#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 31 2023

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:51 AM Deejay: moin
04:19 AM Tom_L: morning
04:22 AM Tom_L: 33°F
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:57 AM JT-Cave: 29°F
05:06 AM JT-Cave: amazon finally re-ordered my GM bi-directional scan tool... I think the delivery person kept it or it's delivered to a similar name road with the same address
06:06 AM JT-Cave: so why did amazon send me a return label for an item I didn't get?
06:54 AM JT-Cave: well my Ctek battery charger/maintainer is out for delivery... I wonder where they might deliver it to?
07:05 AM Tom_L: maybe you should start sending gps coordinates instead of an address
07:08 AM JT-Cave: you would think that the scanner would tell them they are at the wrong house like ups does
07:24 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
07:41 AM JT-Cave: I think I'll print the return label and mail back an empty box with a note how can I return something I never received
07:47 AM JT-Cave: finally got through to a person and they said just ignore the return label...
10:11 AM Roguish: good morning all. a bit chilly here. 38 outside
10:15 AM CaptHindsight: light dusting of snow
10:18 AM Tom_L: 31 & sunny
10:19 AM roycroft: we had a light frost
10:19 AM roycroft: there's snow in the foothills
10:37 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it is way to early in the year to be in the low 40s here...
10:39 AM CaptHindsight: was near 80F last week
10:39 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i think it was here as well during the day
10:40 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it's still 8:30am here so it will probably get into the 60s
10:41 AM CaptHindsight: 33F here and more light snow possible
10:42 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: yuck. no snow here pretty much ever thankfully
10:43 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: gotta drive 20-30 min to see snow usually
10:46 AM rmu: LUNADA_DESKTOP: DON'T YOU LIKE SNOW
10:47 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i hate living in it
10:47 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i'm a car guy
10:47 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i grew up in the rust belt
10:48 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i just have to drive to elevation if i want to see it here.
10:49 AM CaptHindsight: I really would not miss it for several years
10:49 AM CaptHindsight: but it does keep the bugs away
11:00 AM bjorkintosh: it doesn't just keep the bugs away, it's part of the essential cycle which makes the planet habitable in the first place.
11:00 AM bjorkintosh: when it stops, we all fucking die.
11:01 AM bjorkintosh: no point even repenting because it will be Game Over when the snow stops falling.
11:01 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: not saying it should stop, i just dont want to live in it lol
11:02 AM * roycroft likes having a vertical climate
11:04 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: when it starts snowing here regularly is when we should be worried
11:04 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: as it is, it's an unseasonably cool year for us.
11:11 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as unterhausen
11:34 AM CaptHindsight: hbjorkintosh: ow does the rain forest survive without snow? Something sounds fishy
11:35 AM Tom_L: it's full of critters that wouldn't survive the snow
11:35 AM CaptHindsight: i think he's a 4th grade teacher, maybe even 5th
11:36 AM Tom_L: hard to tell anymore the way they've dumbed down the education system
11:36 AM rmu: you seem to have a poor definition of "rain forest" if it implies "free of snow"
11:37 AM CaptHindsight: snow forest?
11:38 AM rmu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongass_National_Forest
11:38 AM CaptHindsight: oh a poor shamer
11:38 AM CaptHindsight: sounds disgusting
11:40 AM CaptHindsight: and appears to be bug free
11:43 AM rmu: even antarctica has insects, so there is probably no region on earth that is really "bug free"
11:43 AM CaptHindsight: if it's not on wikipedia it didn't happen
11:44 AM rmu: no
11:45 AM CaptHindsight: even dah oceans?
11:47 AM rmu: go search for a bug free area on the oceans and report back when you found it
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: on wikipedia?
11:48 AM Tom_L: ask siri
11:48 AM CaptHindsight: siri doesn't talk to me
11:49 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: crustaceans are in the same family as bees arent they?
11:50 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: either way, lobsters are the bee's knees. especially with salted butter
11:50 AM CaptHindsight: I'm try to avoid bugs, not eat them
11:51 AM CaptHindsight: and grammar
11:51 AM rmu: i'm not even sure what you mean with "bug", maybe you include bacteria and other pathogens?
11:51 AM CaptHindsight: it's ok, let's change the topic to something even more fun
11:54 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: politics? :')
11:55 AM Tom_L: racism?
11:55 AM LUNADA_DESKTOP: same thing typically
11:55 AM Tom_L: alphabet soup ppl?
11:57 AM rmu: the weather was as fine a off-topic topic as they come
11:57 AM roycroft: weather is overrated
11:59 AM Tom_L: yeah, it's either too cold or too hot
11:59 AM Tom_L: or too wet or too dry
12:05 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: that's why i moved to san diego
12:05 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it's pretty much room temp most days
12:05 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: and dry
12:05 PM roycroft: i remember going to a usenix conference in san diego about 20 years ago
12:05 PM roycroft: it was april
12:05 PM roycroft: we were coming out of winter here in eugene
12:06 PM roycroft: the temperature was in the low 20s in san diego (70s using that funky fahrenheit scale)
12:06 PM roycroft: my friends and i were in shorts, enjoying the warm weather at an outdoor cafe
12:06 PM roycroft: the locals were there huddled in sweaters
12:07 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: lol yea
12:07 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: sounds about right
12:07 PM CaptHindsight: the study and cultivation of sheds
12:08 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it also depends on where you are in SD though. the temps can swing 20+ degrees over a 15 min drive
12:08 PM CaptHindsight: anywhere near Mission Beach?
12:08 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i'm not
12:09 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i am in north county. so 45 min from there maybe
12:09 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i live in a rural inland town so i get a bit more weather than the coast
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: 45 min by surfboard
12:10 PM rmu: i hope that 20 degree swing is in farenheit
12:10 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: yes
12:10 PM rmu: that would be hell of a temperature drop/increase in K
12:10 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i'm about 20 miles from the beach
12:10 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: so surfboards would be rough lol
12:11 PM roycroft: depends on the weather
12:11 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i work in a costal city though. it's usually a 10deg (f) difference from work to home
12:12 PM CaptHindsight: I used to stay with friends in Mission Beach and El Cajon
12:12 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: were there bars on the windows in el cajon? lol
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: I recall the planes from Miramar
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: this was the 80's
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: has it gotten much rougher?
12:14 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: not sure, i moved here in 03. things were definitely different in the 80s though
12:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: every town has some decent and shitty spots, but el cajon definitely has a certain stigma
12:15 PM CaptHindsight: spent more time on the coast
12:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: most of my neighbors are horses
12:16 PM CaptHindsight: but coming from Chicago it was all pretty tame
12:16 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: yea it seems pretty tame compared to where i grew up in CT as well
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: sad or just long faces?
12:17 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: literal horses
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: I'm in a semi-horse area now
12:18 PM CaptHindsight: the trails are pretty segregated
12:18 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: we have 9000 people in my town of like 28 square miles. most properties have a number of horses. i wouldnt be surprised if there were more horses than people here
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: we used to have a regular in here from San Diego, he had a complete CNC shop in his attached garage
12:19 PM CaptHindsight: he made bike parts
12:22 PM CaptHindsight: anyone ever hear from archivist after he gave up the intertubes?
12:31 PM roycroft: i haven't seen nor heard of him since he stepped away, and that's been some years now
12:31 PM roycroft: hopefully he's enjoying his retirement
12:31 PM roycroft: the internet, after all, is overrated
12:35 PM JT-Cave: someone went by his house once to check on him after is abrupt disappearing act
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: yes, I recall but I was wondering after that
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: hope he is doing well
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: i recall shortly before he left his website was molested
01:24 PM roycroft: i just received a parcel that was addressed interestingly
01:25 PM roycroft: it was sent to my name, my street address
01:25 PM roycroft: but instead of my city, state, and zipcode it said "soultrain"
01:25 PM * roycroft never knew he lived on the soul train
01:25 PM roycroft: but the parcen arrived, so i must
01:40 PM XXCoder: fancy
01:41 PM roycroft: yeah, i think at lunch i'll go visit my neighbor next door, who must be james brown
01:42 PM roycroft: and smokey robinson must live next door on the other side
01:53 PM rmu: does anybody here know GNU Parallel
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: sssssooooouuuulll tttrrrraaaaiiiinnnnn
02:40 PM solarwind: rmu yes
02:40 PM solarwind: rmu but these days xargs does everything parallel does
02:41 PM roycroft: including using the same fascist license
02:42 PM rmu: ?
02:42 PM solarwind: roycroft you mean the GPL?
02:42 PM roycroft: yes
02:42 PM rmu: solarwind: xargs doesn't "serialize" stdout
02:42 PM solarwind: the GPL is the only reason greedy capitalist assholes haven't stolen everything and ran away with it
02:43 PM rmu: roycroft: what license do you think does linuxcnc use?
02:43 PM roycroft: a bad one
02:43 PM roycroft: the bsd license is much better
02:43 PM solarwind: corporations will fucking steal everything and never give back anything if they could
02:43 PM solarwind: Richard Stallman is a hero
02:43 PM solarwind: there is so much proof of this
02:44 PM solarwind: just look at openssl or any of the other licences that allow theft
02:44 PM internut: I've worked for several corporations that USED OSS and also contributed to OSS
02:44 PM solarwind: internut that is the rare exception
02:44 PM internut: Comcast
02:44 PM internut: Capital One
02:44 PM internut: are two biggies
02:44 PM roycroft: it's not theft if you give it away
02:45 PM solarwind: how much funding do you think the core OSS projects receive?
02:45 PM solarwind: multibillion dollar corporations rely on them to function
02:45 PM solarwind: it's like saying taxation is theft
02:45 PM rmu: lets get back to discuss rainforests and snow
02:45 PM internut: okay, so both of those companies have a policy that they only contribute stuff that they use internally
02:45 PM solarwind: or decrease taxes and it'll "trickle down" to the worker
02:45 PM solarwind: that's a complete joke
02:45 PM internut: so, they put a lot into developing it
02:46 PM solarwind: corporate greed knows no bounds
02:46 PM internut: in some cases, I've seen companies pay money to the OSS devs to add features
02:46 PM rmu: if somebody has anything useful to say, look at runtests and how to put parallel or similar into it to allow running tests in parallel
02:46 PM solarwind: oh how merciful they are
02:46 PM internut: I totally agree about the greed, but, sometimes the greedy thing to do is to support OSS
02:47 PM solarwind: rmu well if you have a specific task, sometimes it's better to optimize it in a more specific way
02:47 PM solarwind: gnu parallel is meant to be something quick to use on the command line for simple tasks
02:48 PM * roycroft does not conflate corporate greed and a poorly-written, highly restrictive "open source" software license
02:49 PM rmu: solarwind: the test runner in linuxcnc is a big shell script that runs tests in a serial sequence. it will be possible to run parallel linuxcnc instances, so it would be nice to run tests in parallel
02:49 PM rmu: one per core or so
02:49 PM rmu: instant speedup
02:49 PM solarwind: Yes, that's simple to do
02:49 PM rmu: of wallclock time
02:50 PM rmu: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/scripts/runtests.in
02:51 PM solarwind: My only allegiance is to the realm, the people, not to any country or corporation. If I work, it is to advance science and society, not the wealth of any country or corporation. We know from infinite experience how greedy half the population is.
02:52 PM roycroft: i don't disagree about greed
02:53 PM solarwind: rmu don't need parallel for that
02:53 PM solarwind: just need to write a proper test runner
02:54 PM solarwind: I would rewrite that in Python using py.test
02:54 PM solarwind: It would be perfect for this. It can dynamically find and generate test cases and has full control of exactly what you want to run and how you want to parallelize
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: do rain forests use Python?
03:07 PM roycroft: they mostly use boa
03:08 PM JT-Shop: florida uses python
03:08 PM roycroft: florida uses florida man for everything
03:09 PM * JT-Shop just scraped a quarter size chunk of skin off his arm
03:10 PM * Tom_L wonders why JT-Shop would do such a silly thing
03:11 PM JT-Shop: well not on purpose for sure
03:11 PM Tom_L: found out why the snake broke
03:11 PM JT-Shop: what
03:12 PM Tom_L: 2" fed into a 4" (crazy) and he used a 2" snake as far as he could and it just wouldn't go back thru the 2" line with all the roots attached
03:12 PM roycroft: that makes sens
03:12 PM roycroft: e
03:12 PM roycroft: not the using the 2" snake in a 2" pipe
03:12 PM roycroft: but the why it broke part
03:12 PM Tom_L: so they're adding a 4" cleanout at that intersection
03:13 PM roycroft: or are you saying it started out as 4" where he was feeding the snake?
03:14 PM JT-Shop: that make sense once your snake is bigger than 2" your screwed
03:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/Pipe_problem.jpg
03:16 PM Tom_L: silly what they did 100 yrs ago
03:16 PM Tom_L: no way in hell has that 4" ever been cleaned properly
03:17 PM Tom_L: crooked too
03:17 PM JT-Shop: cast iron pipe?
03:17 PM Tom_L: the 2" is
03:17 PM Tom_L: the 4" is clay
03:19 PM JT-Shop: I lived in a ww2 built house in Pascagoula Ms and when I replaced the clay root filled sewer pipe I was 6' under the ground by the time I got to the last one
03:20 PM JT-Shop: freaking rear wheel lug nuts were damn tight on the bluewing
03:21 PM Tom_L: probably haven't been off in a while
03:21 PM JT-Shop: can't remember when I last changed the tires
03:26 PM JT-Shop: gotta rebuild the forks too...
03:26 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/Pipe_solution.jpg
03:27 PM Tom_L: you get your seal 'hammer' machined?
03:27 PM JT-Shop: no
03:27 PM XXCoder: huh so it goes up a bit then go to rest of pipes?
03:28 PM Tom_L: that's a cleanout they added
03:28 PM Tom_L: this is a single 2" line all by itself that ties into the main line in the yard
03:28 PM Tom_L: that 4" in the pic Y connects to the main ouside somewhere
03:29 PM Tom_L: aparently that was a thing back then
03:29 PM JT-Shop: interesting T
03:29 PM Tom_L: it's for cleanouts
03:30 PM Tom_L: sweeps both ways
03:30 PM JT-Shop: saw that
03:30 PM Tom_L: not gonna go far one way :)
03:31 PM Tom_L: he went to get a bag of cement to put under it so it won't sag there
03:31 PM Tom_L: then fill in and snake the 4"
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: the miracles of PVC
03:32 PM JT-Shop: trying to remove the trailer hitch from the bluewing but the lock will not open...
03:33 PM Tom_L: get a bigger sawzall
03:33 PM JT-Shop: and so much for laying it down today and changing the tire now that I'm walking wounded
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: that sucks, how much digging did you have to do to find the transition from 2-4?
03:33 PM Tom_L: me? none
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
03:33 PM Tom_L: but it took them quite a while to figure it out
03:34 PM Tom_L: dug one dead end then tried again with a probe until they figured it out
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: old house surprises
03:34 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:35 PM Tom_L: i had mine done quite a few years back
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: I once had a 100 year old house that looked in pretty good shape until... I took the ceiling apart in the basement
03:36 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/drain1.jpg
03:36 PM Tom_L: datestamp says 2016
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: at some point the pipes on the second floor had burst and flooded the first story and actually warped the floor by 2-3 inches
03:36 PM Tom_L: i can believe that
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: the floor joists were bent into a 2-3" offset near the cast iron waste stacks, they held their height but the rest of the floor did not
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: so to fix the problem they just built a new floor over the old warped one
03:38 PM Tom_L: heh
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: also explained why there was a 2" step up to go from living room to hallway
03:38 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: debian 12 is significantly different than 11. just got it all installed
03:39 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: lots of windows vibes
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: I've been using Sid the past few years so I don't know when Debian really changes
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: seems like all the time and never
03:40 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 11 felt a lot like ubuntu
03:40 PM CaptHindsight: which desktop?
03:40 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: cinnamon i think
03:41 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: if thats what youre asking
03:41 PM JT-Shop: I find Mate the least offensive to use
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: ah, I have used XFCE for many years, seems to just get better all the time
03:42 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: since i primarily use windows 11, this is fine for me
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: old gnome was nice for me, had everything but then they went nuts
03:44 PM Tom_L: the new iso is xfce which is probably lighter weight than mate
03:44 PM JT-Shop: I've not looked at xfce in a few years
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: I'm just used to XFCE now and don't really care or think that I'll ever have a decent desktop again
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: at least it's not like Android or iOS
03:46 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: the guy who's going to be running this machine isn't very computer savvy (far less than me if that's even possible), so he will only be using linuxcnc and that's it
03:46 PM XXCoder: xfce have been good to me for years
03:46 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i'll make the icon huge for him
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: we use XFCE on Gentoo as well
03:47 PM Roguish: strip it of everything not absolutely essential. it's a machine contoller, not a media station.
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: but you need to watch youtubes
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: how else do you learn howto do anything
03:47 PM Roguish: ah, read
03:48 PM JT-Shop: Roguish, passed 10k miles the other day on the C8
03:48 PM Roguish: wow. pedal to the medal
03:48 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: oh you have a c8? how do you like it?
03:48 PM CaptHindsight: you're going to wear it out
03:48 PM Roguish: how many miles for the wife ????
03:48 PM JT-Shop: she don't sit in the garage and be a queen lol
03:49 PM JT-Shop: she drove it once
03:49 PM Roguish: as long as she's happy.....
03:49 PM JT-Shop: the C8 is light years better than the C5 we had
03:49 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: my buddy just took delivery of his zo6 with the z07 package
03:49 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 2023
03:49 PM JT-Shop: yes she seems to be happy just riding in the right side and being a right side driver
03:50 PM JT-Shop: oh my that's a bad ass motor in there
03:50 PM Roguish: on the topic of cars, why the fuck are all the pickup trucks these day 4 doors?
03:50 PM JT-Shop: so you can get in the back seat
03:50 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: lol
03:50 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: so my dog can get in the back seat
03:51 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:51 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: she's almost 15, she's not doing a reg cab anymore
03:51 PM roycroft: because most pickups these days are sold to suburban men who have no need for one other than to show off
03:51 PM JT-Shop: do you have a handy ramp for her?
03:51 PM roycroft: and they have families to schlep around
03:51 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i pick her up, she's only 45lbs
03:52 PM internut: suburban man here. I do more than just 'show off'
03:52 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop do you have the dct trans?
03:52 PM internut: but I will admit that I don't really need the bed all that often
03:52 PM JT-Shop: yes all C8's have the 8 speed dct transmission
03:52 PM roycroft: my pickup has a crew cab
03:53 PM roycroft: i actualy find it useful for hauling things in the rain
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I use the back seat ad the storage under the seat in my truck a lot
03:53 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i have a 4 door f150 with the 5.5' bed and it does more work than most 1 tons lol
03:53 PM Tom_L: Roguish, you'd probably have to be looking for a fleet truck nowdays to find a 2 door
03:53 PM roycroft: or when i'm going to multiple stores and need to secure things
03:53 PM Tom_L: both my boys' are 4 door
03:53 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop didnt know that was the only option. how is it?
03:53 PM roycroft: but i'd rather have gotten one with a standard cab - i don't need the extra length
03:53 PM Tom_L: back seat has gobs of room
03:53 PM XXCoder: modern trucks is fed way too much growth medicine
03:53 PM roycroft: mine's an f350, and it has a full length bed
03:54 PM roycroft: that plus the crew cab makes it really long
03:54 PM JT-Shop: it shifts so fast and smooth it's unreal after being a 6 speed guy
03:54 PM internut: I have a 2001 F150 with the 'extended cab' it bummed me out that the shorter (5.5') bed with the crew cab wasn't available until the year following
03:54 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop yea i went from a magnum t56 to a dct in my 67 camaro. it's sooo much more fun
03:54 PM * roycroft needs the 8' bed but doesn't need the crew cab
03:54 PM internut: but my F150 is a stick
03:54 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, get your saws all out and shorten it
03:54 PM internut: and I've taken it off-roading MANY times including to Moab
03:56 PM JT-Shop: LUNADA_DESKTOP, https://gnipsel.com/images/vehicles/c8/C8%20River%20Ridge.jpg
03:56 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: sexy
03:57 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: here's mine
03:57 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/381235116_280491238080765_5642868685009592526_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=pgLYacS39r0AX82f5Xu&_nc_ht=scontent.fsan1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDHH5jxSXGVFlPa9-troqqcjSAJt7E9rmOZVvLZW4cSoQ&oe=6545D5E7
03:57 PM XXCoder: whats that front thing
03:57 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: splitter
03:57 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: for aero
03:58 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: obviously not for looks. along with the wing lol
03:59 PM XXCoder: lol ok
03:59 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it's mainly a track car at this point
03:59 PM internut: you guys are cooler than me
03:59 PM internut: but I've got one of these: https://autohunter.com/Listing/Details/869510/5KMile-1996-Ford-Mustang-Cobra-Convertible-5Speed
04:00 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice. my first v8 car was an sn95
04:00 PM Roguish: my first v8 was a '5 mustang
04:00 PM Roguish: 65
04:00 PM Roguish: mustang
04:00 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice
04:03 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: ooof. my latency went to around 10,000,000 when i switched to 12
04:06 PM roycroft: my first v8 was a '72 (i think) olds delta 88
04:06 PM roycroft: that thing was a boat
04:06 PM roycroft: a big boat
04:06 PM JT-Shop: LUNADA_DESKTOP, where do you track it at?
04:07 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop mostly chuckwalla raceway or buttonwillow in california
04:07 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: been to vegas once
04:07 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i do a lot of autocross too
04:07 PM internut: hehe
04:07 PM internut: I have been to vegas dozens of times, and NEVER ONCE voluntarily
04:07 PM JT-Shop: I'm going to spring mountain in march to take the ron fellows course
04:09 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice, that sounds fun
04:10 PM JT-Shop: mainly to learn the capabilities of the C8 in a safe place
04:10 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i only go to vegas voluntarily for sema or racing
04:10 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop i've been on the track with them, they do decent, especially for a stock car
04:11 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i think the mid engine thing would be the hardest to get used to at the limit of the car
04:11 PM JT-Shop: it handles so much better than the C5 I'm just blown away
04:11 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i bet
04:12 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: plus... rear grip
04:12 PM JT-Shop: it has the widest tires of any production car
04:12 PM JT-Shop: 13" rear, 11" front
04:12 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: c7 was a big jump from the c5/c6. c8 is an even bigger jump from the sounds of it
04:12 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice
04:13 PM JT-Shop: yup, the C7 was about the max for the front engine... too bad they could not make a rim for it that didn't crack
04:14 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i run 315s squared, mainly for ease of tire choices
04:15 PM roycroft: i've been to tahoe and reno, but never vegas
04:15 PM roycroft: and i hope to keep avoiding vegas for the rest of my lie
04:15 PM roycroft: life
04:15 PM JT-Shop: I've had a layover at reno
04:15 PM JT-Shop: I will have to fly to vegas to drive to spring mountain
04:15 PM roycroft: i could tolerate that
04:15 PM roycroft: the layover
04:16 PM roycroft: i could even tolerate flying there to get a rental car to drive to not vegas
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I won about $50 in quarters... quite heavy
04:16 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i dont hate it that much. i go for work occasionally and have a good time
04:16 PM roycroft: in the airport casino?
04:16 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:16 PM JT-Shop: then I had to go to the main terminal to cash in the quarters lol
04:17 PM roycroft: "a good time" for me would be going to the beach or hiking in the mountains or going to a concert or a museum
04:17 PM roycroft: i guess that's the difference
04:18 PM roycroft: don't get me wrong - if i had to go to vegas for work or something i'd make the most of the time there
04:18 PM roycroft: but the stuff folks do there is not the stuff i'd normally seek out a way to be able to do
04:18 PM roycroft: (not that there's anything wrong with any of that)
04:20 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i dont usually gamble. i may throw 20 bucks in just to do it
04:21 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: but i dont mind the occasional night life
04:21 PM JT-Shop: that's what we do $20 and when it's gone we are gone... having said that we have probably have done that less than 6 times in our life
04:21 PM roycroft: yeah, it's something i'd do if i were there
04:21 PM roycroft: but i don't go to casinos much
04:21 PM roycroft: most towns where i hang out on the coast have a tribal casino
04:21 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: top golf was fun. not typically a golfer though
04:21 PM roycroft: i haven't stepped foot in one for at least 20 years
04:21 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i have i think 4 casinos in my town
04:22 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i can take a dirt road to one lol
04:22 PM roycroft: for one thing, the tribal casinos still allow smoking
04:22 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i never go though. went once or twice maybe
04:22 PM XXCoder: last went to vegas in 2008
04:22 PM roycroft: and while they all have a non-smoking section, one generally has to walk through the smoky part to get to it
04:22 PM JT-Shop: LUNADA_DESKTOP, what kind of car is your race car?
04:22 PM XXCoder: gambled nothing. was there for fun not to waste money
04:22 PM roycroft: so that is a show stopper for me
04:22 PM roycroft: gambling is fun for many
04:22 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: JT-Shop https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/381235116_280491238080765_5642868685009592526_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=pgLYacS39r0AX82f5Xu&_nc_ht=scontent.fsan1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDHH5jxSXGVFlPa9-troqqcjSAJt7E9rmOZVvLZW4cSoQ&oe=6545D5E7
04:23 PM roycroft: and i can see the appeal
04:23 PM roycroft: it just doesn't do anything for me
04:23 PM roycroft: although it would be nice to win the lottery some day ...
04:23 PM roycroft: but that would require buying lottery tickets, and that's something i never get around to doing
04:23 PM JT-Shop: saw the photo but don't know that type of car
04:24 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 67 camaro. stroked ls3 (416ci), bmw dct transmission, bmw e90 m3 abs brakes, custom made front and rear independent suspension
04:24 PM roycroft: maybe i should buy one some day to see if i can win or not
04:24 PM JT-Shop: LUNADA_DESKTOP, very nice indeed
04:24 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: thanks!
04:25 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: full steel body still
04:25 PM JT-Shop: I should have known a 67 camaro lol
04:25 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: regularly eats porsches for dinner lol
04:25 PM JT-Shop: very nice
04:26 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: thanks. it's my money pit.
04:26 PM JT-Shop: I can imagine it's worse than a boat
04:26 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: guess it depends on the size of the boat
04:27 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: but yea, tires alone are usually brutal each year
04:28 PM JT-Shop: the salesman told me I had to get the Z51 option to get the performance exhaust so I assumed I was getting summer only tires
04:28 PM JT-Shop: so I ordered a set of all season tires to be swapped with the rims a the PDI
04:29 PM JT-Shop: only to find that the salesman was wrong and I was getting exactly what I ordered so I had to send the tires back
04:29 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: oops
04:29 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETiqrl0Wrs&t=221s
04:29 PM JT-Shop: only cost me $40 to send them back
04:30 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: that vid was before the dct and aero
04:30 PM JT-Shop: running a nice line
04:31 PM JT-Shop: where is the camera
04:33 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: thasnks. first time there so a little sloppy. it's mounted basically below the grille on the right side of the car
04:33 PM JT-Shop: I kind of though it was on the right side
04:34 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr7QpqYYnDE
04:34 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: here you can see where the crack in my lens came from lol
04:36 PM JT-Shop: did he just slow down and let you pass?
04:37 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: he went off track
04:37 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: so yea basically
04:37 PM JT-Shop: opps I missed that
04:37 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: camera perspective makes him look way farther away than he was
04:38 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cftc5j4rYk4
04:39 PM JT-Shop: pdr from a c8 at spring mountain
04:41 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice. looks like a tight fun track
04:43 PM JT-Shop: I "think" it depends on how the track is configured, I've heard there are a few ways to run the track and some faster than others
04:47 PM Roguish: try Willow Springs, just north of LA
04:48 PM JT-Shop: too far for me for sure
04:48 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: ive done willow on a bike
04:48 PM Roguish: or Laguna Seca
04:48 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: but that was like 20 years ago
04:49 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: really wanna do laguna but i need to do a day with no sound limit
04:49 PM JT-Shop: there's one track by St Louis that a benefit club rents a few times a year that I could run on
04:50 PM JT-Shop: a $250 donation gets you 10 minutes per hour all day
04:53 PM Roguish: ok, just send in 1st invoice for my current project..... 2x what SS pays....
04:53 PM bjorkintosh: good job Roguish.
04:54 PM bjorkintosh: remember to hold back taxes.
04:56 PM JT-Shop: way to go
04:56 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nice!
04:56 PM JT-Shop: this month is an early SS month tomorrow is the first Wednesday
04:58 PM * roycroft got his state income tax refund already
04:58 PM roycroft: the irs will take its sweet time, i'm sure
04:59 PM JT-Shop: income tax refunds in the 3rd quarter?
05:00 PM roycroft: i filed an extension in april, so my taxes were due on october 16
05:00 PM JT-Shop: ah ok that makes sense
05:01 PM roycroft: i had too much going on in april, and wanted more time to make sure i got everything right
05:01 PM JT-Shop: and I've been there and done that too
05:01 PM roycroft: i also sent checks to the state and feds to make sure i had paid enough
05:01 PM roycroft: now its time to get that back
05:04 PM JT-Shop: I would rather pay at tax time so they don't get to use my money for free
05:21 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WCaFPWpChgen
05:24 PM bjorkintosh: 3 days outside? on a bike? Not even once!
05:25 PM bjorkintosh: too many damned mosquitoes.
05:25 PM JT-Shop: if you let them bite you enough you get used to it
05:25 PM bjorkintosh: https://inria.hal.science/hal-01526813v1/document A Possible First Use of CAM/CAD
05:25 PM bjorkintosh: JT-Shop, hahah! you're kidding!
05:26 PM JT-Shop: nope
05:26 PM bjorkintosh: it frigging itches.
05:26 PM JT-Shop: not after you get bit enough
05:26 PM JT-Shop: you become immune to them
05:29 PM bjorkintosh: hmm.
05:33 PM bjorkintosh: according to the paper above, APT was one of the first compiled languages to exist!
05:33 PM bjorkintosh: I didn't know that.
05:34 PM bjorkintosh: it was started in '56 and completed in '59, right about the time lisp came out.
05:34 PM bjorkintosh: fortran (the first one, for the 704) came out in '57!
05:34 PM bjorkintosh: how fascinating.
05:34 PM JT-Shop: I was 4 then
05:35 PM JT-Shop: my Ferguson is a 56
05:36 PM JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/1J_eCz_tOFc?t=2020
05:36 PM JT-Shop: spam
05:38 PM JT-Shop: the only thing worse is scrapple
05:38 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9NV8mmm20
05:38 PM bjorkintosh: scrapple?
05:39 PM JT-Shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple
05:40 PM jdh: I'm still using fortran. never heard of apt
05:40 PM bjorkintosh: silly me. I thought you were referring to a bad apple product.
05:40 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:40 PM bjorkintosh: jdh, APT is what the first CNC machine from MIT was programmed in.
05:40 PM bjorkintosh: the famous ash tray?
05:42 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Aluminium-ashtray-produced-with-the-Numerically-Controlled-Milling-Machine-MIT_fig8_270278459
05:42 PM bjorkintosh: if you look at the image, you'll see APT engraved on there. that's from '59.
05:42 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
05:43 PM bjorkintosh: jdh, what are you currently using fortran for?
05:44 PM jdh: supervisory machine control, ultrasonic inspections
05:44 PM bjorkintosh: if it's g77, I might guess they're models written from one of the national labs.
05:44 PM bjorkintosh: really.
05:47 PM bjorkintosh: I have so far not been able to pinpoint the shift from APT to G-Code. My guess is somewhere around '72.
05:47 PM jdh: heh. no, all legacy code running since the late 80's
05:47 PM bjorkintosh: but my google-fu has totally failed in that regard. not enough historical interest in g-code and its origins.
05:47 PM jdh: migrated from PDP->VAX->alpha
05:47 PM bjorkintosh: you still have an alpha or is it emulated?
05:48 PM jdh: 6 of them
05:48 PM bjorkintosh: Wow.
05:48 PM bjorkintosh: any plans to virtualize them?
05:49 PM bjorkintosh: I mean, how do you get support if you were to dump a whole bunch of coffee on all 6 at once?
05:49 PM jdh: not really. they last forever
05:49 PM jdh: replace a PS every few years
05:51 PM jdh: https://www.islandco.com/hp-alphaserver/hp-alphaserver-ds10/alphaserver-ds10-600mhz-special-cto-server
05:53 PM bjorkintosh: that's cool.
05:55 PM jdh: or sad. take your pick
05:56 PM bjorkintosh: well it's not broken.
05:57 PM bjorkintosh: a few short years back, I read about a michigan school district which relied on one amiga system to control the hvac system.
05:57 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a16010/30-year-old-computer-runs-school-heat/
05:59 PM bjorkintosh: very sound design is the reason it's not broken, jdh.
06:00 PM bjorkintosh: I suspect if a replacement were to be created, it would involve an initial 100 TB node.js download to tell you to download a petabyte of out of date node modules.
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: they probably wanted good graphics for the HVAC
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: lots of HVAC is intensely computational, there is inside temp, outside temp and do the heat get turned on or the cooling
06:20 PM bjorkintosh: its replacement was estimated to cost around 2 million dollars in 2015.
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: i would offer to do it for no less than 3-4 million USD
06:21 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i am assuming i cant run linuxcnc without the 7i70 and 7i71 boards attached if the config files have them for i/o?
06:22 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: damnit got booted
06:22 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it's saying the pins dont exist. trying to figure out if it's a hal/ini issue or just the fact that i dont have the boards connected to the 7i92t
07:11 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: hooked everything up and i got linuxcnc to open
07:11 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: nothing works yet aside from that
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: kind of expected. does anyone know if i need all of these connected on the 7i70 and 7i71? i have one field and the vin logic and ground hooked up. manual doesnt seem to specify.
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP:  1 VFIELD FIELD POWER 5-32V (Bottom pin)
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 2 VFIELD FIELD POWER 5-32V
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 3 VFIELD FIELD POWER 5-32V
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 4 VFIELD FIELD POWER 5-32V
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 5 VIN LOGIC POWER 8-32V (Notes 1,2)
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 6 NC
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 7 NC
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: 8 GROUND VIN, VFIELD, COMMON (Top pin)
07:15 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i ASSume so though
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: they usually design their boards to require field power
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: for proper operation
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: i forget all the models
07:19 PM CaptHindsight: it should be clear in the manuals
07:38 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: it isnt exactly clear, but i'm also not the smartest peanut in the punch bowl
07:38 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: i'll play with it tomorrow
07:49 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: the only other thing i wasnt clear on is how i'm supposed to map the inputs and outputs for each board. it wouldnt load linuxcnc without errors until i added the sserial port number in place of the #  since pnfconfig didnt have really any of my boards in it so i had to wing it.  <= hm2_7i92.0.7i70.0.#.input-02
07:51 PM LUNADA_DESKTOP: so now i have it like  <=7i92.0.7i83.0.2., 7i92.0.7i71.0.0., and 7i92.0.7i70.0.1. and linuxcnc loaded
07:53 PM solarwind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yszCjLS1aqk
07:53 PM solarwind: perfection
07:56 PM solarwind: Going to braze some extra material onto my D1-4 backplate to give it more thickness