#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 22 2023

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:03 AM Deejay: moin
02:38 AM travis_farmer[m4: Morning ☕️
03:28 AM turboss[m]: morning
04:28 AM travis_farmer[m4: my crap laser safety glasses should be showing up today... so i can see if they are worth anything or not...
04:30 AM Tom_L: morning
05:07 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:09 AM JT-Cave: Trudy died yesterday so down to 8 hens now
05:11 AM travis_farmer[m4: thinking of buying a house... should i go for it? https://www.zillow.comhttps://www.zillow.com/homedetails/45-Milliken-Rd-Bar-Harbor-ME-04609/113423350_zpid/ (kidding of course) ;-)
05:12 AM travis_farmer[m4: bad link copy https//www.zillow.com/homedetails/45-Milliken-Rd-Bar-Harbor-ME-04609/113423350_zpid/
05:13 AM JT-Cave: garage is too small
05:14 AM travis_farmer[m4: does seem odd to have only a 2 car garage...
05:15 AM XXCoder: its going to be cold lol
05:15 AM XXCoder: very high ceilings
05:16 AM travis_farmer[m4: colder than my current cement block house with no insulation?
05:16 AM XXCoder: its not as bad as some of those mcmasions but pretty bad lol
05:16 AM XXCoder: sort of. heat rises.
05:17 AM travis_farmer[m4: has an attractive living room, but too much space for me...
05:17 AM XXCoder: all those windows arent going to be good for isulation unless its fancy dense gas ones
05:18 AM travis_farmer[m4: for $11M, it better not be single-pane windows, lol
05:39 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
05:39 AM XXCoder: travis_farmer[m4: it probably is double panel, cheapest they can find
05:40 AM XXCoder: man I have saw horrors on mcmanason website
05:40 AM XXCoder: https://mcmansionhell.com/ behold!
05:44 AM TurBoss: what files i need to put in /lib/firmware/hm2 ? got the zip from mesa, mine is 6i25 with 7i76
05:46 AM JT-Cave: TurBoss, a 6i25 does not need firmware files the firmware is stored in the fpga
05:48 AM TurBoss: okay thanks
05:48 AM TurBoss: ini built by pncconf now complains about missing pin 😛
05:49 AM TurBoss: dp11.01.timer-us
05:49 AM TurBoss: or dpll
05:50 AM TurBoss: this is deafult linuxcnc from apt debian 12
05:51 AM JT-Cave: try making a configuration with my mesact
05:51 AM TurBoss: sure
05:51 AM TurBoss: give me min
05:51 AM TurBoss: mesact2?
05:51 AM JT-Cave: no, it's not ready yet
05:51 AM TurBoss: ok
05:51 AM JT-Cave: mesact
05:52 AM JT-Cave: do you know how to get a list of all pins and parameters?
05:52 AM TurBoss: of the card?
05:53 AM JT-Cave: yes
05:53 AM JT-Cave: brb
05:53 AM TurBoss: ok
06:01 AM JT-Cave: In terminal
06:01 AM JT-Cave: pci
06:01 AM JT-Cave: halrun
06:01 AM JT-Cave: loadrt hostmot2
06:01 AM JT-Cave: loadrt hm2_pci
06:01 AM JT-Cave: after getting pins and parameters
06:01 AM JT-Cave: quit
06:01 AM JT-Cave: In another terminal
06:01 AM JT-Cave: halcmd show all hm2 > 5i25-7i76-pins.txt
06:01 AM JT-Cave: halcmd show all hm2 > 5i25-7i77-pins.txt
06:01 AM TurBoss: oh didn't know thanks
06:01 AM TurBoss: taking note 😄
06:01 AM JT-Cave: start at halrun
06:01 AM JT-Cave: 6i25 pin names are 5i25
06:12 AM * TurBoss posted a file: (42KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/lqzOuLMBtXWnWsxyXRxETLhq/5i25_7276_pina.txt >
06:13 AM TurBoss: JT-Cave: sorry took some time to get the file on the internet
06:56 AM JT-Cave: TurBoss, mesact should build a working configuration for a 5i25/6i25 7i76 now
06:56 AM TurBoss: so i don't need to flash the card?
06:59 AM TurBoss: it says that i need to choose a firmware and for card and board but there are many for 5i25 + 7i76 combo 🙂
07:00 AM TurBoss: s/and//
07:03 AM TurBoss: i did a verify with 5i25_7i76x2.bit and did succes so thats what i have
07:08 AM JT-Cave: yup 5i25_7i76x2.bit is the one to use
07:09 AM JT-Cave: if the 6i25 already has that firmware you don't need to flash
07:09 AM TurBoss: ok
07:09 AM TurBoss: thanks
07:09 AM JT-Cave: click verify to check the 6i25 firmware
07:10 AM TurBoss: the axes tab is disabled?
07:10 AM TurBoss: sek
07:10 AM * TurBoss sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/93289c5def2a26fa397ed68df3e1db8cdaa28461
07:11 AM TurBoss: :)
07:11 AM JT-Cave: select a daughter card for P3
07:11 AM TurBoss: cant is empty
07:12 AM JT-Cave: then axis tab is enabled
07:12 AM * TurBoss uploaded an image: (76KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/vnFWxoBMFpcrzbAOhzPRsFsh/clipboard.png >
07:12 AM JT-Cave: do you have 5i25_7i76x2.bit selected in the firmware combo
07:13 AM JT-Cave: get a fresh copy of mesact I just fixed that 30 minutes ago
07:13 AM TurBoss: dook
07:13 AM TurBoss: ok
07:13 AM JT-Cave: it had a typo for 5i25_7i76x2.bit daughter card association
07:14 AM TurBoss: yeah!
07:16 AM TurBoss: it worked now
07:16 AM TurBoss: thanks
07:17 AM JT-Cave: awesome
07:17 AM JT-Cave: I can't wait to get mesact2 functioning well it's so much easier to use \
07:17 AM TurBoss: Q: how do i calculate the scale ? 😛
07:18 AM JT-Cave: pulses per mm for you
07:18 AM JT-Cave: step pulses
07:18 AM TurBoss: ok
07:19 AM TurBoss: config checked OK !
07:19 AM TurBoss: \o/ hurray!
07:27 AM TurBoss: default max error is empty had to put 0.0 in the thee axes
07:27 AM TurBoss: but loaded !
07:27 AM TurBoss: \o/
07:27 AM TurBoss: hurray
07:30 AM JT-Cave: did you press the default button for following error?
07:31 AM TurBoss: nope
07:31 AM TurBoss: do i need thoose values? are diferent from defaults
07:36 AM JT-Cave: yes you need the following error values
07:36 AM TurBoss: ok
07:37 AM TurBoss: done
07:40 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
08:12 AM Alden[m]: Had this problem before and forgot how I fixed it. Though I’m trying to download sheetcam on linuxcnc Debian 10 and none of their download links gives me a run-able program
08:13 AM Tom_L: https://forum.sheetcam.com/viewtopic.php?t=8651
08:15 AM Tom_L: https://www.sheetcam.com/downloads
08:23 AM Alden[m]: Yeah I download it and it just this:
08:23 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (4564KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/LbnrIoAdMgvRpJzSrUWXwtYf/IMG_1117.jpg >
08:23 AM Alden[m]: I make it executable though it doesn’t run as a program
09:12 AM Alden[m]: Any thoughts?
09:16 AM JT-Shop: run from a terminal to see what error you get
09:17 AM JT-Shop: it won't run on debian 12 due to dependency of libreadline7
09:19 AM Alden[m]: Run-sheetcam does nothing
09:22 AM JT-Woodshop: Run-sheetcam?
09:23 AM JT-Woodshop: in a terminal in the directory where the file is it's
09:23 AM JT-Woodshop: ./name-of-file.extension
09:25 AM JT-Woodshop: ls will list the files so you can copy and paste
09:26 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3833KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/ERJaaxeOdLCsDhShFwXXEiZA/IMG_1118.jpg >
09:28 AM JT-Cave: you need to be in the directory with the file
09:30 AM Alden[m]: I moved it to downloads as well as the file that comes from the 64 bit download. So I’m in the download folder
09:31 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3697KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/RhXGwvGzWMTpBSEoFYTbwVxA/IMG_1119.jpg >
09:34 AM JT-Shop: hmm, something is screwey
09:34 AM Alden[m]: I’m clearly not the best at this so it may be me entirely. Though I’ve done this before and it hasn’t given me such issues
09:35 AM Alden[m]: This is a freshly installed Linux system. On a bootable 36GB usb drive
09:35 AM JT-Shop: is debian installed?
09:36 AM Alden[m]: Yes, it’s Debian 10
09:37 AM JT-Shop: I just did ./SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin and it worked for me
09:38 AM JT-Shop: in the terminal you have to use the mouse to copy and paste ctrl c and ctrl v don't work
09:38 AM * JT-Shop goes to the other shop
09:39 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3833KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/FVvByqKyMdQPRnbIybwUMAKO/IMG_1120.jpg >
09:40 AM Alden[m]: I did that, it got me permission denied message which is an improvement
09:42 AM Alden[m]: Did it sudo, typed in the password, then it says command not found
09:43 AM JT-Woodshop: right click on the file and change the permissions to execute
09:43 AM JT-Woodshop: no sudo needed
09:44 AM Alden[m]: The one is
09:44 AM Alden[m]: The other one doesn’t give that option
09:45 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3679KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/WarzMTTPEkBmyXFOrtvpSbpa/IMG_1121.jpg >
09:47 AM Alden[m]: Oops mixed things up
09:47 AM JT-Woodshop: you need to change the properties on SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
09:47 AM Alden[m]: Though this doesn’t give that option
09:47 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3429KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/bnIhCNxJfHaAALAyLIcPnCWe/IMG_1122.jpg >
09:50 AM JT-Woodshop: for some reason the file is not owned by you see it's read only
09:50 AM Alden[m]: How do I fix that?
09:51 AM travis_farmer[m4: quick question, this line keeps giving me an error about exceeding the positive Z limit
09:51 AM travis_farmer[m4: G38.2 G90 Z0.75 F#<_ini[LASER_FOCUS]PROBE_SEARCH> (Probe move to work)
09:51 AM JT-Woodshop: https://linuxize.com/post/linux-chown-command/
09:52 AM JT-Woodshop: Z all the way up is usually 0 so any positive number is beyond the limit
09:52 AM travis_farmer[m4: i change it to negative and it probes up...
09:53 AM travis_farmer[m4: should my G90 be a G91?
09:54 AM JT-Woodshop: sounds like z is setup backwards
09:55 AM JT-Shop: z- goes down and z+ the tool goes up
09:56 AM travis_farmer[m4: ok, i think it is working now... changed to G91, and negative numbers
09:59 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g90-g91
09:59 AM JT-Shop: a good read
10:03 AM Alden[m]: Read up on the link you sent about Chown. I didn’t know that downloaded files don’t automatically have ownership for all users. I’m having trouble understanding how to make it just general access
10:05 AM JT-Woodshop: you chown to your pc name
10:06 AM Alden[m]: The pc name is nfstring I believe and that’s what I chown-ed it to
10:08 AM JT-Woodshop: ls -l will show the owner and group for all files
10:09 AM JT-Woodshop: note: that's lower case L's
10:10 AM Alden[m]: Yup, all nfstring
10:10 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3281KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/wWXiJrbpcrTmcYzrBCofihlC/IMG_1123.jpg >
10:10 AM Alden[m]: Still no executable command
10:11 AM Alden[m]: Though I can change it to read & write
10:12 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3225KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/OmrRjXemCucwWerKnnECRzSH/IMG_1124.jpg >
10:13 AM JT-Woodshop: glue up done heading to the machine shop
10:14 AM JT-Shop: the right terminal is just directories
10:15 AM Alden[m]: It shows though what the files names are under right?
10:15 AM JT-Shop: user and USER mean users named user or USER
10:16 AM Alden[m]: It’s set to nfstring
10:16 AM JT-Shop: if you want to use the user variable you need to say $USER
10:16 AM pcw---home: alden: If you want that file to be executable you would use chmod +x filename
10:17 AM JT-Shop: pcw---home, it shows as read only in an earlier screen shot
10:17 AM JT-Shop: and good morning Peter
10:18 AM JT-Shop: not to cornfuse you Alden[m] but an example of using the $USER variable is echo $USER
10:19 AM JT-Shop: so in your terminal you need to cd to the Downloads directory then do ls -l
10:19 AM JT-Shop: that will show the owner group and permissions for the files
10:20 AM * JT-Shop wonders if Alden[m] is using Firefox to download and it's "blocking unknown files" or changing them to read only
10:21 AM Alden[m]: I am using Firefox. It’s the default. Should I change that and try that again?
10:21 AM JT-Shop: -rwxr-xr-x 1 john john 29068184 Jun 22 09:35 SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
10:21 AM Alden[m]: I’m reading everything you’re saying. I’m trying stuff and trying to understand it all
10:21 AM JT-Shop: I don't have ff blocking downloads
10:21 AM JT-Shop: understand
10:22 AM JT-Shop: so for now if you open a fresh terminal do cd Downloads then ls -l
10:24 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (2839KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/VLJUZTYREWhQHRYaByZhuNSN/IMG_1125.jpg >
10:26 AM JT-Shop: so the .bin file is not executable and as Peter said you can do chmod +x SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
10:26 AM JT-Shop: then ls -l
10:26 AM JT-Shop: and it should match my post above
10:27 AM * JT-Shop hopes we get this sorted out soon... about to leave with the visiting daughter and wife
10:27 AM roycroft: alden: chmod 755 SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
10:27 AM roycroft: ./SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
10:32 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3781KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/aKGZufJnYIrUBAqzTFZBjlfh/IMG_1126.jpg >
10:33 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3751KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/GvTQIZVsDyxtQaBiPrDogwXQ/IMG_1127.jpg >
10:34 AM JT-Shop: that looks correct
10:34 AM JT-Shop: does it run with the line roycroft posted?
10:35 AM Alden[m]: It does not
10:35 AM Alden[m]: The second picture was me doing his command
10:35 AM JT-Shop: what is the error?
10:35 AM Alden[m]: I am not sure
10:36 AM roycroft: alden: those are two separate commands
10:36 AM roycroft: if you want to run them on a single line do this:
10:36 AM Alden[m]: Ah okay
10:36 AM roycroft: chmod 755 SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin; ./SheetCam_setupV7.1.33-64.bin
10:36 AM roycroft: the semi-colon separates them
10:37 AM roycroft: that *should* start up the installer
10:37 AM Alden[m]: That seems to have worked
10:37 AM Alden[m]: Let me check
10:39 AM Alden[m]: So it did the installer and I’m currently trying to figure out how to actually run the program
10:39 AM JT-Shop: should be on the menu
10:40 AM JT-Shop: my plasma pc is not plugged in or I'd look where it was installed
10:42 AM Alden[m]: Yup
10:42 AM Alden[m]: It work
10:42 AM Alden[m]: Thank you
10:43 AM Alden[m]: So what was the problem? It didn’t seem like it was wrong permissions
10:43 AM roycroft: the permissions of the download are incorrect
10:43 AM roycroft: the first command i gave you set the permissions correctly so you could execute the installer
10:43 AM roycroft: the second command actually executed the installer
10:44 AM Alden[m]: Why would it download with the wrong permissions?
10:44 AM roycroft: your browser probably did that to help protect you from malware
10:44 AM JT-Shop: yup
10:45 AM roycroft: and it's an easy fix, once you get to the heart of the matter
10:47 AM Alden[m]: I’d like to get to the heart of it if possible. Thank you for you guys help
10:49 AM Alden[m]: On top of that I want to make a desktop shortcut for sheetcam. I can’t seem to find out how
10:50 AM roycroft: ln -s $HOME/sheetcamtng/run-sheetcam $HOME/Desktop
10:50 AM roycroft: try that - it may work
10:50 AM roycroft: or it may not
10:51 AM roycroft: it won't break anything, though
10:53 AM JT-Shop: usually you can right click on the menu and get a desktop shortcut
10:58 AM JT-Shop: a no frills no issue way to download a file is wget
11:06 AM * Alden[m] uploaded an image: (3340KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/tGjSEcYQduFqLWQmsiZKCMpY/IMG_1128.jpg >
11:06 AM Alden[m]: Creates it but can’t double click it and it’s already executable
11:07 AM Alden[m]: When I right click it just opens the program
11:07 AM Alden[m]: That is the menu selection
11:14 AM JT-Shop: from the Applications menu find sheet cam and right click on the menu item then add to desktop
11:14 AM JT-Shop: the shortcut on the desktop is to run sheetcam
11:14 AM * JT-Shop heads for French Village
11:20 AM Alden[m]: Under the applications menu there is a graphical option. Which is the only place that sheetcam show up. When I click that right click or left click it only opens the program
11:21 AM Alden[m]: I got it, I just dragged it
11:21 AM travis_farmer[m4: hmmm, inside a g-code macro, how do i get it to display the value of a variable #<laser_ride_height> for debugging?
11:22 AM travis_farmer[m4: nvm, found it...
11:25 AM roycroft: i don't use linux much for a workstation, so i'm not the best to advise on desktop shortcuts and the like
11:26 AM Alden[m]: I figured it out, just a very simple thing lol. I had to drag it I couldn’t right click
11:30 AM * travis_farmer[m4 wishes he had an A/C in the shop... and no, a swamp-cooler won't be enough ;-)
11:32 AM perry_j1987: grab a portable ac unit off marketplace travis_farmer[m4
11:32 AM perry_j1987: set it down near you and you're good to go
11:34 AM travis_farmer[m4: i have zero money right now, unfortunately. i would love a portable A/C unit
11:40 AM perry_j1987: always offer a trade
11:41 AM perry_j1987: no precious gems or gold kickin around the shop?
11:41 AM travis_farmer[m4: no gold or gems...
11:42 AM perry_j1987: got a raspberry pi 4 heh
11:42 AM perry_j1987: can hawk it
11:52 AM roycroft: an rip 4 is worth more then bitcoin these days, isn't it?
11:52 AM roycroft: rpi 4, rather
12:19 PM perry_j1987: feels like it heh
12:24 PM Tom_L: spare MB arrived
12:47 PM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
01:15 PM jpa-: roycroft: maybe they are supposed to install stuff they need :)
01:15 PM roycroft: but everyone needs strings(1) upon occasion
01:24 PM perry_j1987: Debian *No strings(1) attached
01:30 PM Unterhausen: tbh, I have never used it
01:31 PM Unterhausen: usually I just grep for whatever I want to find
01:31 PM roycroft: grep doesn't work well with binary files
01:31 PM roycroft: that's why strings exists
01:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I think I'm going to jump ship from interserver for many reasons including that they didn't give you a commission when I joined.
01:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Any suggestions for a new web host?
01:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: pm me with a link that gives you credit
01:48 PM roycroft: i'm using vultr.com these days, and am fairly happy with them
01:49 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if they have a referral program or not, but i'm not concerned about that
01:49 PM roycroft: thanks for thinking of me though
01:49 PM roycroft: i'm kind of up in the air about hosting services
01:50 PM roycroft: i'm really tired of doing it work, but when i retire, it would be an easy way to generate supplemental revenue
01:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a soon as you find a good one they get worse :(
01:51 PM roycroft: i may just want to walk away from that business completely, especially if the woodworking/signmaking business takes off
01:51 PM * roycroft is dealing with hacked websited and poorly-documented changes to important utilities today, again
01:52 PM roycroft: the it stuff isn't fun any more
01:53 PM roycroft: i'm not sure whether i should blame the russians for that, or the millennials
01:53 PM roycroft: so i'll do the safe thing and blame canada
01:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Russian Millennials
01:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well our generation screwed things up
01:54 PM roycroft: let them eat poutine
01:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: right tom?
01:55 PM roycroft: it looks like the submarine-like thing is no more
01:55 PM roycroft: some recovered debris appears to be part of the hull of the vessel
01:55 PM travis_farmer[m4: yeah, i just heard that myself
01:55 PM roycroft: that's sad
01:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: careful solarwind will come down to your house and put gravy in your shoes while you are asleep
01:55 PM solarwind: wow
01:56 PM solarwind: speak of the devil
01:56 PM solarwind: What I was about to say before I was so rudely interrupted was that metal prices have appeared to decrease?
01:56 PM solarwind: I'm helping my neighbour remove 2 huge boilers (1960s era I guess) from the local school
01:56 PM solarwind: looks like pressure vessel grade steel, but I can't tell without an XRF gun or something
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: it's still a submarine, but now it's just smaller
01:57 PM solarwind: half of it is going to scrap and the rest of it is how ever much I can haul off with a cargo van and 6'12' trailer
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and in more pieces
01:57 PM solarwind: a lot of 1/2" plate and it looks very good with very little porosity unlike a lot of structural steel
01:58 PM solarwind: and there seems to be very very little corrosion. Like just surface rust
01:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just like new from the mill
01:58 PM solarwind: actually yeah, it's almost that good
01:59 PM solarwind: so I'm guessing it is corrosion resistant, high temperature creep resistant
01:59 PM roycroft: a well-made and maintained boiler should look like that
01:59 PM solarwind: I'm going to weld together some steel racks right now so I can haul off as much as possible
02:01 PM solarwind: it's the kind of steel that would otherwise be expensive to buy when you need it. 1/2" plate is super useful for machining things.
02:02 PM roycroft: please to send me a chunk
02:02 PM roycroft: i need a better welding table
02:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: how much poutine can fit in the old boilers?
02:03 PM solarwind: You'd definitely be able to take whatever you want if you were here. The scrapyard is only paying $300/ton and the neighbour doesn't care about pocket change like that
02:03 PM roycroft: my f350 gets about 15mpg
02:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how far is it from Portlandia to Shitts Creek?
02:04 PM roycroft: the fuel expense would, i think, be prohibitive
02:04 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] they're about 2m wide x 4m long x 3m tall
02:04 PM roycroft: 4000km or so?
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 24 cubic meter of poutine
02:05 PM roycroft: 4247km from eug to gta, according to teh google maps
02:06 PM roycroft: so roughly $2k in fuel there and back
02:07 PM roycroft: and the return trip would have lower fuel economy
02:07 PM roycroft: due to prevailing winds and the extra weight of the load
02:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not economically sound for retrieving old iron but if you hauled back premium poutine and resold it the it might make sense
02:09 PM pere: anyone here able to reproduce <URL: https://bugs.debian.org/1038895 > in FreeCAD on Debian Bookworm?
02:10 PM roycroft: maple syrup would be a more premium load
02:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the cost of the ingredients needed to make one plate of poutine is about $1.50. When we looked at the prices on American menus, a plate of poutine can cost up to $14, but most are around $8 per serving.
02:11 PM roycroft: i just heard a weird and puzzling statistic on the cbc
02:11 PM roycroft: a listener was asking why there are more truck ads during televised hockey games than baseball games
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: eh?
02:12 PM roycroft: and the answer was that the average canadian hockey viewer is 34% more likely to buy a truck than the average canadian
02:12 PM roycroft: while the average baseball viewer is 57% less likely to buy a truck than the average canadian
02:12 PM roycroft: i wonder why hockey fans like trucks so much more than baseball fans
02:13 PM roycroft: and i wonder if those statistics are similar in the usa
02:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: do they broadcast hockey games on the radio up there similar to uhmerican baseball games?
02:13 PM roycroft: of course they do, capthindsight
02:14 PM roycroft: and when i lived in chicago the black hawk games were broadcast on the radio
02:14 PM roycroft: lloyd pettit was the announcer, and was on wgn for a while and wbbm for a while
02:15 PM roycroft: i do not recall poutine being served at the chicago stadium, though, so perhaps that wasn't real hockey
02:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah but that's uhmerica
02:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Canadians have all sorts of different traditions
02:17 PM roycroft: i actually haven't been to a hockey game since the late '60s
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they have moose for pets for instance vs cats and dogs
02:18 PM roycroft: my family were baseball fans
02:18 PM roycroft: and even worse, white sox fans
02:18 PM roycroft: i was the renegate cubs fan in the family
02:18 PM roycroft: the proverbial black sheep
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they play baseball in french
02:18 PM roycroft: renegade, rather
03:29 PM roycroft: did the french academy make up native french words for "ball" and "strike" that are no loan words from english?
03:30 PM * roycroft imagines the french term for "strike" might translate to "your mother smells like elderberry"
03:33 PM Unterhausen: I swear I just saw the french word for strike recently
03:33 PM Unterhausen: ball is balloon
03:34 PM Unterhausen: sorry, ballon
03:35 PM roycroft: frappe, i think
03:35 PM Unterhausen: that's if you hit
03:36 PM Unterhausen: strike is prise
03:36 PM Unterhausen: according to bard anyway
03:36 PM Unterhausen: walk is but sur balles
03:36 PM roycroft: ta mère sent le sureau
03:37 PM roycroft: anyway
03:37 PM roycroft: canadian french is not bound by the rules of french french
03:38 PM roycroft: just as the french french do not feel obligated to ever taste poutin
03:38 PM Unterhausen: no, but I laugh whenever I hear someone that speaks Quebecois because of a French TV show
03:39 PM Unterhausen: nothing funny about a Quebecois accent in and of itself
03:39 PM roycroft: my clamp extenders have arrived
03:39 PM roycroft: i can glue up those slabs today after work
03:42 PM XXCoder: nice
03:43 PM roycroft: yeah, but now i have to decide what glue to use
03:44 PM roycroft: it's between titebond iii and west systems epoxy
03:44 PM roycroft: but i have a couple hours to figure that out
04:10 PM * Tom_L suggests animal glue
04:10 PM XXCoder: that'd be nicely reversable. might not be wanted though lol
04:13 PM Tom_L: good i have another of these MB. the sheet that came with it is in chinese
04:13 PM travis_farmer[m4: lol
04:28 PM roycroft: hide glue would not be suitable, as this countertop will live outdoors
04:29 PM travis_farmer[m4: tite-bond III ?
04:29 PM Tom_L: epoxy then
04:33 PM XXCoder: hmm all those rivers.. what about the ocean table? ;)
04:45 PM roycroft: titebond iii is suitable for outdoor use
04:45 PM roycroft: it will come down to how accurately i've cut the boards
04:45 PM roycroft: if they fight tightly then titebond iii will do
04:45 PM roycroft: if not, then i'll need epoxy
04:46 PM * roycroft smells smoke, and wonders what is on fire
04:46 PM XXCoder: probably canada
04:46 PM XXCoder: or calfornia
04:48 PM roycroft: i see smoke off in the distance, and i hear a bunch of sirens
04:54 PM roycroft: there is a protected wetland next to an industrial park over where the smoke is - transients have started fires in the wetland many times in the past, so i think that's most likely what's going on
04:55 PM * travis_farmer[m4 signs off to eat a sausage and bacon pizza ;-)
05:01 PM roycroft: not a spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, egg, sausage, and spam pizza?
05:01 PM RbCaVi[m] is now known as rbcavi0[m]
05:16 PM skunkworks[m]: I don't like spam!
05:22 PM Tom_L: fried spam
05:22 PM Tom_L: haven't had that in probably 30+ yrs
05:23 PM Tom_L: don't miss it either
05:48 PM roycroft: so talk about frankenstein fasteners
05:48 PM roycroft: first of all, what's up with you, bessey?
05:48 PM roycroft: the new clamp extenders i got are nice, but i had to deburr the holes
05:49 PM roycroft: how they ever got out of germany like that i do not know
05:49 PM roycroft: but the bolts are m12, the bolt heads take a 3/4" wrench, and the nuts take an m18 wrench
05:49 PM roycroft: and no, m19 is too loose on the bolt heads
05:49 PM roycroft: this is GERMANY, not canadia
05:49 PM roycroft: how did that happen?
05:52 PM Tom_L: canadian subcontractors
05:52 PM XXCoder: and china sub-subcontractors?
06:04 PM XXCoder: jackman and his camper. crazy build
06:04 PM Darrick255[m] is now known as darrick2550[m]
06:18 PM Unterhausen: someone wants me to answer questions about lcnc on fb messenger
06:50 PM * roycroft blames canada anyway, as that's always the easiest option
06:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Canadians politely fill roycroft's shoes with gravy while he is distracted
06:54 PM XXCoder: gravy
06:54 PM XXCoder: nahh
06:54 PM XXCoder: maple
06:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: poutine gravy
06:55 PM XXCoder: oh that reminds me
06:55 PM XXCoder: did they ever recover that millions dollar maple stolen?
06:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/03/31/ringleader-of-great-canadian-maple-syrup-heist-ordered-to-pay-multi-million-dollar-fine/?sh=44f8cb6e6ab0
06:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that theft or a different one?
06:56 PM XXCoder: didnt know there was more than one
06:58 PM roycroft: sounds like that guy is in a sticky situation
06:58 PM XXCoder: yep
07:00 PM Tom_L: sticky fingers
07:00 PM roycroft: i'm going to have to use some pipe clamps for my glue-up, and i'm tired of coming up with makeshift ways of preventing them from staining the wood, so i'm going to go make some protective sleeves for them on the lathe before gluing the slabs together
07:01 PM roycroft: it's something i've been meaning to do for years, but recently i've been not putting stuff like that off any longer, even when i'm in a hurry
07:01 PM Tom_L: i put wood scrap between
07:01 PM roycroft: i usually use waxed paper or masking tape or something
07:02 PM roycroft: the pipes are 3/4" black pipe
07:02 PM Tom_L: yeah i have some
07:02 PM roycroft: i got a bag of 3/4" pvc couplers for water lines
07:02 PM XXCoder: that restoration guy always use brown plastic tape on wood thats tightened against part to be clamped together
07:02 PM roycroft: the inside bore is 2mm smaller than the pipe's diameter, and they have thos ridges in the middle of the couple
07:02 PM XXCoder: so epoxy or other kinds of glue dont stick to it
07:03 PM roycroft: so i'm just going throw them on the lathe and use a boring bar to make them fit
07:03 PM roycroft: that will be a neat, permanent solution - they can stay on the clamps all the time
07:03 PM roycroft: and can slide back and forth to adjust to whatever spacing is needed
07:03 PM roycroft: i wonder if i can do 10 of them in a half hour
07:03 PM roycroft: if so, i can still do my glue-up today
07:04 PM * roycroft gets the timer ready and heads out to see how fast he can do it
07:04 PM Tom_L: drill them with a saw bit
07:06 PM Tom_L: the thing that will slow ya down is the birdsnest around the boring bar
07:17 PM CAKESLOB: dont let the "german" factor fool you
07:17 PM CAKESLOB: i get bad stuff from germany all the time
07:17 PM CAKESLOB: from the other big clamp company
07:18 PM CAKESLOB: $500 robot grippers
07:18 PM CAKESLOB: some dont open, some are missing tapped screws, some arent ground
07:19 PM XXCoder: does it say "assembled in germany" and such?
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: ha, no they were german made, and had a huge lead time
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: had to send back around 10
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: i complained to them a few weeks ago at a confrence in detroit
07:21 PM CAKESLOB: then I complained to SDP-SI , that they arent metric enough
07:21 PM CAKESLOB: but the gripper guy said they were re-tooling their their whole process, then he gave me a pen
07:22 PM CAKESLOB: its wierd, they actually also mix metric and imperial now that I think about it
07:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: well you know what else came from Germany?
07:23 PM CAKESLOB: yes
07:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: blame the Bavarians
07:24 PM CAKESLOB: for my dad, ww2 happened yesterday, so i blame them for many things
07:26 PM CAKESLOB: im thinking the imperial mix, the original company was probablyu american, then baught by the german coomgolmerate
07:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: years ago I did service calls for Sony, you wouldn't believe how many people were angry that their adult children bought them a "Jap" TV
07:31 PM CAKESLOB: lol, but yeah another uptight manufacturing country
08:03 PM roycroft: well it tooks me about 5 minutes to set up the lathe, and less than 10 minutes to machine all the couplers
08:03 PM roycroft: since it was pvc, i could do it in a single pass
08:07 PM XXCoder: nie
08:08 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CountertopGlueUp.jpeg
08:08 PM roycroft: and it was a titebond iii day
08:08 PM XXCoder: nice as no mark seperator
08:08 PM roycroft: the joinery was good enough to use that
08:08 PM XXCoder: without lifting it whole time as tighten
08:08 PM roycroft: yeah, those sleeves are great
08:09 PM XXCoder: is it fixed or do it move up and down?
08:09 PM roycroft: i should have made them years ago
08:09 PM roycroft: is what fixed?
08:09 PM roycroft: the blocks underneath the lower clamps?
08:10 PM XXCoder: no those sleeves
08:10 PM roycroft: oh
08:10 PM roycroft: no, they're not
08:11 PM roycroft: i bored them with about 0.008" clearance
08:11 PM roycroft: so they slide easily
08:11 PM * roycroft only measured the first one, and assumes the rest are similar
08:12 PM XXCoder: not a whole lot of precison needed
08:12 PM roycroft: no
08:14 PM roycroft: so now i need to make sleeves for the rest of my pipe clamps, although i very rarely use them any more
08:14 PM roycroft: i use my bessey parallel clamps (the big red ones in the picture) for almost everything
08:14 PM roycroft: but for this, i had to join two of the besseys together to get one that was long enough, and i ran out of them
08:15 PM roycroft: anyway, those sleeves cost me $3.75 + 15 minutes
08:15 PM roycroft: i'd say they're a bargain
08:17 PM XXCoder: yah
08:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.dvidshub.net/video/888022/coast-guard-holds-press-briefing-about-discovery-debris-belonging-21-ft-submersible-titan
08:49 PM roycroft: it is sad that that expedition ended up as it did, but not totally unexpected
08:49 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:50 PM roycroft: this is not a good year for outdoor concerts
08:50 PM roycroft: there was a shooting at the gorge the other day
08:50 PM roycroft: and hail at red rocks injured over 100 concert-goers
08:50 PM roycroft: i'm going to an outdoor concert tomorrow night
08:50 PM roycroft: i hope nothing bad happens there
08:54 PM Tom_L: do you clamp that board to the table to keep it flat too?
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09:05 PM roycroft: no
09:06 PM roycroft: i keep it flat by adjusting the tension on the upper and lower clamps
09:06 PM roycroft: and it's not perfectly flat, but it's close
09:06 PM roycroft: i'll finish flattening it with the router sled after the glue is dry
09:08 PM roycroft: and this is a counter top for a booth at the country fair
09:08 PM roycroft: it does not need to be perfectly flat in the first place
09:08 PM roycroft: it just needs to look good