#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 16 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:38 AM Guest71: hi there just dropped in to see how active this chat is.
12:49 AM XXCoder: hi
12:49 AM XXCoder: quiet right now, usual for this hours
01:20 AM Deejay: moin
02:21 AM randy: morning
04:33 AM Tom_L: morning
04:48 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-|
04:49 AM JT-Cave1: morning
04:57 AM travis_farmer: going through med changes, sorry if i am a bit... erratic
06:05 AM MootPoot_ is now known as MootPoot
06:16 AM JT-Cave1: rooster just crowed
06:28 AM Tom_L: 63°F - 106 over the weekend
06:29 AM travis_farmer: 61F/75F 100%rh
07:33 AM robotustra: morning
07:33 AM robotustra: may be somebody knows what module inside lcnc interpret g-code and send it to motion module?
07:51 AM rmu: robotustra: the interpreter
07:52 AM rmu: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/src/emc/rs274ngc
07:54 AM robotustra: rmu, my question rather about modules connection than about this interpreter. How the code loaded into axis gui is spelled to motion module?
07:55 AM robotustra: is it done through canonical g-code form?
07:56 AM robotustra: is the rs274ngc spells commands to motion module?
07:56 AM robotustra: *does
07:58 AM rmu: robotustra: i don't really understand your question. if you run a g-code file, axis tells the interpreter the filename. more or less.
08:00 AM rmu: s/if/when/
08:00 AM robotustra: what is "NML motion commands"? is it g-code or it's already processed g-code?
08:02 AM rmu: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/code-notes.html
08:03 AM rmu: NML is the communication layer between interpreter and the realtime stuff
08:05 AM rmu: no g-code is sent to realtime stuff
08:12 AM robotustra: rmu, I'm curious in communication between emctask and emcmot
08:15 AM rmu: robotustra: you will probably have to read the source
08:16 AM robotustra: sure I will, I'm just looking for entry point where to look into.
08:39 AM robotustra: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/motion/command.c - this is what I was looking for.
08:55 AM travis_farmer: well, here goes nothing... (shuts down personal server to migrate to newly acquired server)
08:58 AM travis_farmer: (starting full-shutdown backup run...)
09:51 AM Deejay: re
10:17 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave1, sserial seems to be working now
10:21 AM JT-Cave1: good
10:21 AM Tom_L: building
10:21 AM JT-Cave1: ok
10:27 AM Tom_L: pr #16
10:32 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave1, do you know the default firmware for the 7i92T?
10:34 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:43 AM JT-Cave: hmm, no I don't
10:43 AM Tom_L: does it have sserial?
10:43 AM Tom_L: mmm i may have to get out my 7i92
10:43 AM Tom_L: i think if it does it will be on a daughter card
10:45 AM Tom_L: no place to add joint data
10:46 AM Tom_L: that will probably be the next available card right?
10:46 AM Tom_L: 7i92T
10:46 AM JT-Cave: to test with mesact?
10:46 AM JT-Cave: or in stock?
10:46 AM Tom_L: yeah
10:46 AM Tom_L: both
10:47 AM JT-Cave: yes and they are in stock
10:47 AM Tom_L: need to add joint data to the 7i92T tab
10:48 AM Tom_L: can't build a config without at least one joint defined
10:50 AM JT-Cave: joint data?
10:50 AM Tom_L: no place to enter it
10:53 AM JT-Cave: I'm not following you
10:53 AM Tom_L: i selected a 7i92T board and entered the gui stuff and went to the 7i92T tab to start entering joint data but there's no joints there
10:54 AM JT-Cave: joints are on the daughter cards
10:54 AM Tom_L: lemme try again
10:54 AM JT-Cave: I do need to add the g540 I suppose
10:54 AM Tom_L: ok i see those
10:55 AM Tom_L: 7i76
10:58 AM Tom_L: none of those boards have the spindle option it seems
11:00 AM JT-Cave: 7i77 you use any analog channel for spindle
11:00 AM Tom_L: would that fall under the spindle tab then?
11:01 AM JT-Cave: 7i76 has a spindle and encoder
11:01 AM JT-Cave: yes and that's mostly what I have to code is for spindles on daughter cards
11:01 AM Tom_L: trying to figure out how you would set up a spindle - encoder for the 7i92T and daughter card combination
11:02 AM Tom_L: ok
11:03 AM JT-Cave: I love mesact, just a couple of mouse clicks and I have the latest manual right from Mesa
11:06 AM Tom_L: are you going to try and support the older boards or just the new ones?
11:08 AM JT-Cave: the older boards will be easy once the new ones are done
11:08 AM JT-Cave: people still have the old boards so yep
11:08 AM Tom_L: you making lookup tables for the various io options or how do you do that?
11:10 AM JT-Cave: for the selection of an io? or generating the hal?
11:15 AM * JT-Cave thinks it's nap time
11:20 AM Tom_L: for generating the hal for each board
11:58 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:59 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/master/mesact/src/libmesact/buildio.py#L6
11:59 AM JT-Shop: I use a dictionary
11:59 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/master/mesact/src/libmesact/buildio.py#L263
12:04 PM Tom_L: probably less headache doing it that way
12:10 PM JT-Shop: it's the only way I could figure out how to do it without repeating code
12:11 PM JT-Shop: and I've done my fair share of repeating code in the past...
12:14 PM * JT-Shop gets back to installing the rocker cover
12:29 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, what I've not tested is to build a 7i96s with all axes
12:30 PM Tom_L: ok
12:30 PM Tom_L: i did one with xyza
12:31 PM * Tom_L leaves for a bit
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: who makes the best cordless drills currently?
02:08 PM JT-Shop: dewalt
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: is that what you are using now?
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: was using a mix of dewalt, Milwaukee and Makita last week
02:22 PM robotustra: coeurless drills
02:29 PM robotustra: have a question, is the STEP-NC a real thing? Somebody use it?
02:32 PM Tom_L: dewalt or miluwakee
02:32 PM Tom_L: not quite as fond of makita
02:35 PM bjorkintosh: robotustra, I haven't seen it anywhere yet. then again, I haven't been everywhere!
02:42 PM Tom_L: https://www.steptools.com/stds/stepnc/
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: they make battery adapters between dewalt and Milwaukee as well
02:43 PM bjorkintosh: http://www.steptools.com/stds/stepnc/demos.html
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: I have been fabbing my own for older NiCad tools
02:44 PM Tom_L: they should have a standard battery plug
02:45 PM Tom_L: if they're gonna continue pushing this 'all electric' fad
02:45 PM bjorkintosh: they can't. someone will doubtlessly make better batteries and chase those profits away.
02:45 PM bjorkintosh: correction. They won't.
02:45 PM Tom_L: auto mfg did
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: an old dev/user of LCNC has been working with step-nc
02:46 PM bjorkintosh: Tom_L, yeah but I'm pretty sure it took some doing.
02:46 PM Tom_L: the whole.. 'my drill is bigger than your drill' thing
02:46 PM CaptHindsight: he's in Tom_L's neighborhood
02:47 PM Tom_L: not stuart?
02:47 PM Tom_L: stuart retired
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: he worked for Stuart
02:47 PM Tom_L: not anymore :)
02:47 PM Tom_L: oh past tense
02:47 PM Tom_L: sry
02:47 PM Tom_L: kim?
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: hence the paster tense
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: yeah Kim
02:47 PM Tom_L: he's on here i think
02:48 PM Tom_L: was
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: paster tense again :)
02:48 PM Tom_L: wasn't he from Iowa?
02:48 PM bjorkintosh: interesante: https://www.steptools.com/docs/stpython/
02:48 PM Tom_L: not sure about that
02:51 PM bjorkintosh: I clearly need to build a prototype to fool about with.
02:56 PM robotustra: ok, looks like step-nc is a dead born thing
03:03 PM JT-Shop: hmm
03:05 PM Tom_L: hmm?
03:07 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SrqHM7Uue0
03:07 PM Tom_L: skip to 18min
03:12 PM JT-Shop: cool find too bad he doesn't have a clue what he's looking at
03:12 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:13 PM Tom_L: i didn't have sound
03:13 PM Tom_L: just as well
03:15 PM Tom_L: i wonder @ 5min if those were the steam power
03:17 PM Tom_L: 2:30 has one of the turned pillars
03:17 PM Tom_L: maybe a reject
03:19 PM Tom_L: i bet that took a while to make
03:21 PM travis_farmer: that server migration i started this morning... i just now got the server to boot linux (dang secure boot settings), got Proxmox VE installed, and am FINALLY restoring the backuped VMs :-)
03:29 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, when selecting a firmware is changing to the results tab annoying? and is the results tab named clearly to say what is there?
03:29 PM Tom_L: lemme see
03:29 PM Tom_L: btw that lathe inside is the polishing lathe
03:30 PM Tom_L: the other one was for roughing
03:30 PM Tom_L: found another video a little smarter
03:30 PM Tom_L: those machines were air compressors
03:32 PM Tom_L: i think so. i'm not sure how else you could do that
03:34 PM Tom_L: is there room for 'info' to be on the Firmware tab instead of it's own?
03:35 PM JT-Shop: yeah I think so
03:35 PM JT-Shop: is the auto tab switching annoying?
03:36 PM Tom_L: then maybe call the result firmware pinout or something like that
03:36 PM Tom_L: maybe a little annoying
03:36 PM Tom_L: was unexpected the first time
03:37 PM Tom_L: i don't think info needs a separate tab unless it won't fit on the main one
03:37 PM JT-Shop: ok
03:37 PM Tom_L: then call the other one 'Firmware content' or 'Firmware pinout' etc
03:38 PM JT-Shop: ok
03:38 PM JT-Shop: I like pinout better
03:38 PM JT-Shop: or just firmware pins
03:38 PM Tom_L: or just pinout by itself
03:38 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:38 PM Tom_L: something along those lines
03:39 PM Tom_L: in the file, he calls it IO Connections
03:40 PM bjorkintosh: robotustra, it's coming though! any moment now.
03:40 PM JT-Shop: hmm we should be consistent with Peter
03:40 PM Tom_L: IO Map
03:40 PM bjorkintosh: is peter a STEP standard?
03:40 PM Tom_L: no peter is a human
03:40 PM bjorkintosh: Oh.
03:41 PM Tom_L: well super human
03:41 PM Tom_L: :)
03:41 PM JT-Shop: yup
03:41 PM bjorkintosh: a rock, one might suppose?
03:41 PM travis_farmer: an awesome super human :-)
03:43 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, put the text box that is right of the Firmware box under the Firmware box and put the info there
03:44 PM Tom_L: and if needed slide the Smart Serial box to the right a bit
03:45 PM Tom_L: the bold txt takes more space
03:47 PM JT-Shop: I'll putz around with that in the morning
03:48 PM Tom_L: k
03:49 PM Tom_L: is there a reason Smart Serial is on that page?
03:50 PM JT-Shop: yes, the smart serial ports depend on the firmware and if you use p1 you need more ports on the config line
03:51 PM Tom_L: ok
03:51 PM JT-Shop: for the moment I think I just have all of them enabled
03:51 PM Tom_L: i figured you had a plan i just didn't know what
03:52 PM JT-Shop: loadrt [HM2](DRIVER) board_ip=[HM2](ADDRESS) config="sserial_port_0=00000000"
03:54 PM Tom_L: now that you mentioned it, switching to the Result tab is kindof annoying
03:55 PM JT-Shop: I was thinking that
03:55 PM Tom_L: but having the info on the front page i think would be a plus
03:59 PM JT-Shop: I can do that after I'm done with the testing group box
04:00 PM Tom_L: no i meant put the info on the firmware tab somewhere
04:01 PM Tom_L: so it's updated as you select different firmware
04:01 PM Tom_L: that way someone can find the firmware they need easier
04:01 PM Tom_L: everyone has trouble deciphering his naming convention
04:05 PM Tom_L: you could show it on the Machine tab if you want but i think it would be more useful on the Firmware tab
04:05 PM JT-Shop: ok
04:05 PM Tom_L: they wouldn't have to switch tabs to see it
04:28 PM robotustra: bjorkintosh, according to the links the step-nc example was published in 2017
04:28 PM robotustra: 5 years ago
04:28 PM bjorkintosh: the most recent one, yes.
04:29 PM robotustra: I thought it's already something in use
04:29 PM bjorkintosh: any moment now.
04:29 PM robotustra: it's more for RnD
04:29 PM robotustra: not something for every-day-hobby-machinist use
04:31 PM bjorkintosh: well that's precisely who should be playing with it, robotustra
04:33 PM bjorkintosh: I like the fact that they have a python API
04:33 PM bjorkintosh: Python's eating the world.
04:33 PM bjorkintosh: did you see that?
04:35 PM bjorkintosh: robotustra, this is from 2 years ago:
04:36 PM bjorkintosh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbsC_qzB8us
04:36 PM bjorkintosh: found on this page: https://ap238.org/demos.html
04:39 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, just fixed the firmware section
04:40 PM Tom_L: k, i'll look here in a sec
04:42 PM Tom_L: yeah that's better
04:43 PM robotustra: bjorkintosh, anyway, it's not for hobby home machinists. This is a tool to allow mechanical engineer from england to make a part directly in china plant
04:43 PM robotustra: that's how I see it
04:43 PM Tom_L: fix the space in the smart serial box C hannels :)
04:43 PM bjorkintosh: it does allow that. but I think it's flexible enough for anyone else to use as well!
04:44 PM robotustra: within required toleances and without explaining to him or her why the part is not good
04:44 PM bjorkintosh: or it. It being a LLM.
04:45 PM robotustra: china man just put a cube of Ti in the vise and all the rest an engineer from england will do
04:45 PM robotustra: but they are too late - the globalization process is rolling back
04:46 PM bjorkintosh: well the plant I worked at had several on-shore facilities. that could be applied there too.
04:47 PM bjorkintosh: it doesn't have to be across an ocean to be cost effective. it could be in the next town over.
04:47 PM robotustra: or it could be useful for machinist who work from home
04:47 PM bjorkintosh: think capacity planning.
04:47 PM bjorkintosh: your machines are down because someone broke something? well the job shop down the road can handle it too.
04:48 PM robotustra: so you are talking about interchangability and integration of everything in one system
04:49 PM CloudEvil: robotustra: 'Tin is basically Ti' - china beancounter.
04:49 PM robotustra: think it'll never be happen
04:49 PM bjorkintosh: no? we'll also probably never need more than 64Kb of memory :-)
04:50 PM robotustra: for the first iteration Tin is fair replacement for Ti
04:50 PM robotustra: it's like allow everyone to mine bitcoins on all my home PCs
04:51 PM bjorkintosh: but here we are. https://lenovopress.lenovo.com/datasheet/ds0169-lenovo-thinksystem-sr950-v3
04:51 PM bjorkintosh: that machine has 32TB of RAM. not SSD. RAM!
04:52 PM robotustra: may be I don't understand the power of step-nc
04:53 PM robotustra: but it for sure not for home built machines
04:53 PM bjorkintosh: neither were the first NC machines. but I have a CNC 3D printer sitting in my closet gathering dust.
04:54 PM bjorkintosh: never say never.
04:54 PM Tom_L: standardization
04:54 PM Tom_L: here's a file, make me some
04:56 PM robotustra: hold my beer
04:56 PM Tom_L: no but i'll drink it
04:57 PM robotustra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cT8vx3Nmvg
04:57 PM robotustra: give me back
04:58 PM robotustra: so, this video explains why the stadardization is a "urban legend"
04:58 PM robotustra: usa still does not use metric system
04:58 PM Tom_L: i already know the answer
04:58 PM Tom_L: my way is better than yours
04:58 PM robotustra: sure
04:59 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, line 954 mesact.ui
04:59 PM roycroft: the us has adopted si units twice - in the 1870s, and again in the 1970s
04:59 PM robotustra: ppl will not find a common approach, the max thing they can do - 2 or 3 big companies will produce NEW STANDARD and force all others to obey their standards
05:00 PM roycroft: our american customary units are defined in terms of the si units, which are the official units in the united states
05:00 PM Tom_L: i think
05:00 PM robotustra: it's true than inch is attached to meter, but it's not 1:1
05:01 PM JT-Shop: ?
05:01 PM roycroft: nobody said there is a 1:1 equivalency
05:01 PM robotustra: let's make 1 inch = 25 mm exactly!
05:01 PM Tom_L: there's an extra space in C hannels on the smart serial box
05:01 PM Tom_L: :)
05:01 PM Tom_L: it's buggin me
05:02 PM robotustra: C-hannels
05:02 PM roycroft: so it's 3 o'clock
05:02 PM roycroft: last week i went to get my driver's license renewed and was unable to do so
05:02 PM roycroft: after running around to three 3 dmv offices i finally found one that was open , took a number, and sat there for 2 hours
05:02 PM robotustra: roycroft, you don't get your license by mail?
05:03 PM roycroft: at 5pm they had ust called number 247
05:03 PM roycroft: i was number 249, so i was sent home
05:03 PM Tom_L: so you'll be 2nd tomorrow
05:03 PM roycroft: no, i got a real id, which requires in person
05:03 PM roycroft: so now i'm on vacation on the coast
05:03 PM roycroft: and no, it starts all over the next day
05:03 PM Tom_L: roycroft, they don't have call ahead there?
05:04 PM roycroft: anyway, i showed up at the dmv in the little town i'm in on the coast at 10am sharp, when they opened
05:04 PM robotustra: hm, in canada you go make your picture pay money and get the license in 2 weeks by mail
05:04 PM Tom_L: you call here and they txt you when it's getting close
05:04 PM roycroft: i was the second person in the queue
05:04 PM roycroft: we went through the whole procedure, i paid and everything, then i sat down to get my picture taken and found out that the cameras were down state-wide
05:04 PM robotustra: and we book an apointment on the web site
05:04 PM roycroft: so they cancelled everything i had done and refunded my money
05:05 PM robotustra: shit happen
05:05 PM roycroft: i went back later on, and did the whole thing again, as the cameras were working, and just as they were about to take my picture the power went out
05:05 PM robotustra: thats a good example of standadrization
05:05 PM roycroft: it came back on a few minutes later but their computer systems were all scrambled
05:05 PM bjorkintosh: roycroft, do you carry extra static electricity with you?
05:05 PM bjorkintosh: just by any chance?
05:05 PM roycroft: they told everyone they were closing for the day
05:06 PM roycroft: so i ended up driving 40 miles up the coast to the next dmv
05:06 PM robotustra: roycroft, lucky man
05:06 PM roycroft: and, of course, they thought i had already been issued a new license
05:06 PM roycroft: so i had to get that all sorted
05:06 PM roycroft: i had to pay again, but the previous payment has not been refunded yet
05:06 PM roycroft: i'll get that taken care of
05:07 PM roycroft: and i finally have a temporary license
05:07 PM roycroft: but that took five hours today
05:07 PM roycroft: going to the dmv is not a very vacationy activity, and i do not recommend it to anyone
05:08 PM bjorkintosh: dealing with *state.gov services is always a pain.
05:08 PM bjorkintosh: try applying for unemployment and see. it's a job in itself.
05:09 PM robotustra: but you can go and buy gun after 16 yo?
05:10 PM robotustra: do you need a DL for that?
05:10 PM bjorkintosh: an ID.
05:10 PM bjorkintosh: also depends on the state.
05:11 PM bjorkintosh: and what you're buying.
05:11 PM robotustra: what are IDs in usa?
05:11 PM robotustra: DL, medical insurance, passport?
05:11 PM bjorkintosh: state IDs, social security cards, passports, driver's licenses,
05:11 PM bjorkintosh: medical insurance doesn't always count.
05:12 PM robotustra: SIN is not an ID in canada
05:12 PM roycroft: the other hassle i had was that the state wanted a piece of mail delivered to my residential address from a utility or financial institution
05:12 PM bjorkintosh: robotustra, it's a second ID when two forms of ID are required.
05:12 PM robotustra: like power bill?
05:12 PM roycroft: i don't get much mail at all at my residence (i use a post office box), and i haven't gotten a utility bill or bank statement in the mail in 20 years
05:13 PM robotustra: roycroft, that's gotcha
05:13 PM roycroft: fortunately one credit card is incompetent, and when i signed up for online statements (to avoid the $2/month statement fee) they started making my statements available online, and corrected my mailing address to my po box, but kept sending copies of my statements to my residential address
05:14 PM roycroft: so i just waited until i got the next one and used that for the real id stuff
05:14 PM roycroft: it's hard to believe that anyone thinks people get bills/statements in the mail any more
05:15 PM JT-Shop: my wife tried to get a real id today and they told her she needed all the marriage licenses plus her birth certificate notarized of course
05:16 PM roycroft: i have an official copy of my birth certificate
05:16 PM Tom_L: we did that earlier this year
05:16 PM roycroft: i got that in 2015, the last time i got my license renewed
05:16 PM Tom_L: but i had everything we needed
05:16 PM roycroft: the stat told me then i should get a real id, and what documents i needed
05:17 PM JT-Shop: her's is from Puerto Rico in her birth name... it's complicated for sure
05:17 PM roycroft: so i tried, but when i went to the dmv they did not know what to do
05:17 PM Tom_L: yeah the woman has to have the marriage license
05:17 PM roycroft: i ended up just getting a regular license then
05:17 PM roycroft: but i kept the birth certificate from then, and it came in handy today
05:18 PM roycroft: so i think that as of now, i have a real id
05:18 PM roycroft: except it's a temporary one printed on a laser printer
05:18 PM roycroft: with luck, the official one will be mailed to me before this temporary one expires in a month
05:20 PM Tom_L: wonder if that hold tru if she identifies as a man
05:20 PM JT-Shop: I think I have a notarized birth certificate from the Territory of Alaska
05:20 PM roycroft: meanwhile, it's 18 degrees here in lincoln city, and it's 37 in eugene
05:20 PM Tom_L: we used those for trips but decided to get pasports this year
05:21 PM roycroft: so i don't mind all the running around today so much
05:21 PM JT-Shop: is a passport easier to get?
05:21 PM Tom_L: i dunno, it wasn't hard
05:21 PM roycroft: i think it's about the same
05:21 PM Tom_L: $100 ish
05:21 PM roycroft: except you deal with the postal service instead of the dmv
05:21 PM Tom_L: a couple of the photos had to be re'taken
05:22 PM Tom_L: they're picky about framing the face etc
05:22 PM roycroft: in my experience, usps workers are much friendlier and much more helpful than dmv workers
05:22 PM JT-Shop: I have a couple of expired passports
05:22 PM Tom_L: the process is slightly different then
05:22 PM Tom_L: they're good for 10 yrs
05:23 PM Tom_L: if i can still walk then i'll reconsider
05:23 PM roycroft: my passport is expired
05:23 PM roycroft: i don't know if real id gets me into canada or not
05:23 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham all that was needed was a driver's license, but that's changed
05:23 PM roycroft: i have no plans to go to canada any time soon, but i guess i should find out in case i do
05:23 PM Tom_L: oh we get different driver's license now with all the 'homeland' stuff on it
05:24 PM roycroft: that's the real id stuff
05:24 PM roycroft: i got to pay $50 extra for that today
05:24 PM Tom_L: ok i wasn't quite sure what you meant
05:24 PM Tom_L: i've had one of those a while
05:24 PM robotustra: we have to show canadian passports to get into US
05:24 PM roycroft: i tried getting one in 2015
05:25 PM robotustra: for some old canadians I think older than 1950 the passport was not needed
05:25 PM roycroft: the public transportation bit is actually going to be enforced starting next year
05:25 PM roycroft: so no plans or interstate trains without real id
05:25 PM Tom_L: if you use your birth certificate to leave the country on a boat you must return to the same port or you're screwed
05:25 PM roycroft: i haven't been to canada since about 2010
05:25 PM roycroft: i was able to get in with a driver's license still
05:26 PM roycroft: but i know it's more strict now
05:26 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham i mostly got waived in
05:26 PM JT-Shop: last time I was in Canada was 1967
05:26 PM roycroft: i would stop, they would ask where i'm from and where i'm going, and i'd say "i'm from bellingham, and i'm going to vancouver for dinner and a show"
05:26 PM roycroft: and they would not even check my id
05:27 PM Tom_L: never found a reason to go there
05:27 PM roycroft: it was closer than seattle to me
05:27 PM roycroft: so i went to vancouver a lot
05:27 PM XXCoder: no medicine holidays tom?
05:27 PM JT-Shop: it was the only way to drive from Alaska to the lower 48
05:27 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, mexico is cheaper for that :)
05:27 PM XXCoder: I do want to visit alaska and also canada
05:27 PM XXCoder: lol ok
05:27 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham, i went to far more concerts in vancouver than in seattle
05:28 PM robotustra: why do americans even go in canada? Nothing to see here :)
05:28 PM roycroft: but i lived 20 minutes from the border
05:28 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, if you make it back
05:28 PM roycroft: you live in the crappy part of canada
05:28 PM XXCoder: why would return be hard?
05:28 PM Tom_L: cartel
05:28 PM roycroft: i mostly visited bc
05:28 PM roycroft: which is beautiful
05:28 PM roycroft: and vancouver is an awesome city
05:28 PM XXCoder: cartel of what?
05:28 PM robotustra: I think BC is crappier now than quebec
05:29 PM robotustra: at least no fire in here
05:29 PM Tom_L: lots of human trafficing
05:29 PM XXCoder: ah well im ugly overweight guy
05:29 PM XXCoder: doubt they want me
05:29 PM roycroft: quebec had a buttload of fires earlier in the year
05:29 PM Tom_L: they can stuff more drugs in ya that way
05:29 PM robotustra: it was, I had smog for 2-3 days in mtl
05:30 PM roycroft: the smoke that blanketed pennsylvania and much of the east coast was mostly from quebec
05:30 PM XXCoder: lol well they'd have to talk with me first to entrap me or whatever, which is slightly hard
05:30 PM robotustra: but it didn't touch Mtl
05:30 PM robotustra: it was to the west from mtl
05:30 PM roycroft: quebec is pretty big
05:31 PM roycroft: biggest province in canada
05:31 PM robotustra: I would like it to be till luisiana
05:31 PM robotustra: like it used to be
05:33 PM robotustra: I didn't went futher than 200 km to the north of quebec
05:34 PM robotustra: all people live within 180 km stripe from the canada-us border
05:36 PM roycroft: yeah, most canadians do live close to the us border, for now
05:37 PM roycroft: i think that as the climate continues to change, more northern parts of canada may see some migration as the weather becomes more hosiptable
05:37 PM roycroft: i'm not saying that weather is the main reason canadians live close to the southern border, but it's an important reason
05:42 PM robotustra: what one angry engineed can do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI
05:43 PM robotustra: at our life time climate will not change drammatically to allow canadians go to the north
05:44 PM XXCoder: therefore its not a problem?
05:44 PM robotustra: there is no land appropriate for agriculture to the north, rocks mainly
05:45 PM robotustra: climate change is never being a problem, it's made up totally
05:46 PM robotustra: there were periods of time when the earth temperature were much higher than now, it's all about sun activity. humans exaggerate their impact on the earth
05:46 PM XXCoder: ah ignoring problem it is then
05:47 PM robotustra: if gov told that it's a problem - it's a problem, iven if it's made up totally
05:47 PM XXCoder: I'll just keep listening to actual scientists. not talking heads.
05:47 PM robotustra: but the problem between power and common humans
05:48 PM robotustra: there a lot of talking heads among scientists also
05:48 PM robotustra: who is working for grants
05:51 PM XXCoder: grants is evil. got it
05:53 PM robotustra: :)
05:53 PM robotustra: well, I setup my lcnc and now have to attach optoisolation to LPT
05:54 PM robotustra: and check the shape of signals on output
05:56 PM robotustra: and measure cut off frequency
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like to invest in a really well made set of cordless tools but it looks like they are all plastic with BLDC motor
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: the fan that cools the motor controller might be the big difference between a 2 and 10 year tool
06:13 PM XXCoder: maybe you could design your own
06:13 PM XXCoder: start off a homebrew cordless set
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: gut some old steel body corded tools
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/324694373242
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: or my 40 yo Milwaukee's
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: or just use corded tools with a backpack with Lipos and an inverter
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/france-on-sale-1-axis-closed-loop-nema-34-cnc-kit-9-nm-1274-5oz-in-fr-1-cl86t-s90
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: $80.27
06:24 PM XXCoder: one of those as drill head ;)
06:25 PM XXCoder: whats funny if its like that then it could detect stall and increase power to increase torque
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: https://egopowerplus.com/backpack-link/
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: 9nm
06:28 PM XXCoder: lol. interesting thoufg
06:28 PM XXCoder: gh
06:28 PM robotustra: this kind of optoisolation is a total garbage https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B09S3XTM5P
06:29 PM robotustra: toooooooooo slooooooooooow
06:29 PM robotustra: I think working frequency is around 100 Hz or so
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://egopowerplus.com/nexus-escape/
06:31 PM robotustra: disapointed, need to find new opto module with the frequency up to 20kHz
09:07 PM robotustra: hm, I think I find something for isolation, have to check it thou ADuM1200/ADuM1201