#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 09 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:04 AM Deejay: moin
02:23 AM mits5782[m]: Hey, I've ended up back at my problem from a couple years ago where I have outputs that are inverted of where I want them to be in safe positions...bleh
02:24 AM mits5782[m]: my stepper/spindle power supply is switched by an output
02:24 AM mits5782[m]: I hook it up so that when the output is in the unconfigured mesa card state it is off
02:28 AM mits5782[m]: oh I can use invert_output to swap it around
02:29 AM mits5782[m]: I was looking for a -not pin, like the input equivalent
03:30 AM mits5782[m]: https://giphy.com/gifs/9K2nFglCAQClO
03:30 AM mits5782[m]: lincurve was actually the easiest solution to all of this
03:41 AM mits5782[m]: Call me crazy, but a PID with Pgain set to 1.0 and everything else set to 0 should be a passthrough, right?
03:48 AM mits5782[m]: fack, no
03:49 AM mits5782[m]: it's proportional to error
03:49 AM mits5782[m]: not to command
03:50 AM mits5782[m]: is FF0 a passthrough?
04:03 AM mits5782[m]: yes, ok
04:03 AM mits5782[m]: now everything is working
04:28 AM Tom_L: morning
04:29 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-)
04:49 AM JT-Cave1: morning
04:50 AM JT-Cave1: 67°F high 84°F and sunny going to be a nice day to be outside
04:51 AM TurBoss: morning
04:51 AM travis_farmer: 51F high of 63F, and rain
04:51 AM XXCoder: I actually felt water from sky when I was pusing out trash for pickup
04:52 AM travis_farmer: or a bird peeing on you ;-)
04:52 AM XXCoder: birds dont fly in night
04:52 AM travis_farmer: they do if they wake up and gotta pee ;-) (kidding)
04:52 AM XXCoder: lol
05:28 AM TIm[m]12345 is now known as tim45380[m]
05:32 AM mits5782[m]: Anyone got a reversable spindle? Does motion's spindle.speed-out pin go negative for you? cause it isn't for me :\
05:38 AM JT-Cave1: rooster justn crowed
06:01 AM mits5782[m]: hey dumbass mits, don't turn on your spindle when the probe is in the collet!
06:01 AM mits5782[m]: I probably should put an interlock on that
06:11 AM JT-Cave1: it does work for me in the Axis sim
06:17 AM mits5782[m]: yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm hitting a motion bug
06:17 AM mits5782[m]: I'm really struggling to find the code that drives this
06:19 AM mits5782[m]: It's not in axis ui... I think it should be in emc motion, but I can't find it
06:22 AM JT-Cave1: spindle.0.speed-out
06:23 AM mits5782[m]: oh I found it finally
06:23 AM travis_farmer: spindle.0.forward and spindle.0.reverse too
06:23 AM JT-Cave1: yup
06:27 AM mits5782[m]: yep, but it's a motion bug or a docs bug
06:27 AM mits5782[m]: it just says MAX_VELOCITY and MIN_VELOCITY
06:28 AM mits5782[m]: but the rtapi call has min-negative min-positive max-negative and max-positive
06:28 AM mits5782[m]: something is parsing the ini wrong, or was documented wrong, or something
06:28 AM mits5782[m]: also that's a fun one
06:29 AM mits5782[m]: min negative and max negative are probably backwards, or at least confusing
06:31 AM JT-Cave1: yum strawberries, grapes, cheese and pills for breakfast
06:32 AM travis_farmer: dry Crispix cerial for me (and some pills)
06:48 AM Tom_L: 69°F hi 88°F
06:49 AM JT-Cave1: https://rennstand.com/product/rennstand/
06:49 AM JT-Cave1: interesting jack stand
06:52 AM Tom_L: may not work on alot of lowered vehicles if you put the jack under the stand
06:52 AM Tom_L: at least that's how i pictured it
06:53 AM Tom_L: i could barely get the jack under the hondas as it was
06:54 AM JT-Cave1: it adds 2.125" to the height of the jack, I have a low profile jack but don't know if that will fit without my 2x12 ramps
06:54 AM JT-Cave1: that raise it 1.5"
06:55 AM Tom_L: meh, you're retired... let them service it :)
06:55 AM travis_farmer: lol
06:55 AM JT-Cave1: lol
06:56 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:04 AM travis_farmer: is the C8 got enough clearance to go up ramps? looked low to the ground...
07:04 AM Tom_L: they give you dimensions.. build your own if you want
07:04 AM JT-Cave: they forgot to put my valve caps back on after swapping the wheels... I wonder about the corvette tech if he/she is better
07:04 AM Tom_L: they/them?
07:04 AM JT-Cave: the dealer swapped wheels for me before delivery
07:04 AM Tom_L: right
07:04 AM Tom_L: was a comment on the whole LGBT thing.. a heshe is a they/them now
07:04 AM JT-Cave: oh well I'm old school
07:05 AM JT-Cave: dead end dirt road off of a dirt road...
07:06 AM travis_farmer: i have a dirt driveway... does that count? ;-)
07:06 AM Tom_L: you may have to have them oil it a bit now that you have the C8
07:06 AM JT-Cave: and get oily dirt on it?
07:06 AM JT-Cave: I have an asphalt driveway but that don't count
07:07 AM JT-Cave: just got my Dealership Satisfaction Survey email
07:10 AM Tom_L: that was quick
07:12 AM Tom_L: i was happy with ours except for the acessories punk kid that knew somebody to get his job and knew little about his job
07:14 AM JT-Cave: I was totally happy with my experience with both dealers (same owner) I should have asked the sales manager if I could drive the owners Ferrari that was parked there
07:16 AM Tom_L: you might have to extend the shop if you did
07:16 AM JT-Cave: I doubt that lol
07:16 AM Tom_L: they're harder to work on and parts are more scarce
07:18 AM JT-Cave: I stopped by the shop that used to work on my vehicles to show a friend that has a C6 and his comment was "I don't want to work on that"
07:18 AM Tom_L: quite a few of the foreign ones use cups and wafers for valve adjustment. that's a pita
07:18 AM JT-Cave: yup those are a PIA
07:20 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KanheLDH5VM
07:22 AM Tom_L: jag v12 was worse
07:23 AM JT-Cave: at a car show we went to a couple of months back a guy was there with a 6 cylinder dual overhead cam jag
07:23 AM JT-Cave: the head was huge
07:24 AM Tom_L: yeah i've worked on those
07:26 AM Tom_L: you had to be careful on some if you flattened the head.. you may need a thicker gasket or the valves would hit
07:27 AM Tom_L: we'd use clay on the piston
07:27 AM Tom_L: anyway. i'm off
07:27 AM JT-Cave: talk to you later]
07:55 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
08:10 AM Loetmichel: *grrr* ... aaand the nest Display with a white scratch in the polarisation-filter. Will I ever learn to NOT aim at the PC when cutting screws short with a sidecutter? (on a side note: the sounds are very close to the "bullet riccochet" you hear in movies :) )
08:12 AM CloudEvil: Screeen protectors++
08:12 AM Loetmichel: too late now though ;)
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09:14 AM travis_farmer853: The re-wire is looking a little cleaner...
09:16 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:20 AM perry_j1987: morning
09:21 AM travis_farmer: and so far, my control cabinet is easier to work on. still have to make up a 24v relay board for higher current on some of the 7i72 connections, as well as change out the NPN home sensors for PNP sensors.
09:22 AM JT-Shop: got a photo?
09:22 AM travis_farmer: i posted photos, you may need to check the log
09:23 AM JT-Shop: today?
09:23 AM travis_farmer: yes
09:23 AM JT-Shop: ok see them now
09:24 AM travis_farmer: :-)
09:24 AM JT-Shop: nice fuse blocks
09:24 AM travis_farmer: thanks
09:24 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Nice. I like to use DIN rail and cable trays. Hides many sins 🙂
09:25 AM travis_farmer: i don't have any DIN rail or cable trays, so i make with what i can :-)
09:29 AM travis_farmer: the second layer helps cover the stepper drivers, and brings the many I/O connections to the front of the enclosure where it is easier to work on. :-)
09:30 AM JT-Shop: I can send you some cable trays if you pay postage
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09:33 AM travis_farmer: oh, now you tell me, now that it is half wired... ;-) i can't put anything more on PayPal credit, as i want to pay off what i have spen't so far. but when i get some cash incoming, i will hit you up, JT :-)
09:35 AM roycroft: it is almost the weekend!
09:35 AM travis_farmer: my checking account only has $13 in it currently
09:35 AM JT-Shop: my weekend started yesterday
09:35 AM travis_farmer: my weekend hasn't stopped :-(
09:36 AM * JT-Shop just found the xtool d1 pro material settings page... that will help
09:36 AM roycroft: have you done any tests with the laser yet?
09:43 AM JT-Shop: just a couple of test burns
09:50 AM JT-Shop: at least now with the material settings I can make some test cards that make sense
09:54 AM roycroft: yeah
09:55 AM roycroft: i haven't done any tests on leather since i got the 20w laser head
09:55 AM roycroft: i'll need to do that soon
09:55 AM roycroft: until i get my enclosure finished i'm using the laser on my workbench
09:56 AM roycroft: and right now part of the enclosure is on the workbench
09:56 AM roycroft: but i should have that last part prepped for paint by this afternoon, so there will be room for the laser again
09:57 AM perry_j1987: hey i got something to work kinda heh
09:57 AM perry_j1987: probed with the touch probe and set x0y0z0
09:57 AM perry_j1987: then probed the tool height setter and then the workpiece
09:57 AM perry_j1987: then put a cutter in and mdi t1 m6 g43 and it asked to replace the tool i clicked ok after i replaced it then nothing...
09:58 AM perry_j1987: hit t1 m6 g43 again and then it touched off
09:58 AM perry_j1987: jogged over and the tool tip was right hwere i expect it to be
09:58 AM perry_j1987: so...getting closer lol
09:58 AM roycroft: contratulations
09:59 AM * roycroft thinks it's time to make a cappuccino
09:59 AM JT-Shop: roycroft, are you extracting the fumes outside or through a filter?
10:00 AM JT-Shop: perry_j1987, sounds like it's coming together for you congrats
10:00 AM perry_j1987: it will be nice when i get it 100% and i can trust the machine haha
10:01 AM JT-Shop: when I'm testing something new I do a lot of air work
10:02 AM travis_farmer: same here JT. it is really cheap to cut air ;-)
10:02 AM perry_j1987: omfg just scared the crap out of myself
10:02 AM perry_j1987: this cordless dremel just turned on on my desk next to me by itself
10:03 AM perry_j1987: *touchy switch
10:04 AM roycroft: jt-shop: i'm not extracting them at all right now, but when my enclosure is built i'll be extracting outside at first
10:04 AM roycroft: i may add a filter later
10:05 AM JT-Shop: ok, I'm still trying to figure out where it will live and if I can extract outside or not
10:05 AM roycroft: when the laser is sitting on my workbench i just use a small fan to blow the fumes away from me, and i make sure all the doors are open in my garage
10:05 AM JT-Shop: outside would be best I assume
10:06 AM JT-Shop: I keep my shops closed up and keep the humidity below 50% all the time
10:06 AM JT-Shop: LOL I just figured out the air pump is variable speed
10:07 AM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09FYK6Z3R/
10:07 AM roycroft: i got that for extracting the fumes - it will mount on the top of my enclosure
10:07 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have the 6" version of that on the exhaust for my laser. Works very well.
10:08 AM roycroft: i think the 4" will work pretty well
10:08 AM roycroft: if i had a bigger/more powerful laser i'd probably go with a 6"
10:08 AM roycroft: but i guess i'll find out when the enclosure is finished
10:09 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have a long run out to the roof and a larger 80W laser. The 4" is probably fine for your setup.
10:09 AM roycroft: lots of youtubers use a 4" fan with similar specs on their smallish lasers
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10:09 AM travis_farmer853: off-topic, but this just came around on my FB... i am thinking this turbo is in rough shape...
10:09 AM roycroft: yeah, my exhaust run will be pretty short
10:10 AM roycroft: my laser enclosure will sit right next to a window, which is what i'll use to exhaust the fumes
10:10 AM roycroft: so the exhaust hose will be like 1m long
10:10 AM roycroft: maybe 1.5m
10:12 AM roycroft: it's also a diode laser
10:13 AM roycroft: so not too powerful,and not too fast
10:13 AM roycroft: i'm not going to be producing canadian levels of smoke with it
10:13 AM JT-Shop: lol
10:13 AM * roycroft heads off to make his cappucino now
10:17 AM * travis_farmer makes some lunch...
10:21 AM roycroft: ok, i have caffeine now
10:21 AM roycroft: life is improving rapidly
10:22 AM perry_j1987: im not finding anyone else online with this issue on probe screen where you do a tool change and then it just hangs till you tell it to change tools a second time
10:22 AM perry_j1987: any ideas i can look at
10:26 AM roguish[m]: perry_j1987: post the issue in the Forum. it will probably get some response....definitely worth the few minutes of effort
10:27 AM roguish[m]: sounds like it's in the M6 remap
10:28 AM roycroft: it's cloudy today
10:28 AM roycroft: kind of a nice break
10:29 AM JT-Shop: looks like a bit of rain this weekend and we can use it
10:42 AM roycroft: no rain in our forecast indefinitely
10:42 AM roycroft: it may not rain again until september
10:49 AM JT-Shop: wow
10:49 AM * JT-Shop heads out
10:50 AM Unterhaus_: going to be rainy next week which is nice
10:50 AM Unterhaus_: at least it's back under 100 air quality
10:50 AM Unterhaus_ is now known as Unterhausen
11:16 AM travis_farmer: hmmm, ran out of stuff i could work on, on my machine, without parts... may be a good day to install the new LP gas regulator on my old 5th wheel camper renovation...
11:52 AM Unterhausen: what's a good connector for 20amp dc that has bulkhead version? I guess I can mount a neutrik powercon
11:55 AM roycroft: a lot of folks use those
11:55 AM roycroft: i got some for my stepper motor cables for the cnc router that i still haven't built, other than the control panel
12:01 PM Unterhausen: it's the most convenient and I decided to stop using them for servo motors, so I have extra
12:03 PM Unterhausen: was hoping to put a power supply inside the cabinet of my 3d printer, but using a mosfet to power the bed uses up too much space
12:07 PM roycroft: the caveat is that neutrix connectors are not rated for dc, so if you use them for dc you need to ensure that they are never connected or disconnected live
12:11 PM travis_farmer: i thought about PowerCon myself, and may still. but i went with some aircraft style 4-pin connectors instead, as they were cheaper at the time.
12:11 PM Unterhausen: not too bad on ebay
12:11 PM Unterhausen: and there are seemingly adequate clones for less
12:12 PM travis_farmer: they are when you don't have much income coming in ;-)
12:15 PM roycroft: i've been thinking a lot about my cnc router project lately, because space is so tight in my shop
12:16 PM roycroft: a shaper origin + workstation would do for me most of what i want a cnc router to do
12:16 PM roycroft: and would conserve space
12:17 PM roycroft: but even though i've been thinking and saying that i don't intend to do an production work with the cnc router, it's quite possible that as soon as i build it i'll find some jobs that require using it as a production machine
12:18 PM roycroft: and a shaper origin is not and cannot be a production machine
12:19 PM roycroft: the thing is, i have more than enough money for an origin + workstation in my cnc router account already
12:20 PM roycroft: i could order it today and be working with it in a week
12:20 PM * roycroft is still holding out for a proper cnc router, though
12:20 PM travis_farmer: $3274!!?? that's a lot of bucks!
12:20 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Yes, but there is still a big difference between a production machine and a hobby machine even for a fixed system. I try to look at it as a business case for a tool. If I find I am doing enough of a job that I can justify the tool then buy it.
12:21 PM roycroft: right
12:21 PM roycroft: the cost is not the issue
12:21 PM roycroft: it's a real estate problem
12:21 PM travis_farmer: i wish i was able to say the cost is not the issue...
12:22 PM roycroft: and a big reason it's taking me so long to build it is that i'm distracted with building other shop fixtures to reclaim bits of real estate
12:22 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Time is also a factor. If you can get up and running with the shaper origin and you have the space for it then it is a no brainer to me.
12:22 PM roycroft: well it's not suitable for production
12:23 PM roycroft: as it has to be manually operated
12:23 PM roycroft: but it could solve a lot of problems right away
12:23 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I am looking at something similar to that for a plasma cutter as I don't have room for a table system.
12:23 PM roycroft: i've not discounted the idea of getting an origin system and also building a cnc router, but the budget isn't there for both right now
12:24 PM roycroft: my initial justification for the cnc router was to make jigs/fixtures that i could use in my woodworking
12:24 PM roycroft: and that is a perfect use case for a shaper origin
12:25 PM roycroft: a factor in favor of the origin is that i've been thinking about automating some of the joinery for the lamps i'm building
12:25 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Exactly the same reason I am looking at the arcdroid. I just make brackets and fixtures using the plasma and this would cover 99% of my needs.
12:25 PM travis_farmer: i don't have the budget for building a CNC router... but i have passed the point of no return, that i have to finish it, and use it, as i have no other option, other than EOL...
12:25 PM roycroft: and that joinery requires a fair amount of setup time, and very little machine time
12:25 PM roycroft: which makes the origin potentially suitable for production use for those components
12:26 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: From the looks of it, it is perfect for doing complicated joinery on odd shapes that would be very annoying to do in a fixed table.
12:26 PM roycroft: yup
12:27 PM roycroft: and since i'll be doing a lot of operations on the ends of parts at odd angles, the workstation would be ideal, with its flexible vertical holding capability
12:28 PM roycroft: the cnc router would need that feature anyway, and realizing that set back my design progress significantly, as i had to go back and redesign almost from scratch
12:29 PM roycroft: but as long as that project is taking me, it may make sense to just get the origin system now, and start rebuilding the cnc router budget
12:30 PM Tom_L: maybe you should retire so you have time to finish things
12:30 PM roycroft: were that i could afford to
12:30 PM travis_farmer: i tried that, Tom_L, but i ran out of money... ;-)
12:31 PM Tom_L: oh did i mention win the lottery before you retire?
12:35 PM travis_farmer: with my luck, i could spend $1M on tickets, and never win back $1
12:35 PM Unterhausen: if you want to ruin your life, win the lottery
12:36 PM Unterhausen: it's even worse if you don't win enough to hide from anyone that might know you won
12:36 PM Unterhausen: I think the only person I have heard of that was happy long-term after winning the lottery gave all the money away
12:36 PM travis_farmer: yeah, in maine, you can't win the lottery anonymous
12:37 PM Unterhausen: I would go collect the prize in a t-rex costume
12:38 PM Unterhausen: and insist that they have the wrong Unterhausen when people I don't know ask me for money
12:38 PM travis_farmer: but you must disclose your identity, and the news will get a hold of it
12:38 PM Unterhausen: Of course, every Unterhausen in the state would hate me
12:39 PM Unterhausen: hire a secretary to take my calls and answer emails. Mostly from people named Unterhausen
12:41 PM travis_farmer: my thinking is, after i pay off all my debt, and pay the prize taxes (almost 50%), i wouldn't have much left to live on for long...
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12:42 PM travis_farmer: sorry, 24%, not 50%
12:44 PM Unterhausen: weather report got my hopes up that we would have rain, and then I looked at the radar. don't believe we're getting any rain
12:44 PM * travis_farmer is getting rain now...
12:45 PM * roycroft is hoping to win the lottery to solve all his problems, but probably needs to start buying lottery tickets for that to happen
12:46 PM sensille: you can just hope to find a winning ticket on the street, works equally well
12:47 PM roycroft: but back to what i was talking about, if i get an origin, i'd want to be able to do some bas relief 2.5d projects with it, and i'm not sure what the status of the origin software is regarding that
12:47 PM Unterhausen: the odds of that happening are approximately equal to winning
12:47 PM roycroft: well some day, i might wander up the coast and find the hidden cove where one-eyed willie's bounty is hidden
12:48 PM Unterhausen: technically it's far more remote, but the odds of winning are so remote that the stack-up doesn't make any practical difference
12:48 PM roycroft: there's a reason that state lotteries are referred to as "poor taxes"
12:49 PM Unterhausen: I used to buy a ticket whenever the amount was over a certain large amount. But back then, they had fewer numbers. Then they realized it was better when nobody won
12:49 PM Unterhausen: I think it was 6 numbers up to 50 or something like that
12:49 PM roycroft: it appeals to the folks who spend all their food stamps on sodas, and invest every spare penny from their welfare checks in cigarettes
12:50 PM Unterhausen: I dunno, there is a line at the lottery machine on days when people get paid
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12:50 PM roycroft: yes, they buy their lotto tickets before they buy their cigarettes
12:50 PM * travis_farmer does not get food stamps, nor a welfare check... so i am not that poor... i just have no money ;-)
12:51 PM roycroft: then they buy as many cigarettes as they can, and when they run out they bum them off of others
12:51 PM roycroft: the thing that bugs me the most about the origin is the need for shaper tape for indexing
12:51 PM roycroft: that stuff is expensive, and as distributed, difficult to reuse
12:52 PM Unterhausen: there are rural places in Pennsylvania where the groceries are only full on days when the social security checks come in. Anti-government places
12:52 PM roycroft: the plate and workstation accessories have it built-in, so that alleviates the problem there
12:52 PM roycroft: but when making something big, a large amount of shaper tape is required
12:52 PM Unterhausen: if I won the lottery, I would get an origin
12:52 PM roycroft: i wish there were some more economical indexing system
12:52 PM Unterhausen: probably never use it because they are too dusty
12:53 PM roycroft: i have $5k in my cnc router fund right now
12:53 PM roycroft: so i can afford it right now
12:53 PM Unterhausen: I have 4 routers and it has been forever since I used one
12:54 PM roycroft: and actually, based on my last rough budget calculation, i should only need about $3k to finish the cnc router design i had been working on
12:54 PM roycroft: i have the electronics already, the spindle, stepper motors, and most of the z axis components
12:54 PM * roycroft counts up his routers
12:55 PM roycroft: i think i have eight hand-held routers plus my router table, which has an 80mm spindle
12:56 PM roycroft: i mean, the festool of 2200 barely counts as hand-held, as it's a beast that weighs over 12kg, but technically it's hand-held
12:58 PM ithe2guu[m]: i can not get probe screen to load
12:58 PM ithe2guu[m]: where is the .axisrc file located?
12:59 PM ithe2guu[m]: i am not having luck finding it
01:00 PM ithe2guu[m]: would it be in the same directory as the lcnc config, or would it be somewhere else
01:00 PM ithe2guu[m]: ?
01:00 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Should be in your home folder I believe. At least there is one there on my machine.
01:01 PM ithe2guu[m]: by home folder do you mean the folder witch the config is in?
01:02 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: No. Your user home folder /home/<username>
01:02 PM ithe2guu[m]: oh ok
01:02 PM ithe2guu[m]: ill take a look
01:03 PM Unterhausen: shortcut to your home folder is cd ~
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01:10 PM ithe2guu[m]: i dont see a .axisrc files in my home, but i do see a file called .axis_preferences would that be the same thing?
01:12 PM perry_j1987: ithe2guu[m] .axisrc enable show hidden files
01:13 PM perry_j1987: its in the download for probe screen ng
01:14 PM perry_j1987: move it over to your home folder
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01:18 PM ithe2guu[m]: Did that
01:23 PM perry_j1987: what else have you done
01:23 PM perry_j1987: i just installed this the other day i can help
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01:35 PM ithe2guu[m]: Did that
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02:22 PM roycroft: shaper are selling reconditioned gen1 origins for $1000 off
02:36 PM Unterhausen: cheaper than a festool!
02:39 PM Tom_L: JT[m], is the view better in a new vette?
02:41 PM Unterhausen: I guess Cakeslob isn't here because he got tired of everyone blaming him for the smoke
02:41 PM Unterhausen: I forgot what screen he was using on his rpi
02:43 PM Unterhausen: now I'm remembering it was the official 7"
02:43 PM roycroft: and then there's this: goliathcnc.com
02:43 PM roycroft: which is basically a roomba with a router attached to it
02:45 PM roycroft: it's not for me, i have already determined
02:46 PM Unterhausen: that's pretty cool, but I think it would only be useful on the wood floors of someone you hate
02:46 PM roycroft: it eliminated the shaper tape problem
02:46 PM Unterhausen: then when you're done, plant oregano in their yard
02:46 PM roycroft: but it seems kind of janky
02:47 PM Unterhausen: did it eliminate that problem?
02:47 PM roycroft: yes, it has a couple sensor modules that you set up for indexing
02:47 PM roycroft: those are reusable
02:47 PM Unterhausen: roboticists used to worry about localization. I think they solved that problem by not worrying about it so much
02:49 PM Unterhausen: I think that people who sell rpi screens are the only place where hand models with tiny hands can find employment
02:51 PM roycroft: so that's where kristen wiig works now?
02:54 PM perry_j1987: lol
02:54 PM roycroft: kind of a let down, but i guess it's better than working at target
02:55 PM Unterhausen: I feel like I don't want to find out what that's in reference to
02:56 PM roycroft: bits she played on snl
02:57 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KLSg1h0e-M
03:08 PM mits5782[m]: Does anyone know if mux_generic has a newer sibling that supports names?
03:11 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: It would be in https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/src/hal/components if there was. I don't think there is though.
03:12 PM mits5782[m]: Yeah, I've been over it twice and haven't seen anything appropriate
03:12 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Time to write your own 🙂
03:12 PM mits5782[m]: it's really hard to be sure, given how the naming works
03:26 PM perry_j1987: need to get some better light inside this mill's enclosure
03:56 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/XEspOD1NHr0
03:56 PM XXCoder: interesting use of plaster of paris
03:57 PM travis_farmer: as what? an enima? ;-)
03:58 PM perry_j1987: is he casting deer tracks or somethin
03:58 PM XXCoder: no. perry forgot that was a thing. no.
03:59 PM perry_j1987: lol
04:01 PM perry_j1987: found some spearmint growing in the garden
04:01 PM perry_j1987: just made some tea heh
04:01 PM XXCoder: nice
04:02 PM travis_farmer: i saved it to watch later, XX. my headphones need charging...
04:03 PM travis_farmer: looks really neat
04:03 PM perry_j1987: you guys have any tips to impart on using reamers
04:03 PM perry_j1987: recipes or something
04:04 PM travis_farmer: never used one...
04:04 PM XXCoder: not me unfortunately. I used it a lot, but programs was done by someone else
04:04 PM perry_j1987: were you sending it in fast or slow feed
04:06 PM roguish[m]: perry_j1987: take a modest cut. like 0.015" at least. any smaller doesn't do well. but also not too big.
04:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Unterhausen: will roboticists ever understand CNC precision?
04:19 PM Unterhausen: academics stopped worrying about industrial robots a long time ago in the U.S.
04:19 PM perry_j1987: there should be an IRC bot that detects measurements and automatically gives them in metric :P
04:20 PM Unterhausen: I make bike frames, and the tubing diameters are given in mm. But they are really inch dimensions
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 25.4 comes to mind
04:20 PM Unterhausen: more recent ones aren't, but that's only a few, like headsets
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i stopped caring about units of measurement
04:21 PM Unterhausen: this is true of all the manufacturers, all the big ones are not in the U.S.
04:21 PM Unterhausen: inches were defined in terms of SI the year I was born
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I used to hope for a metric alphabet
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my dreams were shattered
04:24 PM perry_j1987: life got easier when i switched to metric
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the majority of machine shops that I contact always want inch vs metric
04:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's like they don't even know what metric is
04:34 PM roguish[m]: most larger commercial machines can switch back and forth. it's the operators who are null
04:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have been surprised by how many businesses that appear to restore, fabricate or manufacture do not have a mill, lathe or welder
04:39 PM XXCoder: LOL inhrietance machining makes a joke about other channels tendance to do "snap and complex but boring procure is done"
05:08 PM roycroft: with cnc, switching between american customary and si units is pretty easy
05:08 PM roycroft: but for manual machining, metric tooling costs so much more in this country i can understand why machine shops want to use american customary whenever possible
05:10 PM roycroft: it is the weekend!
05:10 PM roycroft: that means time to sand and paint
05:10 PM roycroft: which is no differnt to what i've been doing after hours during the week, so i guess it's not a big deal
05:12 PM CAKESLOB: Its also less obvious things like material stock size
05:12 PM CAKESLOB: which on the surface doesnt matter a while lot,
05:12 PM CAKESLOB: but en masse it does
05:13 PM CAKESLOB: like 10mm vs 3/8
05:13 PM CAKESLOB: if you have big order, thats a lot of extra material to remove
05:14 PM CAKESLOB: i used to be militant about it, but now i really just hate imperial hardware
05:14 PM CAKESLOB: no exception
05:14 PM CAKESLOB: that standard is objectively trash
05:14 PM XXCoder: imperial stock cut down into meteric size
05:15 PM XXCoder: had to do that before. its pretty wasteful
05:15 PM CAKESLOB: depends
05:15 PM CAKESLOB: 12mm? no problem
05:15 PM XXCoder: as usual. it always depends on what you need
05:15 PM CAKESLOB: 10mm? might aswell be 12mm
05:16 PM CAKESLOB: mic6 and toolsteel are generally oversized reguardless by at least 1mm every time, even with imperial sizes
05:17 PM roycroft: i use what is available
05:17 PM CAKESLOB: being in bastard inbetween land is the worst
05:17 PM CAKESLOB: european customers want metric sizes
05:18 PM CAKESLOB: us mills dont do metric thickness
05:18 PM roycroft: yet look at what europeans use for wood routers
05:18 PM roycroft: they get machines with 6.4mm and 12.7mm collets
05:18 PM CAKESLOB: canadian mills have anmerican customers so they also dont roll to metric sizes
05:19 PM roycroft: because the router cutters are almost entirely with 1/4" and 1/2" shanks
05:19 PM CAKESLOB: as in steel mills
05:19 PM roycroft: 8mm router shanks are becoming somewhat common
05:19 PM CAKESLOB: "8mm"
05:19 PM CAKESLOB: aka
05:19 PM roycroft: and festool make cutters with 6mm and 12mm shanks
05:19 PM CAKESLOB: 5/16
05:19 PM roycroft: and collets to match
05:20 PM roycroft: yeah, that's the one size where us customary and metric are so close that they're pretty much interchangeable
05:20 PM CAKESLOB: lol unless you need 8mm
05:21 PM CAKESLOB: but yeah
05:21 PM CAKESLOB: one of those bolts
05:21 PM roycroft: anyway, i don't know what the deal is with router cutters in the si world
05:21 PM roycroft: all the rest of the tooling has been metric for decades
05:21 PM CAKESLOB: that they are pretty close they are interchangable
05:21 PM roycroft: the thread pitch is substantially different
05:21 PM CAKESLOB: ha
05:22 PM CAKESLOB: is it?
05:22 PM CAKESLOB: 1/18
05:22 PM roycroft: but if you drill an 8mm hole and a 5/16" hole the runout of your drill chuck will be greater than the difference in the diameters between the cutters
05:24 PM JT[m]: Nice ride today
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05:25 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen , normally it is me causing all the smoke
05:26 PM roycroft: 5/16"-18 has a thread pitch of 0.055"
05:26 PM CAKESLOB: but ive had a fever all week, so it wasnt me
05:26 PM CAKESLOB: yeah
05:26 PM CAKESLOB: 1.39
05:26 PM roycroft: m8-1.5 has a thread pitch of 0.059"
05:26 PM CAKESLOB: 1.25 is stan
05:26 PM roycroft: unless you've cut a very sloppy thread, that 0.004" difference will get you about two revolutions before your screw starts binding
05:27 PM CAKESLOB: its around 2, but yeah
05:27 PM CAKESLOB: but
05:27 PM roycroft: m8-1.25 is even farther off
05:27 PM CAKESLOB: that if you have a special m8 bolt with 1.5
05:27 PM roycroft: it has a pitch of 0.049"
05:27 PM CAKESLOB: visually they are close, its more obvious when comparing the 2
05:27 PM roycroft: so 0.006" per revolution
05:28 PM CAKESLOB: this is all assuming
05:28 PM CAKESLOB: the guy replacing the bolt
05:28 PM CAKESLOB: knows the difference
05:28 PM roycroft: that all depends on how big a wrench the guy has
05:28 PM CAKESLOB: yeah
05:28 PM Tom_L: interference fit
05:29 PM roycroft: and when the guy discovers the problem depends on the shear strength of the bolt
05:29 PM CAKESLOB: when you the guy who has to remachine those parts.....
05:29 PM CAKESLOB: same goes for 3/8
05:30 PM CAKESLOB: tapped a whole die on the cnc using a 3/8 tap by accident
05:30 PM CAKESLOB: programmed m10
05:30 PM CAKESLOB: testing the bolt holes wondering where I went wrong, and I see the m10 tap on the desk
05:30 PM roycroft: my first car was a ford pinto (it did not last long, but it did not catch on fire)
05:30 PM roycroft: this was in the '70s
05:31 PM roycroft: the engine was made in ontario
05:31 PM CAKESLOB: whwere was the trunk made?
05:31 PM roycroft: i bought it used, and it needed a new head gasket
05:31 PM roycroft: half the head bolts were metric, and half were american customary
05:31 PM roycroft: canada was in a weird transition period back then
05:31 PM roycroft: and i guess they decided to export some of that weirdness to us
05:31 PM CAKESLOB: because the gipper backed out
05:32 PM CAKESLOB: and left mulrounie holding the bag
05:32 PM roycroft: huh?
05:32 PM CAKESLOB: regan was suppossed to transition at the same time
05:32 PM CAKESLOB: but he chickened out
05:32 PM CAKESLOB: the gipper
05:32 PM roycroft: jimmy carter was president then
05:33 PM roycroft: and trudeau the elder was pm
05:33 PM roycroft: you're off by a decade
05:35 PM CAKESLOB: which is why I find youre timeline off
05:36 PM CAKESLOB: but im not old enough to argue this from experience
05:36 PM roycroft: th em
05:37 PM roycroft: the metrication of canada started in the early '70s, under the first trudeau government
05:37 PM CAKESLOB: ended because regan waffled
05:37 PM CAKESLOB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_Canada#Metrication_stalled
05:38 PM CAKESLOB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States#20th_century
05:38 PM roycroft: i'm not disputing that metricatin stalled in the '80s under mulroney and reagan
05:38 PM roycroft: i'm saying it started in the '70s in canada
05:39 PM CAKESLOB: i see
05:39 PM roycroft: and that my vehicle had a engine manufactured in canada during that time which had an odd mix of fasteners in a single part
05:39 PM CAKESLOB: thats still the case with pos crysler
05:39 PM Tom_L: they were left over and had to be used
05:39 PM roycroft: possibly something like that
05:40 PM roycroft: it's been a very long time, but iirc the ones in the middle of the head were metric and the ones on the ends were american customary, or vice-versa
05:40 PM roycroft: it wasn't totally random, but there was a mix
05:40 PM roycroft: it would make more sense to me if all the head bolts used one system and, say, the cam bolts the other
05:41 PM roycroft: but to mix the two systems in the same part like that is just weird
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05:41 PM CAKESLOB: would you be suprised to find out, that it can be as simple as,
05:42 PM CAKESLOB: its easier to do that than change everything
05:42 PM CAKESLOB: you have to re-certify so much stuff
05:42 PM CAKESLOB: just to change anything
05:44 PM roycroft: to me it would make more sense to continue to manufacture an existing engine using the old units, and to design and manufacture new engines using the new units
05:44 PM roycroft: instead of retrofitting the new units onto parts of the old engines
05:45 PM XXCoder: engine designing is actually pretty rare
05:45 PM CAKESLOB: tap sizes/ casting is a large change with lots of overhead
05:46 PM XXCoder: elio was first to develop new one after quite a while.
05:46 PM roycroft: and, not being a canadian, i did not follow metrication really closely, but i would not be surprised if the metric commission imposed some kind of "metric content" regulation on manufacturing, similarly to the canadian content regulations imposed by the crtc
05:46 PM CAKESLOB: ha
05:46 PM CAKESLOB: i wish
05:46 PM roycroft: i.e. "by 1975 all cars must be 30% metric; by 1977 they must bet 40% metric ..."
05:46 PM CAKESLOB: i wish it was my job to enforce that
05:46 PM roycroft: and ford would count how many head bolts made up 30%, and converted that many for that year
05:46 PM CAKESLOB: i would bring a gun to work every day
05:47 PM roycroft: xxcoder: i know that most popular engines are manufactured for years, if not decades
05:47 PM XXCoder: to kill noncompliance? sounds extreme
05:47 PM roycroft: with fairly little change
05:48 PM roycroft: although the '70s was the beginning of environmentalism, and fuel economy standards and emissions standards were being mandated for the first time then
05:48 PM roycroft: so a lot of engine redesign was done back then to comply with the new standards
05:48 PM CAKESLOB: well, thats a bit of an overreach, also international market
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: there are manufacturs that put metric heads on imperial bolts
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: like hard metric
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: not likew 19mm/3/4
05:49 PM roycroft: that's just fundamentally wrong
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: ha
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: crysler man
05:50 PM CAKESLOB: ever use a bridgeport clone?
05:50 PM roycroft: but the spindle on my lathe is wrong in that way
05:50 PM roycroft: it's mixed units
05:50 PM roycroft: iirc it's 35mm diameter, 10tpi
05:50 PM roycroft: or 8tpi
05:51 PM roycroft: i'd have to go check the specs again, but it's definitely a metric diameter and us customary thread pitch
05:51 PM roycroft: it's an early 1980s et
05:51 PM roycroft: jet
05:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: https://milkv.io/duo
05:51 PM roycroft: made in taiwan
05:51 PM CAKESLOB: the 1989 tiawan BP clone i have, metric heads imperial threads
05:52 PM CAKESLOB: which
05:52 PM CAKESLOB: saving grace is, princess auto sells imoperial bolts with metric asocklet caps
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: it's for things like making M10/12tpi screws :)
05:52 PM CAKESLOB: the fucking website
05:53 PM * roycroft has to decide what flavor pizza to make tonight
05:53 PM CAKESLOB: made my fan go 150%
05:53 PM roycroft: my basil is not quite big enough to start harvesting :(
05:53 PM CAKESLOB: sounded like a helicopter taking off
05:53 PM roycroft: another week or two
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I vote chocolate and bacon
05:53 PM XXCoder: geez. thay tiny $9 thing is more powerful than my first computer lol
05:53 PM XXCoder: same time, so are my pebble classic watch
05:54 PM roycroft: i haven't made an anchovy pizza in a while, but i just made a tomato-anchovy quiche the other day
05:54 PM CAKESLOB: but what tool chain do you use for riscv
05:54 PM roycroft: so i'm pretty much at my quota for anchovies for the week
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: https://github.com/milk-v/duo-manifest
05:55 PM XXCoder: I cant remember when I last ate anchoovies
05:55 PM XXCoder: decades ago likely
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: typical Linux stuff , it's just not mainline yet
05:56 PM XXCoder: capt wonder if could install some os to make it a linux computer lol
05:56 PM XXCoder: would have to be pretty trim
05:56 PM roycroft: anchovies are delicious
05:56 PM CAKESLOB: the best
05:57 PM roycroft: little explosions of salt and umami in your mouth
05:57 PM CAKESLOB: as an all in one? or as a remo
05:57 PM CAKESLOB: i wasnt sure how you were gonna try and use this one
05:58 PM CAKESLOB: seems to small for a great all in one, but big for a driver
05:58 PM XXCoder: it would be interesting as tiny pc lol (one using tiny screens and such to run some old os
05:59 PM XXCoder: dunno if even possible
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: https://riscv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/12.10-12.50-RISC-V_Summit_Fu_Wei_.pdf
06:00 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen , the main screen i was using was the offical 7inch one, but I also brought a 5 inch one
06:00 PM JT[m]: Tom_L we are on the list for the Ron Fellows driving school
06:04 PM CAKESLOB: ok, youre saying full linuxon it
06:04 PM roycroft: are you going to learn how to drive now that you're retired?
06:04 PM roguish[m]: 0JT "we" ???
06:04 PM roycroft: jt and the chickens
06:07 PM JT[m]: Me and the misses
06:08 PM JT[m]: Going to learn control and accident avoiding
06:08 PM JT[m]: And how to go fast when needed
06:12 PM JT[m]: Roguish she gets to ride along with the instructor
06:12 PM roguish[m]: that's what I call 'aggressive defensive' get the frak out of the way
06:12 PM JT[m]: Yup
06:12 PM roguish[m]: ooo, and for you guys back there. ice driving...
06:13 PM roguish[m]: woowee
06:13 PM JT[m]: I'm good at drifting on snow and ice
06:14 PM CAKESLOB: thats the first thing my dad taught me before I could drive
06:14 PM CAKESLOB: "heeres how you loose and regain control on ice"
06:14 PM JT[m]: Don't let the back wheels get in front of the front wheels
06:15 PM perry_j1987: hey guys, how do i set this up so my tool height setter does not trip when im milling
06:15 PM JT[m]: From vibration?
06:16 PM perry_j1987: sure
06:16 PM JT[m]: and2 a permissive input
06:17 PM CAKESLOB: it will probably trip if your milling the tool height setter, unless your milling the sides i guess
06:17 PM CAKESLOB: relay and NC toolsetter
06:18 PM JT[m]: I'm probing > and2.in.0
06:18 PM JT[m]: Probe output > and2.in1
06:19 PM JT[m]: Freaking static in my right ear
06:27 PM JT[m]: and2.0.out probe.in
06:30 PM XXCoder: so is JT actually president? ;) (they famously had to remember how to drive again after retirement)
06:32 PM JT[m]: LOL, no just a chicken tender
06:33 PM XXCoder: yes sir, presdent chicken tender ;)
06:33 PM JT[m]: :)
06:34 PM JT[m]: My assistant chicken tender is my backup for when we are gone
06:40 PM perry_j1987: i am not fully clear how to implement this
06:40 PM perry_j1987: i have the two probes or2 together
06:44 PM perry_j1987: do i tie it to motion.probe-input or something does that go high when its doing a probing routine?
06:45 PM JT[m]: You could use a digital output
06:57 PM skunkworks[m]: are they both the same logic
06:57 PM skunkworks[m]: ?
07:16 PM JT[m]: JT calls it a night
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07:59 PM XXCoder: its funny that I can see people change login names to remove 4 digit discrimators on irc
08:14 PM TurBoss: <XXCoder> "its funny that I can see..." <- yeah that new discord name thing
08:14 PM XXCoder: yep.
08:14 PM XXCoder: already got prompted and changed mine
08:18 PM TurBoss: I'm still just a number ... lol
08:18 PM XXCoder: I got it much earlier due to nitro
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09:04 PM Unterhausen: I guess there is some jerk named unterhausen that is going to steal my name
09:04 PM Unterhausen: not sure about bonfuto though
09:12 PM * roycroft decided on pizza quattro formaggi tonight
09:12 PM roycroft: i haven't made that kind of pizza in ages
09:12 PM roycroft: and it just sounded good
09:12 PM * roycroft hopes someone will distract the cholesterol police for a bit
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