#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 19 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:10 AM Deejay: moin
03:28 AM IAmTheRealBeef is now known as Beef
03:59 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
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04:09 AM Beef: Good morning JT
04:20 AM Tom_L: morning
04:21 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-)
04:36 AM Beef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li40gHcwU-8 not sure if you guys saw this, but was interesting. Guy looks like half my age but damn he's got motivation
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:25 AM Beef: Anyone has used Robot Framework/RPA Framework by the way?
05:25 AM Beef: or UIPath since it's in the same vein
06:45 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
06:57 AM Tom_L: 73°F
07:35 AM JT-Cave: LOL Good Morning John,
07:35 AM JT-Cave: When you purchased your Corvette Z06, you elected to receive Dealer Maintenance Notifications from your preferred dealership, Autry Morlan of Sikeston. OnStar has notified us that your 2023 Corvette Z06 is in need of an oil change.
07:51 AM Scopeuk: I assume "elected to receive" roughly translates as "failed to find the buried option to disable"
07:52 AM Tom_L: got the miles in before the trip ehh
08:00 AM JT-Cave: the funny part is they think I have a Z06 which starts out at $125k for the 3LZ
08:01 AM JT-Cave: I'm going to ask them where my Z06 is Thursday
08:02 AM JT-Cave: yup 7,250 on the clock today
08:02 AM Beef: In some way that's cool
08:06 AM JT-Cave: :)
08:06 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day without a ride in the woods as sinus is all stuffed up
09:05 AM travis_farmer: Error i have not seen before. Just returned from a manual tool change: https://www.tjfhome.net/community/index.php?media/screenshot-from-2023-09-19-09-52-19-png.19/
09:08 AM travis_farmer: this is repeatable
09:13 AM Beef: I haven't seen that one before. Respect for Axis btw - it's my favorite GUI after probe basic since it's just so clean
09:13 AM Beef: RTAPI is used for simulation only, right?
09:13 AM travis_farmer: this was live
09:14 AM Beef: hm, I may misunderstand RTAPI then
09:15 AM Beef: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/docs/help/rtfaults.adoc will likely help in diagnosing
09:16 AM Beef: I got that link from: https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/emc-developers/thread/9f2ef792-bd3b-7f31-f4ee-6d2c011ab346%40gcdataconcepts.com/ which was one of the few results talking about a signal 11
09:17 AM travis_farmer: LinuxCNC locks up solid, i can't do anything with hal
09:19 AM travis_farmer: i can exit out and restart LinuxCNC, but thats it
09:41 AM travis_farmer: started forum post: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/50128-rtapi-app-caught-signal-11-dumping-core-returning-from-a-manual-tool-change
10:46 AM JT-Cave: I don't get an error with the axis sim
11:01 AM travis_farmer: i may have figured it out... major idiot error in: https://github.com/travis-farmer/linuxcnc/blob/master/rpmlimiter.comp i will test after lunch...
11:10 AM travis_farmer: see my updated forum post for explanation :-)
11:14 AM Unterhausen: I think you are overstating how much of an idiot you are. And also I think you should report a bug
11:14 AM Unterhausen: it should do something sane when it sees that error
11:18 AM travis_farmer: i am terrible at reporting bugs... but i will test my theory and see if i am right. then report my findings
11:31 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight https://www.vertiq.co/fortiq
11:32 AM solarwind: I'm afraid to ask them the price. I usually avoid anything that has a "contact" sales and no pricing information.
11:34 AM XXCoder: priceless is too priceless for me
11:38 AM solarwind: pcw---home you might have missed my message, what's the stock situation on your mesa cards?
11:38 AM solarwind: I have people bugging me to upgrade their old CNC machines now that the CRT monitors and other things on their ancient controllers is blown
11:39 AM CaptHindsight: Jt also stocks the popular cards https://mesaus.com/
11:40 AM jpa-: with HAL components running in kernel space, they can crash pretty hard
11:40 AM solarwind: Half of them are only willing to stomach a $500 + $installation electronics upgrade, others don't mind a $4,000 ethercat servo system replacement
11:40 AM solarwind: jpa- yeah I've been talking to QNX to get licensing prices
11:40 AM solarwind: I can port linuxCNC to QNX neutrino pretty easily
11:41 AM roycroft: solarwind: jt is a stocking mesa reseller and can provide you with product availability if pcw is not aroun
11:41 AM CaptHindsight: I wouldn't touch a machine controller swap to LCNC for <$10k
11:41 AM solarwind: Also looking into the SEL4 microkernel which I've been following for a long time. It's definitely not as easy to get started as QNX but it's at least open source
11:42 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight oh for sure, for the bigger guys
11:42 AM solarwind: But for friends, they get a heavy discount
11:42 AM CaptHindsight: I occasionally see posts about how come there are no LCNC consultants
11:43 AM CaptHindsight: but what they really want is a hobbyist support consultant for maybe $50/hour and only for a few hours
11:43 AM solarwind: It truly boggles the mind. Why do people go out of their way to use shit like Mach and other CNC controllers that are completely opaque and proprietary and (yuck) windows based
11:43 AM CaptHindsight: QNX doesn't have many drivers
11:43 AM CaptHindsight: it's their weak spot
11:44 AM roycroft: and what they want is to pay that $50/hour only for time actualy spent working on the equipment, not for all the time doing research and engineering the solution
11:44 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight I have a 4 floppy disk QNX installation from 20 years ago that works out of the box
11:44 AM CaptHindsight: on supported hardware
11:44 AM solarwind: As far as drivers go, network works
11:44 AM solarwind: VESA displays work
11:45 AM solarwind: roycroft to be fair, if it's a hobby, nothing wrong with that since they're not profiting off of it
11:45 AM solarwind: we spend time helping people for free on IRC/forums
11:45 AM roycroft: if that's what they want to do
11:46 AM roycroft: but i'm not talking about the altruistic nature of the consultant
11:47 AM roycroft: i'm talking about the expectations of the machine owner looking for help
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: Mach and similar are easier to install and configure, many of these users never have touched Linux, Linus is scary
11:47 AM roycroft: it's fine and good to offer free help
11:47 AM CaptHindsight: and Linux
11:47 AM roycroft: to expect it, not so much
11:48 AM * roycroft just got a nice new lens for his camera, and realized that he hasn't owned a prime lens for a camera in a very long time
11:48 AM roycroft: back in the olden days (not the before times, but the really olden days), zoom lenses were very expensive and very slow, and quite rare
11:48 AM solarwind: roycroft what lens and camera?
11:49 AM roycroft: i have an old d50, which i'm fine with
11:49 AM roycroft: i'm going to be doing some product photography, and so i picked up a nikkor 40mm micro lens to do extreme closeups
11:49 AM Scopeuk: zoom lenses are still more expensive, not so much rare
11:49 AM roycroft: back when i was using my nikon f, i owned a half dozen prime lenses, and one zoom lens
11:49 AM solarwind: I like primes too. I have most of the Sony G Master primes and an A7R3
11:50 AM solarwind: damn things are $3,000 each
11:50 AM roycroft: now every kit lens that comes with a camera is a zoom lens
11:50 AM roycroft: prime lenses are generally clearer than zoom lenses, and always much faster
11:50 AM solarwind: But the G Master primes, especially the new 50mm ƒ/1.2 is outstanding
11:51 AM roycroft: i don't do professional photography, and the dx format is fine for me, as is the older 6 megapixel ccd
11:51 AM solarwind: yeah the G and G master primes have better contrast than the G Master zooms
11:51 AM roycroft: if i were to buy a new high-end camera i'd probably get one of the nikon z series at this point
11:52 AM roycroft: but for what i do that would be pure indulgence
11:52 AM roycroft: and i can't afford indulgences like that right now
11:52 AM travis_farmer: i have just a Cannon Eos Rebel T2i
11:53 AM roycroft: the d50 is kind of pro-sumerish
11:53 AM roycroft: it's really a hobbyist camera, but it does have the built-in focus motor
11:53 AM roycroft: it's the only nikon hobbyist camera body that has that - all the others depend on lenses with the motor built-in
11:54 AM roycroft: so i can use all the old auto-focus lenses from before the digital days with my d50
11:54 AM roycroft: canon make a fine camera
11:54 AM roycroft: i would consider a canon without hesitation, except for one thing - the bayonet mount twists the wrong way
11:55 AM roycroft: 50+ years of muscle memory is hard to relearn
11:55 AM travis_farmer: perhaps
11:56 AM roycroft: one could argue that it's the nikon bayonet mount that twists the wrong way, since it's definitely in the minority (of brands, not installed bases)
11:56 AM roycroft: but from my perspective, having been weaned on a nikon f in my early teens, it's all the other brands that twist the wrong way
11:57 AM roycroft: i've used canons, and konicas, and pentaxes, and that really was an issue for me
11:58 AM roycroft: i'm not sure why, because all the other controls are different, and have to be learned for each camera, but it was the lens mount that always frustrated me
11:59 AM travis_farmer: BRB, gotta test something...
01:09 PM travis_farmer: well the test proved right on more than two things. i was right on the comp error solution. and i was right that i am a complete idiot, as i drove my 3d probe down into a piece of wood, destroying the probe. i couldn't hit e-stop fast enough. who knows why it didn't stop on a probe move, when the probe triggered ON TOP of the wood...
01:16 PM roycroft: so you did a stress test on your probe and found its failure point
01:16 PM travis_farmer: unfortunatly...
01:16 PM * roycroft hopes it was not an expensive probe
01:17 PM travis_farmer: only $170
01:17 PM roycroft: that's an expensive lesson
01:17 PM roycroft: i'm sorry it happened
01:17 PM travis_farmer: yes, the lesson is, don't be me
01:17 PM XXCoder: was it probe that broke, or just the probing point thing?
01:18 PM travis_farmer: probe point, but probe body is bent
01:18 PM XXCoder: sucks
01:19 PM travis_farmer: maybe this replacement... https://www.ebay.com/itm/18594339562
01:19 PM XXCoder: not found
01:19 PM travis_farmer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/185943395627
01:20 PM pcw---home: solarwind: fine for newer cards like 7I96S, 7I95T etc
01:40 PM travis_farmer: just ordered a probe... that cut deep into my shop funds
01:41 PM * JT-Shop has a probe but almost never finds a reason to use it
01:42 PM travis_farmer: then i must be setting up my machine wrong...
01:47 PM travis_farmer: oh crap, i accidently ordered two.... today is just not my day... FI, i will just have an extra i guess...
01:51 PM Tom_L: or call and cancel one
01:52 PM travis_farmer: i stopped caring... too much for one day
02:02 PM JT-Shop: I think I used a probe once to find the approximate center of an out of round hole
02:03 PM roycroft: the tax refund is strong in that one
02:13 PM travis_farmer: there, canceled and re-ordered as a single...
02:18 PM roycroft: don't break it
02:19 PM travis_farmer: i didn't want to break the last one
02:52 PM travis_farmer: hmmm, my probing macro had a "G0 Z0" following the probe, rather than a "G53 G0 Z0"... perhaps was the issue...
02:54 PM travis_farmer: though i am thinking of scrapping that probe macro and doing it manual anyway... may be safer
02:55 PM JT-Shop: cradek's probe routines are bullet proof and well thought out
02:55 PM travis_farmer: these were, until i tried them...
02:59 PM JT-Shop: apparently your routines were not tested enough with air
03:01 PM travis_farmer: hard to test a probe with air, unless i am missing something
03:01 PM JT-Shop: not really
03:02 PM JT-Shop: well not really with air but to easy to move objects
03:03 PM roycroft: you should probe popcorn
03:03 PM roycroft: for testing purposes
03:03 PM travis_farmer: hmmm, or probe foam board
03:03 PM roycroft: but not caramel corn
03:04 PM roycroft: rice krisipies are right out
03:04 PM roycroft: but chocolate mousse is fine
03:04 PM JT-Shop: what I do is use a block on top of the vise for XY probe tests and just hold it with my hand... for Z I hang a stick over the side of the vise and hold it with my hand and for both go extremely slow until proven
03:05 PM JT-Shop: in any case you can let go of the block/stick and hit the estop if all does not go well
03:05 PM travis_farmer: oh ok, i see now...
03:05 PM JT-Shop: :)
03:05 PM travis_farmer: :-)
03:06 PM XXCoder: wouldnt foam work for probing test?
03:07 PM XXCoder: fairly dense and would trigger after some dent
03:10 PM travis_farmer: only issue with whatever, is i have only 6" total run, less with probe in, and less with spoilboard. so i have to be quick on the e-stop... but i can change my rapids to all slow feeds until the routine works.
03:10 PM roycroft: if the foam is rigidly held, it would eventualy damage the probe if the probe routine is not registering the contact
03:11 PM XXCoder: true, dunno what would be best for probing test. directly pressing it using hands after setting motion to be very slow?
03:11 PM roycroft: setting the movement to turtle mode is a good start
03:11 PM JT-Shop: using your finger does not work well
03:13 PM XXCoder: I do want to have a probe for some fun engraving, but it will be cheap setup
03:13 PM XXCoder: and extremely shallow
03:15 PM roycroft: for engraving, you can just touch off with the graver
03:17 PM XXCoder: not if you wanna engrave curved surface
04:30 PM JT-Shop: too bad you can't configure your cell phone to go strait to voice mail if the caller is not in your contacts
04:39 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
04:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you sure you can't?
04:48 PM Tom_L: pretty sure it will reject if not there if you set that up
04:48 PM JT-Shop: not sure about anything lol
04:48 PM JT-Shop: I want legit callers the chance to leave a voice mail
04:49 PM Tom_L: i have 'block calls from unknown numbers' on
04:51 PM Tom_L: 3 dots upper right in the call screen... settings
04:52 PM JT-Shop: if you do that then they can't leave a voice mail?
04:52 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure
04:52 PM JT-Shop: pm me your number and I'll try
04:52 PM Tom_L: https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/how-to-block-unknown-numbers-android
04:53 PM Tom_L: you just wanna block me!
04:53 PM JT-Shop: can't look at that they don't like my adblock lol
04:53 PM Tom_L: ahh
04:55 PM Tom_L: i pasted what i found pm
04:57 PM roycroft: in a way, i appreciate some of the phone spammers
04:57 PM roycroft: psychologists almost universally agree that cussing can be beneficial to one's mental health, and i don't have much opportunity nor need to cuss in my daily life
04:58 PM roycroft: the phone spammers provide me an outlet to enhance my mental health
04:59 PM XXCoder: easy solution for me
05:00 PM XXCoder: I just dont answer cellphone. ever
05:00 PM roycroft: don't answer it if you don't hear it
05:00 PM Tom_L: why have one then
05:00 PM XXCoder: tons uses besides voice call tom.
05:00 PM roycroft: for drunk ordering off amazon in the middle of the night
05:00 PM XXCoder: texting had revolutized deaf culture in naughts
05:01 PM XXCoder: its been vp for over a decade now
05:02 PM roycroft: bijou "i'm standing by my man" phillips just filed for divorce from danny masterson
05:34 PM * JT-Shop calls it a stuffed up day
05:34 PM skunkworks: Stuffed up?
05:34 PM skunkworks: I might have to use that...
05:59 PM skunkworks: I might have to use that...
09:48 PM Tom_L: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/new-details-f35-mishap-questions-remain-jet-lost/story?id=103313514
09:48 PM Tom_L: woops
09:49 PM XXCoder: yeah it was found but still uncertain on details
09:51 PM Tom_L: expensive boo boo