#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 18 2023

01:10 AM Deejay: moin
03:04 AM travis_farmer[m4: Morning ☕️ finished setting up my new WiFi router, and getting my server back online... what a royal PITA. the old router was dying though. WiFi radios kept dying out, causing many dropouts
04:05 AM Tom_L: morning
04:25 AM fdarling: I may have asked a similar question before, but does anyone here know anyone who works with alignment telescopes? I have a Taylor Hobson Micro Alignment Telescope, and I recently 3D printed a lamphouse for it that unlocks its autocollimator capabilities (fun!) However, I have some general questions about how to do precision alignments over long distances... they claim it can do 50-75 microns at 30M which is around 3
04:25 AM fdarling: thou at ~90ft
04:27 AM fdarling: based off the thickness of the reticle, and the field of view/zoom, I am skeptical of this. I don't understand how you could possibly get that precise at that distance, because the target would be tiny. Is there some trick to it? Special targets? Special use of the X/Y displacement measurement micrometers?
04:44 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:50 AM fdarling: good morning
05:53 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
06:30 AM travis_farmer[m4: JT, what do you use to automate your chickens, if at all? the more i use Home Assistant, the more i think of your chickens. you could open the door, control the lights and heaters (when needed), monitor temps/humidity... depending on how well you are with Arduino or ESP32 (or anything else that can use MQTT).
06:32 AM Tom_L: 102°F today 110°F heat index
06:32 AM travis_farmer[m4: sounds a little warm...
06:33 AM travis_farmer[m4: 67F/84F @ 98%rh (afternoon T-Storms)
06:33 AM XXCoder: not as bad one state that had hit 150f heat index
06:34 AM travis_farmer[m4: dang, sounds like an oven...
06:38 AM JT-Cave: I've played with all the arduino's and esp32's and the Rpi is the most stable of them all so it controls chicken coops
06:39 AM JT-Cave: 150F heat index sounds impossible but I don't live there
06:39 AM XXCoder: I certainly would have gotten outside at all
06:39 AM XXCoder: *not
06:39 AM travis_farmer[m4: fair enough, just thought it would help :-)
06:40 AM JT-Cave: thanks for the thought
06:40 AM travis_farmer[m4: :-)
06:57 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, I'm thinking I'm getting close to moving mesact2 to mesact and thinking of just making a repo of mesact1 for the old code storage
07:21 AM Tom_L: ok, just lemme know when you do
07:21 AM Tom_L: will that interfere with the bookworm repo?
07:26 AM JT-Cave: is it in bookworm now?
07:26 AM JT-Cave: I don't think so it's basically a huge update
07:27 AM Tom_L: yes
07:28 AM JT-Cave: all I can find is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1027457
07:28 AM Tom_L: with that in mind you should be able to read in a 1.xx config
07:28 AM Tom_L: search mesact in synaptic package manager
07:29 AM JT-Cave: I'm running debian 12 here but don
07:29 AM JT-Cave: 't see mesact
07:30 AM Tom_L: i don't have time now to look but i'm almost sure i saw it there
07:30 AM Tom_L: i know mesaflash is now
07:30 AM Tom_L: i'll look again when i get back
07:30 AM JT-Cave: yup mesaflash has been in debian since emc
07:30 AM Tom_L: later
07:31 AM JT-Cave: ok
07:31 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
07:32 AM travis_farmer[m4: i just searched on bookworm, on my server. mesaflash is there, but no mesact on the standard repo
07:32 AM travis_farmer[m4: i think it come in with the linuxcnc repo, IIRC
07:34 AM travis_farmer[m4: though, linuxcnc comes with the standard repo...
08:08 AM JT-Cave: I don't think it ever got submitted as it does not show up in https://tracker.debian.org/
08:34 AM pere: JT-Cave: what is not showing up? <URL:https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linuxcnc >?
08:39 AM bjorkint0sh: JT-Cave, I ordered a Click Plus to play with. It has a few extra things but it's basically like the click.
08:39 AM bjorkint0sh: can you recommend a good book or resource on ladder logic?
08:39 AM bjorkint0sh: or better yet, PLCs?
08:40 AM bjorkint0sh: I got this one: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/click_plus_plcs_(stackable_micro_modular)/cpus/c2-03cpu
08:45 AM bjorkint0sh: it has a separate input/output card.
09:05 AM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, I don't know any books but if you have the software installed I'll get you going
09:06 AM JT-Shop: you can start programming as soon as you get the software installed...
09:06 AM bjorkint0sh: ah okay. downloading it now.
09:09 AM JT-Shop: your first challenge is to write a program that does nothing but will compile (F8) without errors or warnings
09:09 AM bjorkint0sh: |----()-| ?
09:10 AM JT-Shop: when you get that pastebin the file
09:11 AM JT-Shop: actually you might have to zip the file and upload it somewhere
09:12 AM bjorkint0sh: okay. give me a sec while I install the program.
09:16 AM JT-Shop: actually for that one you can just take a screen shot and upload that
09:17 AM bjorkint0sh: okay
09:41 AM bjorkint0sh: alright.
09:41 AM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, https://imgur.com/a/fPByPk5
09:41 AM bjorkint0sh: is that close?
09:58 AM Scopeuk: now there is an interface I haven't seen since I was a student
10:00 AM bjorkint0sh: heh. it's the latest one Scopeuk.
10:04 AM Scopeuk: there are definitely some changes mqtt etc. looks very similar to what I used in labs 15 years ago
10:06 AM bjorkint0sh: ladder logic is old.
10:06 AM bjorkint0sh: slightly younger than dirt, but still old.
10:06 AM roycroft: so about my age?
10:07 AM bjorkint0sh: as long as you're slightly younger than dirt, roycroft!
10:07 AM bjorkint0sh: absolutely.
10:08 AM * roycroft thinks he is, but has never carded dirt before
10:09 AM bjorkint0sh: dirt is older than carding! that's how old dirt is.
10:15 AM Scopeuk: ladder logic is derived from building literal ladders with relays to do this stuff and is as old as electrical automation. the interface is kept so that some people that retired 50 years ago are still comfortable with it
10:18 AM bjorkint0sh: hah. what's a better alternative, Scopeuk?
10:25 AM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, yes that is correct, you must have and END statement
10:26 AM JT-Shop: now make a circuit that latches in with input 1 and unlatches with input 2
10:38 AM Scopeuk: bjorkint0sh these days usually something free form block layout, the classic examples being labview or Simulink or code. ladder logic unequivocally works however and is probably easier to teach a non programmer
10:48 AM bjorkint0sh: Scopeuk, but do simulink or labview work on PLCs?
10:49 AM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, alright. same link. I don't think I understood the terms completely but I interpreted it as best as I could.
10:49 AM bjorkint0sh: https://imgur.com/a/fPByPk5
10:51 AM Rab: LabVIEW can communicate with PLCs, and NI has controllers they would no doubt be happy to sell as PLCs.
10:54 AM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, I should have been more explicit no set or rst :)
10:54 AM bjorkint0sh: would that work though?
10:56 AM Scopeuk: bjorkint0sh they are probably not the solution to the issue you have in hand
10:57 AM JT-Shop: yes, but set/rst can bite you
10:58 AM JT-Shop: so it's one rung not counting the end statement
11:08 AM bjorkint0sh: ah okay
11:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I didn't ask
11:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and i didn't mention flip flops either, I politely left
11:23 AM JT-Shop: latching relays have there place just like other relays
11:24 AM JT-Shop: well my trip to Farmington is cut short by severe wx there
11:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: this was at the worlds 3rd largest contract manufacturer at a medial device devision
11:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: how do you help these people?
11:26 AM JT-Shop: so don't use latching relays in medical devices...
11:27 AM * JT-Shop goes to take a nap...
11:27 AM Scopeuk: the bigger they are the harder the outside of their bubble
11:27 AM Scopeuk: "we've always done it this way" usually followed by "and it's always been fine"
11:28 AM JT-Shop: lol
11:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I had two electronic engineers get mad at me yesterday at a different co for knowing too much
11:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: they drew crappy incomplete schematics and I purposely interpreted them they way they did not intent, usually completely backwards
11:30 AM CaptHindsight[m]: intent/intend, it was the real life version of #electronics
11:31 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so now we know why so many products just almost work
11:36 AM bjorkint0sh: dammit JT-Shop. I have a solution but I don't know the click interface well, so now I
11:36 AM bjorkint0sh: I'm scratching my head trying to figure it out.
11:45 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://instrumentationtools.com/plc-latching-function/
11:48 AM bjorkint0sh: yeah I saw the same thing. I can't seem to connect two rails in click yet.
11:48 AM bjorkint0sh: it just suspends it in mid air without joining the next rail.
11:50 AM CaptHindsight[m]: GUI problems
11:51 AM CaptHindsight[m]: bjorkint0sh: maybe one of their videos has some of the finer points of navigating their GUI
11:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: bjorkint0sh: https://www.automationdirect.com/programmable-logic-controllers/plc-training
11:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: can't be any worse than this GUI https://www.falstad.com/circuit/
11:56 AM bjorkint0sh: CaptHindsight[m], between keyboard and seat problems. I'm checking out the video, thank you.
11:57 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it might only be intuitive to those with two left thumbs
12:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, maybe it's because i have it installed? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/mesact_in_packagemanager.png
12:10 PM Unterhausen: solidworks is making it really difficult to add a plane
12:11 PM Tom_L: still struggling?
12:14 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], LTspice trivially demonstrates a far worse GUI than Falstad.
12:14 PM roycroft: you should ask tattoo for help
12:14 PM roycroft: he can shout "de plane! de plane!" for you
12:17 PM roycroft: but seriously, you can't insert a plane when in sketch mode, as far as i know
12:17 PM roycroft: exit your sketch, go to features mode, and then insert->reference geometry->plane
12:19 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, yup
12:19 PM Tom_L: just happened to think of that later
12:21 PM Unterhausen: wow, just changed a global variable and all my reference geometry disappeared
12:22 PM Unterhausen: disappeared from the tree, seems like a bug
12:24 PM JT-Cave: bjorkint0sh, is this where you're stuck? https://youtu.be/muAy1mYDaHs?t=176
12:24 PM roycroft: autumn happens
12:25 PM * roycroft hopes unterhausen is saving and backing up often
12:25 PM Unterhausen: probably should have, I just realized I undid the creation of my reference geometry. Oops
12:25 PM Tom_L: from the sounds of things it might be good if he had to start over
12:26 PM JT-Cave: looks like I'm not going anywhere today
12:26 PM JT-Cave: https://radar.weather.gov/station/kpah/standard
12:26 PM Tom_L: aww
12:27 PM Tom_L: you can come over here, sunny and hot
12:27 PM JT-Cave: no thanks, I'll just stay put here
12:28 PM JT-Cave: Saturday still looks good for the trip to Williamsburg Mo
12:29 PM Unterhausen: so far, I think starting over probably isn't necessary.
12:29 PM Tom_L: looks like ladder would be fun to learn but i've nothing really to use it on
12:29 PM Unterhausen: however, I might drive myself to drink in the next step
12:33 PM JT-Cave: classicladder
12:34 PM roycroft: while sw is better integrated than freecad, one can think if it as a collection of workbenches - sketch, feature, assembly, and render being the main ones - and many operations are only available within a single "workbench"
12:35 PM roycroft: i think figuring out what mode i had to be in to perform an operation was one of the hardest parts of my sw learning curve
12:36 PM * roycroft just got a lovely box of burl veneer scraps delivered by fedex
12:36 PM roycroft: they are very nice
12:37 PM roycroft: but yesterday i got a trailer dolly from hf, and made the mistake of putting the packing materials in a trash can in my shop, instead of taking them directly out to the main trash can
12:37 PM roycroft: when i brought my burl scraps into the shop just now my whole shop smelled like china
12:37 PM roycroft: i'll have to move that packing material and air out the shop at lunch time
12:38 PM Unterhausen: my problem was that you can't use a global variable to define reference geometry. Had to make a sketch visible outside the sketch editor and then make an axis coincident to a construction line
12:39 PM roycroft: hmm
12:39 PM Unterhausen: then used that axis to define a plane. Still not sure if it does what I want, it broke when I tested it
12:41 PM * JT-Cave somewhat wonders what Unterhausen is doing...
12:41 PM roycroft: i think "struggling" is what he's doing
12:43 PM JT-Cave: I kinda gathered that...
12:44 PM Unterhausen: I'm making something to be 3d printed in metal. It isn't just simple geometry. I'm pretty good with simple things
12:45 PM JT-Cave: got a screen shot?
12:48 PM * unterhausen0[m] uploaded an image: (238KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/oSKRuQAsiXEgrXgRMLHPfFLh/dtlug.png >
12:48 PM unterhausen0[m]: has to actually fit over a tapered tube
12:49 PM unterhausen0[m]: still working on the profile
12:49 PM Unterhausen: and sw is demanding that I learn advanced techniques to add a fillet
12:52 PM JT-Cave: that's an interesting part for sure
12:53 PM Unterhausen: you can either have it printed for $20 or spend thousands for tooling for lost wax casting
12:56 PM roycroft: my experience has been that fillets work better and are easier to add to features, not sketches
12:56 PM roycroft: if that helps at all
01:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAD calls it a fillet, but it's not pronounced like a fish fillet
01:00 PM Unterhausen: I suppose you could add a fillet at the sketch if it was a lot simpler than this part
01:00 PM Unterhausen: fillet is a term outside of fishes and cad
01:02 PM JT-Cave: the three vertical component are not joined for some reason?
01:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Unterhausen: https://youtu.be/XZRh-exDU5g
01:05 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Cave, yes! that makes more sense.
01:05 PM bjorkint0sh: I thought each rail had a unique row number.
01:05 PM JT-Cave: great
01:06 PM bjorkint0sh: thank you. I paused to upgrade the ram on the windows machine. I should be done with it shortly and I'll complete the task.
01:06 PM JT-Cave: this is why you have to learn the fundamentals step by step
01:07 PM bjorkint0sh: makes a good deal of sense.
01:08 PM Unterhausen: Cap'n, $20 is more cheaper
01:09 PM JT-Cave: looks like the rain has let up... heading to the machine shop
01:15 PM roycroft: like "fillet up" when you are fueling your car?
01:16 PM roycroft: i guess people outside new jersey and oregon won't get that
01:17 PM roycroft: except them that like to talk to themselves
01:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAD "fill it", fish "fill aye"
01:21 PM Unterhausen: Has self serve made it into the wild in Oregon yet?
01:21 PM Unterhausen: I thought they just made it legal recently
01:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: am I just going deaf or are more people mumbling lately?
01:27 PM JT-Shop: it's you
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-23328037
01:32 PM Unterhausen: I've been watching French movies. Talk about mumbling, it's the national pastime of France
01:32 PM roycroft: your *mumble* *mumble* of *mumble*berries!
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Unterhausen: older films or more recent?
01:34 PM Unterhausen: fairly recent
01:35 PM Unterhausen: I think the last 2 I watched were released in 2020 and 2022
01:37 PM Unterhausen: they drop a lot of syllables nowadays, but generally I don't have a lot of problems with that
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I went through different French film phases, war, romcom's, etc. I try to catch any now that have good reviews
01:56 PM Unterhausen: Netflix got rid of "a very secret service" while I was in the middle of watching it
01:56 PM bjorkint0sh: they're trying to persuade you to pirate it.
01:56 PM Unterhausen: it's not streaming anywhere
01:59 PM Tom_L: fillets should be added at the solids level, not the sketch
02:00 PM JT-Shop: interesting pattern https://radar.weather.gov/station/KPAH/standard
02:00 PM Tom_L: interesting because it's headed away from me
02:01 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:01 PM Tom_L: Unterhausen, i wouldn't think it would be that hard to create an angular offset plane there
02:01 PM Unterhausen: I don't know where anyone got the idea I'm making fillets at the sketch level
02:02 PM Unterhausen: the problem is I want a global variable to change the angle, it seems like using a global variable isn't supported there
02:04 PM Unterhausen: making it coincident with the sketch construction line seems to work, then the plane moves when the global variable (angle) changes
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Unterhausen: which CAD is this? just curious
02:05 PM Unterhausen: solidworks
02:05 PM Tom_L: not sure i've done that in sw but it's pretty easy in catia which should be similar
02:06 PM Unterhausen: I don't see why they wouldn't allow you to do it, crazy french people have their own ideas
02:06 PM Tom_L: both of these use offset angular planes: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/x_problem12.jpg
02:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/Problem52.jpg
02:07 PM Unterhausen: maybe I wasn't mumbling properly
02:08 PM Unterhausen: it's easy enough to have a plane at an angle in SW, just can't set the angle with a global variable
02:09 PM roguish[m]: Unterhausen: global variable? for a part or an assembly ?
02:10 PM Unterhausen: part
02:10 PM roguish[m]: create a parameter for the part, use it in the dimension. done.
02:10 PM Unterhausen: I use the same dimensions across many sketches
02:11 PM Unterhausen: if only it was so easy
02:11 PM Unterhausen: I am done, I guess some people don't like the way I did it. I think it's robust enough for this part
02:11 PM roguish[m]: each sketch dimension has a unique identifier. if you set each one to the part parameter, it's done.
02:12 PM Unterhausen: does solidworks have parameters?
02:12 PM Unterhausen: or are they perhaps called global variables?
02:13 PM Tom_L: it should
02:13 PM Unterhausen: I see there is something called parameters
02:13 PM roguish[m]: hang a sec. firing up the workstation.....
02:15 PM Unterhausen: you can base a parameter on a global variable. I don't think it lets you move planes around based on that
02:16 PM JT-Shop: I would assume it depends on how the planes are defined I "think"
02:16 PM * JT-Shop has not done that in years
02:16 PM Tom_L: yeah it's been a day or two at least for me
02:17 PM Unterhausen: my plane is defined by a construction line in a sketch. I don't have to remember that later, just change the global variable
02:18 PM Unterhausen: it would be nice if it was defined more cleanly
02:18 PM roguish[m]: Unterhausen: with a part file open, go to File, Properties, select the custom tab
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02:20 PM roguish[m]: see the last 3 in the table. width, height, thickness
02:20 PM Unterhausen: okay
02:20 PM Unterhausen: those are parameters?
02:21 PM roguish[m]: yes.
02:21 PM Unterhausen: might be useful, but the fundamental problem I had was defining a reference geometry, which doesn't seem to take things like that as a dimension
02:22 PM Unterhausen: I'll name a parameter and try to enter that
02:23 PM roguish[m]: if there is a variable, like the distance between parallel planes, it can be reference to one of those parameters.
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02:26 PM Unterhausen: the angle block only takes numbers
02:27 PM roguish[m]: when you create the parameter, you must specify whether it's a text, date, number, or yes/no
02:32 PM Unterhausen: still won't take it in the angle block of the reference geometery
02:34 PM Unterhausen: I didn't think it would, because it wouldn't take a global variable, but I suppose it's worth a try
02:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: do people pronounce it Cat EE uh or Kay shuh?
02:39 PM Tom_L: Cat Tee uhh
02:39 PM Tom_L: or your first suggestion
02:44 PM Unterhausen: I'm going to call it kaysha from now on
02:45 PM Tom_L: you can call it whatever you like
02:45 PM Unterhausen: at least around catia snobs
02:46 PM Tom_L: heh
02:46 PM Tom_L: i'll have you know i did all the catia problems for class in SW as well
02:46 PM roguish[m]: Unterhausen: put an arbitrary number in when you define it, then click on the plane to get the dimension (angle) to show, then double clicky on the dimension. whtn you get the Modify to show, in the number spot start with an '=' and the selection wlll show
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02:47 PM * Tom_L hifives roguish[m]
02:47 PM roguish[m]: and select 'file properties' and then select your custom parameter
02:48 PM roguish[m]: I use this shit all the time.
02:48 PM Unterhausen: starting to think that roguish is French
02:48 PM Tom_L: i bet we're one of the smartest channels on irc
02:48 PM roguish[m]: Unterhausen: WASP here
02:48 PM Unterhausen: right, Saxon
02:49 PM Unterhausen: my Saxon relatives moved to france for many generations
02:49 PM Unterhausen: that branch of the family is named "looter"
02:49 PM Tom_L: Unterhausen, how do you define the tubes?
02:49 PM Tom_L: there are several ways
02:50 PM Unterhausen: diameter
02:50 PM Tom_L: then thickness?
02:50 PM Tom_L: wall thickness
02:50 PM roguish[m]: I have an ancient relative who was sheriff of Knotingham
02:50 PM Unterhausen: thickness of this part
02:50 PM Tom_L: or 2 diameters and an extrude
02:50 PM Unterhausen: I did a rotary cut
02:50 PM Tom_L: that was the next one...
02:51 PM Unterhausen: rotary extrude of the OD, which is tube dia + thickness
02:51 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:51 PM Unterhausen: the tubes are not shown in my part
02:51 PM travis_farmer[m4: i read that as a "rotary cat", and i was very confused...
02:51 PM Tom_L: catia could unwrap that shape and give you a sheetmetal part
02:52 PM Unterhausen: they used to make these from sheet metal
02:52 PM Unterhausen: SW might be able to unwrap it, but my experience is that it would crash
02:52 PM roguish[m]: unwrapping is handy. I think SW can do it, but I'm not sure how.
02:52 PM roycroft: solidworks can do that if you have the sheet metal license
02:53 PM Unterhausen: sheet metal toolbox does it
02:53 PM Unterhausen: might not be too happy about the sharp intersections
02:53 PM travis_farmer[m4: i think Fusion 360 can too
02:53 PM roycroft: i've done some stuff like that, but not much
02:53 PM Tom_L: the tool i'm thinking of wasn't for sheetmetal however there is a sheetmetal toolbox in catia
02:53 PM Tom_L: this would unwrap any surface
02:54 PM Unterhausen: I think the sw sheetmetal toolbox is based on some fairly fixed ideas about sheet metal
02:54 PM Tom_L: i was told at the time it was a $14k option
02:54 PM Unterhausen: I feel like any solid modeler would have trouble with sharp transitions
02:54 PM Tom_L: who knows the truth
02:54 PM Unterhausen: my SW cost me $20, veterans discount
02:55 PM Unterhausen: not sure why a french company would care, maybe a GI married the cousin they all wanted to get rid of after wwII
02:57 PM roycroft: the sw sheet metal toolbox allows for custom bend radii, iirc
02:57 PM Unterhausen: I designed a part in sw sheet metal and checked to see if sendcutsend would cut and bend it, and they would
02:58 PM Unterhausen: then I promptly deleted it and SCS cried
02:58 PM OneMyr: hello there
02:58 PM Tom_L: can't find the example now
02:59 PM Unterhausen: roguish, now tell me how to fillet that curved interface between the two cylinders
03:00 PM Tom_L: select the edge
03:00 PM Tom_L: intersect
03:00 PM Unterhausen: bzzt
03:00 PM Tom_L: or select the 2 surfaces
03:00 PM roguish[m]: what tom said
03:00 PM Tom_L: you will get 2 different results
03:01 PM OneMyr: do anyone here uses remora for linux cnc, i am having some issues, i would like to ask for some help
03:02 PM roguish[m]: Unterhausen: it's not always super clear. sometimes you have to try several methods to get yours correct. same with ProEngineer (now Creo)
03:02 PM Unterhausen: face fillet actually worked
03:02 PM Tom_L: i found on some parts HOW you select the intersects makes a big difference too
03:02 PM Tom_L: the order matters
03:02 PM roguish[m]: yup
03:02 PM Tom_L: not in this case.. there are just
03:03 PM Tom_L: two
03:05 PM Unterhausen: It's a little funny at one of the tapered transitions, but I have files
03:05 PM roycroft: i ordered an openscad book that looks like it will be useful, and it is out for delivery
03:06 PM Tom_L: do a multi radius fillet
03:06 PM Tom_L: well, maybe you can't on that aprt
03:06 PM roycroft: since openscad generates svg files that my shaper origin likes, i've decided to put some energy into learning how to use it efficiently
03:06 PM roycroft: i hope that some day there's an origin plugin for sw
03:06 PM roycroft: that would be sweet
03:07 PM Unterhausen: the "will it fillet" guy covered fixing this transition problem, but he did it all so fast I have no idea what he was talking about
03:07 PM Tom_L: found while brousing http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/sign.jpg
03:08 PM * roycroft wonders if that guy is from india, as a lot of sw videos are made by folks from india, and they all talk really fast
03:09 PM Unterhausen: well, he has a very American accent
03:09 PM Unterhausen: mostly his videos serve to make me feel inadequate
03:10 PM roycroft: yeah, i just found that video
03:10 PM roycroft: it is a fairly standard american accent
03:10 PM roycroft: but he does talk fast
03:10 PM Unterhausen: it's not so much how fast he talks, but how fast he clicks around in SW
03:11 PM Unterhausen: like in 1 minute there might be 10 different things I have to look up a more elementary video for
03:12 PM Tom_L: how long have you used sw?
03:12 PM roycroft: he's canadian
03:12 PM roycroft: so he's talking REALLY fast for a canadian
03:12 PM roycroft: and he hasn't said 'sorry' once yet
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: report him to the council on civility
03:15 PM roycroft: his employer is based in illinois
03:15 PM roycroft: so some of his canadianisms may be verboten
03:25 PM Unterhausen: I think I might hear a slight Canadian accent
03:25 PM Unterhausen: probably from Ontario
03:27 PM Unterhausen: the students that were really snobbish about cad had used NX
03:27 PM Unterhausen: not sure how I could mispronounce that
03:29 PM Unterhausen: French would say "n -icks"
03:29 PM Unterhausen: disappointing
03:31 PM Unterhausen: we ignored OneMyr until he quit
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh are there any CAD apps besides NX?
03:32 PM Unterhausen: you mean n-icks?
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nnnnn-icks
03:32 PM Unterhausen: cakeslob is going to be disappointed with us for not helping them
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: which them?
03:33 PM Unterhausen: OneMyr asked about remora
03:33 PM Tom_L: those them
03:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: OneMyr: ask on the forums
03:33 PM Unterhausen: we ignored them until they left
03:34 PM Unterhausen: they made the mistake of asking if they could ask a question, which never works on irc
03:35 PM Unterhausen: too bad you can't pretend that remora uses hostmot
03:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think that the cheap FPGA board project was going to port to Mesa
03:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/44422-colorcnc-colorlight-5a-75e-5a-75b-as-fpga-controller-board
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: get hostmot working on them
03:44 PM Unterhausen: rio should do the same
03:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/47730-new-project-litehm2-a-hostmot2-port-to-linsn-rv901t
03:46 PM Unterhausen: funny how many people have the same idea and then do everything differently from each other
03:48 PM Unterhausen: OneMyr did post on the forum
03:49 PM Unterhausen: Rod told him he's going to have to build from source
03:51 PM Unterhausen: can't find the rio project thread on the forum
03:51 PM zyp: I've got my own take on something similar; I looked at both colorcnc, litex-cnc and litehm2 some weeks ago, and found that neither suits what I'd like to do, so I'm rolling my own stuff
03:51 PM zyp: it's not really in a state ready to share yet, but I got it spinning a motor the other day: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/h9WQ1.mp4 https://bin.jvnv.net/file/uOFWD.png
03:53 PM Unterhausen: spinning a motor is good
03:54 PM Unterhausen: I see that rio is under "computers and os's" just like remora. Wish people would put their threads like that in the driver boards forum so they are in a place that makes sense
03:55 PM Unterhausen: rio uses code from remora, I guess that's an improvement from rolling your own
03:56 PM fdarling: zyp: is that a closed loop stepper or a 3-phase servo?
03:56 PM zyp: the latter
03:56 PM zyp: except the current code is running it more like a stepper
03:57 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Cave, https://imgur.com/a/HShvwvJ
03:57 PM bjorkint0sh: my computer wasn't happy with the ram upgrade so it took a while to get it back on.
03:59 PM zyp: so, effectively what I'm doing is making a custom fpga-based controller card designed to be a drop in replacement for the cpu card in this thing: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/2pVce.jpg
04:00 PM zyp: and I didn't find any existing ways of interfacing linuxcnc to it that I liked, so I've made a simple custom ethernet protocol that somewhat resembles ethercat in that multiple devices can be chained
04:02 PM zyp: e.g. like this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/sOo86.mp4 these are running with a single ethernet packet updating the state of both in parallel
04:05 PM solarwind: Don't ya just love how second degree burns hurt the most after 2-3 days
04:05 PM Tom_L: you learning first hand?
04:05 PM solarwind: yes
04:05 PM Tom_L: that's what leather protection is for
04:05 PM solarwind: they itch too and in the middle of the night, you just react and scratch and make it bleed again
04:05 PM Tom_L: silly
04:07 PM solarwind: yes but then I'd have to kill a cow
04:07 PM Tom_L: there are plenty of those already
04:11 PM JT-Shop: still raining here
04:14 PM Tom_L: still hot as heck here
04:14 PM JT-Shop: 72°F here
04:14 PM Tom_L: 101 last i looked
04:15 PM JT-Shop: yuck
04:15 PM * JT-Shop just got up from a second nap...
04:16 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, will mesact2 read in a 1.xx config?
04:16 PM Tom_L: haven't tried that trick in a while
04:16 PM JT-Shop: I think it will for the most part
04:20 PM JT-Shop: hmm I get a weird error mesa.ini not found when I run mesact
04:22 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, is that the right solution?
04:22 PM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, well done
04:25 PM bjorkint0sh: thank you. now I would love to see these things simulated. I wonder.
04:25 PM bjorkint0sh: I'll find out on thursday when my click arrives.
04:26 PM JT-Shop: next puzzle on start up set DS1-DS10 to 0 but first look at Program > Address Picker then select DS1
04:26 PM JT-Shop: notice that the DS registers are retentive which means after a shut down and restart the DS values are the same
04:27 PM JT-Shop: so for your program to safely start you need to make sure the DS registers are in a known state
04:27 PM Tom_L: surely there's a ladder sim somewhere
04:27 PM JT-Shop: there is but it's not for the Click
04:27 PM bjorkint0sh: Tom_L, depends on the vendor, it turns out.
04:27 PM Tom_L: oh
04:28 PM bjorkint0sh: what JT-Shop said.
04:28 PM JT-Shop: IIRC it resembles an AB slick
04:28 PM JT-Shop: 500
04:28 PM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, so make sure you only set the DS registers once on start up < that's a clue
04:31 PM bjorkint0sh: okay. almost like initializing variables in C or something.
04:32 PM JT-Shop: sorta but you need to know that the DS registers are retentive and handle them so you have a known startup
04:32 PM * JT-Shop wonders why quickbooks would care if my browser is outdated or not?
04:36 PM roycroft: security
04:36 PM roycroft: and sometimes features
04:36 PM JT-Shop: but it doesn't use my browser...
04:36 PM JT-Shop: nor do I use the windblows browser
04:38 PM roycroft: it may use it internally
04:38 PM roycroft: it may also be that it's just nosey and likes to nag people
04:38 PM Tom_L: hah i avoid those problems by using dos quickbooks still
04:38 PM JT-Shop: you finally figured it out, qb is nosey and nagging
04:39 PM JT-Shop: how do you record the screen in windblows?
04:39 PM roycroft: i'm actually using gnucash for my business as i continue to work on getting ledgersmb fully-configured
04:39 PM Tom_L: snipping tool
04:40 PM Tom_L: i wrote my own years ago and still use it
04:41 PM JT-Shop: what is ledgersmb?
04:42 PM Tom_L: https://ledgersmb.org/
04:42 PM roycroft: it's an open source accounting system, written mostly in perl, with postgresql as the back end database
04:43 PM Tom_L: i'm gettin too old to change any of that at this point :)
04:43 PM JT-Shop: I hear that
04:44 PM Tom_L: if it werks don't fix it
04:47 PM roycroft: i don't have an older version of quickbooks any more, and all the new versions are cloud-based
04:47 PM Tom_L: ick
04:48 PM roycroft: so quickbooks is not an acceptable accounting package any more
04:48 PM Tom_L: i have an old one here somewhere
04:48 PM JT-Shop: mine is not cloud based
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I have a couple of old ones
04:50 PM Tom_L: i use my program to import to it so the transactions are automatic
04:51 PM roycroft: i brought my trailer wheels to my tire guy at lunch today
04:52 PM roycroft: he's selling me a couple really nice used tires for a good price, and unmounted the old ones so i can media blast and paint the rims
04:52 PM roycroft: or maybe have them powder coated, depending on the cost
04:52 PM roycroft: i realised i should get my new tires as the first thing, so that i can properly fit fenders to the trailer as i do the rebuild
04:54 PM Tom_L: get some chrome spoke wheels for it :)
04:55 PM Tom_L: along with the microbus on top...
04:56 PM roycroft: i don't think it needs that
04:56 PM roycroft: the steel rims are fine, but there's a lot of rust and crud that needs to be removed from them
04:57 PM Tom_L: are they tubed or just valve stems?
04:58 PM roycroft: there were tubes, but the rims and tires are tubeless
04:58 PM roycroft: the new tires are tubeless
04:59 PM Tom_L: not rusted enough to leak?
05:01 PM Tom_L: i had a spare tire on an old truck i never used and found out it was flat and had to break the bead and reseal it once
05:01 PM JT-Shop: if it don't leak don't fix it... if it leaks put a tube in it
05:02 PM Tom_L: i just soaped the bead and it held fine
05:03 PM Tom_L: sold it to the neighbor kid and he wrecked it so meh..
05:07 PM JT-Shop: I have a can of bead seal somewhere I had to use on something years ago
05:08 PM solarwind: Really need to figure out how to TIG weld brass without the zinc coming out and fouling the tungsten. So far the best way I've found is with an oxy acetylene torch with an oxidizing flame to form a nice oxide film on the surface.
05:08 PM solarwind: Turns out that's a legitimate technique for gas brazing brass
05:09 PM solarwind: and turns out there's such a thing as flux for TIG welding
05:09 PM solarwind: no idea what that's all about https://superiorflux.com/products/welding-flux/deeptig/
05:15 PM roycroft: not rusted enough to leak by any means
05:15 PM roycroft: the old tires were dried out and cracked, worn out, and two different sizes
05:16 PM roycroft: so they realy needed to be swapped out for new ones
05:16 PM roycroft: but they did hold air, or at least their inner tubes did
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bjorkint0sh: https://www.plcfiddle.com/
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://app.plcsimulator.online/
05:27 PM roycroft: success
05:27 PM roycroft: my shop no longer smells like china
05:28 PM CloudEvil: Woo!
05:28 PM CloudEvil: Does it now smell like new york city?
05:28 PM roycroft: i don't know
05:28 PM roycroft: i've only ever been to new york city once, and i don't remember the smell
05:28 PM roycroft: that was a long time ago
05:29 PM roycroft: it's a pretty neutral smell right now, though, and my impression is that nyc is anything but neutral regarding just about anything
05:30 PM roycroft: the fab shop is full of laser enclosure, and getting to the blasting cabinet would be difficult, so i think it's time to clear coat and assemble my laser enclosure, then i can get back to the trailer project
05:39 PM Unterhausen: New York City is known as "trash city" because when they laid it out, there were no alleys for trash like in every other major city in the world
05:39 PM Tom_L: they don't use the alleys here for that much anymore
05:40 PM XXCoder: roycroft: im missing something, why did your shop smell like china?
05:40 PM Tom_L: especially since the 2 major haulers won't use them
05:40 PM Unterhausen: the point is, there aren't nearly enough dumpsters in NYC
05:40 PM Tom_L: nation wide
05:43 PM Unterhausen: Tom, you are in Memphis?
05:43 PM Tom_L: nosir
05:43 PM Tom_L: Ks
05:43 PM Unterhausen: kc ks?
05:44 PM Tom_L: wichita
05:45 PM Unterhausen: is boeing still there?
05:45 PM Tom_L: it is spirit now
05:45 PM Tom_L: but yes the plant is still open and making boeing tubes
05:46 PM Tom_L: and airbus etc now
05:46 PM Tom_L: i actually think that helped us
05:47 PM Unterhausen: interesting, didn't hear about that. It's totally spun off?
05:47 PM Tom_L: spirit bought them
05:47 PM Tom_L: when they left town
05:47 PM Tom_L: dunno the full details
05:47 PM Tom_L: beech & cessna are merged now under textron
05:48 PM Tom_L: learjet is... well capoot for the most part but bombardier is over them now
05:48 PM Unterhausen: I used to talk to a machine shop there frequently.
05:49 PM Tom_L: which one?
05:49 PM Tom_L: we have quite a few here
05:49 PM bjorkint0sh: alright JT-Shop, the task is challenging so I'm going to do a bit of reading first.
05:53 PM JT-Shop: ok, no problem take your time you will learn more that way
05:53 PM JT-Shop: view some of the click videos on automation direct
05:53 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
06:09 PM Unterhausen: I don't remember the name of the shop I talked to, but they were used to making b52 parts and the F16 drawings stumped them pretty often
06:13 PM Tom_L: heh
06:14 PM Tom_L: alot of the not as accurate stuff back then was on mylar
06:14 PM Tom_L: +-.030ish
06:14 PM Unterhausen: I think they sent me one and I was horrified
06:14 PM Tom_L: i've seen some pretty bad ones
06:14 PM Tom_L: depends on the idiot that comes up with them
06:15 PM Unterhausen: C130 drawings were a joke, because half the planes were custom and they didn't pay for engineering on them
06:15 PM Tom_L: most everything is dont via catia now
06:15 PM Tom_L: smaller shops back then used mastercam and alot still do
06:16 PM Unterhausen: I think they may have still been using the original copies of the blueprints for the b52
06:16 PM Tom_L: very possible
06:16 PM Unterhausen: ragged
06:16 PM Tom_L: rolled up in tubes
06:17 PM Unterhausen: you would need a really big tube
06:17 PM Tom_L: for some of them yes
06:17 PM Tom_L: they probably just rolled alot of them
06:18 PM Tom_L: i've got a wing assembly here somewhere we were making a few parts for
06:18 PM Unterhausen: f16 were on microfiche and then they digitized the microfiche
06:18 PM Tom_L: mostly wing ballast
06:20 PM Unterhausen: I think the confusing thing about f16 drawings was that the configuration data was almost complete so you had to be able to read it
06:21 PM Tom_L: i did a bunch of hydropress molds for sheet parts and most of those were from mylars
06:22 PM Tom_L: that's probably how my pendant box was made
06:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant1.jpg
06:23 PM Tom_L: i got several of those surplus
06:23 PM Tom_L: different sizes
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06:25 PM skunkworks[m]: i really like the dupont connectors...
06:25 PM Tom_L: the green one?
06:26 PM skunkworks[m]: both ends.
06:26 PM skunkworks[m]: the connectors crimp really nice.
06:26 PM Tom_L: the blackones are called minifit? i forget
06:26 PM Tom_L: no not that.. something else.. i forget
06:26 PM skunkworks[m]: Dupont... Lol
06:27 PM Tom_L: i had to crimp a couple molex ones on the mill recently
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06:27 PM Unterhausen: the remora docs called them dunlop connectors and I had never heard that term before
06:28 PM Tom_L: skunkworks[m], looks like those would be easier to extract than the ones i have
06:28 PM skunkworks[m]: I got this kit...
06:28 PM skunkworks[m]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R1H3Z8X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
06:28 PM Tom_L: 2 side tabs
06:28 PM Tom_L: my crimper only has 2 slots
06:29 PM Tom_L: damn, i can't recall what those are called now.. i have some
06:29 PM skunkworks[m]: used it for a couple years now.. Might be running out 😉
06:30 PM Tom_L: https://www.molex.com/en-us/products/connectors/wire-to-board-connectors/mini-fit-connectors
06:31 PM Tom_L: i think the minifit are bigger
06:31 PM skunkworks[m]: been cutting the plastic connectors off doa computers for a long time..
06:31 PM Tom_L: c-grid
06:31 PM Tom_L: that's it
06:31 PM Tom_L: https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/m/molex/c-grid-connector-products
06:31 PM Unterhausen: I'm not sure I could successfully crimp a jst connector
06:31 PM skunkworks[m]: ah - yes - motherboard power connectorus
06:31 PM skunkworks[m]: connectors
06:32 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:32 PM Tom_L: and the c-grid were used on the front pannel plug
06:32 PM Unterhausen: aren't they just .1 in connectors?
06:32 PM Tom_L: yes
06:32 PM Tom_L: the c-grid are
06:32 PM skunkworks[m]: c-grid.. look like dupont.. maybe molex name?
06:33 PM Tom_L: the other one _might_ be a little wider
06:33 PM Tom_L: skunkworks[m], could be
06:33 PM Unterhausen: different pins and shells
06:33 PM skunkworks[m]: they seem all interchangeable.
06:33 PM Tom_L: pretty much
06:34 PM Unterhausen: I should go swimming, but I have to get up out of my chair first
06:34 PM Tom_L: the pins are odd on the minifit, a D then square next to it in some configuration
06:35 PM Tom_L: so you don't mis plug it
06:35 PM skunkworks[m]: right
06:36 PM Tom_L: i know the different brands of the c-grid type take different pins
06:36 PM Tom_L: they lock in the connector different
06:59 PM CAKESLOB: dunlop connectors are special connectors for diagnosing tire/TPMS related issues, they are proprietioary
06:59 PM CAKESLOB: we use them a lot in remora
07:01 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen i dont see any instances of dunlop in the docs wiseguy
07:03 PM Unterhausen: sorry dupont :)
07:04 PM CAKESLOB: yeah, the "real ones" are miniPV, and harwin H20
07:04 PM CAKESLOB: i had to look it up a lot when I was trying to buy all the connectors for the meetup
07:05 PM CAKESLOB: miniPV locking tab window is slightly longer , so they dont fit
07:05 PM CAKESLOB: but harwin H20, dont have tabbed connectors
07:06 PM CAKESLOB: so i found a chinese site selling miniPV connectors that fit harwin aka dupont connectors
07:06 PM CAKESLOB: so I bought like 200 for $20 or something
07:06 PM CAKESLOB: and yeah, crimping JST is the fudging worst
07:07 PM CAKESLOB: now Im mostly just buying pre-crimped wires from china/ada fruit because its so much easier and soo cheap
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07:30 PM skunkworks[m]: these dunlop seem to be identical to the .1in headers used on motherboards and mesa..
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07:33 PM CAKESLOB: love old computer cables
07:33 PM CAKESLOB: for the buttons and leds
07:34 PM CAKESLOB: they are pretty long too,i used them on the home switch on the tiny lathe
07:34 PM CAKESLOB: sometimes they are miniPV though....
07:37 PM skunkworks[m]: I crimped all those ends..
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07:53 PM Unterhausen: cakeslob, there is a reddit thread about what to do in allentown, just a little too late
07:53 PM Unterhausen: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/152l0lh/whats_good_in_the_lehigh_valley_area_our_daughter/
08:19 PM author[m]: Is there any API interface documentation for LinuxCNC. I am creating a client to operate CNC. API documentation is required for docking
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08:21 PM author[m]: This is my client program
08:21 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/ bottom has API calls
08:22 PM author[m]: Tom_L: thank you very much
08:28 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen lol thats uncanny, it was nice though
08:29 PM CAKESLOB: lol author whats with the seimens logos
08:30 PM author[m]: Men are very interested in machinery.
08:31 PM author[m]: This seimens logo is to be replaced and is currently only occupying a space
08:38 PM author[m]: 如果你们对这个客户端感兴趣，等我做好了可以分享给大家
08:38 PM author[m]: If you are interested in this client, I can share it with everyone when I am done
08:38 PM author[m]: If you are interested in this client, I can share it with everyone when I am done
08:56 PM Tuco[m] is now known as tuco49920[m]
09:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: author: just share it then everyone that is interested can just access it just like Linux
09:39 PM author[m]: CaptHindsight[m]: After I finish, I will share it with the group😀
10:35 PM roycroft: sharing is caring
10:35 PM XXCoder: hey roy
10:36 PM XXCoder: im curious what was making your shop smell like china
10:36 PM Tom_L: he's running a sweatshop in the garage
10:40 PM roycroft: i bought something from harbor freight, opened the box in the shop, and did not remove the packaging materials immediately
10:41 PM Tom_L: wow it's down to 90F this evening
10:42 PM roycroft: 27c here right now, so much cooler than where you are
10:51 PM roycroft: the clear coat on my laser enclosure is going much better than last time
10:52 PM roycroft: it's still way too much work - i'm going to go back to the industrial paint next time i do something like this
10:52 PM XXCoder: ahh I see on packaging
10:52 PM XXCoder: awesome on coating
10:53 PM roycroft: it was a big box, xxcoder, with lots of plastic coated with china juice protecting the parts
10:55 PM XXCoder: sounds gross