#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 13 2023
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12:47 AM solarwind: So it turns out the process for making synthetic ruby is very easy
12:57 AM solarwind: Just need to source some high purity aluminum oxide
12:57 AM solarwind: The whole process is literally: melt the aluminum oxide
12:57 AM XXCoder: yeah. so many gem is alum oxide.
12:57 AM solarwind: a seed crystal helps
12:57 AM solarwind: all ruby/sapphire and all colours are just aluminum oxide + some imperfection like chromium or another element
12:58 AM XXCoder: vibration can make it hit parts irregularly so it breaks tool
12:59 AM XXCoder: or by "hopping" on part if its z flexing
01:07 AM Deejay: moin
01:09 AM roycroft: are you there, solarwind?
03:14 AM Connor1 is now known as Connor
03:36 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-)
04:55 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:02 AM Tom_L: morning
05:29 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
06:13 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
06:42 AM travi__ is now known as travis_farmer
07:38 AM Unterhaus_: I finally used my bandsaw fence with my resaw blade after 2 1/2 years. Worked well
07:39 AM JT-Cave: The analog output is driven by a FPGA PWM output (normally PWM 0). Optimum
07:39 AM JT-Cave: PWM frequency is 10-20 KHz but frequencies from 5 KHz to 50 KHz are acceptable, lower
07:39 AM JT-Cave: frequencies will have higher output ripple and higher frequencies will have worse linearity.
07:40 AM JT-Cave: looks like it's a toss up of what might be the best general pwm frequency
07:40 AM JT-Cave: my buddy didn't understand how to setup a resaw blade and used to free hand
07:41 AM JT-Cave: if the blade is parallel to the fence and sharp it cuts straight
08:39 AM perry_j1987: morning
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09:03 AM Tom_dev: main.hal:224: parameter or pin 'hm2_7i96s.0.pwmgen.03.output-type' not found
09:04 AM Tom_L: only using 1 pwmgen... it should be 00 or 01?
09:04 AM Tom_L: 224 of the main.hal
09:05 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/main.hal
09:06 AM Tom_L: (tried running with a board this time)
09:08 AM Tom_L: yeah, changed them all to .00 and lcnc loaded ok
09:08 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, ^^
09:11 AM Tom_L: this was after this morning's pull
09:11 AM Tom_L: pid x.xx looks better, min max rpm are saved and read back
09:14 AM JT-Cave: # Spindle PWM Setup
09:14 AM JT-Cave: setp hm2_[MESA](BOARD).0.pwmgen.00.output-type [SPINDLE_0](PWM_TYPE)
09:14 AM JT-Cave: setp hm2_[MESA](BOARD).0.pwmgen.pwm_frequency [SPINDLE_0](PWM_FREQUENCY)
09:14 AM JT-Cave: setp hm2_[MESA](BOARD).0.pwmgen.00.scale [SPINDLE_0]SCALE
09:15 AM JT-Cave: that's what I get when I create a new config
09:15 AM Tom_L: i read this in from a previous one
09:15 AM Tom_L: and even if i edit the file it reverts back to .03
09:16 AM JT-Cave: post the ini you opened up
09:16 AM Tom_L: same dir as above
09:23 AM Tom_L: i erased the files from the dir before building and it still reverts to .03
09:24 AM Tom_L: but
09:24 AM Tom_L: lemme repost the files
09:25 AM Tom_L: line 224,226, and 231 are .03 but 237 is .00
09:26 AM Tom_L: just reloaded the files to the server
09:26 AM JT-Cave: yup it was a copy and paste error from the old mesact
09:27 AM Tom_L: otherwise lcnc loads the config
09:30 AM Tom_L: is there an extra /n in the io.hal or is that intended?
09:36 AM Tom_L: on your pwmgen fix, why would .value be correct but not the others?
09:37 AM Tom_L: i didn't pull the file and look, just your edits on git
09:40 AM Tom_L: i added a MDI 6 command and it wrote it to the file but won't read it back on a reload
09:40 AM Tom_L: those are the ones you added recently
09:42 AM JT-Cave: ok
09:42 AM JT-Cave: be back in a bit and I don't see an extra \n in buildio.py
09:42 AM Tom_L: it works,
09:42 AM Tom_L: just wondered...
09:42 AM Tom_L: pwmgen fixed
09:45 AM Tom_L: yeah, verified writing the extra MDI_COMMAND but does not read it back afte saving it
09:47 AM JT-Shop: ok
09:53 AM Tom_L: the rest looks pretty good to me
09:54 AM Tom_L: i wonder if the \n needs a space before it... just a wag
09:55 AM Tom_L: i didn't see any extra either
09:59 AM roycroft: our heat wave starts today
09:59 AM * roycroft got his camping gear out of the attic early this morning
10:00 AM CaptHindsight: 77f to day and only 71f tomorrow here
10:06 AM solarwind: roycroft I am now
10:07 AM solarwind: SHIT. I just took a sample of the exhaust oil from one of my air tools because it's coming out light gray. Most of my air tools exhaust oil that is clear. The oil in the air line oiler is itself clear.
10:07 AM solarwind: Lots of little grayish particles floating around in the oil
10:08 AM solarwind: looking at it under the microscope
10:09 AM solarwind: particle size is ~1 - 10 µm
10:12 AM CaptHindsight: sounds like the tracker particles from the Covid-19 vaccine jumped into you oil using 5G
10:15 AM solarwind: whoops got the scale wrong, particle size is 10-100µm
10:16 AM CaptHindsight: are they attracted to "magnets"?
10:19 AM solarwind: seem to be completely unaffected
10:19 AM CaptHindsight: if it's only from one tool, I'd suspect that tool as the one shedding material
10:19 AM solarwind: it's ~ 3 or 4 tools out of ~10
10:20 AM solarwind: more like 20 actually
10:20 AM CaptHindsight: you keep changing the rules
10:20 AM solarwind: die grinders, ratchet, angle grinders, etc.
10:21 AM solarwind: I have several very very good filters in the air system, so oil is pristine when it gets to the tool inlet
10:21 AM solarwind: if I spray the oil out of a blow gun, it's clear
10:21 AM solarwind: so yeah, most likely shedding material from the rotor vanes or housing
10:22 AM solarwind: they run perfectly smooth, so I think this is normal.
10:26 AM solarwind: Yeah, definitely metal. Pressing on the slide causes them to move around and rotate and glimmer
10:26 AM roycroft: solarwind: do you have any welding fixturing devices from fireball tool?
10:26 AM solarwind: No I don't
10:27 AM roycroft: ok i thought you might
10:27 AM solarwind: I'm not a fan of that guy
10:27 AM roycroft: i'm considering buying some of their squares, and i'm wondering if they're worth the hype
10:28 AM roycroft: do you have suggestions on other gear that is of similar quality?
10:30 AM solarwind: Wish I could help, but I haven't bought any large fixturing devices. I generally make such things myself
10:30 AM solarwind: They tend to be very expensive
10:37 AM roycroft: yes
10:38 AM roycroft: and i don't weld that often, but when i do i want it to go as quickly and easily and accurately as possible
10:38 AM roycroft: i don't have a fancy welding table, and probably won't ever get one
10:39 AM roycroft: but a few good squares would help line things up
10:39 AM roycroft: i've been using those cheap ones with a magnet sandwiched between two thin steel plates, but it's difficult to clamp the parts with those
10:40 AM roycroft: and it's difficult to hold square if the parts aren't firmly clamped while welding
10:40 AM solarwind: I have a huge welding table made of solid 1/2" thick steel plate, and another that weighs 3 tons made out of 2" thick steel that was machined by a horizontal boring mill
10:40 AM solarwind: it has T slots in it
10:40 AM roycroft: my welding table is shop-built out of rectangular tubing and 1/4" plate
10:40 AM roycroft: it works ok
10:40 AM roycroft: but it could be better
10:41 AM roycroft: i also have a couple of those portable welding tables that fold up and have slots in the middle
10:41 AM roycroft: i actually use those the most
10:41 AM roycroft: but some big squares that i can clamp would be nice
10:42 AM roycroft: and for this upcoming project i'll need to weld some tubing onto an angle iron frame at 19 degrees
10:42 AM roycroft: an adjustable square that i can clamp on would be great for that, and that's what i've been looking at from fireball tool
10:43 AM roycroft: https://fireballtool.com/products/magic-square?variant=40778554474540
10:43 AM roycroft: the fireball tool guy is kind of obnoxious
10:44 AM roycroft: he reminds me somewhat of the nyc cnc guy
10:44 AM roycroft: both of whom i think are smart, knowldgeable, and probably decent guys, but both of whose personalities rub me the wrong way
10:45 AM CaptHindsight: solarwind: what's all the welding for?
10:46 AM solarwind: Mostly just for fun
10:47 AM solarwind: roycroft you should see his video on moving the Cincinnati no. 5
10:47 AM solarwind: and his lathe
10:47 AM solarwind: violate every safety rule for rigging
10:47 AM solarwind: the guy is a clown
10:54 AM roycroft: maybe i shouldn't :)
10:55 AM roycroft: the stuff at weldtables.com is cheaper than fireball tools
10:55 AM roycroft: not quite as versatile
10:55 AM roycroft: but i'll consider their squares
10:57 AM roycroft: the look like their welding tables - precision cut kits that are self-assembled
10:57 AM roycroft: i could be ok with that
11:35 AM JT-Cave: yup I have a weldtable and it's perfect
11:35 AM JT-Cave: perfectly flat and square
11:35 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, fixed the mdi commands
11:35 AM * JT-Cave takes a nap now
01:47 PM roycroft: if i ever do get a new welding table it will likely be from weldtables.com
01:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i'll check in a bit then build
01:49 PM roycroft: and it will probably be smaller than my current one which is, iirc, 36"x60"
01:50 PM roycroft: 30"x48" would probably be a good size
01:58 PM skunkworks: wow - that pwm/dir to +/-10v might actually work
01:59 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, looks good here now
01:59 PM JT-Shop: I got the biggest size that can come ups then added wings to it
02:00 PM JT-Shop: external estop is broken I think
02:00 PM Tom_L: where?
02:00 PM Tom_L: how did you get rid of the extra line in io.hal?
02:00 PM JT-Shop: a chap that's using the tool just reported that nothing is added if you add an external estop input
02:00 PM Tom_L: i sure didn't see it...
02:01 PM Tom_L: i had an external estop defined in mine
02:01 PM JT-Shop: did it work
02:01 PM Tom_L: ahh no there are only 2 inputs not 3
02:01 PM Tom_L: i sure missed that one
02:01 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/commit/2a2472b74f2b0968af8113787f101427f7976a5e
02:02 PM Tom_L: i'll wait to build hten
02:02 PM JT-Shop: ok
02:02 PM roycroft: yeah, i see they don't make a 30x48
02:03 PM roycroft: but they make a 24x48, and i could get that and a 12x48 wing
02:03 PM Tom_L: ok i see what you did i think
02:04 PM roycroft: i have to go out to the fabrication shop in a bit - out of curiosity i'll see how a 24x48 would fit
02:04 PM roycroft: i could at least make my current welding table a bit smaller if it would work out well
02:04 PM roycroft: that shop is just too crowded - almost as bad as my main shop
02:06 PM Tom_L: it's not 'nothing is added' because i have 2 inputs, just the estop isn't added
02:08 PM JT-Cave: yup that part of the code is still commented out, gotta add it back and test
02:09 PM Tom_L: ok question.. there is a 7i96_test_2.0.1.var file as well as a parameter.var file. are both needed?
02:10 PM Tom_L: i assume you meant to go with the generic name instead of the specific one
02:12 PM Tom_L: it also makes a 7i96_test_2.0.1.var.bak file in the working directory
02:12 PM JT-Cave: let me look
02:14 PM Tom_L: maybe i'm wrong about the .bak file
02:14 PM Tom_L: or both...
02:14 PM Tom_L: i removed everything from the dir and build and i think it's ok
02:15 PM Tom_L: it defaults to the generic parameter.var file
02:15 PM Tom_L: i must not have removed those old files previously
02:19 PM Tom_L: yeah i think it's ok
02:27 PM JT-Cave: no, it was adding the wrong name to the ini then emc creates the file... it
02:27 PM JT-Cave: 's fixed now
02:27 PM Tom_L: ok
02:27 PM Tom_L: i'll build here in a bit
02:27 PM Tom_L: gotta finish a windows task now first
02:31 PM JT-Cave: do you have any inputs connected to the 7i96s?
02:35 PM Tom_L: no but i may be able to hook one up
02:35 PM Tom_L: i can use a wire for a switch
02:35 PM Tom_L: NC or NO?
02:36 PM JT-Cave: well for estop nc is the norm but if you invert the input no works
02:36 PM JT-Cave: I just inverted the input to test here that it works
02:37 PM JT-Cave: I have some switches and the 24v power supply so I'll add a few here later
02:37 PM Tom_L: lemme finish here then i can mess with it
02:37 PM Tom_L: 5v ok?
02:41 PM JT-Shop: Inputs operate with 4V to 36V DC and can have a positive or negative
02:41 PM JT-Shop: common for sourcing or sinking input applications.
02:47 PM solarwind: I was wrong, _all_ air tools shed metal into the exhaust oil
02:48 PM solarwind: that should have been obvious, that wear is normal
02:49 PM solarwind: some just have a higher concentration due to lower air/oil consumption but similar motor speeds, makes sense
02:50 PM solarwind: Now I have a nice set of microscope slides with oil samples from all my air tools lol
02:54 PM skunkworks: Lol - I must have been using a broken website to calculate the cutoff freq of the low pass. It is around 60hz - not 1khz.. which makes more sense to what I am seeing.
03:03 PM solarwind: Hmmm might be worth testing higher viscosity oils and other oils with anti wear additives to see how they do
03:20 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, on those inputs does one leg need to be GND?
03:20 PM Tom_L: ie opto isolated with + to the switch and - to GND
03:21 PM JT-Shop: for + inputs common needs to be tied to -
03:21 PM Tom_L: using IN0
03:21 PM Tom_L: requires 2 wires?
03:22 PM Tom_L: oh the COM is for all Inputs?
03:22 PM Tom_L: whichever way they are configured...
03:22 PM JT-Shop: yup only one in common
03:23 PM Tom_L: 12th pin in from the end?
03:23 PM Tom_L: ok
03:23 PM JT-Shop: 12 INPUT COMMON
03:24 PM JT-Shop: hmm Terminal block TB3 is the 7I96Ss isolated I/O connector. This has eleven 5V-24V
03:24 PM JT-Shop: inputs, four isolated high current DC outputs, and two high isolation AC/DC outputs .
03:24 PM JT-Shop: in another place it says 4v
03:24 PM Tom_L: just haven't messed with this board yet
03:25 PM Tom_L: i get how the optos work now but didn't know they were all tied to COMMON
03:25 PM Tom_L: ahh pin one just happens to be on that end :)
03:26 PM Tom_L: ok i think this is right
03:27 PM Tom_L: ok NC switch wired to IN0
03:27 PM Tom_L: did you fix the estop yet?
03:27 PM JT-Shop: yup
03:27 PM Tom_L: k, i'll pull
03:31 PM Tom_L: led lights but doesn't come out of estop on the gui
03:32 PM Tom_L: do you know what those are listed under in hal show?
03:32 PM Tom_L: not gpio
03:33 PM Tom_L: oh i think i found it
03:33 PM Tom_L: nope not that
03:35 PM JT-Cave: check io.hal
03:35 PM Tom_L: the led on the board trips but i can't find it in hal show
03:35 PM Tom_L: says inm but i don't see it there
03:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/halshow_inm.png
03:37 PM Tom_L: right?
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03:39 PM Tom_dev: net remote-estop0 estop-latch.0.fault-in <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-00
03:39 PM Tom_L: doesn't change in halshow
03:40 PM JT-Cave: the input led in halshow does not change when you change the switch state?
03:42 PM Tom_L: estop-latch.0.reset blinks momentarily when i push the gui estop
03:42 PM Tom_L: no the halshow state doesn't change
03:43 PM Tom_L: the external estop switch doesn't change anything
03:43 PM travis_farmer: try changing what it is common to?
03:45 PM Tom_L: something in that chain is holding it in estop
03:49 PM Tom_L: the logic you wrote in io.hal looks the same as mine..
03:49 PM Tom_L: dunno what's going on
03:50 PM JT-Shop: if you have an external e stop input it must be on before you can release the estop in emc
03:50 PM Tom_L: i tried it both ways
03:50 PM Tom_L: nothing
03:51 PM Tom_L: only activity is the led on the 7i96s
03:51 PM JT-Shop: I tested with inverted inputs and the estop in emc worked fine
03:51 PM Tom_L: i wired mine to 5v
03:52 PM Tom_L: but tested it with the switch in both positions
03:52 PM travis_farmer: maybe wrong pin, somehow?
03:52 PM Tom_L: no the led toggles
03:52 PM travis_farmer: wrong pin in hal i meant
03:52 PM Tom_L: ^^ i posted both screenshots
03:53 PM Tom_L: net remote-estop0 estop-latch.0.fault-in <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-00
03:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/halshow_inm.png
03:54 PM travis_farmer: not having a board, i guess i don't know...
03:55 PM Tom_L: these inputs are different than most in that they are opto isolated so the Common goes to either +v or GND depending on the logic you use
03:55 PM Tom_L: but afik it's wired right
03:55 PM travis_farmer: tie it to ground
03:56 PM Tom_L: that would be a direct short
03:56 PM Tom_L: unless i unhooked the switch
03:56 PM travis_farmer: that's what i mean
04:00 PM JT-Cave: hmmm my 7i96s is a proto with reversed input logic IIRC
04:00 PM Tom_L: reversing logic didn't change anything except the other led on IN0 lights now
04:01 PM Tom_L: so +5 to Common and switch to gnd
04:01 PM JT-Cave: well crap found another bug if you uncheck an input invert...
04:01 PM Tom_L: the rest behaves the same
04:01 PM Tom_L: reset momentarily blinks in halshow but that's it
04:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/halshow_estop2.png
04:05 PM Tom_L: the estop-latch.9.reset blinks when i push the gui estop but that's it
04:05 PM Tom_L: nothing else changes state
04:06 PM JT-Cave: hmm works fine here, I have one input inverted and one not and fault in shows the correct value
04:07 PM JT-Cave: reset comes from the emc estop button
04:07 PM JT-Cave: and it's a one shot
04:08 PM JT-Cave: except now I can't get it out of estop on axis...
04:09 PM JT-Cave: oh because the input logic is inverted I had to use regular inputs which are on
04:10 PM JT-Cave: https://imagebin.ca/v/7Wls5yNsCbjW
04:10 PM JT-Cave: what does yours look like?
04:11 PM JT-Cave: and how many external estops did you define?
04:12 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/7i96s_estop.jpg
04:12 PM Tom_L: only one estop defined
04:13 PM Tom_L: all the config files there are current as well
04:14 PM JT-Shop: is the switch on or off?
04:14 PM Tom_L: NC
04:14 PM JT-Shop: do a watch window like I did
04:15 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/halshow_estop2.png
04:16 PM JT-Shop: you have a fault in...
04:17 PM Tom_L: the IN0 pin is connected to that signal
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04:17 PM Tom_dev: net remote-estop0 estop-latch.0.fault-in <= hm2_7i96s.0.inm.00.input-00
04:18 PM travis_farmer: this may be a stupid question, but does the switch work?
04:18 PM Tom_L: duh
04:18 PM travis_farmer: right, the led changes... sorry
04:19 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i sure don't see it..
04:19 PM JT-Shop: let me try a single in a bit
04:19 PM Tom_L: GND is common
04:20 PM Tom_L: +5v to the switch to the IN0 pin
04:22 PM Tom_L: so if i comment out the .input.00 line halshow should show that pin toggling as a gpio right?
04:23 PM JT-Shop: dunno
04:23 PM Tom_L: testing it
04:24 PM Tom_L: yup it toggles fine then
04:24 PM Tom_L: something in the estop code is amiss
04:25 PM JT-Shop: hal code would not change the halshow watch window
04:25 PM Tom_L: i commented out all the estop code in io.hal
04:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/IO0_toggle.mp4
04:30 PM Tom_L: even with the code commented out though, the GUI won't come out of estop
04:30 PM JT-Shop: I found my little switch box
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: Tom, are your logs still working?
04:31 PM Tom_L: yes
04:31 PM JT-Shop: right, you need to build without an external estop input
04:31 PM Tom_L: take the estop out of the config?
04:31 PM Tom_L: on the inputs?
04:31 PM CaptHindsight: ah it was last Friday-Saturday they were down
04:32 PM Tom_L: yeah i'm not always here to catch it
04:32 PM CaptHindsight: plus the IRC-Matrix bridge problems
04:35 PM JT-Cave: if there is an external estop then the internal estop logic is not added
04:35 PM Tom_L: i use both
04:35 PM JT-Cave: both what?
04:36 PM Tom_L: GUI estop and 2 external estop on my mill
04:36 PM Tom_L: not here
04:36 PM CaptHindsight: laundry vernon hills
04:36 PM Tom_L: the parameters.var file is still gettting overwritten
04:37 PM JT-Cave: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/2.0.1/mesact/src/libmesact/buildhal.py#L404
04:37 PM JT-Cave: ok
04:37 PM Tom_L: removing the estop code allows the GUI estop to work
04:37 PM Tom_L: i built without an estop input defined
04:38 PM Tom_L: it _should_ work with both
04:40 PM JT-Cave: I'm not seeing that the parameters.var file is overwritten
04:40 PM JT-Cave: both what?
04:40 PM Tom_L: GUI estop and external estop
04:41 PM Tom_L: i have a button on the control on my mill, one on the pendant and the GUI estop and they all work
04:41 PM JT-Cave: yes if you add an external estop it is connected to the internal estop with the estop-latch component
04:41 PM Tom_L: maybe i missed something but your code looked the same as mine
04:42 PM Tom_L: but i tend to miss more things nowdays
04:42 PM Tom_L: mine may have gone thru an 'or' component.. i'd have to check again
04:42 PM JT-Cave: if you just comment out the estop-latch code then the internal estop will not work
04:43 PM Tom_L: it did :)
04:43 PM Tom_L: then i removed it with mesact
04:43 PM JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
04:44 PM JT-Cave: internal estop can't work without the code in that link to buildhal.py
04:46 PM Tom_L: is that the same as what you write to io.hal when estop is selected?
04:46 PM Tom_L: it looks like it
04:48 PM JT-Cave: no, the code in io.hal is different it uses the estop-latch component to make the connections with the internal estop
04:49 PM Tom_L: i'm using the estop-latch in my mill code
04:49 PM * JT-Cave needs to go find a wago connector
04:53 PM JT-Shop: but first time to pop the top on a Weihenstephaner
04:53 PM Tom_L: i'm a bit confused with the estop stuff
04:54 PM Tom_L: i think i'll save it for another day
04:54 PM JT-Shop: what cornfuses you the most?
04:54 PM * roycroft is cooling off in his office with the a/c on and is enjoying a two berry dream cider
04:54 PM XXCoder: thats the real benefit, free ac ;)
04:54 PM Tom_L: i'll compare the mesact code with mine to see what is different
04:55 PM roycroft: i paid a bunch of money today to go to the drive-through car wash because it is too hot to stand outside and wash it
05:00 PM Tom_L: what'd you do.. take it to a detail shop?
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: sounds like white person's problems :)
05:05 PM roycroft: i did exactly what i said - i went to a drive-through car wash
05:05 PM roycroft: and sat in my vehicle while it was being washed
05:08 PM Tom_L: but that shouldn't be a "bunch" of money
05:08 PM Tom_L: compared to some of your other purchases i've heard about
05:10 PM XXCoder: car wash costs a lot more than home wash
05:10 PM Tom_L: i've reached the point i don't drag the hose out anymore
05:10 PM XXCoder: infinitely so ;)
05:10 PM Tom_L: my labor is worth something
05:10 PM XXCoder: me, im too weak to, so I just go to carwash once a year
05:10 PM XXCoder: all out on wax etc so it lasts very well indeed.
05:11 PM JT-Shop: I washed the C8 at the $2 car wash and it promptly started to rain before I was 1/2 mile away
05:11 PM Tom_L: heh
05:11 PM XXCoder: lol
05:12 PM XXCoder: honestly I dont care about dirt, but want to protect paint
05:12 PM XXCoder: so I just do annual all in carwash
05:12 PM Tom_L: there have been quite a few drive thru car washes pop up around here lately
05:12 PM JT-Shop: we drove though some really heavy rain yesterday morning
05:12 PM Tom_L: not really sure why
05:12 PM JT-Shop: for the Honda's I pay monthly
05:12 PM Tom_L: i could take the honda in for free but usually don't
05:13 PM Tom_L: during covid they shut that service down
05:13 PM JT-Shop: so for the price of two car washes I can go every day
05:13 PM CaptHindsight: modern urethanes are pretty tough, I'd only worry about sand or wet concrete getting on the clear coat
05:13 PM XXCoder: or ashes, capt
05:13 PM JT-Shop: and yea honda wash is free but it's 90 miles away so not so handy
05:13 PM roycroft: it's also nice to be able to see out all of the windows
05:13 PM XXCoder: this year seem to have skipped the smokey hellscope season but yeah ashes is bad for paint
05:13 PM Tom_L: i did mine recently because i went down a dirt road they'd just chemically treated to harden the road
05:14 PM roycroft: the year is far from over
05:14 PM XXCoder: roy indeed
05:14 PM roycroft: there's plenty of time for heavy smoke and ashes
05:14 PM roycroft: fire season doesn't end util november any more
05:15 PM Tom_L: i'd never heard of that road treatment before that
05:15 PM JT-Shop: I wish they would do that here
05:16 PM Tom_L: the guy suggested i get it out of the wheel wells before it hardened
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: assfault or concrete road?
05:16 PM Tom_L: dirt
05:16 PM Tom_L: sand
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: hardener for dirt?
05:16 PM Tom_L: aparently
05:16 PM Tom_L: looked like a big water truck
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: glue
05:16 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:16 PM Tom_L: so i just figured they were settling the dust
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: did you notice an odor?
05:17 PM Tom_L: i can't smell much anymore
05:17 PM Tom_L: so no
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: lucky you
05:17 PM Tom_L: sometimes yes
05:17 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: be glad you can smell lol
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: might sense of smell has been recently heightened
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: i was in a cooler with 100lbs of spoiling chicken yesterday
05:19 PM Tom_L: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/clas/pdfs/UnpavedRoadChemicalTreatmentsStateofthePracticeSurvey.pdf
05:19 PM Tom_L: dunno if that covers it or not
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: was like Dresden in '45 (imagining)
05:19 PM Tom_L: just a random link
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: they likely use a non-polar adhesive
05:20 PM Tom_L: Phenol-formaldehyde resin and urea-formaldehyde resin methods to consolidate sand formation. Urea-formaldehyde, potassium silicate and ammonium chloride.
05:20 PM Tom_L: sounds yummy
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: urea-formaldehyde resin, yeah cheap and doesn't dissolve well in water
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: I know that you have been gone for a while but, can you tell the difference? https://goo.gl/maps/fLYYLjCCURsTHTR88 vs https://goo.gl/maps/P6Cyhjmm4uEHKxh27
05:35 PM roycroft: they look similar, other than the geographic offset
05:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, yeah i'm using an "or" component with my estop
05:40 PM Tom_L: maybe that's the difference
05:40 PM JT-Shop: what is the or for?
05:40 PM Tom_L: i'm still looking
05:40 PM Tom_L: just sat down to take another look
05:41 PM Rhine_Labs: Ugggg
05:41 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:42 PM Tom_dev: JT-Shop, http://paste.debian.net/1288842/
05:42 PM Tom_L: 2 external IO for the front pannel & pendant
05:44 PM Tom_L: so that or gate goes to the fault-in
05:44 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to compare that with the old post on external estop and what mesact generates in the am
05:45 PM Tom_L: yeah me too but my brain needs a rest right now
05:45 PM JT-Shop: I use two estop-latch instead of or
05:45 PM Tom_L: hmm
05:46 PM Tom_L: all 3 sources, GUI, pendant and hard-estop button work here
05:48 PM Tom_L: i'm not quite sure what i'm doing with .029.out
05:49 PM Tom_L: possibly a vfd relay
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: keep Eugene looking like Eugene
06:07 PM roycroft: that's not possible at this point - we're looking more like southern oregon all the time, with the climate change happening
06:08 PM roycroft: it's 39 right now, and i have to go back outside
06:08 PM robotustra: is there any mesa 7i76 wiring diagram?
06:09 PM robotustra: for stepper motors and limit switches
06:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, yeah .029.out goes to a relay
06:11 PM Tom_L: for the drive enables
06:12 PM XXCoder: lately been meh on make it extreme channel
06:15 PM XXCoder: machining part is mostly great
06:16 PM XXCoder: threads full of chatter, and milling was really rough before they cleaned it up for some reason
06:17 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/ONURyZifrdw
06:19 PM XXCoder: am I wrong or is making hole on tank seam bad?
06:26 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, the only difference i see is the or component for 2 external inputs to the estop-latch.0.fault-in
06:27 PM Tom_L: so i really don't see why it doesn't work
06:27 PM Tom_L: mine are on the 7i90 with no opto inputs
06:29 PM Tom_L: and the extra out to the relay
06:34 PM Tom_L: ok i just rebuilt it and the logic is backwards on the switch but it does work and allows the GUI estop to also work
06:34 PM Tom_L: dunno what was going on
06:37 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, the Thread period is not being read back into mesact after a save
06:38 PM Tom_L: it saves it but doesn't reload it after a save
07:00 PM robotustra: what is the latest stable version of lcnc is recommended for install?
07:00 PM Tom_L: 2.8.4 i think
07:00 PM robotustra: ok
07:00 PM Tom_L: a few are using 2.9
07:01 PM Tom_L: if you're running bookworm you can install it from synaptic package manager now
07:01 PM robotustra: is there an live cd?
07:01 PM Tom_L: not that i'm aware of
07:01 PM Tom_L: i haven't seen one of those in a while
07:01 PM Tom_L: but i haven't been actively looking either
07:02 PM robotustra: I would like to try linux cnc on old laptop with hardware LPT port :)
07:02 PM Tom_L: i've been testing with 2.9
07:03 PM Tom_L: try wheezy with rtai
07:03 PM robotustra: try to attach it to my lathe
07:03 PM Tom_L: i'm using that on my mill still
07:03 PM Tom_L: it may have had a live cd.. i honestly don't remember now
07:03 PM robotustra: is it for 32 bit machines?
07:03 PM robotustra: or 64
07:04 PM Tom_L: iirc it's 32bit
07:05 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
07:05 PM Tom_L: there's a 2.8.4 iso there
07:06 PM Tom_L: looks like it might be buster (debian 10)
07:08 PM robotustra: downloading already
07:09 PM robotustra: wander if I can boot my laptop from usb
08:00 PM robotustra: is there any rt patches for x86 linux kernel?
08:00 PM Tom_L: 4.xx kernel?
08:01 PM Tom_L: for rtai or preempt-rt?
08:04 PM robotustra: I want to inslatt deb 12 first ant put lcnc on top of it
08:04 PM Unterhaus__ is now known as Unterhausen
08:05 PM robotustra: do I need rtai or preempt-rt for that?
08:05 PM robotustra: the machine is x86
08:05 PM Tom_L: so install debian 12 and then use pakage manager to update the kernel with preempt-rt 6.xx then also use package manager to install linuxcnc
08:05 PM Tom_L: in 12 both are there
08:05 PM Tom_L: not in 11
08:06 PM robotustra: ok, thanks
08:07 PM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
08:07 PM Tom_L: may help a bi
08:07 PM Tom_L: bit
08:09 PM robotustra: oh, there is a deb 13 already?
08:09 PM Tom_L: don't think it's a release yet
08:09 PM Tom_L: there's probably a 14 too
08:09 PM robotustra: ok, go with deb12
08:20 PM roycroft: it only got to 39 today
08:20 PM roycroft: we were spared 40 degrees
08:21 PM Tom_L: aarg. user forgot their win10 password and the laptop has no admin act
08:24 PM roycroft: i think there are ways around that, but i think they're not fun
08:25 PM * roycroft thinks prevention is the best strategy, but one that is almost never deployed
08:28 PM Unterhausen: you used to be able to boot a win system with linux and delete a file. Good old days
08:35 PM Tom_L: i'll get it just really didn't wanna mess with it
09:03 PM roycroft: i don't think anybody does
09:03 PM roycroft: that is not fun work no matter who you are
09:11 PM robotustra: I just resized winxp C disk with ntfs using some ubuntu live cd
09:11 PM robotustra: with gparted
09:11 PM robotustra: ubuntu was like 10.something
09:13 PM robotustra: now I have to burn deb12 iso to cd-r to boot it on my old machine because it has no idea how to boot from usb
09:41 PM XXCoder: interesting guy video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6vYL6zKIw
10:30 PM robotustra: if I'm not going to use mesa card with deb12 - do I need to upgrade kernel to rpreempt-rt?
10:33 PM roycroft: it's finally cooler outside (32) than inside (34)
10:33 PM roycroft: so i guess it's time to open up the windows and start moving outside air in
10:34 PM roycroft: i'm a little grumpy, but my cat who is part maine coon is absoutely miserable
10:48 PM turboss: Hello
10:50 PM roycroft: ehlo, preased to meet you
11:04 PM roycroft: awesome clickspring today
11:04 PM roycroft: he's showing off his jewelrymaking skills now
11:22 PM XXCoder: the torch?
11:39 PM roycroft: investment casting
11:39 PM roycroft: er, lost resin vacuum casting
11:39 PM XXCoder: yeah talking about same video, though I probably used wrong word for that thing
11:45 PM roycroft: so i parked my pickup in my back yard, underneath some cedar trees, so that i won't get burned when i climb in and touch the steering wheel tomorrow
11:46 PM XXCoder: if I had money I'd make solar panels covered park area