#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 17 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:55 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM Loetmichel: GOOOD MOOOORNING, VIET^W CHANNEL!
02:42 AM travis_farmer[m4: Morning ☕️
04:40 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:40 AM Tom_L: morning
05:52 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
07:59 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, just added a nag for firmware and a checkbox to not nag again
09:05 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
09:33 AM Tom_L: cool
09:42 AM Tom_L: grabbing it now
09:44 AM Tom_L: cool except answering yes doesn't dl it :)
09:45 AM Tom_L: (i know it's not done)
10:13 AM Tom_L: wow, you can still buy DB25 printer cables
10:26 AM skunkworks[m]: you can still buy pci/pci-e printer port cards.
10:27 AM Tom_L: right
10:37 AM Rab: Heck, you can still buy Centronics printer cables.
10:37 AM roycroft: a db25 printer cable usually has only half the pin connected
10:37 AM Tom_L: right
10:38 AM Tom_L: i made sure all 25 were wired
10:38 AM Rab: A lot of stuff still uses DB25...I usually get cables through Mouser where I can verify straight-through pinout and other characteristics.
10:38 AM pcw--home: a IEEE-1284 cable has more like 37 wires
10:39 AM pcw--home: (the 17 printer signal wires all have twisted pair grounds)
10:39 AM roycroft: jt stocks proper 25-pin cables
10:40 AM pcw--home: These are actually better than flat cables for LPT like cabling
10:40 AM pcw--home: we use flat cable for short runs but IEEE-1284 for 6 and 10 ft, much better SI
10:41 AM Tom_L: roycroft, his are male to male
10:42 AM Tom_L: maybe he has one with no pic there...
10:42 AM Tom_L: says flat cable
10:48 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I still need to program yes
10:48 AM Tom_L: just givin ya a hard time
10:49 AM JT-Shop: lol
10:49 AM Tom_L: i wish dk and mouser would show the mating plug for a socket when you enter a number
10:54 AM pcw--home: DK does have the best electronic part parametric search I've seen
10:55 AM Tom_L: ok they're sequentially numbered m/f m/f
10:55 AM pcw--home: (I some times use it when shopping elsewhere just to find part numbers)
10:55 AM Tom_L: molex like the power plug on a MB
10:56 AM Tom_L: i miss the pile of catalogs proping the door open
10:56 AM pcw--home: yeah finding mates/contacts for molex/amp etc is often a project
10:59 AM roycroft: i still use my old printed dk and mouser catalogs most of the time when searching for parts
10:59 AM Tom_L: pcw--home, do you know of a mini-itx socket 1151 with decent latency?
10:59 AM roycroft: it's easier to find parts in the printed catalogs than using the web search interface, but since the printed catalogs are old, i mostly don't have access to newer parts
10:59 AM pcw--home: I have not looked and MBs in a long time
11:00 AM Tom_L: ok
11:00 AM Tom_L: i'm sure one day i'll have to upgrade but that form factor would save getting another case etc
11:01 AM pcw--home: I do know the 6.4 kernels have fixed all the Ethernet issues I had seen (though I don't have a test machine with a Realtek MAC so that's still unknown)
11:01 AM roycroft: my mouser catalog is dated september 2021, and my digi-key is dated 2010
11:01 AM roycroft: they're both getting pretty old now
11:01 AM roycroft: er, mouser is september 2012
11:01 AM Rab: Tom_L, "stuff other people bought" is often a lifesaver, and Mouser generally provides a link to the manufacturer's series which includes related products.
11:01 AM roycroft: it's so old my fingers auto-updated the year :)
11:02 AM XXCoder: lol
11:02 AM roycroft: my newark catalog is dated 2010 as well
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11:05 AM Tom_itx: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813128983
11:05 AM Tom_itx: wtf.. antenna ports? never seen that
11:05 AM Rab: Some mfgs have truly dire part numbers with no legible series. You really have to ingest the whole catalog from the top down to make sense of it. Thinking Phoenix Contact, Amphenol
11:07 AM pcw--home: That's probably decent
11:07 AM roycroft: i built a lcnc machine a while back that had wifi built into the system board, with antenna ports
11:07 AM Tom_L: probably better than ASrock
11:08 AM roycroft: iirc it took me a while to find screws for the antenna connectors - they were something like m2x2.5mm
11:08 AM pcw--home: Yeah some of the best (latency wise) MBs I have tested were Gigabyte
11:09 AM Tom_L: any experience with ASUS?
11:10 AM Tom_L: i've got a couple of their laptops
11:10 AM Tom_L: 2x the cost..
11:11 AM pcw--home: I don't recall that I've tested any ASUS
11:12 AM Tom_L: oh well. just window shopping anyway
11:12 AM Tom_L: the gigabyte looked promising
11:16 AM bjorkint0sh: what do you fine folk make of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIZK1tTxvo&list=PLPdypWXY_ROq_npTGnghg9VZC2RlPxfSw
11:17 AM bjorkint0sh: it's essentially an arduino in a plc form factor.
11:17 AM Tom_L: maybe ok if you like grbl
11:18 AM Tom_L: but if you do, i'm sure there are cheaper solutions
11:20 AM bjorkint0sh: it's 70 bucks. and it's compatible with other automation direct DIN blocks.
11:20 AM bjorkint0sh: just wondering if anyone was familiar with them.
11:20 AM Tom_L: i'm not
11:20 AM Tom_L: but you mention arduino and i think grbl
11:21 AM bjorkint0sh: I haven't seen grbl in action
11:21 AM Tom_L: not nearly as robust as lcnc
11:21 AM Tom_L: 2.5d basic gcode
11:21 AM bjorkint0sh: I see.
11:21 AM Tom_L: no? canned cycles etc afik
11:22 AM Tom_L: if any, they're basic ones
11:27 AM XXCoder: seems delrin can be kurled
11:27 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpNQJxZlwU
11:28 AM Tom_L: bjorkint0sh, a short list of supported gcode can be found here: https://www.sainsmart.com/blogs/news/grbl-v1-1-quick-reference
11:31 AM Tom_L: not sure how it would work on that system
11:34 AM bjorkint0sh: Tom_L, I wonder. why didn't they just use lcnc?
11:41 AM Tom_L: there are those that think grbl is the be all end all...
11:42 AM Tom_L: similar genetics as those that use mach
11:42 AM Tom_L: :)
12:09 PM solarwind: I think gerbil when I see grbl
12:09 PM solarwind: then I want to go to the pet store and get a couple of pet rats again
12:20 PM bjorkint0sh: solarwind, must be rats on your brain. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/801/must-be-rats-on-the-brain
12:23 PM Scopeuk: Gerbils are fun and the rate at which they go through wood could give some small desktop mills a run for their money
12:35 PM solarwind: bjorkint0sh they are _soooo_ cute
12:35 PM solarwind: even in the pic from the site you linked. Look at it poking out its little head
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12:39 PM JT-Shop: I've used the productivity plc
12:39 PM solarwind: On another note, mild still can definitely be brought to a mirror finish with progressively finer sandpaper and jeweller's rouge. Never got the hang of jeweller's rouge though, not sure when to reapply it
12:40 PM solarwind: everyone says not to apply a lot of force, but I find that you need some force when polishing for sure
12:48 PM Rab: I have noticed when buffing with compound on a cloth wheel that there's an ideal point between too much and too little pressure. There might be a microscopic "grain" effect where heavy pressure creates swirls as the wheel deflects, and light pressure is too sparse.
12:48 PM solarwind: C1018 also seems to take a beautiful brushed finish after sanding. I love it
12:49 PM solarwind: Rab good point, you're right
12:49 PM solarwind: I can also get a very good surface finish on the lathe on larger diameter pieces when using carbide inserts
12:50 PM Rab: solarwind, does that require high spindle speeds?
12:50 PM solarwind: \
12:50 PM solarwind: yes
12:50 PM solarwind: well surface speed is the metric
12:50 PM Rab: sure
12:50 PM solarwind: my lathe only goes to 2500 RPM
12:51 PM solarwind: but the carbide inserts give an even better finish than a vertical shear tool
12:51 PM solarwind: although with the vertical shear tool, I was able to achieve +/- 1µm tolerance on a 30cm long part
01:50 PM solarwind: Hmmmm I wonder if Zamak is "weldable" with a TIG torch
01:51 PM solarwind: Time to try. The melting point is much lower than the boiling point of zinc so it should be doable theoretically
01:52 PM Rab: I've heard this stuff recommended, never tried to use it: https://www.muggyweld.com/product/super-alloy-1/
01:53 PM solarwind: Contains cadmium
01:55 PM solarwind: - sigh - why does all the good stuff have to be highly toxic?
01:56 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, what was your opinion on the productivity plc?
01:59 PM solarwind: On another note, I used blue demon triple play aluminum brazing rod to repair a cracked air blow gun casting
01:59 PM solarwind: VERY impressed
02:00 PM solarwind: TIG welding was an option, but it's cast aluminum, thin wall, so very susceptible to caving in. I just filled it in with the filler rod and drilled and tapped the 1/4" NPT port and everything looks very solid
02:01 PM solarwind: These aluminum brazing rods are surprisingly effective for things like this. Project Farm guy tested a bunch and found them to have high tensile strength and excellent bonding
02:01 PM solarwind: What I don't understand is how they're bonding with the aluminum with that oxide layer in the way
02:03 PM solarwind: You're supposed to intentionally jam the rod onto the surface as you heat the workpiece to scratch the oxide layer off, but even without doing that, it bonds to the surface very well. Project Farm guy showed that all the good brands fully adhered to the base metal without peeling off and failed within the weld joint itself which is what you want.
02:03 PM solarwind: And they don't have any flux
02:04 PM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, it's a bit strange compared to the click if your used to programming the ardunio it's easy to grasp
02:05 PM JT-Shop: the programming software won't let you screw up but it's tad limited, having said that you can get a lot done with the software
02:06 PM bjorkint0sh: does it still use ladder logic?
02:08 PM travis_farmer[m4: new WiFi router just showed up! i will likely set it up tomorrow when less people are online. :-)
02:09 PM Scopeuk: if you start setting it up now there will be less people online
02:09 PM travis_farmer[m4: yes, but more pissed off offline people ;-)
02:13 PM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, no it's C just like the ardunio
02:13 PM JT-Shop: if I have a choice I'll use a click always
02:21 PM bjorkint0sh: ah really?
02:21 PM bjorkint0sh: i was strongly considering the starter kit
02:22 PM bjorkint0sh: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/productivity2000_plcs_(micro-modular)/cpus/p2-start2
03:13 PM JT-Cave: wow that's expensive
03:14 PM JT-Cave: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/click_plcs_(stackable_micro_brick)/plc_units/c0-01dr-d
03:14 PM JT-Cave: I usually use that one for industrial applications
03:14 PM JT-Cave: I've programmed over 100 clicks in my time
03:22 PM bjorkint0sh: oh I see
03:29 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Cave, you don't think the starter kit is worth it?
03:35 PM JT-Shop: hmm for some reason I thought you were looking at productivity open which is ardunio based
03:36 PM JT-Shop: 2000 is a real plc but unless you need that level the click is the best bang for the buck
03:38 PM JT-Shop: if you're doing something like step generation at high speeds the 2000 is for that as IIRC it has a high speed output card
03:39 PM JT-Shop: I'd assume the starter kit is less than the sum of all the parts
03:40 PM JT-Shop: if you need all those parts then it's worth it if not then no
03:45 PM AlexTreber[m] is now known as alextreber0[m]
03:46 PM solarwind: I wonder if there are any services where I can bring them a pile of steel, all of the same type and they'll melt and hot roll into square bars or whatever
03:46 PM solarwind: I wonder if it's worth it if you have about 1 ton of metal
03:47 PM JT-Shop: well not directly... take it to a scrap dealer... they take it to a steel mill or a larger scrap dealer
03:48 PM solarwind: I want to avoid scrapyards as much as possible, they will give you pennies
03:48 PM solarwind: right, steel mill was the word I was looking for. But they might not even talk to me with the volumes they deal with
03:49 PM JT-Shop: so a single charge is huge like 50 tons
03:49 PM solarwind: yeah
03:49 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: 100% not worth it unless you have 1000s of tons. 1 ton is not even a rounding error on any steel production setup.
03:49 PM JT-Shop: yup
03:49 PM solarwind: Ssshhhh don't give me any Walter White like ideas
03:50 PM Rab: Small batch artisanal smelting
03:50 PM XXCoder: homebrew forging?
03:50 PM solarwind: Rab that was my next thought. I know there are smaller shops that do castings
03:50 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Just send it to scrap. If you have clean scrap (no coolant and one alloy) you might be able to get a better deal than the normal shred price.
03:50 PM JT-Shop: aye just build a small steel mill and rolling mill
03:51 PM JT-Shop: here the best price for steel is for shorts
03:51 PM solarwind: Might give it a shot to see if I can get a good quality pour. Steel mills have all the details figured out, like fluxing/degassing/whatever to get very little porosity
03:52 PM solarwind: might be worth trying with my vacuum chamber and induction furnace, or maybe an air carbon arc furnace
03:53 PM roycroft: with the heat waves we're experiencing, this would be a good time to operate a steel mill - it would not require as much energy as normal to do the smelting
03:55 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: It is really, really not worth it unless you want to start your own foundry doing castings. Unless it is just for the fun of it. Steel is too cheap to bother trying to make in small batches and you will end up with an unknown alloy that will be at best A36 quality material.
03:55 PM solarwind: ZincBoy[CAON][m] yeah you're right
03:56 PM solarwind: not woth it for 1 ton of material, but worth having a furnace for small castings
03:58 PM bjorkint0sh: JT-Shop, I was merely curious about the arduino based device. it's 70 bucks.
03:58 PM bjorkint0sh: I am definitely interested in either a click or click plus
03:58 PM bjorkint0sh: is there much of a difference?
03:58 PM bjorkint0sh: mind you, this is just for me to play with.
03:59 PM bjorkint0sh: I've been curious about PLCs for a while and I want to put together a kit to play around with.
04:01 PM roycroft: i'm planning on setting up a small foundry here at some point, primarily for casting small parts in brass and bronze
04:01 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I don't know if they have hardened the arduino based system but my experience is that using a normal arduino in an industrial setup is not great. I haven't found the arduino to be stable when using in an industrial environment.
04:02 PM JT-Shop: bjorkint0sh, in that case the lowest level click + power supply will get you going.
04:03 PM JT-Shop: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/click_plcs_(stackable_micro_brick)/plc_units/c0-00dr-d
04:03 PM JT-Shop: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/click_plcs_(stackable_micro_brick)/power_supplies/c0-00ac
04:03 PM JT-Shop: that will get you going
04:04 PM bjorkint0sh: oh excellent.
04:04 PM JT-Shop: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/programmable_controllers/click_plcs_(stackable_micro_brick)/stackable_i-z-o_modules/c0-08sim
04:04 PM solarwind: Yeah I think it's time I finally build a high power induction furnace
04:04 PM bjorkint0sh: any other recommendations? motor controller or something?
04:04 PM JT-Shop: if you don't want to wire up a bunch of switches use the input sim
04:04 PM bjorkint0sh: okay.
04:04 PM JT-Shop: what are you trying to do with the plc?
04:05 PM bjorkint0sh: learn ladder logic and maybe Structured Text.
04:05 PM bjorkint0sh: it's time to pick up a new skill.
04:05 PM JT-Shop: stick with ladder :)
04:05 PM bjorkint0sh: okay.
04:05 PM bjorkint0sh: I think ladder logic is simple enough, or am I mistaken?
04:05 PM JT-Shop: those three items plus the software will get you going
04:06 PM JT-Shop: it can be simple...
04:06 PM bjorkint0sh: coming from a python/tcl/bash/lisp/gcode programming background.
04:06 PM JT-Shop: and I've seen some really bad ladder many times :)
04:07 PM bjorkint0sh: okay. brb. real world is drawing my attention. still got questions.
04:07 PM JT-Shop: rule #1 for ladder "last one wins"
04:08 PM JT-Shop: also note the software is windblows 10 I think now
04:08 PM JT-Shop: ok
04:08 PM JT-Shop: hmm this is real... or am I a computer?
04:09 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You are a computer. Hate to tell you.
04:10 PM roycroft: you are a figment of your imagination
04:10 PM JT-Shop: hmm I've been assimilated
04:10 PM * roycroft watches jt-shop go all norman
04:11 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:11 PM JT-Shop: hmm fixing to get some rain... free rinse
04:12 PM roycroft: we have no rain in the forecast for the indefinite future
04:12 PM roycroft: i'm going camping on the coast in a few weeks, though, and there's a good chance it will rain there
04:18 PM JT-Shop: going to be a nice weekend here and we are going north to Williamsburg so even cooler there I hope
04:27 PM roycroft: it's way cooler here today than it's been over the past week
04:27 PM roycroft: we're back to seasonal normal temps, which are tolerable
04:53 PM * roycroft is going to remove the deck boards from his new trailer after work today, so he can figure out what other work needs to be done
04:53 PM roycroft: whoever built the thing really screwed up - they put the axle all the way in the back of the trailer
04:53 PM roycroft: so i'll need to move that, at least
04:54 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: 90% of the weight of the trailer should be on the tongue, right 🙂
04:58 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to
05:06 PM roycroft: usualy it's 60% on the tongue
05:06 PM roycroft: for my application i may put 65% on the tongue
05:06 PM roycroft: i definitely need to move the axle forward quite a bit
05:07 PM roycroft: i got the trailer for free, so i'm not complaining about it
05:07 PM roycroft: a lot of money and fabrication time will be saved remodeling this one vs. building a new one from scratch
05:07 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: 10-15% tongue weight for a bumper pull.
05:08 PM roycroft: the heaviest part of my load will normally be towards the rear of the trailer
05:08 PM roycroft: so 65% tongue weight empty will translate to much less than that when loaded
05:10 PM roycroft: i should probably snap some pics before i start the disassembly, so i can document the rebuild
05:21 PM JT-Shop: is it typical trailer or a home built?
05:26 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
06:04 PM bjorkint0sh: I do have a windows 10 installation for emergencies and other anomalous events.
06:48 PM roycroft: it looks kind of in between
06:48 PM roycroft: home built by someone with a modicum of skills
06:49 PM roycroft: but one thing really troubles me about the axle mount, besides its being too far back
06:53 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/AxleMount.jpeg
06:53 PM roycroft: shouldn't the swivel mount be angled away from the axle?
06:53 PM roycroft: they way it's angled, when the springs compress it will have to push down and then back
06:53 PM Tom_L: i take it the front is to the right
06:53 PM roycroft: yes
06:54 PM Tom_L: yeah that's bass akwards
06:54 PM roycroft: oh, wait
06:54 PM roycroft: no
06:54 PM roycroft: not in that picture
06:54 PM roycroft: the front is to the left
06:54 PM roycroft: but still, it looks wrong
06:54 PM Tom_L: stationary is front
06:54 PM roycroft: yes
06:54 PM roycroft: and the swivel one should angle back 5-10 degrees at rest
06:54 PM roycroft: it's a good thing i already have to move that
06:55 PM roycroft: the frame is square and not twisty, and the welds are good
06:55 PM roycroft: so it's a decent start
06:55 PM roycroft: the wheels are two completely different sizes, which would explain why it does not sit level
06:56 PM roycroft: but i was planning on new tires anyway
06:56 PM Tom_L: no, they park it on a hill
06:56 PM roycroft: aah
06:56 PM roycroft: and our terrain is rather hilly
06:58 PM Tom_L: company here makes those springs
06:58 PM roycroft: i'm planning on using the trailer next spring or later
06:59 PM roycroft: so i'll probably completely disassemble it and clean it up really well before fixing it up and repainting it
06:59 PM roycroft: i have no idea if the brakes work or how much effort it would take to make them work
06:59 PM roycroft: but i'd like to have brakes
06:59 PM Tom_L: https://atlasspringandaxle.com/
07:00 PM roycroft: nice
07:00 PM roycroft: it's good to see things still made in this country
07:01 PM roycroft: ack - i have a committee meeting in an hour
07:01 PM roycroft: i had best fix some dinner and get ready for that
07:02 PM roycroft: oh, wait - it's only monday
07:02 PM roycroft: my meeting is tomorrow
07:06 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Trailer/TrailerFront.jpeg
07:06 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/Trailer/TrailerSide.jpeg
07:07 PM XXCoder: well its great for being free
07:07 PM roycroft: the deck, as it came, is just under 5' wide, and 12' long
07:07 PM roycroft: yeah
07:07 PM XXCoder: definitely needs some work
07:07 PM Tom_L: would be nice if the jack was side mounted and folded
07:07 PM roycroft: the frame is 10' long
07:07 PM roycroft: i may get one like that, tom_l
07:07 PM Tom_L: saves lots of cranking
07:07 PM XXCoder: I wonder what orginal use was
07:07 PM roycroft: the replacement deck will be 10' long - i don't want that overhang in the back
07:07 PM roycroft: hauling crap to the dump, i would guess
07:08 PM XXCoder: it might have been imbalanced and rear-heavy so wheels was futher back
07:08 PM Tom_L: mount the microbus to the frame and you'd have a real show piece at the fair :)
07:08 PM roycroft: haha
07:08 PM XXCoder: turn microbus into trailer ;)
07:08 PM roycroft: i can't think of a reason to mount the axle that far back except incompetence
07:09 PM Tom_L: is a ways back
07:09 PM roycroft: the center of the axle is 80% back from the front
07:09 PM XXCoder: best I can think of is loads is imbalanced towards back
07:09 PM roycroft: yeah, but your entire load would have to be in the last 2 feet for that to balance
07:09 PM Tom_L: i did one from a 72 cheby bed once
07:10 PM XXCoder: yeah dunno too. weight gradient would have to be pretty extreme
07:10 PM roycroft: and it's really heavy to pick up by the tongue and roll around
07:10 PM roycroft: i went and got one of those harbor freight trailer dollys today so i didn't give myself a heart attack moving the thing
07:10 PM XXCoder: sadly none of us have hulk mode
07:11 PM roycroft: moving the axle up will help with that a lot - it will remove much of the tongue weight
07:11 PM roycroft: anyway, i figure i got about $700 worth of trailer for free
07:12 PM XXCoder: hm on front I hope thats not a crack on left side
07:12 PM roycroft: no, it's not
07:12 PM roycroft: i know what you're talking about, and it's not a crack
07:13 PM XXCoder: ok
07:13 PM roycroft: it's a scratch that got rusty
07:13 PM Tom_L: does your state require lights?
07:13 PM Tom_L: fenders
07:14 PM roycroft: yes and yes
07:14 PM roycroft: i took my chances hauling it home without fenders
07:14 PM roycroft: and i have portable lights that i attached to the back for hauling it home
07:14 PM roycroft: i'll add fenders when i add sides to it
07:15 PM roycroft: i'm going to weld up some sides about 12" high
07:15 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if i'll add a tailgate or not
07:15 PM Tom_L: they get heavy
07:15 PM roycroft: i'm going to make a log lifting arch for it, and mount a winch on the front
07:15 PM Tom_L: i helped a friend add a lawn spray tank etc to his
07:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/sprayer/DSC_0004.JPG
07:16 PM roycroft: https://wilkerdos.com/building-a-log-hauling-trailer/
07:17 PM roycroft: something like that
07:17 PM Tom_L: that or propane tank
07:17 PM Tom_L: use a similar framework
07:17 PM roycroft: the sides in your pic are similar to what i plan on adding
07:17 PM Tom_L: hoist is different
07:17 PM Tom_L: with an extension out the back to unload the tank
07:18 PM roycroft: the kind of hoist i linked to is really nice, because it pulls the load both up and forward at the same time
07:18 PM Tom_L: that was the one time i used fluxcore mig and i hated it
07:18 PM roycroft: which is what you need for loading logs
07:18 PM * roycroft will probably stick weld with his tig welder
07:19 PM Tom_L: your axle isn't rated for a very heavy load either
07:19 PM Tom_L: doesn't look like it anyway
07:19 PM roycroft: no
07:19 PM roycroft: 3500lbs
07:19 PM roycroft: but i don't plan on hauling heavy loads with this trailer - it will get me started
07:20 PM roycroft: and if i start hauling a lot of logs i'll build a bigger one, with dual 5000lb axles
08:41 PM Unterhausen: I copied a sketch in SW and if I change a dimension in that sketch, it changes it in the original. I was promised they would be independent
08:50 PM roycroft: they can be, or they cannot be, and i've been bitten by that in the past
08:50 PM roycroft: thinking i made an independent copy of something when in fact i did not
08:51 PM roycroft: it's one reason i use git to manage my cad files
08:51 PM XXCoder: you can copy only sketch and not its assocated stuff
08:51 PM XXCoder: so it would be independant
08:51 PM XXCoder: oh wait SW nm
08:54 PM roycroft: you can do that with sw
08:54 PM XXCoder: ok
08:55 PM roycroft: but the sw dialog boxes when saving as or copying are a little obtuse, and it's easy even for an experiencd sw user to make the wrong choice
08:55 PM roycroft: i'm not claiming unterhausen did that, but it is a possibility
08:56 PM roycroft: i have no idea what unterhausen did, except something that delivered unexpected and (i think) unwanted results
08:56 PM Unterhausen: I did ctrl-c ctrl-v from the feature tree. I was told that makes an independent sketch
08:57 PM Unterhausen: it's not, so I'm going to have to copy it by hand
08:57 PM roycroft: i generally copy and modify parts, not sketches
08:57 PM Unterhausen: this is a complex part, but what I should do is make a global variable
08:58 PM Unterhausen: I was copying the sketch to avoid that
08:59 PM Unterhausen: they must have changed this behavior, because I watched a youtube video where they demonstrate the dimensions aren't linked
09:02 PM Unterhausen: the dimensions are greyed out like a reference dimension and there is no way to break the link
09:09 PM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
09:27 PM Unterhausen: well, at least they forced me to have global variables, which I needed anyway
09:40 PM roycroft: which is good practice
09:50 PM Unterhausen: especially since I might have 2 versions
09:50 PM Unterhausen: but it still won't fillet
09:54 PM roycroft: then you'll have to cook it whole, head and all
10:07 PM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
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