#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 17 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:52 AM Deejay: moin
04:10 AM Tom_L: morning
04:51 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:17 AM JT-Cave: weird I closed an account at the bank and opened another one with better interest rate but the old account still shows up with the money in it... I would have thought it would have been purged last night
07:10 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
07:10 AM JT-Cave: 38°F and the gas valve will get replaced this morning... hope it works
07:11 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-) IRC finally let me in!
07:26 AM travis_farmer: 48F with a high in the low 50s :-/
07:46 AM Tom_L: 41
07:55 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, did you see andy posted an iso?
08:00 AM JT-Cave: I saw that but not feeling brave atm
08:01 AM Tom_L: not sure i have something to test it on atm
08:08 AM Tom_L: i'll at least make a disc
08:09 AM JT-Cave: I wanna putz with gentoo when i get a chance
08:10 AM Tom_L: took the kid in this AM for his 1st service
08:11 AM Tom_L: he puts ~2x the miles on his than his brother
08:42 AM JT-Cave: tech turned a screw and the furnace worked
08:42 AM travis_farmer: lol
09:42 AM Deejay: re
11:22 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, go ahead and build for 2.0.4 and after that I'll bump the version
11:34 AM Unterhausen: I should try andy's iso. The complaints about the 2.8 iso are starting to annoy.
12:10 PM andypugh: pcw--home: No, I didn’t have anything that took int data, as far as I recall. So it hasn’t been well tested.
12:23 PM pcw--home: I tested on another system and it works so I'm not sure whats going on.
12:27 PM Unterhausen: ebay doesn't let you send a message to the seller
12:38 PM Unterhausen: I feel like they are just trying to get my email address, they didn't give ebay a real tracking number
12:52 PM travis_farmer: just got my furnace re-installed into my shop for winter :-)
12:54 PM Unterhausen: nice, is it electric?
12:54 PM Unterhausen: when an ebay seller gives ebay one tracking number and says to email for the real tracking number, it's a scam right?
12:55 PM Unterhausen: I previously successfully ordered from this vendor, but that probably doesn't mean anything
01:08 PM Unterhausen: not letting you send a message through ebay is just making it easy for scammers
01:08 PM roycroft: i have not experienced that
01:08 PM roycroft: i can always attempt to contact sellers
01:09 PM roycroft: they often do not respond, but i always have the option
01:10 PM Unterhausen: the only way I see is drop down menus
01:11 PM Unterhausen: and "give me the real tracking number, if any" is not one of those
01:12 PM Unterhausen: anyway, I requested to return the item and reported the listing as fraudulent
01:13 PM Unterhausen: I would leave negative feedback, but ebay doesn't want me to do that
01:13 PM Unterhausen: doesn't go through
01:13 PM roycroft: i've been on ebay since 2001, and i've left exactly 1 negative feedback
01:14 PM Unterhausen: I don't usually. I have only been scammed once before, and ebay caught it before I did anything
01:15 PM Unterhausen: if they had the item I ordered, they could have shipped it with the trinket that they did ship. So I expect further difficulties
01:15 PM roycroft: the one time was when i actually made money from a scam
01:15 PM Unterhausen: It's only $25, but still pretty annoying
01:15 PM roycroft: i paid several hundred dollars for what was supposed to be a legitimate autocad license
01:15 PM roycroft: i received a cd-r with a copy of autocad and a crack program
01:16 PM roycroft: i reported it to autodesk, paypal, and ebay
01:16 PM Unterhausen: nice
01:16 PM Unterhausen: should I go to paypal too?
01:16 PM roycroft: the seller immediately refunded my money and told me i should have known what i would be getting
01:16 PM roycroft: then paypal refunded my money as well
01:16 PM roycroft: yes, you should go to paypal
01:17 PM Unterhausen: I have Chinese friends, so I get my cracked programs the legit way
01:17 PM roycroft: i left the second refund in my paypal account for a month, in case someone figured out that i had been refunded twice
01:17 PM Unterhausen: I probably still have a cdr with dozens of cracked programs, probably cost me a lot of money if it was discovered
01:17 PM roycroft: but my impression is that scammers are generally not too smart
01:18 PM roycroft: and nobody every noticed
01:18 PM Unterhausen: nice
01:18 PM Unterhausen: they probably sold so many it was noise level
01:18 PM roycroft: i did leave negative feedback for that as an alert to others
01:19 PM roycroft: it probably did not matter - those scammers usually get shut down quickly, and then just open another account under a different fake name
01:19 PM roycroft: then they fake sell a bunch of stuff to themselves, using other fake names, and leave fake positive feedback for themselves, to get their numbers up
01:20 PM roycroft: i'm sure there is some "how to scam people on ebay" document available on the dark net for a relatively small fee
01:24 PM Unterhausen: all you have to do is look at the ebay forums about how people have been scammed
01:25 PM Unterhausen: I should be able to leave negative feedback, maybe it's a chrome add-in that's stopping it
01:25 PM Unterhausen: the listing is still live, so they are in danger of more people being scammed
01:29 PM Unterhausen: one of the grad students sold millions of $ of stuff on ebay. He would go through accounts a couple of times per year
01:30 PM Unterhausen: then he stole $1 million USD from a bank and went back to china as soon as he had the funds
01:35 PM roycroft: i wouldn't even begin to know how to steal $1 million from a bank
01:35 PM roycroft: it's a good thing that's not going to be part of my business plan
01:55 PM Unterhausen: he had a couple of million in the bank, so they figured that loaning him that money would be okay
01:55 PM Unterhausen: they were wrong
01:56 PM Unterhausen: a friend was his roommate and saw his bank statement lying around. Lots of zeros
01:57 PM Unterhausen: it was a time in China when an extra million might not do that much for a business, and possibly cause a lot of trouble
02:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, PR #32 up
03:01 PM JT-Shop: ko
04:28 PM JT-Shop: Ok, great machine to have in fab shop. gonna be put to very good use my friend thank you. When is good time to pick up and where? Plus is there forklift on site or something to help load on a low deck trailer?
04:28 PM JT-Shop: sounds a bit odd...
04:37 PM roycroft: are they wanting to pay you for this machine with some home depot gift cards?
04:38 PM JT-Shop: not yet
04:38 PM roycroft: wait :)
04:39 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
04:39 PM Unterhausen: At least they didn't call you "dearest"
04:39 PM JT-Shop: I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to make the dodgy move
04:39 PM Unterhausen: I do feel like they are going to want to run the change back scam on you though
04:40 PM Unterhausen: we have our own resident Nigerian scammers living here in town
04:40 PM JT-Shop: I only do local pickup and only take cash and have my magic pen...
04:41 PM * JT-Shop goes to start the lobster bisque
04:42 PM roycroft: at least they're not asking you to meet them at the wal*mart parking lot for the exchange
04:44 PM JT-Cave: for small things I meet them at JP's across the highway
04:44 PM Unterhausen: I just checked for the thing I bought from china, and U.S. sellers want about 10x the price
04:46 PM roycroft: i usually meet people outside my house when i sell stuff
04:46 PM roycroft: i've had folks refuse to buy things from me because i insist on meeting them outside, and won't let them "check out" my shop
04:46 PM roycroft: i think those are the folks i should not want to sell to
04:48 PM roycroft: they mostly feign offense that i don't trust them to check out the shop, but i tell them i have an immunocompromised person in the house and can't risk it
04:48 PM roycroft: which is not the case, but it's a plausible story
04:49 PM roycroft: often i get a response that there is no such thing, and it devolves into maga ranting, at which point i know i've made the right decision not to deal with them
04:51 PM roycroft: i used to tell them that my insurance won't let anyone in, but they always wanted me to open the door so they could look from outside when i said that
04:51 PM Unterhausen: just looking to see how fast it would be to roll your toolbox outside
04:52 PM Unterhausen: that happened to one of my mother's neighbors
04:53 PM roycroft: yes
04:53 PM Unterhausen: I stopped selling stuff. I came to realize that I mostly just wanted to get rid of things
04:53 PM roycroft: the rule of thumb is that buyers who want to look at the stuff you have that's not for sale are not interested in what you're selling
04:54 PM Unterhausen: with my shop, it would be an insurance hazard to let them look through the door
04:59 PM Unterhausen: other people post pictures of their shop saying they are a mess, but in actual fact their shops look better than mine do when they are clean
05:01 PM roycroft: i'm looking at a new house that has multiple shops, with about 5x the floor space of my current shop
05:01 PM roycroft: it's a weird house, and it's up in the foothills
05:01 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if it's the right place for me, but i could certainly use the extra space
05:02 PM roycroft: there's one building that would be a nice warehouse/storage building, which would help me keep the working shops a lot cleaner
05:05 PM Unterhausen: If I had a big shop building, it would be a mess from unfinished projects
05:05 PM Unterhausen: I have seen that a lot in other people's big shops
05:07 PM Unterhausen: State College is considering allowing people to build housing in their backyard. They are trying to figure out how to keep people from renting to students
05:07 PM Unterhausen: they are very anti-student for a community that wouldn't exist without them
05:07 PM Unterhausen: But I wonder if something like that would make it easier to build a shop
05:08 PM Unterhausen: the recent planning commission meeting, many people said they wanted housing for people, not students
05:20 PM roycroft: we started allowing tiny houses in people's yards to use as b&bs a couple years ago
05:20 PM roycroft: i'm really reluctant to move to the area where this house is
05:20 PM roycroft: but things are getting so bad here i don't want to stay where i am much longer
05:21 PM roycroft: it's just a horrible time to buy property
05:21 PM roycroft: there's very little inventory, prices are sky high, and interest rates are high
05:21 PM JT-Cave: there must be a thousand bisque recipes on the net lol
05:21 PM * roycroft hasn't made lobster bisque in a long time, and doesn't think he has a good recipe any more
05:25 PM Unterhausen: I don't want to hear about real food right now. I'm hungry and we are having crummy frozen pizza and a salad
05:26 PM CloudEvil: I just microwaved a bag of beansprots and sprayed walnut oil on them, and had with shredded chicken and soy
05:28 PM Roguish: Hey Roycroft, come on down this way to SF. it's ever more liberal and crazy than Oregon.
05:28 PM roycroft: we're going to a new ethiopian restaurant tonight
05:28 PM Roguish: and way more expensive.
05:28 PM roycroft: rouguish: i'm starting a business
05:28 PM roycroft: california is just about the last place i'd want to go to do that
05:28 PM Roguish: that sounds like fun
05:28 PM Roguish: getting out of IT ???
05:28 PM roycroft: but if i did move to cali, i'd be more prone to moving to arcata than the bay area
05:29 PM roycroft: unless i win the lottery (multiple times)
05:29 PM roycroft: then i'd go somewhere like ojai
05:29 PM roycroft: yeah, i have a couple more years or so of the it stuff, then i plan on retiring and doing woodworking as my retirement business
05:29 PM Roguish: just go over the border to Un-California
05:30 PM roycroft: a $500k house here is a $2 million house in cali, if i stay away from the popular areas
05:30 PM roycroft: but cali isn't even that expensive
05:31 PM roycroft: i just heard on the cbc that the price of a 1 bedroom apartment in the vancouver area is over $3k/month now
05:31 PM roycroft: and even though that's canadian dollars, it's still a lot
05:31 PM Roguish: same down here.
05:32 PM Roguish: prices are insane
05:32 PM roycroft: the rich people keep getting richer, and driving property values up
05:33 PM roycroft: and they want workers to do stuff for them, but they don't want to pay them well
05:33 PM roycroft: and they complain about all the homeless people
05:33 PM roycroft: i guess it's all the homeless people's fault
05:33 PM roycroft: because, if they would like just become rich they would be able to afford homes
05:34 PM Roguish: stay away from the news this evening. it's getting even uglier........very sad for all civilians.
05:34 PM Roguish: ALL civilians.
05:36 PM roycroft: it is
05:36 PM roycroft: between the dysfunctional house of representatives and the war in israel, it's all very sad
05:37 PM Unterhausen: now you made me go check the news
05:41 PM roycroft: the house is still broken
05:41 PM roycroft: hamas and israel are still killing each other
05:41 PM roycroft: there, now you don't need to check
05:46 PM CaptHindsight: saw pics from an Israeli solders phone earlier today of the carnage there
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: lots of families and connections here in nearby Skokie
05:50 PM * roycroft remembers the nazi march in skokie in the late '70s
05:50 PM CaptHindsight: fun times
05:50 PM roycroft: two years of litigation
05:50 PM roycroft: finally it was permitted, along with the swastikas
05:51 PM roycroft: then 20 nazis showed up, strolled around for a few minutes, and went home
05:52 PM CaptHindsight: just Nazi's being Nazi's
05:52 PM roycroft: skokie at the time had one of the highest percentages of holocaust survivors anywhere
05:52 PM roycroft: iirc about 15% of the town were survivors
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: I drove past the Holocaust Museum earlier, their cooling tower was smoking and causing traffic on the expy to slow down
06:01 PM Unterhausen: I'm going to go clean my bike framebuilding shop so I can make a youtube video
06:01 PM Unterhausen: misleading people about how to build a bicycle fork
06:03 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like to see a bicycle spoon
06:04 PM Unterhausen: there is a big controversy because some people call a bicycle fork "forks"
06:04 PM Unterhausen: I wonder if the same people have a problem with using the word "pants"
06:05 PM roycroft: a bicycle spork is the best
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: English is odd that way
06:05 PM Unterhausen: In response, I trademarked the word "forx"
06:05 PM Unterhausen: the french also wear plural pants
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: bike petals or pedals
06:05 PM Unterhausen: bike breaks or brakes
06:05 PM XXCoder: if person wears 2 pants, would it be pantss?
06:06 PM Unterhausen: des pantalons
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: pantses
06:06 PM roycroft: if a person has one leg amputated, do they wear trousers or a trouser?
06:06 PM Unterhausen: I would cut them some slack on nomenclature, as long as they wear something that covers their nakedness
06:07 PM Unterhausen: the one that drives some people into a rage is if you call disc brakes, disk brakes
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/may/11/straight-email-volume-pair-pants/
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: "And pants (pantaloons) were originally two like things. You put them on one leg at a time because they actually came in two pieces. You put on one leg, tied it around your waist, then put on the other."
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: no half pants
06:09 PM Unterhausen: that article has a slight whiff of bull pucky about it
06:09 PM Unterhausen: spell checker doesn't like bull pucky
06:09 PM roycroft: that was back when men also wore a codpiece for their third leg
06:10 PM Unterhausen: according to monty python, men just wore a sack
06:11 PM Unterhausen: I somehow didn't get around to cleaning yet
06:29 PM _unreal_: Unterhausen, well thats a "LOAD" of bull pucky
08:47 PM Tom_L: andypugh, is that iso supposed to be bootable?
08:51 PM CaptHindsight: did you try installing it?
08:51 PM Tom_L: tried but it's not bootable
08:51 PM Tom_L: and linux thinks the dvd is blank
08:51 PM Tom_L: but clearly it isn't
08:58 PM CaptHindsight: he said it was a quick first try and he was off for the night
08:59 PM CaptHindsight: probably missing something to make it bootable
08:59 PM Tom_L: right, i was just testing it for him
09:00 PM Tom_L: odd linux shows a blank disk though
09:09 PM Tom_L: might try burning one more
09:35 PM roycroft: yeah, so much for getting a 2-1/2" threading tool to make wooden threads for this project
09:35 PM roycroft: i can't find one in american customary units, and the only 62mm metric one i've found is 1450 euros
09:35 PM * roycroft thinks that's a bit too much
09:37 PM Tom_L: i didn't have a live tool or i would have cut this from wood: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/thread1.jpg
09:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/thread.jpg
09:38 PM Tom_L: original
09:38 PM Tom_L: approx the same size as your project
09:39 PM Tom_L: 3 tpi
09:39 PM roycroft: nice
09:39 PM roycroft: i could probably cut the thread on my metal lathe
09:40 PM Tom_L: you'd better check your gearing... most lathes don't have gears that go that large
09:40 PM Tom_L: most stop around 4-6 tpi
09:41 PM roycroft: yeah, i'm not sure what mine does
09:41 PM roycroft: but 4tpi is pretty coarse
09:41 PM Tom_L: he just happened to have the gears and said he'd never used them :)
09:41 PM roycroft: for that big of a wooden thread though, perhaps not
09:41 PM Tom_L: you'll rip the wood
09:41 PM Tom_L: unless you have live tooling
09:43 PM roycroft: 4tpi
09:44 PM Tom_L: mine were 3
09:44 PM roycroft: i might be able to do it without live tooling
09:45 PM roycroft: if i use hard maple, soak it in oil for a couple days before cutting the threads, and keep the single point tool razor sharp
09:45 PM Tom_L: once you get so deep is when it rips
09:46 PM Tom_L: and you gotta be quick on the trigger on stopping the lathe
09:46 PM roycroft: i could cut it halfway deep, then soak it in oil for a couple days again
09:46 PM Tom_L: i got a piece of hard maple and tried it but i didn't soak it
09:47 PM roycroft: but beall make threading jigs that use a router to cut the threads
09:47 PM roycroft: that might be the ticket
09:47 PM Tom_L: if i had to have one from wood i think i would do that
09:47 PM roycroft: i think they don't go big enough though
09:53 PM roycroft: https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/power-tool-accessories/router-accessories/115534-beall-1-1-2-wood-threader-kit
09:53 PM roycroft: that's the biggest they make - 1-1/2"
09:54 PM roycroft: but i could make my own jig
09:55 PM Tom_L: you need ID or OD?
09:55 PM roycroft: both
09:55 PM Tom_L: Online - Currently out of stock
09:56 PM roycroft: although id could be done with a brass insert
09:56 PM roycroft: and yeah, i know those are out of stock
09:56 PM Tom_L: brass likes to grab
09:56 PM roycroft: i don't need this immediately - next spring would be fine
09:56 PM Tom_L: when cutting it
09:56 PM roycroft: it's time to think about how to do it, though
09:56 PM roycroft: yes, i've turned brass before
09:57 PM Tom_L: ok gonna see if i can really screw up my test pc..
09:58 PM roycroft: and i exaggerated
09:58 PM roycroft: the 62mm tool is only 1405 euros, not 1450
09:59 PM roycroft: https://www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html
09:59 PM roycroft: it's 2tpi
10:00 PM Tom_L: ok andypugh the live cd part works.. booting debian 12
10:01 PM Tom_L: first dvd burn must have been a bust
10:05 PM Tom_L: got an axis sim loaded using the live cd
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: user error :p
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: how clear is: https://openlunchbox.com/mw19/index.php/HOWTO:_Gentoo_for_LinuxCNC
10:10 PM Tom_L: jt will likely tell you in the AM :)
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: no opinion of your own?
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: no 2 cents?
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: haven't been around anyway
10:13 PM Tom_L: trying to finish this one first
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: installs from Debian 12 now as well
10:14 PM Tom_L: nice
10:14 PM Tom_L: i don't know a thing about gentoo
10:15 PM Tom_L: from what i can see it looks pretty complete and clear
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: most people will say that gentoo is for squeaking out that slight bit of performance by building for your particular cpu
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: but what it really is for is building your Linux system without any mysteryware or magic
10:18 PM Tom_L: how are you associated with memleak?
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: and with bugfixed versions of source
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: he is down the hall from me
10:19 PM Tom_L: i figured something like that
10:33 PM Tom_L: andypugh, looks like you have a winner... live cd works and i installed debian 12 successfully with 6.1.0-13-rt-amd64 PREEMPT-RT
10:34 PM Tom_L: actually the kernel is 6.1.55-1
10:34 PM Tom_L: not wild about xfce but meh..
10:37 PM XXCoder: xfce have been good to me for quite a while now
10:37 PM roycroft: i could cut the threads by hand
10:37 PM roycroft: that would take a long time, but i could do it
10:39 PM Tom_L: this bios is finiky
10:39 PM Tom_L: when i put things back like they were, i have to add the 3rd ssd after i boot from the others or it doesn't see the ssd
10:42 PM * Tom_L marks the test ssd for future use
10:51 PM Tom_L: roycroft, what are the threads for?
11:02 PM roycroft: some wooden vises that i want to make
11:03 PM roycroft: i may end up using steel acme threaded rods, but i'd like wooden threads
11:52 PM solarwind: Now am I an idiot or is this fly cutter designed in a really stupid way? https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Kcn2RzrNL._SX522_.jpg
11:52 PM solarwind: the set screws are pressing on the centerline
11:53 PM solarwind: so if you load an HSS square tool into there that's undersized, it'll be pushed off-center
11:53 PM solarwind: why didn't they put the set screws on the other side such that when you tighten them, it pushes the HSS tool bit against the flat center line?
11:53 PM solarwind: it's an easy enough modification to make, but am I wrong in my logic?