it keeps heat inside easier
02:27 PM roycroft: it would, but i wold be heating it from the outside
02:27 PM roycroft: unless i install a heating element inside
02:27 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> water heater elements
02:27 PM roycroft: like a hot water heater element - i could install that at one end, and the circulating pump would move the heat through the entire trough
02:28 PM * roycroft has experience with this kind of stuff, having built that brew stand
02:28 PM roycroft: we're getting all fancy here, though
02:28 PM roycroft: and i'd like to keep it pretty simple, at least at first
02:28 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> lol
02:29 PM roycroft: a livestock watering trough sitting on top of 4-5 hot plates is simple
02:29 PM roycroft: as long as it doesn't take 17 hours to heat up the water
02:30 PM Tom_L: just pour more coal to it
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> stage the hotplates,so more are on to start, but less are on to maintain
02:30 PM * roycroft should get back to the shop - it's time to get intimate with his sanders
02:30 PM lcnc-relay: <travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org)> sounds kinky
02:31 PM roycroft: i have to find my stash of crubber today too
02:31 PM roycroft: i thought i had a drawer labelled "crubber", but if i do, that drawer is in someone else's shop
02:32 PM travis_farmer: there, see how long IRC lets me visit...
02:32 PM Tom_L: i can kick you if it would make ya feel better
02:32 PM travis_farmer: that's not nice :-(
02:33 PM travis_farmer: bad joint pain today... it would hurt to be kicked... :-(
02:35 PM travis_farmer: i started a symptom tracker spreadsheet for when i get my neurology appointment :-) hope it helps the doc
02:40 PM travis_farmer: why would somebody have a use for this? https://www.adafruit.com/product/5306
02:40 PM XXCoder: its big button
02:41 PM XXCoder: make your own ez button
02:41 PM Tom_L: a keyboard for the jolly green giant
02:41 PM travis_farmer: lol
02:41 PM XXCoder: I bet it would be nice demo on how those switches work
02:41 PM travis_farmer: FB suggested it to me, lol
02:54 PM JT-Shop: down to 7 hens now
02:55 PM travis_farmer: eat the others?
02:56 PM Tom_L: sad
02:57 PM Tom_L: i think i'll grind a U in the pin and try a helix
02:57 PM Tom_L: that should do it
03:00 PM JT-Shop: no Nails just died a few minutes ago
03:01 PM travis_farmer: dang...
03:03 PM JT-Shop: I need some warmer days to integrate the remaining 2 hens in with the other 5 and shut down Coop Deux
03:29 PM lcnc-relay: <_veegee#0> travis_farmer (@_discord_731083529441640538:jauriarts.org) travises must be growing slow this time of year eh
03:29 PM travis_farmer: fairly slow...
03:30 PM solarwind: my kitty cat is so cute
03:31 PM solarwind: I can't believe you can just steal the kittens right from their mothers and not get charged for kidnapping :)
03:34 PM solarwind: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1kcpcKbZWiE I wouldn't mind a pet panther but a few steaks a day to feed it gets expensive fast
03:35 PM solarwind: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EQ3sJgyzICQ listen to that growl, would love to scare people with that
05:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Spring/Guide_pin.jpg
05:10 PM Tom_L: that and a helix should fix the coil issue
05:11 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:14 PM XXCoder: is that the tool?
05:15 PM XXCoder: (for bending wires)
05:15 PM Tom_L: will be
05:15 PM Tom_L: i just use a dowel to test
05:16 PM XXCoder: nice. I did have thought of lip to help guide wire but was far from certain
05:28 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
05:30 PM XXCoder: night
05:30 PM Tom_L: may go try a helix after dinner
05:31 PM XXCoder: cool :) hope its a success!
05:35 PM roycroft: i've had a good day so far
05:36 PM roycroft: i needed to modify some cast parts to non-precision specs on my old, worn-out lathe, and was able to turn every dimension to within 0.001"
05:37 PM roycroft: now if only i had that router cutter for which i paid expedited shipping, and was shipped on time, but which the usps decided to deliver tomorrow instead of friday last
05:37 PM roycroft: because two days after wednesday is the following tuesday, according to their calendar
06:29 PM Unterhausen: I was interested in a youtube woodworking video, and the guy promised a secret method at the end.
06:29 PM Unterhausen: you guessed it, Shaper Origin
06:30 PM Unterhausen: that's not a secret, and it's not a secret that it's not in my budget
06:31 PM Unterhausen: but at least red cross just sent me a $10 gift certificate for being so awesome
06:31 PM lcnc-relay: <fdarling#0> Does anyone actually talk on this Discord server, or is it just the relay bot?
06:35 PM XXCoder: relay relays between irc and discord
06:35 PM XXCoder: so yes we are just chatting
06:44 PM Tom_L: ok turned out good
06:45 PM roycroft: the shaper origin is a great tool, but it is certainly not for every shop, cost notwithstanding
06:45 PM roycroft: i'm finding ways for it to fit into my workflow that i did not consider when i bought mine
06:46 PM XXCoder: tom yeah? will make video?
06:46 PM roycroft: it's certainly more than a fancy toy for rich doctors and attorneys who like to putter around in the shop
06:50 PM Unterhausen: I would like to have a shaper, no doubt. Unlikely to happen though. If I was a pro woodworker, I would think more about it
06:50 PM Unterhausen: it's just not the kind of reveal I want at the end of a youtube video, I want that information up front
06:58 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lonf4ypINVM
06:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Spring/Coil_spring7.jpg
06:58 PM Tom_L: out of focus at the start
06:59 PM XXCoder: nice!
07:01 PM XXCoder: you sure upped the spring making game there
07:03 PM roycroft: yeah, that groove in the tool made a huge difference
07:05 PM roycroft: you could go into the clothes pin business now!
07:05 PM Tom_L: well i programmed a helix for it too which helped
07:05 PM roycroft: yeah, the helix plus the guide groove
07:05 PM roycroft: way better than using your finger
07:06 PM roycroft: and way safer
07:06 PM Tom_L: i used to wind long ones on the drill press
07:06 PM Tom_L: like 6" long etc
07:08 PM Tom_L: i forgot my cad only does helix in 360 increments. when i did my single point threadmill macro i had to break it up but i'd forgotten
07:17 PM XXCoder: well im sure it will serve you well on all spring needs for a while
07:22 PM Tom_L: i've got ~4-5 programs i run on that all referenced from the RR corner
07:22 PM Tom_L: makes it nice to switch parts
08:44 PM Getty4 is now known as Getty
08:46 PM rue_shop3: socat pty,link=/dev/ttySEther,raw,echo=0 tcp:192.168.9.14:44