#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 14 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:43 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:20 AM Tom_L: morning
04:20 AM Tom_L: 62°F & T-storms
04:21 AM travis_farmer[m]: 59F high of 72F, PM thunderstorms
04:25 AM travis_farmer[m]: hmmm, windowz needs to restart for an update. brb (i hope)
04:30 AM travis_farmer[m]: there, back. didn't take as long as i thought :-)
04:45 AM TurBoss: Morning
05:38 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
05:39 AM * travis_farmer[m] pops a Jimmy Dean breakfast bowl into the microwave...
05:48 AM Deejay: hi
06:29 AM travis_farmer[m]: hey JT, my package arrived in Maine, finally! the way USPS works in Maine, i should get it by the end of the week, or so. ;-) i don't understand why Maine does not honor "Priority Mail" class, and delivers it as standard rate mail. even though it says it is estimated delivery today, i would be extremely surprised if it showed up today. maybe i will pay the extra for UPS delivery from now on...
06:42 AM JT-Cave: come rain or snow or sleet or hail eventually your package will get there
06:42 AM travis_farmer[m]: yup, lol
06:43 AM JT-Cave: must be sun spots messing up usps your's is not the only package that has taken a side trip
06:44 AM travis_farmer[m]: or wildfire redirection
06:53 AM Loetmichel: JT-Cave: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
06:54 AM Loetmichel: from my experience: the average IQ of postal workers is below room temperature. And thats with knowing a few really intelligent ones
06:56 AM JT-Cave: LOL
06:59 AM Loetmichel: JT-Cave: there is a reason i had to do THAT: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12503&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
07:01 AM Loetmichel: (Warning to not DARE to put another (third) "not met" message in the mailbox while i am there)
07:03 AM Scopeuk: had a friend experience similar with another courier, he recieved a "no one available to review package" message, he replied to customer support with the video clip of the van driving across the entrance without stopping
07:03 AM Loetmichel: ... well, he did. even removed the sticker. about 6 hours later he was out of a job. Sending a bunch of documentation with pictures of the slips to his superior after retrieving the package in question from the post office where he was starting from and ranting a bit seems to do that.
07:04 AM Loetmichel: <- can be a bit vindictive when angered enough
07:04 AM JT-Cave: UPS started dropping off packages by the road and marking the delivery "gated" I've never shut the gate in 23 years so I left a note down by the end of the driveway
07:05 AM JT-Cave: only to find out his beef was with the overhanging trees on my driveway
07:05 AM JT-Cave: a driveway manicure and now no more packages found by the road
07:05 AM travis_farmer[m]: tell him to drive faster, and the branches aren't a problem
07:06 AM travis_farmer[m]: ;-)
07:06 AM XXCoder: reminds me of that story someone told me. usps driver hid package in reycle bin
07:06 AM XXCoder: and it was pickup day... and was emptied
07:07 AM XXCoder: or was that fedex?
07:07 AM JT-Cave: oh crap
07:07 AM XXCoder: yeah fedex
07:07 AM Loetmichel: JT-Cave: i have a "drop on the balcony" agreement with DHL. Its in their system NO idea why he put three "noone there" slips into the mailbox instead of simply throwing the package over the balcony railing.
07:08 AM JT-Cave: FedEx has a leave under carport recording that plays when they scan a package for me
07:08 AM JT-Cave: one guy had to put the box under the carport and take a photo with his scanner
07:09 AM Loetmichel: maybe he was to short? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16074&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
07:10 AM Loetmichel: (i mean: the railing of the balcony IS at about 180cm above ground...
07:10 AM Loetmichel: )
07:12 AM JT-Cave: that is pretty high for a height challenged person
07:13 AM travis_farmer[m]: i have almost reached the point of losing all faith in humanity. humanity just seems to be going downhill, as a whole.
07:16 AM Loetmichel: JT-Cave: should still be possible. Its not like that package was heavy. literally "throw" it . There is a cushion behind the railing ;)
07:42 AM JT-Cave: I think I'm down to one bug on mesact2 update ini adding a gantry to a config creates one extra axis section...
07:51 AM JT-Cave: ok I think ini update bugs have all been squashed
07:51 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
08:20 AM travis_farmer[m]: yup, mail delivered and no package. progress is further delayed...
08:51 AM JT-Cave: gives you another day to ponder it
09:05 AM solarwind: Why are pressure gauges glycerin filled instead of oil?
09:05 AM solarwind: For example the Winters air pressure gauges
09:17 AM Scopeuk: it's google vs knowing but https://blog.wika.com/products/filling-liquids-pressure-gauges-usage-advantages/
09:17 AM Scopeuk: lists it off as glycerin lets you stress the mechanism less if you are working at lower pressures
10:00 AM thorhian[m]: Holy crud those stepper online kits are crazy cheap.
10:04 AM sensille: thorhian[m]: even worse, they work
10:06 AM thorhian[m]: I’m planning/designing a new build for down the road. Not happening anytime soon though, but I’m trying to properly CAD it out and do some FEM for heftier moving gantry build, made of either some home made High performance concrete or epoxy granite along with aluminum or steel embedded in the composites.
11:26 AM roycroft: it looks like a big black systainer with a white lid will be delivered to me tomorrow - and the contents should be a lot of fun
11:28 AM roycroft: i guess i have from now until then to develop a workflow to export .sldprt files to .svg efficiently
12:25 PM roycroft: it looks like the best workflow folks recommend is sldprt->.ai, then load in illustrator and convert to .svg
12:25 PM roycroft: that sucks
12:27 PM roycroft: of course, the nice folks at shaper suggest that i subscribe to their shaper studio product (for a low monthly cost) and do my development work there
12:28 PM roycroft: note that shaper studio is not a 3d parametric cad system
12:28 PM Tom_L: https://sendeyo.com/onlineconverter/en/sldprt/svg
12:29 PM Tom_L: sldprt -> dxf -> svg another option
12:30 PM roycroft: i'll check that out
12:30 PM roycroft: i have illustrator, but an older mac os version
12:30 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sAjQCnTtX8
12:30 PM roycroft: and that's the problem -i'd have to export .sldprt to .ai on the cad workstation, then go over to a mac to do the .ai -> .svg conversion
12:31 PM roycroft: the data files are stored on a nas, and shared between the machines, so no file transfer stuff involved, but it still means using two computers to do the job
12:31 PM Tom_L: just 2?
12:32 PM djdelorie: I've got a new hal comp and an update to the wj200 module; do I need to do anything before sending in a git PR ?
12:32 PM roycroft: i was kind of surprised that solidworks does not export to .svg
12:32 PM Tom_L: i've ended up using 3 to get from A to B sometimes
12:32 PM djdelorie: (besides extracting it from my machine and making sure it works against git ;)
12:32 PM Tom_L: Use the ExportSVG command to save the current view to an SVG file (Scalable Vector Graphics Format). To create an SVG file from a drawing: Type ExportSVG.
12:33 PM roycroft: i wonder if autocad will export to svg
12:33 PM Tom_L: that was concerning solidworks ^^
12:33 PM roycroft: i have autocad and solidworks installed on the same machine
12:33 PM roycroft: huh?
12:33 PM roycroft: solidworks help files don't talk about that at all
12:33 PM roycroft: hmm
12:33 PM roguish[m]: djdelorie: don't forget the documentation that goes into the file, and gets incorporated in the man docs.
12:33 PM Tom_L: https://help.solidworks.com/2020/english/DraftSight/html/hlpid_imex_svgout.htm?format=P&value=
12:33 PM * roycroft wanders over to the cad workstation for a bit
12:34 PM djdelorie: roguish[m]: yeah, I wrote the documentation already, to keep it all straight in my mind
12:34 PM Tom_L: To create an SVG file from a drawing:
12:34 PM Tom_L: Type ExportSVG.
12:34 PM Tom_L: In the dialog box, specify the following:
12:34 PM Tom_L: Save in: Navigate to the folder where you want to store the file.
12:34 PM Tom_L: File name: Type a name for the file.
12:34 PM Tom_L: Click Save.
12:35 PM djdelorie: I was thinking more like legal paperwork, above and beyond the signed-off-by
12:36 PM roguish[m]: djdelorie: just be a clear and straightforward as you can in the PR, and go for it...
12:37 PM djdelorie: heh. "Always push the button. At the very least, it will teach them to write better software."
12:38 PM roycroft: tom_l: that is draftsight, not solidworks
12:41 PM Guido2665[m] is now known as guidomake0[m]
12:42 PM roycroft: autocad does not export to svg
12:45 PM roycroft: there's an app called vector magic that alleges to do all the vector conversion
12:46 PM roycroft: it's $295 for the stand-alone version, with two licenses, and it runs on mac os and windows
12:46 PM roycroft: if it works that's probably the easiest way to do it, but i'm dubious
12:46 PM roycroft: i think i need a trial version and i need to beat it up heavily before deciding to invest the $295
12:47 PM roycroft: my vinyl cutter and laser engraver/cutter like svg files, so having flexibility in being able to produce them would benefit those machines as well as the shaper origin
12:49 PM roycroft: oh, that stuff does not do vector to vector conversions at all - it's raster to vector
12:57 PM roycroft: i found a dxf to svg converter utility for windows,and i can get a trial version to test before buying it
12:57 PM roycroft: i'm not interested in a web/cloud-based converter, even if it does not cost me any money
01:04 PM Unterhausen: I'm curious if .ai to svg translation are all that bad, aren't they both vector formats?
01:04 PM roycroft: they are, and they should be non-lossy
01:05 PM roycroft: the only tricky bit might be scaling
01:25 PM Daneel[m] is now known as daneel_se0[m]
01:45 PM pc179[m] is now known as observerqwq0[m]
02:08 PM travis_farmer[m4: there, just got back from my cellular provider, as my phone crapped out (mic failed). i was on an samsung A12 (old, i know), and now i have a A54 :-)
02:11 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, lightburn license also had galvo included for some reason...
02:23 PM NMC[m] is now known as nmc09120[m]
02:36 PM youhouka[m]: Can I execute a gcode command from a hal pin?
02:36 PM roycroft: that's odd
02:36 PM roycroft: the galvo license costs a lot more normally
02:40 PM roycroft: oh
02:40 PM JT-Shop: that's what I thought
02:40 PM roycroft: read this, jt-shop: https://lightburnsoftware.com/blogs/news/lightburn-1-2-00-galvo-fiber-support-and-a-bunch-more
02:40 PM roycroft: it's a trial license that's included in the 1.2 release for everyone
02:49 PM roycroft: do folks with laser cutters think this might be effective for my small laser machine, if i'm not able to exhaust to the outside initially: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXD8JYLB ?
02:50 PM travis_farmer[m4: i have heard of similar being used, never tried myself
02:51 PM roycroft: i have a big window right behind where the laser will be located and it has a screen window
02:51 PM roycroft: but i'll need to build a new screen frame for it, and install a panel for the exhaust hose from the laser fan
02:51 PM roycroft: that's going take some time, and i'm thinking about a temporary way to use it without the external exhaust
02:52 PM roycroft: i just realized that my days of fighting with hole saws may be mostlyh over
02:52 PM travis_farmer[m4: get a CO detector with a display on it, and set it up to see how much comes through the filter
02:52 PM youhouka[m]: because they're awful?
02:52 PM roycroft: with the shaper origin i should be able to cut holes of any arbitrary size quite accurately and easily
02:53 PM youhouka[m]: within the rules of workholding, yeah
02:53 PM roycroft: i don't even have the thing yet and i'm continually finding things it will do better/more easily than how i do them now
02:54 PM roycroft: what rules of workholding?
02:54 PM roycroft: you mean "infinity"? :)
02:54 PM youhouka[m]: well, a hole saw only needed one hole (the center) to keep it in place
02:54 PM youhouka[m]: this seems like it will need at least two holes outside the cutting area
02:54 PM roycroft: the size of the hole i can cut with a shaper origin is limited only by my pocketbook
02:54 PM roycroft: i.e. the cost of enough shaper tape to define the area
02:55 PM youhouka[m]: yes, but my point is that you need to drill two small holes to mount it in places before you can cut things with it, right?
02:55 PM roycroft: i need to fixture the workpiece somehow
02:55 PM roycroft: but if i want to cut a hole 18m in diameter, and i have a workpiece big enough for that, i can do so
02:55 PM youhouka[m]: so like... if you need to put a hole in a wall... you might not want to put screws in to gypsum board to hold it up there just to cut a 2" hole
02:56 PM roycroft: there is double stick tape
02:56 PM roycroft: or other means of fixturing
02:56 PM youhouka[m]: good point
02:56 PM youhouka[m]: so maybe this works great
02:56 PM roycroft: and i said "mostly over", not "over" :)
02:56 PM roycroft: it's rare that a new tool completely replaces the functionality of another tool
02:56 PM roycroft: but there's significant overlap
02:56 PM youhouka[m]: seems neat
02:57 PM roycroft: actually, with the origin, if i wanted to cut a hole in a wall, all i would need is to apply shaper tape to the wall
02:57 PM roycroft: which is easily removable
02:57 PM Tom_L: youhouka[m], Can I execute a gcode command from a hal pin...: yes with MDI_COMMAND you can call a subroutine
02:57 PM Tom_L: and attach that to a pin
02:57 PM roycroft: well, the other thing i would need is popeye arms, so i could hold the origin against the wall and effect the cut
02:57 PM JT-Shop: I went to print a location part for the honeycomb but it can't be printed due to the design not being flat on the bottom
02:57 PM youhouka[m]: ah... ok so no dynamic commands yeah?
02:58 PM travis_farmer[m4: halui.mdi-command-01
02:58 PM Tom_L: not that i'm aware of
02:58 PM youhouka[m]: though I suppose if I'm talking about dynamic it would be more like uhhhhhh.... a hal component not just hal
02:58 PM youhouka[m]: so this seems good
02:58 PM youhouka[m]: thank you
02:58 PM JT-Shop: you could run a subroutine from mdi and change the contents of the subroutine
02:58 PM roycroft: jt-shop: you should be able to print supports for it
02:59 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_halui_section
03:00 PM roycroft: i was going to build a fancy jig that lets me route circles without a center hole - now i don't have to make that jig
03:00 PM Tom_L: what was svg intended for?
03:00 PM Tom_L: not too common among cad as it seems
03:00 PM roycroft: my svg?
03:01 PM Tom_L: anybody's not just yours :)
03:01 PM roycroft: oh
03:01 PM roycroft: well for me, shaper origin requires it
03:01 PM Tom_L: i figured that
03:01 PM JT-Shop: but it makes no sense to elevate the honeycomb locator part above the table maybe... maybe not
03:01 PM roycroft: and my laser engraver needs svg for import, as well as the vinyl cutter
03:01 PM roycroft: so i have three machines that can only import svg
03:02 PM roycroft: it's pretty common for a lot of that kind of stuff
03:02 PM roycroft: embroidery machines typically require svg
03:02 PM Tom_L: more of a graphic/web thing it seems
03:02 PM roycroft: yes
03:02 PM serp: we use svg for laser, vinyl, and embroidary machine
03:02 PM Tom_L: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/file-types/image/vector/svg-file.html
03:02 PM roycroft: that industry likes to use proprietary software and file formats
03:02 PM Tom_L: maybe your friends at adobe have something
03:03 PM roycroft: but svg is the "universal" file interchange format that almost all of them can deal with
03:03 PM roycroft: well i can import eps or ai into illustrator and spit out svg
03:03 PM travis_farmer[m4: doesn't inkscape do svg?
03:03 PM roycroft: i have all that stuff already
03:03 PM serp: we use inkscape for all those things.. it's native format is svg
03:03 PM Tom_L: inkscape uses it
03:03 PM roycroft: what i was trying to do is avoid having to use two machines
03:04 PM roycroft: can inkscape import dfx or pdf or ai?
03:04 PM roycroft: it's not the output that's the problem
03:04 PM serp: it's dxf import is not great.. i'ts pdf is good
03:04 PM roycroft: it's the input
03:04 PM roycroft: solidworks is limited in what it exports
03:04 PM serp: they just hired a contractor to work on ai import to make it better
03:04 PM roycroft: if ps or eps works that is fine
03:04 PM roycroft: maybe
03:04 PM roycroft: i'll have to test whatever i decide to use
03:04 PM roycroft: but i don't mind installing inkscape on the cad workstation
03:05 PM roycroft: i assume inkscape runs fairly reliably on windows 10
03:05 PM serp: it seems to run very well on windows and linux
03:06 PM serp: there was a time when it was slow on mac but maybe they've worked that out by now
03:06 PM Tom_L: i wonder if a print driver would convert to vector then save to file
03:06 PM Tom_L: err rather print to file
03:06 PM serp: if you print to pdf i am not sure if it will be vectors inside or just an embedded bitmaps
03:07 PM Tom_L: something for roycroft to explore
03:07 PM andypugh: I have figured out dual-booting my Macbook into OSX and Linux
03:07 PM roycroft: print drivers generally rasterize
03:07 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KSCffGhVYaBGdntz7
03:07 PM roycroft: although mac os has a built in print to pdf driver that maintains vectors, but i'm not sure if it tries to vectorize raster images
03:08 PM roycroft: andypugh: i have to figure that out every time i set up a dual-boot machine
03:08 PM roycroft: i rarely do that these days, though
03:08 PM roycroft: linux runs very well in a virtual machine with mac os as the parent os
03:08 PM andypugh: You didn’t look at the photo, did you :-)
03:08 PM roycroft: no
03:09 PM roycroft: it's easier to comment before i have any context :)
03:09 PM travis_farmer[m4: lol
03:09 PM roycroft: and it's also the american way these days
03:09 PM roycroft: but nice
03:10 PM roycroft: that's the expensive way to do it, but it should be very reliable
03:11 PM andypugh: My 2011 Air can’t run a version of OSX that Fusion 360 runs on. I was wondering about a motherboard swap then realised that a whole, decent condition, 2015 model was £174 on eBay. SO I went that way, and put Bookworm on the original one.
03:11 PM JaoFilipe[m] is now known as jaofilipe0[m]
03:11 PM roycroft: i have an old (2008?) imac that cannot run modern mac os
03:11 PM roycroft: it's happily running linux now
03:11 PM andypugh: Yeah, my mum’s old iMac is stuck that way.
03:12 PM roycroft: i'm using a distro called "cinnamon"
03:12 PM roycroft: iirc it's an ubuntu spinoff
03:12 PM andypugh: But, it doesn’t really matter as she isn’t capable of using it any more.
03:12 PM roycroft: i use it because it has some utilties that make it look a lot like xquartz
03:12 PM roycroft: the window manager, dock, etc. are very similar to xquartz
03:13 PM roycroft: that's not really necessary, but i had read that it can be done, and decided to see how far i could go with that machine
03:13 PM andypugh: I am pretty much OS agnostic now, I probably use Windows most of all.
03:13 PM roycroft: i use what the application needs, for the most part
03:14 PM andypugh: Anyway, the Macbook is running nicely, and with a Thunderbolt to Ethernet card its running a 7i96 happily too.
03:14 PM roycroft: i find windows extremely difficult to use and admin, but my cad software all runs on windows, so i have a dedicated cat workstation running windows 10
03:14 PM roycroft: nice
03:15 PM andypugh: (Running Mesa hardware was the main reason to go with a bare-metal install)
03:15 PM roycroft: for $30, i think i'll try one of those filters
03:15 PM andypugh: For my next trick, Pi400
03:15 PM roycroft: it should be good - after all, it has australian charcoal
03:16 PM roycroft: yeah, running linuxcnc in real time from a virtual machine might not work out too well
03:16 PM roycroft: even with a mesa ethernet card
03:17 PM roycroft: ooh, not only is that charcoal australian, it's VIRGIN charcoal
03:17 PM roycroft: so if i decide to offer it to the anti-smelliness gods, they will be more apt to accept it
03:18 PM djdelorie: "Here a Roycroft, we use only the *finest* virgin Australian charcoal..."
03:19 PM roycroft: lovingly smothered in lark's vomit
03:19 PM djdelorie: only the *finest* lark's vomit
03:21 PM andypugh: Is there any virgin charcoal? I would imagine that an awful lot of the carbin in the worlds trees has been trees before. Possibly the only virgin chacoal is the very oldest coal? (Coal only formed becasue there was nothing to rot the trees, so the carbon cycle hadn’t started)
03:21 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyCXhiwulk
03:21 PM Unterhausen: If roycroft's company isn't named "roycroftcraft" I don't know what to think
03:22 PM Unterhausen: my company is Unterhausen Machine Tool & Die, and google never forgets about it when I fill out a form
03:24 PM JT-Shop: my company is JT's Chicken Retirement & Spa
03:24 PM roycroft: it isn't
03:25 PM roycroft: i'd probably be sued by the roycrofters if i named it that
03:25 PM roycroft: for trademark infringement
03:35 PM roycroft: i just loaded inkscape on my imac, and relized that i already tried that for the laser engraver
03:36 PM roycroft: i had imported an eps file and saved it as svg, and it was an almost total fail on the laser engraver
03:36 PM roycroft: iirc lightburn found numerous path problems and what it loaded barely resemebled the original eps file
03:37 PM roycroft: yet when i did the same thing with illustrator, lightburn was perfectly happy with the svg file
03:37 PM roycroft: but that was an eps that my graphics designer sent me - i'll try an export from solidworks and see what happens
03:39 PM roguish[m]: roycroft: SW has a way to import an image, and then trace over it. actually works pretty good.
03:39 PM * JT-Shop looks for his slow rise pizza dough recipe...
03:39 PM roycroft: that's not what i need to do at all, and i need something more accurate than that
03:39 PM roycroft: the workflow is that i design in solidworks, and need to convert to svg for the shaper origin
03:39 PM roycroft: solidworks will not save as or export to svg
03:40 PM roycroft: i can export to ai with solidworks, but then i have to go to a different machine to convert the ai to svg
03:40 PM XXCoder: freecad can export sketches to svh
03:40 PM XXCoder: svg. drawing also
03:40 PM roycroft: i'm trying to find a way to do it on one machine
03:41 PM roycroft: sure, but i can't design with freecad, as it doesn't have an official assembly workbench
03:41 PM roycroft: and i won't get into that any further again :)
03:41 PM XXCoder: I know
03:41 PM roycroft: besides, i'm very happy with solidworks, and very comfortable using it
03:41 PM XXCoder: I was thinking for 2d designing with constrants
03:41 PM roycroft: i just need to get this conversion sorted
03:42 PM roycroft: i think i'll try inkscape
03:42 PM roycroft: even though right now it means two machines, as i don't have inkscape installed on the cad workstation
03:42 PM roycroft: if it works i'll install it there
03:42 PM roycroft: and i guess i'll have an idea today whether it should work or not, but i won't know for sure until i get the shaper origin and try to make a part with it
03:43 PM XXCoder: I used freecad to design graphics couple times lol. exported and colored it in inkscape and graphics was awesome
03:43 PM roycroft: inkscape is another of those apps that is pretty powerful but very cumbersome to use
03:43 PM roycroft: i don't know if it's more cumbersome than illustrator or not
03:44 PM XXCoder: I guess so. Im very used to it, used it since mid 2000s
03:44 PM roycroft: i've been using illustrator for 25 years or so, so it may be that i'm just used to it, but i can work much faster in illustrator than inkscape
04:30 PM Uthayne[m] is now known as uthayne0[m]
04:33 PM roycroft: so solidworks rasterizes its pdf exports files
04:33 PM roycroft: that's not going to work for me
04:33 PM roycroft: and inkscape won't open .ai files
04:33 PM XXCoder: thats weird
04:34 PM XXCoder: no option to retain it as vectors?
04:34 PM roycroft: not that i can see
04:34 PM roycroft: i'll spend more time with that later
04:34 PM XXCoder: https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/38358/solidworks-is-it-possible-to-export-assembly-as-vector-pdf-file-or-eps
04:34 PM XXCoder: maybe?
04:34 PM roycroft: for now i want to see if illustrator lets me create a reasonable svg file
04:36 PM roycroft: oh, ok, i was working with a sldprt file
04:36 PM roycroft: i haven't tried with a sldraw file
04:36 PM roycroft: i'll try that in a bit
04:36 PM roycroft: i create drawings of my parts anyway
04:36 PM roycroft: a 3d model doesn't help much in the shop
04:37 PM roycroft: 2d drawings, with the proper views and dimensions, are what one needs
05:10 PM skunkworks[m]: freecad outputs svg.. Don't know how much that hepls
05:10 PM skunkworks[m]: helps
05:11 PM roycroft: since it can't import sldprt it doesn't, unfortunately
05:11 PM roycroft: or sldraw
05:11 PM roycroft: slddrw, rather
05:11 PM XXCoder: tried exporting latter yet?
05:11 PM roycroft: no, i haven't tried that yet
05:12 PM roycroft: i've run into a problem that is a big reason i don't like having to use multiple computers for this - nextcloud sync has hng on my imac
05:12 PM roycroft: so the .ai file is not on the imac yet, even though it's on the cad workstation and my nextcloud server
05:17 PM * JT-Shop is designing a part in metric!
05:18 PM XXCoder: I should go on trip because world is ending now
05:18 PM XXCoder: ;)
05:18 PM Tom_L: roycroft, import an iges from sw to freecad
05:19 PM XXCoder: then export it out as svg?
05:19 PM Tom_L: :)
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I once designed a metric screw with a pitch of 2.54mm
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and 3 1/2 cm in length
05:22 PM Tom_L: 1 thread
05:24 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/thread1.jpg
05:24 PM Tom_L: sry, that's the biggest one i ever made
05:24 PM Tom_L: 3 tpi
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: needs a banana for scale
05:25 PM Tom_L: roughly 2.5" bar
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 63 1/2 mm
05:35 PM JT-Shop: why is it so difficult to setup a printer in debian
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: huh, it's has gotten much easier with Sid
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what version Debians?
05:39 PM JT-Shop: 12
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 12 is sleepy?
05:39 PM JT-Shop: no clue
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bookworm, huh
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I just plug them in now and they self configure
05:40 PM JT-Shop: network printer
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: easier than windblows
05:41 PM JT-Shop: wnidblows is much easier you just pick the network printer and it's ready to use
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well you could complain to the debian devs and have them ignore you
05:41 PM JT-Shop: why?
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I haven't tried a network printer on Sid yet
05:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe they just fixed USB printers
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I give up putzing with that
05:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it is asking me how to find the network printer: samba, appsocket, lpd/lpr etc etc
05:44 PM JT-Shop: how?
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh and it noticed that I have the firewall blocking discovery
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Print Settings manager in the settings manager
05:46 PM roycroft: windows is easier when everything works out well
05:46 PM JT-Shop: I don't see a print settings manager
05:46 PM JT-Shop: where is this?
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: system-config-printer 1.5.18 A CUPS configuration tool.
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/OpenPrinting/system-config-printer/
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh hah, written by Red Hat
05:47 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt install system-config-printer
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like the Debians gave up and used red hats printer configurator
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: worth a shot in bookworm 12
05:53 PM JT-Shop: at least it finds the network printers
05:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: \0/
05:57 PM JT-Shop: almost worked...
06:03 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight[m], a bit cumbersome but finally figured it out gotta scroll over and pick the printer with an ip address
06:03 PM JT-Shop: thanks
06:03 PM * JT-Shop calls it a night
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07:06 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i dunno if you can but a suggestion would be a button to copy the previous axis values over to the next one
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07:32 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact2/mesact2_error3.png
07:35 PM Tom_L: must be the Inputs / Outputs not done yet
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09:13 PM XXCoder: roycroft: does it export to dxf?
09:14 PM XXCoder: if so, freecad has dxf import support, you ca upgrade it to sketch or draw and export as svg
09:22 PM roycroft: yes, i can export to dxf
09:22 PM roycroft: dxf can be problematic, so i try to avoid it if i can
09:23 PM XXCoder: pretty dang old format
09:23 PM XXCoder: it doesnt have true arcs
09:23 PM roycroft: yes, but it's a microsoftish kind of standard
09:23 PM XXCoder: freecad have pretty lot of formats acceptable so maybe theres better one
09:23 PM XXCoder: one exportable by solidworks
09:23 PM roycroft: it's an industry standard, and is completely interchangeable amongst vendors, except for those who choose to "improve" it without telling anyone
09:24 PM XXCoder: ugh yeah I found some when I worked on ldrdat2dxf
09:24 PM Tom_L: i use an older iges translator than the newer one i have for my cad cam because the new one imports everything as polyline instead of lines and arcs which can be problematic
09:24 PM roycroft: i'm sure i'll find something that will work for me
09:24 PM Tom_L: may check some older stuff...
09:24 PM XXCoder: cool :) hope so
09:24 PM roycroft: i just got back from dinner, and don't feel like working on this project right now
09:24 PM roycroft: i'm ready to relax for a bit
09:25 PM roycroft: but i know i'll get something figured out
09:25 PM roycroft: the shaper origin will arrive tomorrow, and i know i'll be doing some test cuts with it that aren't part of any project/product, to start getting a feel for how it works
09:25 PM XXCoder: tom wonder why that was done. thats large info loss
09:26 PM Tom_L: i somewhat discovered that by accident
09:26 PM Tom_L: i keep them both as they both have a place
09:27 PM XXCoder: shaper origin certainly is interesting, though also meh on the tapes thing being buyable from them alone
09:27 PM * roycroft figures that tomorrow he'll probably not get much farther than unboxing all the stuff, reading the manual, and perhaps doing an initial power-up of the origin
09:27 PM roycroft: i don't plan on using much shaper tape, xxcoder
09:27 PM XXCoder: ok
09:28 PM roycroft: i bought the workstation and plate to go with it, and those both have permanent shaper tape embedded in them
09:28 PM roycroft: my main use for shaper tape will be when i'm making something really big
09:29 PM roycroft: and if i have to spend $25 on shaper tape to make a $3k sign, that's ok
09:30 PM roycroft: and even if i make things on a regular basis that are bigger than can be made with the workstation or plate, i can make my own registration board with shaper tape and coat it with epoxy, so i can use it over and over
09:31 PM roycroft: i think people complain too much about the cost of shaper tape
09:31 PM XXCoder: for me its fact that its one source rather than expense
09:31 PM XXCoder: if its profitable expense is fine
09:32 PM roycroft: well that's how the tool is too
09:32 PM roycroft: i get where you're coming from, but i have a different perspective on it
09:32 PM XXCoder: does it require internet access and their servers to work?
09:32 PM roycroft: and it's not like they have a patent on it
09:32 PM roycroft: n
09:32 PM roycroft: no
09:32 PM roycroft: they want you to use shaperhub
09:32 PM roycroft: but you can load files from a usb stick
09:32 PM XXCoder: thats good
09:32 PM roycroft: you can even do os upgrades from a usb stick
09:33 PM XXCoder: im sick of IOT stuff dying when company discountines or company dies
09:33 PM roycroft: you can make your own shaper tape if you want
09:33 PM XXCoder: not too bad then
09:33 PM roycroft: yes, that is an issue
09:33 PM roycroft: but not with shaper origin
09:33 PM roycroft: of course, of they go out of business it may be impossible to repair
09:33 PM roycroft: but it will continue working
09:34 PM roycroft: and shaper are now owned by festool's parent company
09:34 PM XXCoder: yeah thats true for basically everything
09:34 PM roycroft: it's unlikely that they'll go under
09:34 PM roycroft: they're well funded and well marketed
09:34 PM XXCoder: cool
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