#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 13 2023

01:39 AM Deejay: moin
04:22 AM Tom_L: morning
04:23 AM Tom_L: 42°F hi 69°F
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05:50 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:32 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, Connor I've added when units are selected placeholder text is applied to velocities check it out
07:45 AM Tom_L: ok
07:50 AM Tom_L: what tab is that on?
07:51 AM Tom_L: oh..
07:51 AM Tom_L: did you see my note about a radial axis?
07:52 AM Tom_L: trying to see how you would calculate for a rotary axis with the calc
07:52 AM Tom_L: i was looking at my A axis config last night
07:54 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact/mesact_error1.png
07:54 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, ^^
07:55 AM Tom_L: microsteps was blank
07:56 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as unterhausen
07:56 AM unterhausen: anyone can recommend a wifi card?
07:57 AM JT-Cave: aye I was testing back then
07:57 AM Tom_L: i just pulled that
07:57 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, didn't see the note
07:57 AM JT-Cave: hmm
07:58 AM JT-Cave: apparently I failed to remove the test code lol
08:04 AM Tom_L: the rotary settings are quite a bit different than my others because they're in steps/degree
08:05 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.8.4/new_mill_A.ini
08:13 AM Tom_L: also, entering: steps/rev, microsteps, leadscrew pitch doesn't calculate a value when you push calculate scale
08:14 AM JT-Cave: did you pull after I removed the test code?
08:14 AM Tom_L: ! YOU BROKE IT!
08:14 AM Tom_L: :)
08:15 AM Tom_L: no not yet but i will
08:15 AM JT-Cave: I was testing the number validation thing and just did one thing then returned
08:16 AM Tom_L: calc is better now
08:17 AM JT-Cave: select a board like 7i76e then units then look at the joint tab
08:17 AM Tom_L: you should add an invert button for scales that need to be negative
08:17 AM Tom_L: i saw the txt you added
08:18 AM Tom_L: or a check box etc
08:18 AM JT-Cave: I had a checkbox before
08:18 AM JT-Cave: I have room in the Options groupbox to put it back in
08:19 AM Tom_L: joint doesn't show anything special that i see on 7i76e
08:19 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
08:19 AM JT-Cave: did you select units?
08:19 AM Tom_L: details...
08:19 AM Tom_L: it's there now
08:21 AM JT-Cave: what do you think about the placeholder text?
08:21 AM JT-Cave: it changes when you change units
08:21 AM Tom_L: yeah i noticed that
08:22 AM Tom_L: is that still different from pncconf?
08:22 AM Tom_L: in/min
08:22 AM Tom_L: wasn't that connor's issue?
08:22 AM Tom_L: i dunno, i haven't looked at pncconf
08:23 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure what the ini expects to see either
08:29 AM JT-Cave: he assumed that I was using ipm and not the ips that the ini uses
08:29 AM Tom_L: k
08:29 AM Tom_L: i think the prompts are ok
08:30 AM Tom_L: it might be more uniform if it was the same as you did in the Jog Slider Settings
08:30 AM Tom_L: where it's displayed beside the number
08:32 AM Tom_L: not sure you have room there for that
08:33 AM Tom_L: some of those boxes don't need to be quite as wide as they are
08:34 AM Tom_L: 'Axis' & 'Type' could be a bit narrower
08:34 AM Tom_L: 'Scale' probably could be
08:36 AM Tom_L: yeah i doubt you need 10 digits for scale
08:36 AM Tom_L: mine are 5 and i thought that was alot
08:38 AM Tom_L: gotta run
10:51 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as unterhausen
10:54 AM justache is now known as justThanks
11:13 AM roycroft: yay - my tax refund check has arrived
11:14 AM roycroft: i was a little concerned that if the government shuts down at the end of the week there might be a significant delay in processing it
11:17 AM bjorkintosh: roycroft, from last year?
11:17 AM bjorkintosh: did you file late or something?
11:17 AM roycroft: yes, i filed an extension, so my due date was october 16
11:18 AM roycroft: i was dealing with a special election early this year, and did not get my books closed out until the beginning of april, which did not leave me enough time to do my taxes properly
11:18 AM bjorkintosh: I already know I have to file late.
11:19 AM roycroft: i am going to do whatever it takes to file on time next year
11:19 AM bjorkintosh: I wasn't disciplined enough to put the damned money away.
11:19 AM roycroft: oregon has this weird "kicker" tax law
11:19 AM roycroft: our state economist predicts what our tax revenue will be in advance, and our state budget is based on that
11:19 AM roycroft: if revenue exceeds the prediction the state issues "kicker" refunds of the difference to taxpayers
11:20 AM bjorkintosh: state economist huh?
11:20 AM bjorkintosh: sounds like a bot!
11:20 AM solarwind: is rust harder than mild steel?
11:20 AM roycroft: i think most states have economists working for them
11:20 AM roycroft: anyway, this coming year's kicker will be the highest ever - i think it's around 40%
11:20 AM bjorkintosh: roycroft, yes I know they do. but I believe they've all been secretly replaced with GPT
11:21 AM roycroft: because the economic forecast was done at the beginning of the pandemic, and we recovered much more quickly post-pandemic than was thought
11:21 AM roycroft: the kicker is applied when one files one's taxes, so the sooner i file the sooner i get that big check
11:22 AM roycroft: anyway, i already spent my tax refund on a router and some accessories, which should arrive this week
11:22 AM roycroft: i ordered the stuff as soon as i had confirmation that the check was mailed
11:23 AM * roycroft thinks he finally has enough routers
11:23 AM bjorkintosh: the curse of having techie hobbies!
11:23 AM bjorkintosh: there's always some gear to buy.
11:23 AM roycroft: wood router
11:23 AM roycroft: not network router
11:23 AM roycroft: but yeay
11:23 AM roycroft: yeah
11:23 AM bjorkintosh: that too!
11:24 AM roycroft: i actually have some cisco routers that i need to sell, as soon as i get around to scrubbing them and taking photos and posting them
11:24 AM solarwind: yeah get rid of any cisco shit
11:24 AM solarwind: overpriced crap
11:24 AM roycroft: it's not crap at all
11:24 AM solarwind: you can get similar for much cheaper
11:24 AM roycroft: and i've bought most of my cisco gear used
11:25 AM roycroft: for most customers i buy new, because it's the support that i am paying for, not the gear
11:25 AM roycroft: not many vendors offer 4 hour replacement contracts
11:25 AM solarwind: do they have OpenNetworking?
11:25 AM roycroft: and some customers need that
11:25 AM solarwind: I'd much rather get this: https://www.fs.com/products/110480.html
11:25 AM bjorkintosh: technically, with some smoke, a few homing pigeons, drums and lights, one could emulate a router.
11:26 AM bjorkintosh: but there's no support.
11:26 AM solarwind: yeah if you're a huge greedy corporation with $millions between the couch cushions
11:26 AM roycroft: probably not
11:26 AM solarwind: gotta spend all that stolen money somewhere
11:26 AM * roycroft mostly works for government and small businesses
11:26 AM bjorkintosh: it's not stolen, it's earned fair and square the way walmart and apple do it!
11:26 AM bjorkintosh: Fair, and square.
11:26 AM solarwind: then those small businesses are getting ripped off
11:26 AM solarwind: mikrotik is FAAARRRR more cost effective
11:27 AM roycroft: well, i try to make the case that stocking spares is often more cost-effective than a 4 hour replacement contract
11:27 AM roycroft: but spares are one of the three hard sells to customers
11:27 AM solarwind: or ubiquity (not sure about anymore though, they're going a bit downhill)
11:27 AM solarwind: even Dell/HP have OpenNetworking gear
11:27 AM roycroft: the other two being backup power (ups, generator, or combination), and making regular backups
11:27 AM solarwind: Cisco is hostile, they make you pay for their configuration shit
11:28 AM solarwind: I mean if you're doing state of the art 800Gb links, you may not find many vendors with that silicon
11:28 AM roycroft: i have optical gear that's been in service for 20+ years that still works just fine
11:28 AM solarwind: but for anyone not doing datacenter backhauls, you really want OpenNetworking stack on there
11:28 AM roycroft: it was expensive up front but it is very reliable
11:29 AM bjorkintosh: besides, isn't cisco gear based on their own variant of (*BSD* is _not_ dying) BSD?
11:29 AM bjorkintosh: an OS we all love dearly.
11:29 AM * bjorkintosh does.
11:30 AM roycroft: i built a fiber ring from portland to medford (north to south in oregon along the i5 corridor, and back up to portland via central oregon in 2001 that is still going strong using the original equipment
11:30 AM roycroft: ios is not, afaik, based on bsd code
11:31 AM roycroft: but i would not swear to that
11:31 AM roycroft: my fiber nodes don't run ios anyway
11:31 AM roycroft: well, some of them have an ios-like interface for a few functions, but they're tl1-based, like most carrier-class gear
11:32 AM bjorkintosh: I was mistaken then.
11:32 AM bjorkintosh: must be thinking of juniper.
11:32 AM bjorkintosh: or some other thing.
11:32 AM roycroft: i think junos is roughly based on bsd, with a cli that mimics the ios cli
11:33 AM roycroft: we looked at juniper back in the early 2000s, but it wasn't robust enough for us
11:33 AM roycroft: they have, or had back then at least, a weird architecture
11:33 AM roycroft: they distributed memory on the i/o blades
11:34 AM roycroft: i think the idea was that as you add i/o you need more memory, so it made sense to put the memory on each blade as a way of ensuring you had enough
11:34 AM roycroft: the problem is that it made it impossible to hot-swap the blades
11:34 AM roycroft: you had to shut down, swap, then reboot the device, because a hot swap would remove a chunk of main memory
11:35 AM roycroft: hopefully they've overcome that by now
11:35 AM bjorkintosh: ouch.
11:35 AM roycroft: i don't work for the company where i built that fiber ring any more, but i have a friend who still does
11:36 AM roycroft: and i think that those nodes have an average uptime of over a decade
11:36 AM roycroft: in the telco world folks don't like any downtime at all
11:37 AM roycroft: Uptime for this control processor is 5 years, 29 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 3 minutes
11:37 AM roycroft: that's the main edge router at the isp where i work now
11:39 AM solarwind: I love my gear, 40 port 100Gb switch with all ports having breakout capability, PFC, ECN
11:39 AM solarwind: 400Gb RoCE link to my SAN server
11:39 AM solarwind: 800Gb/s*
11:39 AM bjorkintosh: damn.
11:39 AM solarwind: it's faster than the memory bandwidth of my thin clients lol
11:40 AM bjorkintosh: solarwind, it's a cisco?
11:40 AM solarwind: my threadripper can saturate the link and get a full 800Gb/s I/O throughput in both directions to the NVMe array and the RAMdisk
11:40 AM solarwind: bjorkintosh fuck no
11:40 AM bjorkintosh: hahaha
11:40 AM bjorkintosh: well you haven't said. just described it.
11:40 AM solarwind: with 100Gb QSFP transceivers being $6 each on ebay
11:41 AM bjorkintosh: is this the mikrotik?
11:41 AM solarwind: no
11:41 AM solarwind: It's a Dell, forgot the model
11:41 AM solarwind: but it doesn't matter, they all use the same broadcom chipset inside
11:42 AM solarwind: and they all do OpenNetworking so you can run whatever OS you want on the switch '
11:44 AM solarwind: iSCSI with RDMA is a monster
11:44 AM roycroft: back in the early days of bsd/os, nee bsd/386, i used to build routers running bsd with 4 port 100Mb ethernet cards and rs-422 ports
11:44 AM solarwind: all the computers in the workshop are thin clients with storage on the SAN.
11:44 AM roycroft: a good friend of mine wrote the packet filter code for bsdi, and i helped him with the specifications for that
11:46 AM roycroft: the packet filter code that bsdi tried to give away to openbsd, who rejected it because it came from a commercial company (even though it was offered with source code under the bsd license)
11:47 AM roycroft: at which point openbsd folks were complaining about the lack of decent packet filtering code, and ended up implementing something similar to what bsdi offered, but without nearly as much functionality, and requiring much more overhead
11:54 AM * roycroft , while missing the bsd operating system (and who used it from bsd1.0 onward until recently), is happy to be done with the openbsd drama
11:57 AM solarwind: Speaking of servers, AMD dropped the prices on the previous gen Epyc Milan
11:57 AM solarwind: You can get a server grade "low end" CPU for < $500 CAD. 128 PCIe 4.0 lanes
11:59 AM solarwind: 12 memory channels, huge cache. Only downside is low clock speed but that goes for all server CPUs except the frequency optimized ones. But thankfully, the new Threadripper HEDT is back just in time for my workstation upgrade
12:23 PM unterhausen: $500 for a cpu busts my budget for computers. $100 with a new ssd is my max.
12:24 PM roycroft: thank goodness i have no need for high-end, bleeding edge computing geear
12:55 PM Tom_L: lcnc is bleeding edge :)
12:55 PM roycroft: 2.8?
12:56 PM roycroft: i guess the edges cause bleeding if it's misconfigured or one does not pay attention
01:00 PM Tom_L: 2.9.1
01:00 PM Tom_L: 2.8 was last year's blood
01:01 PM roycroft: so it's no longer bleeding - it's fully conglutinated
01:22 PM JT-Shop: dammit missing a 6x11 screw...
01:23 PM Tom_L: that sounds like an odd size
01:24 PM JT-Woodshop: lots of them on a BlueWing
01:24 PM roycroft: i assume you're taking about m6
01:25 PM Tom_L: M6 x 11mm long?
01:26 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
01:26 PM Tom_L: M6 x 1 or M6 x.75?
01:27 PM Tom_L: local ace may have those
01:27 PM roycroft: possibly, although the 11mm length may be tough
01:27 PM roycroft: 10mm or 12mm more likely
01:27 PM Tom_L: or that new incompetent honda dealer may stock them
01:27 PM JT-Woodshop: https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda/90106-KY2-701?ref=ed1bb2dfda92bc9655bdb93b0bf6824ae90f7700
01:27 PM JT-Woodshop: no, it's a honda screw
01:28 PM JT-Woodshop: and I just found it by the drum sander... wtf
01:28 PM Tom_L: they are very proud of them
01:28 PM roycroft: that's just a button head screw
01:28 PM roycroft: teh mcmaster would have them for sure
01:29 PM JT-Woodshop: no it's not they have shoulders of different lengths
01:29 PM roycroft: or maybe not
01:29 PM roycroft: mcmaster have 10mm and 12mm
01:29 PM roycroft: oh
01:29 PM JT-Woodshop: the shoulder prevents a monkey from tightening down on the plastic part too much
01:29 PM roycroft: it's extra-fancy
01:29 PM JT-Woodshop: very extra fancy
01:29 PM roycroft: well you can always make one if you do lose one
01:30 PM Tom_L: sounds like a proper dealer / mfg
01:30 PM Tom_L: so
01:31 PM Tom_L: the mrs and young niece are making cookies and with me here it's very hard to keep the bowl full
01:31 PM roycroft: sounds like you should head out to the shop for a while to do some tinkering and not-fattening
01:32 PM JT-Woodshop: lol
01:32 PM Tom_L: the trick is don't get caught or you get scoulded
01:38 PM JT-Woodshop: lol
01:38 PM Tom_L: next will be peppernuts
01:38 PM Tom_L: now the trick with those is eat them before the boys get home from work
01:40 PM roycroft: or hide them
01:40 PM Tom_L: not everybody here likes anise flavor though
01:40 PM Tom_L: so that helps
01:41 PM roycroft: pfeffernüsse are one of my favorite cookies
01:42 PM Tom_L: sound yummy
01:42 PM * roycroft likes anise a lot
01:46 PM JT-Woodshop: it gets harder and harder to get the BlueWing up on the center stand
01:59 PM roycroft: suck up your pride and use an overhead hoist
02:00 PM bjorkintosh: wow. is the bluewing the rolls royce of motorcycles?
02:01 PM bjorkintosh: don't know much about them. I'd only ever heard of redwings I think.
02:01 PM bjorkintosh: gold wing. I meant, gold wing.
02:02 PM JT-Woodshop: redwing is shoes
02:02 PM JT-Woodshop: well I don't know if a goldwing is the rolls royce of motorcycles but there are more humbly davidsons out there
02:02 PM roycroft: if i had a motorcycle i'd want an indian, i think
02:02 PM roycroft: i like the style
02:03 PM roycroft: i'm not sure about the prone riding posture, though
02:03 PM JT-Woodshop: I'd think a BMW could be the rolls royce
02:03 PM * roycroft thinks if we're going there we should just convince rolls royce to build a motorcycle
02:04 PM roycroft: *that* would be the rolls royce of motorcycles, no question
02:25 PM bjorkintosh: since rolls royce is owned by bmw and bmw makes motorcycles ...
02:25 PM bjorkintosh: ipso facto etc QED
02:47 PM Tom_L: 71°F already
03:02 PM Tom_L: factoid: bench grinder works well for skin removal
03:02 PM roycroft: it is, indeed, a very effective exfoliator
03:03 PM * roycroft recommends using it for that very sparingly and intentionally, but knows it a device that thrives on entropic encounters
03:48 PM JT-Shop: BlueWing runs good, stops better than it has in a long time and is ready for winter :(
03:48 PM roycroft: stopping is good
03:49 PM XXCoder: “I make my cars to go, not to stop.” — Ettore Bugatti
03:50 PM roycroft: i try to use my brakes as little as possible
03:50 PM roycroft: but i need them to be there for me
03:51 PM roycroft: braking is wasting energy
03:51 PM roycroft: my prius has regenerative braking, so i can recover much of that energy in that vehicle
03:51 PM XXCoder: sadly my focus dont have such lol
03:52 PM XXCoder: truckers sure think my car is a prius
03:52 PM roycroft: but it's better to anticipate needed speed changes and decelerate ahead of time than to slam on the brakes at the last moment
03:52 PM XXCoder: been coal rolled at couple times
03:53 PM JT-Shop: my Insight has regenerative braking and gets a solid 50 MPG
03:53 PM XXCoder: my car stands at 28 mpg because I dont drive on freeways as much as I used to
03:53 PM XXCoder: was at 31 mpg average
03:54 PM roycroft: my prius is old, and i get about 48mpg on the open road these days
03:54 PM roycroft: low 40s when i'm just driving in town
03:55 PM XXCoder: not bad
03:55 PM roycroft: i can live with it
03:55 PM XXCoder: I want next car to be non-telsa ev, but honestly I dont think I would buy one for years
03:55 PM XXCoder: and way too many modern cars have screens I dont want to have
03:56 PM XXCoder: for reverse only its fine but yeah
03:56 PM JT-Shop: the Insight gets better MPG in town in stop and go traffic
03:59 PM roycroft: newer prius models do better in town than on the open road
04:16 PM JT-Shop: the 2024 C8 uses google :(
04:18 PM XXCoder: for what?
04:18 PM JT-Shop: navigation and pestering drivers
04:19 PM JT-Shop: I think it requires a data plan or a hot spot to work too
04:19 PM JT-Shop: that really sucks
04:19 PM XXCoder: yeah it'll be obselete in 5 years
04:19 PM XXCoder: I want to keep using car for 10 or mroe years thanks
04:20 PM JT-Shop: I used Rusty for 20 years
04:20 PM XXCoder: i bought focus in 2016 or so
04:20 PM XXCoder: its 2012 model
04:21 PM Tom_L: kid's trucks have google but no data plan afik
04:22 PM Tom_L: limited onstar
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I have basic onstar for 5 years I think
04:22 PM Tom_L: the onstar on the SUV pipes up and startles the hell outta me every now and then
04:23 PM Tom_L: it's an 18
04:23 PM JT-Shop: I've never heard a peep from mine
04:23 PM Tom_L: something to the affect that: you are connected to onstar limited services
04:24 PM Tom_L: just give it some time
04:24 PM Tom_L: did you have to do the whole voice activation thing?
04:24 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:24 PM JT-Shop: and got 3 months of all kinds of stuff I never used
04:25 PM XXCoder: total useless for me, that voice thing
04:25 PM Tom_L: by the time we finished the sale the dealer had been closed a while so the sales guy started it and sent us on the way
04:25 PM Tom_L: we weren't sure what all we were getting at the time
04:26 PM Tom_L: one kid likes to link his phone for his play list
04:26 PM Tom_L: i doubt the other one knows what all it does even yet
04:29 PM Tom_L: it's kinda like buying a new PC with all the crap loaded on it...
04:29 PM Tom_L: give you free subscriptions for a limited time then $$$
04:30 PM Tom_L: onstar, sirius xm and who knows what else
04:31 PM JT-Shop: I have 5 year xm that came with the car
04:31 PM JT-Shop: I do listen to it about 1/2 of the time
04:31 PM Tom_L: we had it in her honda
04:32 PM Tom_L: now she doesn't drive it near as much
04:32 PM Tom_L: the trucks are usually in the way so we just grab the fob for whichever one is easiest to get out :)
04:39 PM Tom_L: roadside assistance for vehicle problems and ins has it for the rest
04:41 PM Houseofcheese: Test curds please ignore
05:50 PM roycroft: portland cider co just put out their latest seasonal cider - cranberry, ginger, lime
05:50 PM roycroft: it is very refreshing, if a wee bit on the sweet side
05:50 PM roycroft: and to me, "a bit on the sweet side" is the same as "drier than the sahara desert" to most folks
05:52 PM * roycroft is not a fan of those satellite radio services
05:52 PM roycroft: i like to listen to local stations wherever i am - it gives me a better flavor of the community i'm in
05:53 PM roycroft: although once i get well into jefferson, almost all the stations are either jesus or whoever replaced rush limbaugh
05:53 PM roycroft: but that's where an ipod comes in handy
06:06 PM Roguish: forecast is finally showing wet the rest of the week.
06:07 PM Roguish: low pressure cell straight off the coast
06:08 PM roycroft: it's dry here right now, with sunny breaks, but the rain will be back soon
06:09 PM Roguish: dry here now too. but supposed to shower late tonight. hope so.
06:10 PM roycroft: as in wednesday at the latest
06:11 PM roycroft: it got up to 16 in eugene yesterday
06:11 PM roycroft: and i was on the southern coast much of the day, where it got up to 18
06:11 PM roycroft: downright balmy
06:11 PM Roguish: yeah, you're talking in C
06:12 PM roycroft: yes
06:12 PM roycroft: i gave up on our parochial, archaic units of measurement years ago
06:12 PM roycroft: it's all relative
06:13 PM Roguish: i stick to what i'm used too.
06:13 PM roycroft: if i were in north dakota or minnesota, i might think those temps are balmy even if they were in the old units
06:14 PM roycroft: fedex must have some empty planes
06:14 PM roycroft: my router shipped ground today from ohio
06:14 PM roycroft: fedex just updated the delivery from monday next to tomorrow
06:20 PM roycroft: meanwhile, my local festool dealer wanted me to pay in full to order it and estimated delivery in 2-6 months
06:20 PM roycroft: which is why i did not order it from them
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: was at a big CNC shop that does aerospace and milspec earlier.....
06:28 PM CaptHindsight: ends up their big headache is 5-axis machine alignment
06:28 PM CaptHindsight: the guberment makes them align their machines on some regular schedule if they need it or not
06:28 PM Tom_L: how so?
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: they have some test procedure and alignment fixtures
06:29 PM Tom_L: that probably happens to most of the shops here, i never hear about it
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: I was just a visitor so the actual steps were not shared
06:30 PM Tom_L: were you escorted?
06:30 PM Tom_L: i was once on the F3xx something.. i forget which one now
06:30 PM Tom_L: f35?
06:31 PM Tom_L: kid runs blackhawk parts
06:31 PM Tom_L: amongst other stuff
06:32 PM Tom_L: my bud and i went to that shop to look at some cnc software
06:34 PM CaptHindsight: yeah I wasn't wandering around by myself
06:34 PM Tom_L: :)
06:34 PM CaptHindsight: it wasn't top security but they did keep track of me
06:35 PM Tom_L: i know they're fixing one of the gantries at his shop but that's not due to mil spec
06:35 PM Tom_L: this guy didn't leave our side at that shop
06:35 PM Tom_L: at the time those fighters were just coming out
06:41 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, build or wait?
06:42 PM Tom_L: doesn't look like you're quite ready
09:11 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: reminds me of my old job at resistor chip factory
09:11 PM XXCoder: once saw small room with fairly large bag of gold capped resistors with miliary guy and bored coworker just standing by it
09:12 PM XXCoder: found it was for electrics for miliary. pretty olvious but yeah