#linuxcnc Logs
Jun 06 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:08 AM Deejay: moin
12:52 AM XXCoder: https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/13la2d1/thats_a_great_table_design/
12:52 AM XXCoder: interesting epoxy table project
12:52 AM XXCoder: no, its not a river
12:54 AM Deejay: very nice
12:56 AM XXCoder: yeah
02:36 AM travis_farmer: Morning :-)
02:37 AM travis_farmer: that table looked cool as hell, XX
02:37 AM XXCoder: yeah
02:45 AM Papa[m] is now known as Ericdg3932[m]
04:21 AM JT-Cave1: morning
04:24 AM Tom_L: morning
04:26 AM JT-Cave1: looks like I need to add some dialout and tty permissions to my linux pc before LightBurn can see the laser
04:37 AM JT-Cave1: https://docs.lightburnsoftware.com/Installation.html#7z-installer
04:37 AM JT-Cave1: I assume that's why Lightb
04:37 AM JT-Cave1: Lightburn didn't connect yesterday
04:37 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:46 AM JT-Cave: hmm it seems to be online but does not move time for more RTFM
04:46 AM XXCoder: yep read the fun manual
04:48 AM JT-Cave: https://support.xtool.com/hc/en-us/articles/7317000221591-Use-LightBurn-to-Operate-xTool-D1-Pro
04:48 AM JT-Cave: I suspect this is a windblows example because it shows COM12
04:49 AM JT-Cave: https://www.reddit.com/r/xToolD1/comments/zsr58a/xtool_d1_pro_lightburn_on_linux/
05:38 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
05:52 AM JT-Cave: hmm I remember roycroft saying you needed to set a couple of things with XCS before using LightBurn
07:30 AM JT-Shop: ETA 9:27AM
07:31 AM travis_farmer: ETA on what?
07:31 AM JT-Shop: C8
07:31 AM travis_farmer: :-)
07:32 AM JT-Shop: Phil just called me
07:32 AM JT-Shop: and wow did he get to work early
07:39 AM skunkworks[m]: lol - Do you have to do a break in drive?
07:42 AM Tom_L: road trip!
07:53 AM JT-Shop: yup fixing to leave to see it arrive
07:53 AM JT-Shop: yes 1500 miles break in in various stages
07:53 AM * Tom_L bets JT-Shop was up before the chickens today
08:06 AM travis_farmer: my Mesa board from mesaus, tracking says arriving today, but it is listed as being in "SAINT LOUIS MO DISTRIBUTION CENTER"... i don't think it is coming today... :-(
08:31 AM travis_farmer: Hmmm, mail came, mo mesaus package... :-(
09:10 AM * JT[m] uploaded an image: (240KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/naJXJHlgRfLYOFJYPOSndUqp/20230606_090734.jpg >
09:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: sudo enable cereal port
09:31 AM skunkworks[m]: going to need picutres..
09:32 AM skunkworks[m]: before it gets dirty from the drive..
09:51 AM JT[m]: Yup, waiting on the truck now
09:59 AM * roycroft needs to flip the calendar back to may - there's too much to do in the next few weeks
10:00 AM * JT[m] uploaded an image: (370KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/bOuPcIsxOHXOkDLXRUmEDnnE/20230606_095919.jpg >
10:01 AM travis_farmer: :-)
10:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: those cars all look like plastic bags :)
10:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone been to the Bowling Green Assembly Plant in the past 10 years? I haven't been since the 80's
10:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I wonder how different it looks now
10:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: JT: how long has your wait been since starting the order until today?
10:27 AM travis_farmer: i think JT is too lost in his new car... he has left us ;-)
10:28 AM perry_j1987: ugh
10:28 AM perry_j1987: back at this trying to figure out my wiring issue heh
10:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: which color wire is usually the most problematic?
10:30 AM perry_j1987: i did this to myself i did not have enough room on the back panel to fit enough aircraft connectors so i made an 8 pin aircraft connector pigtail that goes to a screw terminal board for the inputs
10:30 AM perry_j1987: then i bodged wires to the screw terminals on the bottom of the board to tie in gnd and 12v where they were needed and then the inputs etc
10:32 AM perry_j1987: continuity tests so far checking out
10:36 AM perry_j1987: ok putting it back on the machine electrically it looks like it should check out
10:46 AM roycroft: just remember that if you are using any european components you need some special wires - the hot wire needs to be black on the us end and brown on the european end, and the neutral needs to be white on the us end and blue on the european end
10:47 AM roycroft: fortunately, green with yellow stripes works for ground at both ends
10:49 AM perry_j1987: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BFTRTBC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I have this BOB
10:50 AM perry_j1987: i plugged into the 12v out and gnd there
10:50 AM perry_j1987: my old controller i think i was running off the 5v section towards the bottom left with the inputs
10:50 AM perry_j1987: maybe thats an issue
10:57 AM perry_j1987: nope same deal hmm
11:13 AM Scopeuk: want to try rubber ducking the problem and just walking us through what you are expecting and what you are seeing with the wiring?
11:53 AM JT-Cave: roycroft, what did you have to set with the xtool software?
11:55 AM travis_farmer: is it home JT?
11:57 AM JT-Cave: no
11:57 AM JT-Cave: dealer has to install a couple of things and swap out the wheels then do a PDI
11:57 AM travis_farmer: ahh, ok. had me worried for a second
11:58 AM roycroft: i have to use it for firmware upgrades, and i had to set the flame detector sensitivity
11:59 AM JT-Cave: thanks
12:00 PM JT-Cave: right now I seem to be having a communication issue with linux and making it move or home
12:00 PM ithe2guu[m]: i want to install the probe screen in axis
12:01 PM ithe2guu[m]: should i go with probe screen v1 or v2?
12:01 PM ithe2guu[m]: what is the differnce between the old and new versions?
12:01 PM ithe2guu[m]: https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen_v2
12:07 PM JT-Cave: CaptHindsight[m], I placed the order on 3/17
12:09 PM * JT-Cave goes to manicure the driveway so the UPS driver will stop complaining and deliver packages to the house
12:16 PM roguish[m]: ithe2guu: depends on which linuxcnc version you are running.....
12:16 PM perry_j1987: hmm
12:17 PM perry_j1987: bypassed this pigtail cord i made got everything wired in
12:17 PM perry_j1987: directly to the BOB
12:21 PM perry_j1987: the tool height setter triggers on pin 12. that part i can see in hal monitor
12:21 PM perry_j1987: the touch probe is on pin 12 and i dont see it triggering in hal monitor but the onboard LED is green and turns red when you trigger it
12:22 PM perry_j1987: put multimeter on the signal pin of the touch probe and vcc and it goes down but not to full ground
12:24 PM ithe2guu[m]: i am on 2.8.
01:19 PM Lcvette[m]: <JT[m]> "20230606_095919.jpg" <- AWESOME JT!!!!
01:30 PM roycroft: you ordered it on march 17th and it's not kelly green?
02:00 PM JT-Shop: no way lol
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a friend did similar with his Corvette years ago, he watched it trucked from the factory as it passed by on its way up to the dealer he ordered it through a couple hundred miles further along from here, it stopped at the local Chevy dealer but it had to be dropped off up in Wi
02:03 PM roycroft: i've never purchased a brand new car/truck
02:04 PM roycroft: although i'd like to buy an ev soon
02:05 PM roycroft: i actually found a good deal on a low mileage 2011 nissan leaf the other day
02:05 PM roycroft: or so i thought, until i did some research
02:06 PM roycroft: the vehicle looked brand new, and had 60k miles, and was listed at $6500
02:06 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight[m], we watched it on the computer as it traveled
02:06 PM roycroft: that seemed great, but then i did some reading and found that the 2011-2012 leafs had very poor battery life
02:07 PM roycroft: and nissan have increased the cost of the battery pack to $8500 recently
02:07 PM roycroft: without fixing the problem (they don't properly cool the lithium ion batteries, so they get really hot in the summer)
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: but they last through the warranty period
02:09 PM JT-Shop: when Honda had an issue with the Civic hybrid battery they doubled the warranty
02:09 PM roycroft: not really, from what i've read
02:09 PM roycroft: they lose 50% of capacity within a couple years in warmer climates
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ever since Nissan and Renault got together it's been downhill for reliability
02:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: touchy ECU's that throw codes when things are still in parameters or sense 3rd party parts
02:13 PM roycroft: well the leaf was an early ev, but there were hybrids around for over a decade before the leaf came out
02:14 PM roycroft: my prius is an '02 - first generation prius, and even it has active battery cooling, even though the battery pack is small and not used all that often
02:14 PM roycroft: well, not used often if one drives sanely
02:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe there is a hackable EV out there where people have discovered the tricks to making them last longer
02:14 PM roycroft: nissan should have learned from that and the echo
02:14 PM roycroft: modern evs last very long
02:15 PM roycroft: and btw, my prius is on the original battery pack, 20 years and 250k miles later
02:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nah they learned to make $$
02:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like Jeep
02:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sell crap, lie about service, push problems out past the warranty
02:18 PM roycroft: i've owned two datsuns
02:18 PM roycroft: no nissans
02:18 PM roycroft: the datsuns were pretty reliable
02:19 PM roycroft: i don't know if the name change affected that or not
02:20 PM JT-Shop: so the UPS driver is much happier now that I manicured the driveway
02:23 PM roycroft: keeping the brown truck happy is important
02:31 PM JT-Shop: another problem solved... got my price for the C5 trade in
02:31 PM travis-farmer: $10? ;-)
02:31 PM JT-Shop: a bit more...
02:32 PM travis-farmer: he he he
02:32 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, did you get a spares box with your xTool?
02:32 PM travis-farmer: not supposed to have any spares... what did you forget? ;-)
02:32 PM JT-Shop: I could have gotten more for the C5 but if it took more than 30 days I'd end up paying taxes for the whole amount
02:33 PM JT-Shop: it was a surprise box
02:34 PM JT-Shop: travis-farmer, UPS is playing games and said the box from Mesa would arrive tomorrow then 15 minutes later said it's rescheduled for Thursday as the original date was
02:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: it was sometime in the 90's
02:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Renault and Nissan have been partners since 1999
02:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan%E2%80%93Mitsubishi_Alliance
02:35 PM travis-farmer: ok, so they got lost, and don't know where they are going... ;-) not a problem :-)
02:36 PM travis-farmer: i am usualy easy to get along with (when i take my meds) :-)
02:36 PM roycroft: yes, jt-shop
02:39 PM roycroft: i got a little plastic box with some tools, a spare lens, extra fasteners
02:39 PM roycroft: and a packet of cardboard and thin wood samples to test with
02:40 PM JT-Shop: hmm I've installed the windblows xtool software but it can't find the laser...
02:40 PM JT-Shop: I got the same stuff
02:41 PM travis-farmer: check device manager for a bad driver, maybe?
02:43 PM roycroft: do you have it connected via usb?
02:43 PM roycroft: i haven't tried the wifi on my laser - i doubt it would work, because it wants to automagically configure itself, and my network does not accomodate that
02:46 PM JT-Shop: yes, I'm using the supplied usb cable
02:48 PM perry_j1987: back
02:49 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, try hot plugging it in a different USB port
02:50 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Shop: quick question on mesact, is mesact or mesact2 what i should be recommending?
02:50 PM Lcvette[m]: if mesact2 i did not see any installation in the readme
02:50 PM Tom_L: mesact2 isn't done yet
02:50 PM Tom_L: afik
02:50 PM Lcvette[m]: ok
02:52 PM roycroft: i'd try the usual stuff - a different usb port, as mentioned, power cycling the laser while the software is running, etc.
02:53 PM roycroft: i'm using mac os, and i don't recall any problems finding it
02:53 PM roycroft: see if lightburn will connect to it
02:54 PM roycroft: there is a config file for lightburn on, iirc, the xtool website
02:54 PM Tom_L: i wonder if it matters if you install the laser or lightburn first
02:54 PM roycroft: no
02:54 PM roycroft: it's runtime detection
02:54 PM Tom_L: ik
02:54 PM Tom_L: ok
02:54 PM roycroft: at least on mac os
02:55 PM roycroft: but likely on windows as well
02:55 PM travis-farmer: does it need a FTDI or CH340 driver?
02:55 PM roycroft: i'd plug the laser into a linux machine and see if linux detects it
02:55 PM roycroft: that would isolate theproblem
02:56 PM * roycroft is assuming the xtool is plugged in and powered on :)
02:56 PM JT-Shop: that was the original problem, LightBurn said ready but would not do anything
02:56 PM JT-Shop: yup
02:56 PM roycroft: well install the lightburn config for xtool and see if lightburn is happier
02:57 PM roycroft: and if so, and the xtool software still doesn't see it, it's time to contact xtool support
03:01 PM roycroft: https://support.xtool.com/hc/article_attachments/7316804567447/xTool-D1ProV3.lbdev
03:04 PM JT-Shop: yup got that
03:10 PM perry_j1987: apparently this BOB may have an issue with Pin 12
03:10 PM perry_j1987: switched the config to diff pin and its registering both probe touches now heh
03:34 PM JT-Shop: Lcvette[m], mesact2 is in heavy development and not ready for prime time yet
03:34 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, tried that a few times
03:36 PM roycroft: i just got a call from an angry person that was rather interesting
03:36 PM roycroft: he told me i was impersonating him, and trying to steal his business
03:36 PM travis-farmer: odd...
03:36 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:36 PM roycroft: i asked who he was, and when he told me i figured out what is going on
03:37 PM roycroft: the guy used to have a business registered in the same name as my business
03:37 PM roycroft: he abandoned that business in 2009
03:37 PM roycroft: i registered that business name a bit over a year ago, over a dozen years after he abandoned it
03:37 PM roycroft: i informed him of this
03:37 PM roycroft: and he told me he never "abandoned" it
03:38 PM roycroft: he just decided to stop paying the government, but still operates his business
03:39 PM travis-farmer: if he didn't pay, he doesn't have it anymore... ;-)
03:39 PM roycroft: apparently he went into a local hardwood supplier and was denied wholesale pricing because they know he does not own the business
03:39 PM roycroft: and he accused me of telling them not to sell to him
03:39 PM roycroft: which is ludicrous, because i had no idea he was still operating in any way using that name
03:40 PM roycroft: when i set up my wholesale account with them they told me that my business already had an account, and i told them it couldn't, because i had just registered it
03:40 PM roycroft: they did a lookup on the state's corporate records site and determined that i had just registered the business, so they set up the account for me
03:40 PM travis-farmer: call the cops, and press charges of harassment
03:40 PM roycroft: well it was just the one call
03:40 PM roycroft: but it was rather bizarre, and out of the blue
03:41 PM roycroft: if this becomes a recurring issue, i think not a call to the cops is in order, but a call to the oregon department of revenue and the internal revenue service :)
03:41 PM travis-farmer: yes, that too
03:42 PM roycroft: i'm not out to cause trouble for anyone, though
03:42 PM roycroft: i have been dragging my feet on my trademark application, though
03:43 PM roycroft: primarily deciding whether a state trademark ($75 and no attorney needed) vs. a federal trademark (several thousand dollars by the time the attorney fees are paid) is the right way to go
03:43 PM XXCoder: wonder if guy registered for a year to register lots wholesale accounts then closed it
03:43 PM XXCoder: then exploiting that for years, till you broke it lol
03:43 PM roycroft: i'm thinking after that phone call a state trademark is cheap insurance
03:44 PM roycroft: that could well be, xxcoder - and this guy would not be the only person to have ever done that
03:45 PM roycroft: i see he originally registered the business in 2003 and let it lapse in 2005
03:45 PM roycroft: and then registered it again in 2007 and let it lapse in 2009
03:45 PM roycroft: registrations were for 2 years at the time
03:45 PM XXCoder: weird
03:46 PM travis-farmer: likely he tried to register it again, and you had it ;-)
03:46 PM roycroft: so it could well be that he registered in 2003 to get some wholesale pricing
03:46 PM roycroft: and then again in 2007 to get some more wholesale pricing
03:46 PM roycroft: possibly, travis-farmer, but i think his losing wholesale pricing at the hardwood supplier's is what caused him to call
03:47 PM XXCoder: if I owned a business offering wholesale, I would cull dead businesses from list once a year
03:47 PM travis-farmer: true
03:47 PM roycroft: i should probably also go to my suppliers and make sure that they not that i am the only person authorized to buy from them under my business name
03:47 PM roycroft: note, that is
03:48 PM roycroft: i'd hate for this guy to go around representing himself as me
03:48 PM roycroft: in fact, if i had any clue that he was still operating under the table i might have chosen a different name just to avoid any confusion/conflict
03:49 PM roycroft: i had watched the business registry for a couple years, but hadn't registered the name after i decided i wanted it
03:50 PM roycroft: i was waiting for the internet domain name.com to become available - it was registered to an outfit in the lower mainland, bc
03:50 PM roycroft: and their website indicated that they were probably defunct
03:50 PM roycroft: so i waited for the domain to expire and be expunged, and then i registered the domain name
03:50 PM roycroft: and the same day i registered the business name
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I guess windblows 7 which won't update is the issue...
03:54 PM roycroft: aah
03:55 PM XXCoder: roy nice. always good to have good domain along with name
03:55 PM JT-Shop: seems to be updating the firmware... the update switch was in the update mode... wonder if that is part of the issue here
03:56 PM travis-farmer: my domain was poorly chosen i think. not sure if it states my line of work well enough...
03:56 PM roycroft: mine wanted to do an update the other day
03:56 PM roycroft: i let it
03:56 PM roycroft: and it is still capable of putting my eye out, so apparently the update worked
03:57 PM roycroft: i did it right before installing the 20w laser head
04:03 PM JT-Shop: it moved with the xtool software!
04:12 PM travis-farmer: thats a start :-)
04:15 PM JT-Shop: still cant get it work here on debian...
04:19 PM travis-farmer: is lightburn a yearly/monthly subscription, or a one-time payment?
04:20 PM roycroft: it's a permanent license, but i think upgrades cost money after a point
04:20 PM roycroft: it's only $60
04:20 PM travis-farmer: ok
04:21 PM roycroft: $60 for the class machine i have
04:21 PM roycroft: it goes up to $210, max
04:21 PM roycroft: and the license is for two seats
04:21 PM roycroft: they will extend it to three upon request
04:22 PM travis-farmer: yeah, i plan on mounting a laser beside my spindle...
04:22 PM roycroft: the license can also be transferred
04:23 PM roycroft: while the license is permanent, support (including upgrades) is per year, and the renewal is $30/year
04:23 PM travis-farmer: i will just use you for free support... (kidding) ;-)
04:24 PM * JT-Shop goes to make some chicken crack
04:25 PM roycroft: it's the software upgrades that you want
04:26 PM travis-farmer: yeah, i know. i was being funny ;-)
04:26 PM roycroft: i don't think you'll normally need xtool support for issues - the software is very widely-deployed, it works well, and there are forums where you can go for support
04:26 PM XXCoder: isnt there laser controller server program
04:27 PM roycroft: i believe you can use linuxcnc for it though
04:27 PM XXCoder: I used it for my laser machine but I cant remember name for it
04:27 PM roycroft: and iirc you modulate the power with the spindle speed
04:28 PM XXCoder: ah yes!
04:28 PM XXCoder: laserweb
04:28 PM roycroft: yeah, i tried that when i got that laserpecker thing
04:29 PM roycroft: i was not impressed with the software, and the laserpecker is utterly useless
04:29 PM * Tom_L thinks roycroft sniffs out trouble or it is attracted to him
04:29 PM roycroft: the only good it did me was inspire me to find a good laser machine
04:29 PM roycroft: i live in a part of the country that's full of crazy people :)
04:30 PM Tom_L: i had a friend that happened to only he sued and won since it was his name
04:30 PM XXCoder: ugh checked it and it runs in docker now
04:30 PM XXCoder: docker is pretty horrible
04:30 PM roycroft: i very intentionally did not use my name in the company name
04:30 PM * roycroft has never been a fan of docker
04:30 PM Tom_L: no i meant his company name
04:31 PM travis-farmer: roycroft: just checked a LinuxCNC output from lightburn i did the other day (trial version), and it controls the laser with M67 :-)
04:33 PM perry_j1987: interesting. these little cheap touch probes from aliexpress can be turned into tool setters too heh https://amzn.to/3WWKuHd
04:33 PM travis-farmer: creates some really big g-code files too. 5.54MB!
04:33 PM roycroft: ok
04:33 PM XXCoder: travis sounds like it doesnt use g2 g3
04:33 PM travis-farmer: ??
04:34 PM XXCoder: if it does arcs using solely g1 it would make massive files
04:34 PM travis-farmer: nope, G1 everywhere...
04:34 PM XXCoder: thats what I said.
04:34 PM travis-farmer: yeah, you typed faster than me ;-)
04:35 PM roycroft: how are you going to focus your laser, travis-farmer?
04:36 PM travis-farmer: very carefully, i think ;-) i plan on havig my touch probe mounted so i can touch-off and then rise to a pre-set offset
04:37 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, are you using linux with lightburn?
04:37 PM Tom_L: mac
04:37 PM Tom_L: i think
04:38 PM * Tom_L goes out to use an easy out and hopes the name fits the task
04:39 PM JT-Shop: go slow
04:40 PM JT-Shop: oh my it just connected when I changed to ttyUSB0
04:40 PM JT-Shop: yippie it works now
04:40 PM roycroft: yes, mac os
04:40 PM travis-farmer: great, JT :-)
04:41 PM roycroft: i might dedicate a laptop to the laser, though, and if i do i'll run linux on it
04:42 PM JT-Shop: I have an old XP laptop...
04:43 PM JT-Shop: I wonder if lightburn works on a rpi?
04:43 PM roycroft: i've wondered that too
04:43 PM roycroft: because that would be perfect for directly connecting to the laser machine
04:43 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:44 PM JT-Shop: I have one setup down in the cave I can test with
04:44 PM roycroft: please let me know how it goes
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I think I need to do a test burn on something
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I will
04:45 PM roycroft: i'm about ready to start repainting my enclosure
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I'll see if it loads in the morning if I remember
04:45 PM roycroft: i have a little sanding to do, but i'll probably be ready for primer tonight
04:45 PM roycroft: after my meeting
04:45 PM JT-Shop: I've been a bit distracted as of late...
04:45 PM * roycroft has been rather busy of late as well
04:46 PM travis-farmer: i can't imagine why, JT ;-)
04:46 PM roycroft: and the fair starts one month from tomorrow
04:46 PM JT-Shop: things should calm down now that Revere is shutting down... looks like retirement to me
04:46 PM JT-Shop: got lots of work to do before the fair?
04:46 PM roycroft: oh, yes
04:46 PM roycroft: it's cram time
04:48 PM roycroft: fortunately our booth did not get a red tag this year, so no major repairs are needed
04:48 PM roycroft: but i'm building a new fixture for the booth
04:52 PM JT-Shop: what is the fixture for?
04:53 PM roycroft: a stand-alone display counter that will sit off to the side of the main booth
04:54 PM roycroft: it should be pretty easy to make - a simple frame, which will be covered with curtains
04:54 PM roycroft: the top will be a couple pieces of birch slab that i have to flatten and join together
04:54 PM roycroft: i'll join them with dominos, but i might inlay some bow ties out of contrasting wood, for appearance
04:54 PM roycroft: the slabs are live edge
04:55 PM roycroft: the bark was loose, so i removed it, and got in trouble for doing so
04:55 PM roycroft: i was told i should have secured it on the slabs
04:55 PM roycroft: but now we have a new rule that bark must be removed from live edges
04:55 PM roycroft: so i did the right thing before it was the right thing
04:56 PM roycroft: and if i had epoxied it on i would have had to destroy the live edge removing it
04:56 PM JT-Shop: yep leaving the bark on invites bugs to move in
04:57 PM JT-Shop: I think the air assist is 6mm OD tubing
04:57 PM * travis-farmer signs out to eat some pot roast :-)
04:58 PM roycroft: yes
04:58 PM roycroft: and we're really concerned about the emerald ash borer
04:58 PM roycroft: we're not the only ones
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I'll have to scrounge some from Revere... gave them all my metric tubing a while back
04:58 PM roycroft: washington county is the only county in oregon that has been confirmed to be infected
04:59 PM roycroft: and they have a very strict no moving wood in or out of the county rule, other than stamped, kiln-dried wood
04:59 PM roycroft: the fine is up to $100,000 for doing so
04:59 PM roycroft: so they're pretty serious about it
05:00 PM XXCoder: boring beetles is pretty bad so not surpised on that
05:01 PM roycroft: this one is the worst
05:01 PM roycroft: it's tiny - less than 1cm in length
05:01 PM roycroft: you won't see the beetle near the ground - it lays its eggs high in the canopy
05:01 PM roycroft: and it's the larvae that kill the tree
05:02 PM roycroft: the morbidity rate is almost 100%
05:02 PM XXCoder: wow
05:02 PM roycroft: it takes a tree a year or two to die after being infested
05:02 PM roycroft: and when the tree dies, it not only has zero commercial value, it is very dangerous
05:02 PM XXCoder: as trees go that is rapid death by bugs indeed
05:03 PM roycroft: the tree becomes very brittle
05:03 PM XXCoder: I guess it could infect others as it falls over
05:03 PM roycroft: probably not
05:04 PM roycroft: but the adult beetles will take care of that
05:04 PM roycroft: what it can do is kill people when it falls over
05:04 PM roycroft: fortunately, the public areas of the fair have a pretty diverse ecosystem
05:05 PM roycroft: there are parts of the public areas that are 75% or more ash, and parts that have almost no ash
05:05 PM roycroft: but outside the public areas, in the campgrounds and work areas, there is a very high percentage of ash trees
05:05 PM roycroft: we're talking about thousands of them
05:06 PM roycroft: this is way worse than dutch elm or fuzzy moth infestations
05:07 PM roycroft: er, spongy moth
05:07 PM * roycroft is still getting used to the new name for the g**sey moth
05:10 PM * JT-Shop now needs to figure out LightBurn
05:10 PM JT-Shop: laser works nice btw
05:29 PM roycroft: it's made well, jt-shop
05:29 PM roycroft: the fit and finish is better than one would expect for the cost
05:29 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:30 PM roycroft: and it's well-engineered
05:30 PM roycroft: the ease of swapping parts is really nice, as well as the expandability
05:30 PM * roycroft gets back to sanding
06:16 PM perry_j1987: so what are you guys using for 3d touch probe subroutines and tool length setters
06:25 PM JT-Shop: cradek, created some great ones
06:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cradek/
06:27 PM skunkworks[m]: I use them all the time
06:27 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I wrote my own based on the Renishaw macros.
06:28 PM perry_j1987: i've been playing with chatGPT 4 to see what its capable of doing writing subroutines heh
08:54 PM skunkworks[m]: ugh
08:54 PM skunkworks[m]: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-amp-computer-solutions/459502-cnc-software-3.html#post2555354
08:54 PM XXCoder: ugh physics says no
08:59 PM skunkworks[m]: mach3/4 has no real way to tell it how close to follow a programmed path.
08:59 PM skunkworks[m]: so - if it isn't following your path to your liking - your accelleration is set to low.
08:59 PM skunkworks[m]: what a pile
09:01 PM XXCoder: mach is not great at all from what I see. lcnc is way better
09:01 PM XXCoder: sure it takes more work to setup but you have much better control.
09:01 PM XXCoder: you can turn off cornering for example, if you want sharp corners, or turn it on for smooth curves
09:02 PM XXCoder: or tiny radius at corners
09:02 PM skunkworks[m]: yes - you can tell the machine what following tollerance you want - G64P.005 says - go as fast as the feedrate dictates - but slow down to keep the path within .005
09:04 PM XXCoder: I once edited linuxcnc default gcode to have smooth or sharp corners using that gcode lol it was interesting
09:04 PM XXCoder: i dont know if I saved it or not
09:07 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have different G64 settings in my post processor file for roughing and finishing ops. Really nice feature to have.
09:08 PM skunkworks[m]: Right!? how do people live without knowing how well the machine follows the programmed path?
09:09 PM skunkworks[m]: I poked the bear some more
09:10 PM XXCoder: yeah you really need to work with physics
09:11 PM XXCoder: my machine wasnt complete yet so I never worked out the best usage for it by time I put it into "storage"
09:11 PM XXCoder: but I already was dealing with some of stuff with machine limitions and accerations.
09:12 PM XXCoder: funny enough I never really had to deal with it when I worked with larger machines. they program it for me, and I pretty rarely altered gcode.
09:55 PM skunkworks[m]: https://youtu.be/KoMtTx_7Q4k
09:55 PM skunkworks[m]: maybe this will get my point across
09:56 PM XXCoder: awesome video
09:58 PM XXCoder: theres no audio right?
09:58 PM mits5782[m]: audio is working for me
09:58 PM mits5782[m]: he's talking
09:58 PM XXCoder: ah I will have to wait for autocaptions then
09:59 PM mits5782[m]: google should be able to, dang
09:59 PM XXCoder: its not instant, video is literally minutes old :)
10:00 PM mits5782[m]: Sure, but his talking is very clear... I use live captions on my phone and I assumed it would use the same feed, but meh
10:01 PM mits5782[m]: your point is valid
10:01 PM XXCoder: well clearness of speaking dont matter to me, as im deaf :D
10:01 PM mits5782[m]: I meant google should be able to do it live
10:02 PM mits5782[m]: First he shows the G code, explaining that each pass is getting a tighter tolerance on path following
10:02 PM mits5782[m]: the G64 lines are visible
10:02 PM XXCoder: yeah. that was what I assumed was spoken about, if there was any audio
10:02 PM mits5782[m]: then at 1:30 he starts running the code and showing the follow path
10:02 PM mits5782[m]: mmmk
10:05 PM mits5782[m]: skunkworks (@_discord_1020005159679578132:jauriarts.org) I'm wondering are you trying to say you wish the G64 was a configurable thing of the machine, not of the program being run?
10:06 PM mits5782[m]: because I do sorta wish a few things were settable as machine defaults, rather than the rule of always having them in your starting g code
10:06 PM mits5782[m]: I agree about prudence saying that you should set things to control them
10:06 PM mits5782[m]: but I also do not like that the default of G64 is uh.... infinite? is that right?
10:08 PM mits5782[m]: I guess I mean G61 vs G64
10:08 PM XXCoder: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/common_User_Concepts.html#r1_1_3
10:09 PM skunkworks[m]: No - I am just saying that the machine control should be able to follow the path to what you set it to. Like linuxcnc does.
10:09 PM XXCoder: 61 and g61.1, latter is interesting. wonder if its the case if it is same direction
10:09 PM mits5782[m]: mm
10:09 PM skunkworks[m]: https://www.cnczone.com/forums/controller-amp-computer-solutions/459502-cnc-software-3.html#post2555364
10:10 PM skunkworks[m]: he doesn't get it. The machine accelleration and or programmed speed should have no control over how well the machine follows the programmed path
10:10 PM skunkworks[m]: you dictate how close you want the machine to follow the programmed path
10:11 PM XXCoder: if it fails its up to user to fix and adjust stuff
10:11 PM mits5782[m]: yes, you're right... he doesn't get it
10:11 PM skunkworks[m]: youhouka I think in master? the default G64P value is set to something sane.
10:11 PM mits5782[m]: oh, I don't mind what it's defaulting to really
10:11 PM mits5782[m]: I /wish/ I could set the defaults, but it's not necessary really
10:12 PM skunkworks[m]: yah - I have it as my first line... Always.
10:12 PM mits5782[m]: but also I'm running 2.9 something... maybe not HEAD but uh... something nearish
10:12 PM mits5782[m]: Feb 8th snapshot I guess
10:13 PM skunkworks[m]: I have not been keeping up much
10:13 PM mits5782[m]: I'm keeping backups of the machine, so if something goes wrong I can roll back
10:14 PM skunkworks[m]: can you set it in the [RS274NGC] section?
10:15 PM skunkworks[m]: in the ini? I have not tried it
10:15 PM mits5782[m]: oh
10:15 PM mits5782[m]: yes I can
10:15 PM skunkworks[m]: RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE =
10:15 PM mits5782[m]: RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE
10:15 PM skunkworks[m]: lol
10:16 PM mits5782[m]: so my lamentations are just whinging 🙂
10:16 PM skunkworks[m]: there are some things you can't put in there - but I would try it and see
10:18 PM mits5782[m]: okay, I'm gonna tangent a little because this worked...
10:18 PM mits5782[m]: the only other thing I wish for is an 'undo' on touchoff actions
10:18 PM mits5782[m]: has anyone got a workflow of any kind that helps with the 'o shit, I meant to touch off on Z not on X' sort of actions?
10:19 PM mits5782[m]: cause like... if I touch off on X instead of Z... my workpiece is now scrapped before I even start the program
10:19 PM mits5782[m]: because I can't get back to my original X touch off easily
10:22 PM skunkworks[m]: lol - that has been discussed before.. I don't think anyone has done it though.. (yes - I would like that too - sometimes I touchoff the wrong axis)
10:23 PM mits5782[m]: I'm probably going to just make a fs/d/inotify hook on the .vars file and git commit at each change
10:23 PM mits5782[m]: so then I get timestamps and changes to look at
10:23 PM mits5782[m]: but I will still have to do the undo manually, but at least it will be doable 🙂
10:24 PM XXCoder: I guess its best to always write down coord on paper
10:24 PM XXCoder: I always did
10:24 PM XXCoder: tool offsets also
10:25 PM mits5782[m]: yeah
10:28 PM skunkworks[m]: why is centos popular for some things?
10:29 PM skunkworks[m]: I mean.. I get around it - but boy - I would rather use debian
10:58 PM roycroft: because it's essentially rh
10:58 PM roycroft: and there is commercial support for rh, hence, a lot of software written to run on rh
11:07 PM roycroft: and remember that rh's target is windows, not other linux distros
11:08 PM XXCoder: the awesome thing about open source is if some distro turns into crap, theres more distros to go to.
11:08 PM XXCoder: ubuntu is going bad lately, my next os install will be lmde version of linux mint.