#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 18 2023

01:20 AM randy: morning
01:36 AM Deejay: moin
02:52 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-)
04:14 AM Tom_L: morning
04:55 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:28 AM travis_farmer: 63F/70F and raining
06:19 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
07:47 AM JT-Cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWyuYmZsDfE
09:47 AM bjorkint0sh: JT-Cave, is pyQT the UI?
09:48 AM JT-Shop: yes PyQt5 and Python3
09:53 AM bjorkint0sh: ah I see. I'm currently using tkinter/ttk for a project.
09:53 AM bjorkint0sh: they're rather similar if you use classes.
09:53 AM bjorkint0sh: perhaps after this I shall dip a toe into the pyqt world
10:00 AM JT-Cave: pyqt is a lot better than tkinter IMHO
10:01 AM JT-Cave: feel free to look at my code https://github.com/jethornton/pyqt5
10:01 AM JT-Cave: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact
10:02 AM bjorkint0sh: Oh I remember why I didn't use pyqt. the licensing bits I think. it's been a few months.
10:04 AM bjorkint0sh: very nice, JT-Cave.
10:33 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/simple-deb
10:34 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/simple-pyqt5-deb
10:34 AM JT-Shop: are you talking about some QT license?
10:36 AM Tom_L: nice video
10:36 AM JT-Shop: thanks
10:36 AM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, it's dual licensed so it ultimately didn't matter.
10:37 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, haven't looked yet.. anything to build?
10:37 AM bjorkint0sh: I was just not familiar enough with the qt framework at the time.
10:38 AM JT-Shop: hopefully my tutorial will help you out
10:38 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yes, I've fixed the error you found and one more... I'll double check here in a bit while eating lunch
10:39 AM Tom_L: k, i'll check after bit
10:41 AM JT-Shop: managed to ride 6 miles on the mountain bike this morning
10:42 AM Tom_L: been a while ehh?
10:42 AM JT-Shop: way too long
10:42 AM JT-Shop: the other day I rode to the end of my road and back and wow I was winded lol
10:43 AM JT-Shop: a few more local rides and when I could make it up the hill ok I knew I was ready to ride the trail again
10:44 AM JT-Shop: I think I need to start the videos with installing mesact and I need to figure out how to add subtitles easily
10:45 AM Tom_L: haven't done much editing videos
10:45 AM JT-Shop: that one this morning was just simple screen recorder no editing at all
10:46 AM Tom_L: do short segments and paste them together
10:46 AM Tom_L: maybe one per tab
10:47 AM Tom_L: ok, trip to the bank and i'm done for the day
10:47 AM JT-Shop: ok
10:48 AM Tom_L: are you gonna push anything else today?
10:48 AM Tom_L: i got a few min before i can go so i could build
10:48 AM JT-Shop: I don't have any issues that I know of
10:48 AM JT-Shop: testing 7i92t 7i76 now
10:48 AM Tom_L: good
10:49 AM Tom_L: are the bit file descriptions in a table?
10:49 AM Tom_L: some of those are blank
10:49 AM Tom_L: .. that text you moved the other day
10:50 AM JT-Shop: I need to look at the bit file descriptions and see
10:51 AM JT-Shop: I might have done one, can't remember... I was more focused on getting it to work lol
10:53 AM Tom_L: PWM encoder feedback still greyed out
10:53 AM JT-Shop: oh I forgot to look at that
10:55 AM Tom_L: i'll wait on the build
10:55 AM JT-Shop: ok
10:55 AM JT-Shop: lunch minute
10:56 AM Tom_L: yeah pretty close
10:56 AM Tom_L: think i'll make the bank run first
12:00 PM slate is now known as Guest8590
12:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i still don't see where PWM encoder scale is stored
12:32 PM Tom_L: not being saved. after a build it reverts back to defaults
12:33 PM Tom_L: the box _is_ selectable now though
01:08 PM Deejay: re
01:44 PM JT-Cave: ok
03:43 PM * roycroft is home, and it's a lot cooler today, thank goodness
03:43 PM roycroft: it got up to 40 in eugene yesterday, and the high for today will be "only" 29
03:44 PM roycroft: the smoke was heavy in eugene yesterday as well, but it's all gone today - aqi is 30 right now, and it was 180 yesterday
04:10 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, yup scale is only built from scratch and not updated so I'll fix that
04:53 PM Unterhaus_: I saw old people wearing masks at the grocery, I wonder if it's because of smoke
04:54 PM Unterhaus_: supposed to be bad sunday and monday
04:54 PM roycroft: it could be because of smoke
04:54 PM roycroft: we have a lot more people wearing masks here when it's smoky
04:55 PM roycroft: when the aqi is low it's mostly young people who wear masks
04:55 PM roycroft: at least where i live
04:55 PM * roycroft is back to working on a workflow for preparing file for the shaper origin that is reasonable
05:05 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
05:05 PM Unterhausen: I used to think I didn't mind if someone lied to me, but now I realize it really makes me mad
05:05 PM Unterhausen: I went to walk some dogs today and the owner of the kennel said they weren't there. They were there
05:05 PM Tom_L: 100°F - 108°F tomorrow
05:05 PM roycroft: i've given up caring about the motives of other people
05:05 PM Unterhausen: The kennel is at a scrapyard. Virtually all scrappers are crooks at some level. He was probably worried I was going to steal something
05:05 PM Unterhausen: or else he was worried I was going to recognize the pile of stolen catalytic converters for what they were
05:05 PM roycroft: why would there be a pile of stolen catalytic converters out in the open?
05:05 PM bjorkint0sh: heh. I changed the struts on my car and went to the scrap yard to sell it.
05:05 PM bjorkint0sh: after 25 minutes of waiting, I got $1.23 cents for my troubles.
05:05 PM bjorkint0sh: never again.
05:06 PM CloudEvil: Most of the value is in the metal
05:06 PM XXCoder: yeah dunno. I bet they have two prices, illegal and legit sell
05:07 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, are you suggesting there are dishonest ppl in the world?
05:07 PM JT-Shop: lol
05:07 PM XXCoder: lol
05:07 PM XXCoder: I just hope nobody steals mine. I cant afford to replace it.
05:13 PM Unterhausen: if someone broke into my garage, they would get $10 for all the aluminum. Which would cost me a couple thousand to replace not including machine time
05:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:14 PM XXCoder: I remember reading about someone who stole thousand worth of copper from row of transformers or something
05:14 PM XXCoder: it cost city millions to fix
05:14 PM Unterhausen: costs $3k to replace a cat on an early prius
05:14 PM roycroft: copper theft has also been cut way down
05:15 PM roycroft: there is a different technique for that
05:15 PM Unterhausen: I think they might get a couple hundred out of it at most
05:15 PM roycroft: copper cables are tin coated now, which makes the cost of recycling very high
05:15 PM roycroft: so the scrap value is very low, since they require so much processing to recycle
05:15 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:16 PM roycroft: i've had fiber cuts from tweakers thinking fiber cables are copper cable
05:16 PM roycroft: once they cut it they realize it's worthless and they abandon it
05:16 PM Unterhausen: all the cabins near here have copper plumbing for propane distribution to lights. Or they did
05:17 PM roycroft: but then i have a fiber outage, and it costs a few thousand dollars to get a splicer out in the middle of the night (when it always happens) to repair the cable
05:17 PM roycroft: i seriously considered having some vaults built with false bottoms
05:17 PM roycroft: where i would put the fiber in the real bottom of the vault, install the false bottom, and then put some dummy copper cable in the upper part
05:18 PM Unterhausen: you could put surplus fiber in the top part too
05:18 PM XXCoder: cheaper to let them steal copper I guess
05:18 PM roycroft: yeah, i could do that
05:18 PM roycroft: and redesigning the vaults is no problem
05:18 PM roycroft: paying for the engineering to test and certify the design is expensive, though
05:19 PM Unterhausen: we've gone through this before, but my neighbor's cabin was broken into and they cut up all his copper pipes
05:19 PM roycroft: yeah, that happens a lot these days
05:19 PM roycroft: it's a real problem with houses too
05:19 PM Unterhausen: then they made a fire and took a nap waiting for the fittings to melt off. They were press to connect, so the fire didn't get them off
05:19 PM Unterhausen: so they just left them in the stove
05:19 PM roycroft: many houses that were foreclosed when we had the mortgage issues a few years ago had all the copper pipes stripped out by the folks being forclosed on
05:20 PM Unterhausen: grandpa didn't have such problems when he stole copper piping
05:20 PM roycroft: folks were also removing all the lock sets and door handles when they were evicted
05:20 PM roycroft: i get being angry when things go badly for you
05:21 PM roycroft: and i get that some of those folks were actually screwed over by being given mortgages that they could not possibly afford
05:21 PM roycroft: but that kind of vandalism is unwarranted in any situation
05:22 PM Unterhausen: same kind of person would do that would get a mortgage they couldn't afford without worrying about it
05:22 PM roycroft: well the 2008 crisis wasn't totally the consumers' fault
05:22 PM roycroft: there were a lot of lenders who were being misleading, at best
05:22 PM Unterhausen: significant contribution from consumers
05:23 PM roycroft: i'm not saying they're totally without fault
05:23 PM Unterhausen: low end of the market was different
05:23 PM roycroft: but they were misled
05:23 PM XXCoder: roy agreed on vanalism
05:23 PM Unterhausen: people who owned houses worth $20k were badly misled
05:23 PM XXCoder: unter here $20k would be cardboard box
05:24 PM roycroft: a big problem we saw around here, which i assume was nationwide, was misleading terms, such as "fixed" rates that had fine print that showed them going up over time
05:24 PM roycroft: people saw a "fixed" rate and assumed it was fixed for the the term of the mortgage
05:24 PM roycroft: but in reality it was a fixed rate schedule, that increased over time
05:25 PM roycroft: also, a lot of mortgages were offered at true fixed rates, but with a ginormous balloon payment in 5 years - the larger the payment, the small and more obfuscated the fine print explaining it
05:25 PM Tom_L: they were pulling copper from active light poles here for a while
05:26 PM roycroft: and while i agree that at the end of the day, when you sign a contract, you are reponsbile for reading and understanding it in its entirety, in truth many people had these contracts thrust upon them with demands to sign on the spot or lose the rate
05:26 PM roycroft: it was a combination of high pressure and obfuscated terms
05:27 PM roycroft: that's happened around here too, tom_l
05:27 PM roycroft: people have been electrocuted trying to steal live wires
05:28 PM CloudEvil: If you're selling people things with terms they don't understand, and that's not based on them wilfully ignoring it, but being unable to understand by design, that should be your fault if they misunderstand.
05:28 PM roycroft: agreed, cloudevil
05:29 PM roycroft: i still place some of the blame on the consumer
05:29 PM roycroft: but when the lending company is intentionally trying to mislead the consumer, the majority of the blame is on the lender
05:30 PM CloudEvil: If you're selling to the average consumer, who has the average rate of innumeracy and illeteracy, ...
05:31 PM Unterhausen: which goes back to my original thesis, which is all scrapyard owners are crooks at some level, that's why the guy lied to me
05:32 PM JT-Shop: Leo is using Renaissance wax on the hanging knees and lodging knees
05:32 PM JT-Shop: oh and the breast hooks too
05:32 PM roycroft: if you peddle a mortgage at, say, 3.25% for 30 years with a monthly payment of $1500, and then bury a $50,000 balloon payment after 36 months on page 47 of the document, in highly obfuscated language, that is never even mentioned, much less explained, that is bordering on fraud
05:33 PM roycroft: i love renaissance wax
05:43 PM * roycroft is about to declare autocad useless
05:43 PM roycroft: i cannot get it to export an eps file that scales properly
05:45 PM JT-Shop: last time I used acad was a couple of decades ago
05:58 PM Tom_L: for good reason
05:58 PM Tom_L: :)
05:58 PM Tom_L: i don't like it much either
05:59 PM * bjorkint0sh swears by acad.
05:59 PM bjorkint0sh: because it comes with autolisp.
05:59 PM bjorkint0sh: and what's not to like about that?
06:02 PM bjorkint0sh: really, if I had another drawing program with a lispy interface, I'll be very happy.
06:16 PM roycroft: i like autocad a lot for 2d drafting
06:16 PM roycroft: but that may in part be because i've been using it since r12
06:17 PM roycroft: i do use solidworks much more than autocad these days, but i'm also primarily doing 3d designs these days
06:18 PM roycroft: and while fusion 360 may be a decent product, it's licensing is "fluid" at best, and i have no guarantee that if i threw a lot of money at autodesk i could use that product in perpetuity without having to throw more money at them
06:18 PM roycroft: solidworks already have my money, and my license is perpetual
06:21 PM roycroft: well, it's perpetual as long as i can run a version of windows that it runs on
06:21 PM roycroft: which, with virtualization, is effectively perpetually
06:28 PM bjorkint0sh: roycroft, how much did it cost to get the perpetual license?
06:39 PM roycroft: iirc we paid about $4500 for it in 2008
06:39 PM roycroft: i bought an upgrade not too long ago from a third-party
06:40 PM roycroft: it was a license transfer of 2018, and i paid <$1k for that
06:40 PM roycroft: i don't anticipate ugprading again, but 2008 did not have the cam software, and 2018 does
06:40 PM roycroft: so it was a worthwhile upgrade - 2008 would otherwise have worked fine for me indefinitely
07:13 PM roycroft: so yeah, it gets worse
07:13 PM roycroft: shaper really push their design tool, which costs $99/year
07:14 PM roycroft: it's a really really crappy tool, but it purports to convert .dfx files to .sgv, and if it did that i'd pay the $99
07:14 PM roycroft: i signed up for a trial, and exported an acad file to .dxf
07:15 PM roycroft: it comes in with all layers visible, including the plot layers that should only be in paper space
07:15 PM roycroft: this even when i export to r12 .dxf, and r12 doesn't even have paper space
07:15 PM roycroft: not only that, the layers are all flattened and it imports as one single object, which i can explode and delete individual items after
07:16 PM roycroft: but there are over 100 objects in my file, which is only a 4 line trapezoid
07:16 PM roycroft: and the shaper tool does not let me select a group of objects to delete - i have to delete them individually
07:16 PM * roycroft will definitely be cancelling that subscription before he's charged for it
07:16 PM XXCoder: not great
07:17 PM roycroft: this should not be so hard to do
07:17 PM roycroft: i want to draw a trapezoid to exact dimensions and save it as a .svg file that the origin understands
07:18 PM XXCoder: ohh good inheirance machining video
07:18 PM roycroft: and at the end of the day, i need to be able to use my cad software to do this - i can't do the drawings in inkscape or ai directly, as i need cad to design the products, and it would be not only inefficient, but prone to error to redraw things in a vector drawing program
07:19 PM roycroft: the "advice" i've gotten so far on forums is to do just that - if it's a trapezoid i should just use inkscape or ai to draw it
07:19 PM roycroft: folks don't get that when things get more complex that doesn't work reliably
07:20 PM XXCoder: yeah scale change things
07:20 PM roycroft: i don't even get what happened before
07:21 PM roycroft: i mean, it's not a metric/us customary conversion issue
07:21 PM roycroft: it is totally random
07:21 PM roycroft: i draw a line that's 15.625" long in autocad
07:21 PM roycroft: i export as eps, to import into ai so i can convert it to svg
07:21 PM roycroft: when it gets to ai the 15.625" line is 9.347"
07:22 PM * roycroft cannot see how that can happen
07:22 PM XXCoder: 0.598208 or 59.8% ratio
07:22 PM roycroft: yes
07:22 PM XXCoder: yeah dunno
07:23 PM roycroft: some folks say that origin assumes 96dpi on a eps file, and some software defaults to 72dpi
07:24 PM roycroft: but first of all, it should be exporting as absolute units, and second, even if it did some weird dpi thing, 72dpi is 75% of 96dpi, not 59.8%
07:25 PM roycroft: i even considered using the "on tool cad software" to do this, thinking it's a simple shape
07:25 PM roycroft: but that software lets me draw squares, rectangles, circles, and ovals
07:25 PM roycroft: and has some really crude text capability
07:25 PM roycroft: and it's all freehand drawing - no setting units or scaling
07:26 PM roycroft: which is fine - i did not expect to use the on tool software for any design work at all, ever
07:26 PM * roycroft continues to search for the magic formula to get his design on the origin
07:27 PM XXCoder: voodoo fun
07:31 PM roycroft: i just found a possible clue
07:32 PM roycroft: apparently inkscape has its own svg format that origin does not like, but folks say if they save as a "plain" svg instead of an "inkscape" svg origin is happy
07:32 PM roycroft: so i'll try the conversion with inkscape instead of illustrator
07:33 PM roycroft: which, if it works, would be better because i have a a native mac os version of inkscape, while my adobe creative suite is windows-based, and requires firing up a vm to run
07:34 PM roycroft: gst3d just sent me a spam - the first one since i did my chargeback and told them never to contact me again
07:34 PM roycroft: they announced that they're "back in the usa", and encourage me to go to gst3d.eu to order from them
07:36 PM XXCoder: geez yeah im not ordering from them anytime soon
07:41 PM roycroft: that may actually be good news
07:41 PM roycroft: btw, my svg was way too small on the origin, but i'm trying again, explicitly setting dimensions in inkscape
07:42 PM roycroft: anyway, it sounds like gst3d closed down their flaky florida operation, and just reopened
07:42 PM roycroft: hopefully with new management
07:42 PM roycroft: but i'll let other folks figure out if they're more reliable now
07:42 PM XXCoder: yeah hopefully not one who danced in underwear by filament machines
07:42 PM * roycroft is way done with them
08:29 PM Tom_L: roycroft, are there different types of svg files?
08:29 PM Tom_L: ie vector image or txt
08:31 PM roycroft: apparently there are, tom_l
08:32 PM roycroft: they're all xml files, and they all describe vector graphics elements, but apparenly there are different ways to do it
08:32 PM XXCoder: yeah inkscape has its own flavor though theorically it works in any svg inport
08:32 PM roycroft: the situation in kilowna is getting pretty desperate
08:32 PM roycroft: the entire city is being evacuated
08:33 PM roycroft: yellowknife was evacuated yesterday
08:33 PM Tom_L: possibly the different programs you've tried adhere to the varying versions of svg
08:34 PM roycroft: that's significant becuse yellowknife is the capital of the northwest territories, but the population is only about 20,000
08:34 PM roycroft: kelowna bc is close to 150,000
08:34 PM roycroft: that seems to be the case, tom_l
08:34 PM roycroft: and the shaper origin seems to be very particular about the svg files that one feeds it
08:34 PM XXCoder: svg units should be standard
08:34 PM Tom_L: and you're interested in the vector graphic version?
08:34 PM roycroft: yes, i deal with vectors
08:34 PM roycroft: not raster images
08:48 PM * roycroft wonders how one evacuates a city of 150,000 people that is in the middle of nowhere, and where they are all supposed to go
08:48 PM XXCoder: definitely good usecase for having a rv
08:48 PM roycroft: kelowna is 5 hours from vancouver, and 7 hours from calgary
08:48 PM roycroft: the latter requiring driving over the rockies
08:50 PM roycroft: if it did the importing and converting it would be worth it to me
08:50 PM roycroft: but it doesn't
08:50 PM roycroft: i'm on a 14 day free trial now
08:50 PM roycroft: i have a todo item to cancel the trial before they convert to a paid subscription :)
08:50 PM Tom_L: i bought a cd of something adobe to have the full version and a couple months later they promptly said i can't use it anymore and need to get the paid subscription
08:51 PM roycroft: that's pretty much why i have no interest in fusion 360
08:51 PM roycroft: even though it has an offical shaper plugin that should solve my problem
08:51 PM roycroft: because even if i agree to whatever their license terms of the day are, they will surely change to terms i cannot agree to shortly
08:51 PM Tom_L: i don't recall what it was now but something for photos
08:52 PM roycroft: adobe are just as bad as autodesk at the bait and switch thing
08:52 PM XXCoder: adobe man early days software was good, if heavy on pc resources
08:52 PM XXCoder: now its still heavy on resources and uselessly expensive
08:52 PM roycroft: their software still is good
08:53 PM roycroft: outstanding, in fact
08:53 PM roycroft: i have no complaints about the quality of adobe or autodesk products
08:53 PM roycroft: it's the licenses that are the problem
08:53 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:54 PM roycroft: and in this age of rentalware, you can't pony up for a perpetual license and know that if you don't like their future terms you're just stuck with the version you bought
08:55 PM Tom_L: yeah they disabled it
08:55 PM XXCoder: I guess adobe got better on software again after I quit using their software
08:55 PM XXCoder: but then it was pretty long while ago
08:55 PM Tom_L: i have several of their packages but don't use them anymore
08:56 PM roycroft: i still use illustrator occasionally, and acrobat pro rarely
08:56 PM Tom_L: not even sure if i can sign in now
08:56 PM roycroft: but i don't use any of their other products any more, even though i have a cs6 license
08:56 PM roycroft: mac preview does most of my pdf work
08:56 PM roycroft: but if i need to assemble multiple pdfs into one big pdf, or create fancy pdf forms, i still use acrobat pro
08:57 PM roycroft: i do that a handful of times/year on average
08:58 PM Tom_L: i had photoshop, lightroom and a couple others of theirs and topaz which is an amazing photo product
08:58 PM XXCoder: cs6, you used to design flash stuff?
08:58 PM roycroft: no, never any flash
08:59 PM Tom_L: elements
08:59 PM Tom_L: that was the one i think they cancelled on me
08:59 PM roycroft: but it was cheaper to get the cs6 suite than buy photoshop, illustrator, and acrobat pro separately
08:59 PM * roycroft upgraded to cs6 right before they turned it into rentalware
08:59 PM roycroft: that was several years ago
09:00 PM roycroft: there
09:00 PM roycroft: is a big fire that is rapidly spreading just southwest of spokane
09:01 PM roycroft: and now we have hurricane hilary, the first ever hurricane that is threatening the west coast of the us
09:02 PM roycroft: it looks like it will peter out before it gets to oregon, though - it's tracking to turn in to nevada and die there
09:02 PM XXCoder: yeah https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-95.48,21.63,883/loc=-98.766,14.703
09:02 PM roycroft: although i'm not sure how accurate the tracking can be, since we don't have a history of hurricanes on the west coast
09:03 PM XXCoder: whats concerning is that there is another one thats tiny one that ponentally can develop into next one
09:03 PM roycroft: yup, it should reach baja tomorrow, and start to weaken, but it's tracking almost due north
09:03 PM XXCoder: I suggest check that link out, its nice site for winds
09:03 PM roycroft: hilary is category 4 right now
09:04 PM CloudEvil: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/235048.shtml?gm_track#contents
09:04 PM roycroft: the north atlantic is fairly quiet for now, - just two invests - but that will likely change very soon
09:04 PM CloudEvil: Reckons that 50 knot winds might just hit San Diego.
09:05 PM roycroft: there has never been a tropical storm watch in california
09:05 PM CloudEvil: Wtih 34 probably hitting vegas/fresno
09:05 PM CloudEvil: Indeed.
09:06 PM roycroft: it's not the winds that are the issue
09:06 PM CloudEvil: yeah.
09:06 PM roycroft: it's the dumping of 6 months to a year's worth of rain in a day that's the issue
09:06 PM CloudEvil: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_ep4+shtml/235048.shtml?ero#contents flash flooding potential
09:06 PM roycroft: there's going to be flash flooding and landslides all over the place
09:07 PM CloudEvil: Damn large parts with >40% chance of flash flooding
09:07 PM CloudEvil: (though the overall larger area with >5% chance may oerwhelm in terms of nubers)
09:08 PM roycroft: the "at least 5%" area extends well into oregon, but not western oregon
09:08 PM roycroft: but if the storm tracks a little more to the west than forecast that could change
09:08 PM roycroft: and again, we don't have a history of hurricanes on the west coast
09:09 PM roycroft: historical paths are an important factor in predicting storm tracking, and we don't have any of that
09:11 PM CloudEvil: Quite.
09:11 PM CloudEvil: Hopefully the statistics will remain poor.
09:11 PM roycroft: i just got a marti report on my pickup - the door sticker was missing when i bought it, so i did not know all the specs
09:12 PM roycroft: it has a 172in wheelbase
09:12 PM roycroft: my prius has a 100i wheelbase
09:12 PM roycroft: maybe that's why the pickup has a turning radius wider than a major street
09:12 PM XXCoder: do a red green trick on it
09:13 PM roycroft: the prius has a curb weight of 2765 lbs
09:13 PM roycroft: the curb weight of the pickup is just under 9000lbs
09:14 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7LuHW4BIlU
09:16 PM roycroft: a lot of trailers have moveable axles
09:32 PM Tom_L: must have taken the trailer in there for a reason. rather worthless if you can't haul anything on it
09:33 PM XXCoder: red green was fun show, though only watched some of the show when it was live
09:38 PM roycroft: yes, i enjoyed the red green show when it was on pbs