#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 25 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:51 AM Deejay: moin
12:45 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:12 AM randy: morning
02:16 AM daight4206460[m]: question, my machines program is making straight rapid moves but they come out with big curves that ran into the part anybody have ideas what it could be?
02:16 AM daight4206460[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu_imY_tRQM&t=52s&ab_channel=Dt
02:16 AM daight4206460[m]: video of where it happens it should be pullight up in z and then positioning in x and y but it does a curved move in z when it should be a straight move
02:17 AM daight4206460[m]: im going to be looking into g64 irc exact stop to seee if that does anything
02:18 AM XXCoder: there is gcod to set curve comp, and to turn that off
02:18 AM jpa-: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/177 made some similar problems for me
02:18 AM jpa-: AFAIK it is still present in 2.8
02:19 AM XXCoder: hmm interesting
02:46 AM travis_farmer[m]: Morning ☕️
02:47 AM TurBoss: morning
04:23 AM Bing[m]: morning
04:28 AM Tom_L: morning
04:54 AM Tom_L: daight4206460[m], wouldn't affect it here but i have my Z HOME_SEQUENCE = 0 and X&Y = 1. i also program my Z moves on a separate line from X&Y unless it's a 3d profile
04:55 AM Tom_L: just a couple things to check.. i've never experienced your problem
05:19 AM JT-Cave1: morning
05:21 AM * travis_farmer[m] wonders how many computers JT has, what with the number of different logins... ;-)
05:28 AM * JT-Cave1 wonders how many computers he has now
05:28 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:32 AM jpa-: daight4206460[m]: your acceleration values are probably also set to pretty low
05:33 AM jpa-: do note that https://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g0 "The path of a G0 rapid motion can be rounded at direction changes and depends on the trajectory control settings and maximum acceleration of the axes."
05:33 AM jpa-: even if you do them on separate lines
05:33 AM jpa-: i'm not sure whether G64 applies to G0 or only to G1
05:58 AM rmu: https://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/user/user-concepts.html#sec:trajectory-control
05:59 AM rmu: "When using G0 (rapid) moves with G64 use caution on clearance moves and allow enough distance to clear obstacles based on the acceleration capabilities of your machine."
08:07 AM daight4206460[m]: Yes my z axis acceleration are very slow
08:51 AM tiwake: hey, been a while
09:46 AM skunkworks[m]: G64 is applied to rapids
09:49 AM skunkworks[m]: pretty sure the next release of linuxcnc has a 'default' setting for G64.
09:50 AM skunkworks[m]: Which is probably good. (every program start I type 'G64P.005' (inches)
09:56 AM Tom_L: funny how some have trouble with it and some don't
09:58 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, https://www.amazon.com/Ground-Cabinet-Crystals-Piano-Repair/dp/B071CVQZTW/ref=d_pb_allspark_dp_sims_pao_desktop_session_based_vft_none_sccl_2_2/139-1598671-5645312?pd_rd_w=nyqZC&content-id=amzn1.sym.6b5008ac-c24a-4aea-a3ea-015a531184f5&pf_rd_p=6b5008ac-c24a-4aea-a3ea-015a531184f5&pf_rd_r=KVZYK6HZYVM7KQVTTPZ8&pd_rd_wg=rqQxt&pd_rd_r=b4c1e72b-4674-4b48-9c22-b42f56b0e63f&pd_rd_i=B071CVQZTW&psc=1
09:58 AM Tom_L: would last you a lifetime
09:59 AM Tom_L: just add water and heat
10:00 AM Unterhausen: if machinekit-hal is ongoing like I hear, why are there no commits on github?
10:00 AM Tom_L: do you believe everything you hear?
10:00 AM Tom_L: if so i have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you
10:01 AM bjorkintosh: Tom_L, *future* beach front property. give it a few years :-)
10:01 AM Tom_L: :)
10:02 AM Tom_L: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/20/1170987694/a-once-vibrant-california-lake-is-back-why-thats-not-necessarily-a-good-thing
10:02 AM Unterhausen: there were many machinekit users at tormach over the weekend
10:02 AM Unterhausen: I'm wondering if I'm looking at the right github
10:02 AM Tom_L: then they just don't wanna share with you!
10:03 AM Unterhausen: pocketnc runs on machinekit, includes a beaglebone
10:03 AM Tom_L: i've no idea really. i kinda thought it was dying out
10:03 AM bjorkintosh: Unterhausen, maybe they're using older kits, so older software works just fine?
10:04 AM Unterhausen: I suppose not changing can be nice
10:04 AM bjorkintosh: let's face it, the reason constant updates are needed for a lot of software, is because they're badly written in the first place. Perhaps machinekit is perfectly written and requires no further updates?!
10:04 AM Unterhausen: well, it's linuxcnc
10:04 AM Unterhausen: mostly from 5 years ago
10:04 AM bjorkintosh: the nature of professinal software is to first produce bugs, and then remove them for a small fee.
10:05 AM bjorkintosh: or a king's ransom, in microsoft's case.
10:05 AM Unterhausen: there is no doubt that lcnc has some technical debt left over from it being a demo project in the beginning
10:05 AM Tom_L: https://cloudsmith.io/~machinekit/repos/
10:05 AM Tom_L: join..
10:06 AM Unterhausen: that cloudsmith thing links to the github
10:07 AM Tom_L: oh
10:07 AM Unterhausen: not sure what it is really
10:07 AM Unterhausen: it's possible I'm wrong about everything
10:08 AM Tom_L: it's probable i am
10:08 AM Tom_L: but hey... everthing on the ninnernet is believeable
10:12 AM roycroft: believable? it's the gospel truth! and if you don't believe that, look it up on the internet!
10:18 AM bjorkintosh: roycroft, that was so 2022. Just ask ChatGPT for any truth.
10:18 AM bjorkintosh: It will tell you right away.
10:19 AM bjorkintosh: Did I infact walk on the moon? Why yes, I'm still there.
10:19 AM bjorkintosh: GPT has pictures to prove it if you have any doubts.
10:21 AM * roycroft still hasn't had a conversation with siri or alexa
10:24 AM bjorkintosh: siri and alexa are the equivalent of speak and spells.
10:24 AM bjorkintosh: compared to this GPT craziness.
10:25 AM bjorkintosh: it is _insane_ and it is the perfect tool for a virtual world. It's too bad meta flubbed the whole VR thing.
10:29 AM bjorkintosh: Personally, I believe it is time to treat media addiction as a burgeoning epidemic and to prepare for it.
10:29 AM bjorkintosh: it is going to be bad.
10:30 AM bjorkintosh: not much in the way of public health education or preparedness exists at the moment.
10:31 AM Tom_L: at least it doesn't cause cancer
10:31 AM Tom_L: far as we know
10:32 AM skunkworks[m]: I am sure machine kit works ok as is - it would have gotten the new TP around that time. I have been using linuxcnc for a very long time. It has always worked. Just gets more bells and whistles..
10:38 AM bjorkintosh: Tom_L, I'm quite certain it does if you're in California.
11:00 AM roycroft: it's really bad already, bjorkintosh
11:00 AM roycroft: texting while driving is a deadly symptom of it
11:01 AM roycroft: and is only the tip of the iceberg
11:08 AM bjorkintosh: roycroft, you're correct.
11:10 AM roycroft: this has always been the case with new technology - society lag behind the innovations in learning how to deal with them appropriately
11:10 AM roycroft: the problem we're having now is that technology is advancing so rapidly the societal lag is becoming greater and greater
11:11 AM roycroft: it took people a long time to come to terms with the earth's being a globe, and not flat
11:12 AM roycroft: some folks still haven't caught up with that
11:13 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, the crack is so small only thin ca can get in there
11:14 AM Lcvette[m]: quick question for the config file experts, in my ini file which has migrated through several iterations i noticed this line: FEATURES = 30... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/97b5e51ff79b201d47afdfcd5825329ee5621b60>)
11:14 AM Lcvette[m]: in the docs it mentions features but im not sure i understand what is being stated about it
11:14 AM Lcvette[m]: is it now obsolete?
11:15 AM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (38KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JgEiEmyNplNMulmwFbYOpxvi/image.png >
11:15 AM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: is it ok to remove the features line in the ini?
11:16 AM JT-Cave: looking
11:16 AM JT-Cave: The above six options were controlled by the FEATURES bitmask in versions of LinuxCNC prior to 2.8. This INI tag will no longer work.
11:16 AM JT-Cave: For reference:
11:17 AM JT-Cave: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#gcode:ini-features
11:17 AM Lcvette[m]: what is the FEATURES = line
11:17 AM jpa-: and the oword configs rarely matter, unless you have some very particular custom macros
11:17 AM Lcvette[m]: did not see anything about it
11:24 AM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: i found that but im not sure i understand what its saying to me, what are FEATURES =?
11:25 AM JT-Cave: 2.4. [RS274NGC] Section
11:26 AM JT-Cave: I think the link is messed up but read that section http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html
11:26 AM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: I did, but it does not explain what FEATURES = is
11:27 AM JT-Cave: yes it does
11:27 AM Lcvette[m]: i saw the note on it about the bitmask, is that saying FEATURES = is no longer used in 2.8+?
11:27 AM JT-Cave: yup
11:28 AM Lcvette[m]: ok
11:28 AM Lcvette[m]: thank you
11:28 AM JT-Cave: yw
11:31 AM JT-Cave: time to go earn some money
11:31 AM Lcvette[m]: yup yup
11:31 AM Lcvette[m]: gotta pay for that corvette!
11:32 AM JT-Cave: I'm so looking forward to having a nav system...
11:33 AM JT-Cave: so I can stop saying wherethefuckarewe
11:47 AM roycroft: things are not looking good for the japanese lunar lander mission
11:48 AM roycroft: it's well past touchdown time and they have not been able to reestablish communication with the lander
11:53 AM CloudEvil: In principle, the geometry of the antenna could change a _lot_ over the next week, so we may get a signal
11:53 AM CloudEvil: Or Mothra got it.
11:53 AM CaptHindsight[m]: watch in Japanese here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-5OgNSNHFU
12:09 PM Unterhausen: remora seems like one of the best ways to use lcnc with a 3d printer, but help is sparse
12:10 PM roycroft: is elon musk really the spawn of mothra?
12:12 PM bjorkintosh: worse. he's the spawn of the cancer known as corporate kleptocratic capitalism. it grows till it consumes its host and kills everything it touches.
12:14 PM Unterhausen: it's funny that tesla and spacex both seem to have been ready for a toxic ceo, but twitter wasn't
12:14 PM bjorkintosh: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5-lDJWCUAAwfya?format=jpg&name=small
12:15 PM roycroft: i've completely redesigned my laser enclosure, but the new design is almost done
12:15 PM roycroft: i should be able to start cutting out parts after work today
12:18 PM roycroft: i'm looking forward to the project, as it will be my first cabinet-like build that will primarily use dominos for the joinery
12:20 PM CloudEvil: Unterhausen: Elon thought he deeply understood twitter, as he got his big break in the pre .net era coding in a one or two person company on a computer that got taken down at night to do dev work (fax-email gateway). This mislead him into thinking he understood anything about the modern internet
12:20 PM Unterhausen: from what I can tell, his coding prowess was overblown even in those cases
12:21 PM bjorkintosh: hahah. it's a game of googling and copy-pasting.
12:21 PM Unterhausen: luckily found someone to buy him out at an inflated cost, which is his real skill
12:21 PM CloudEvil: Unterhausen: yes, I diddn't say it was good code, just good enough to work in those cases, with those limits, which ain't great.
12:21 PM travis_farmer[m]: likely even my coding is better... ;-)
12:21 PM Unterhausen: what I heard was he basically didn't do much even then
12:21 PM CloudEvil: Unterhausen: There were at the beginning a couple of employees.
12:22 PM CloudEvil: He got lucky by picking a specific idea and being able to execute it on nearly no money at precisely the right time.
12:23 PM bjorkintosh: I wonder what it would take to convince one of those gazillionaires to mass-sponsor a whole bunch of open source projects.
12:23 PM roycroft: running twitter requires understanding people
12:23 PM bjorkintosh: they don't need the money. and if it's from software, 100% chance they used open source in one form or another.
12:24 PM CloudEvil: Coding a one or two employee site in 1998 teaches you the entirely wrong things about the twitter infrastructure.
12:25 PM bjorkintosh: twitter is a mass media entity: combining audio, video, images and text, broadcasting in real time to billions at once. it's not an app per se.
12:25 PM bjorkintosh: very very different mindset required.
12:28 PM CloudEvil: More talking about the dozens of interconnected bits of code all of which has to fly in synchronisation to deliver the service with hugely complex dependancies, where 'simple obvious' changes in code or practice may have metastable effects
12:32 PM roycroft: none of that matters
12:32 PM roycroft: what matters is what i said: running twitter requires understanding people
12:32 PM roycroft: musk does not understand people at all
12:33 PM CloudEvil: That is a seperate and problematic issue.
12:33 PM roycroft: that is the crux of his problems with twitter
12:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is a twit?
12:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "mocking its users since 2006"
12:51 PM bjorkintosh: a twit? it's a sound made by 'twats'
12:52 PM Unterhausen: I can't believe musk didn't require a noncompete, but he was in no position to require anything
12:52 PM Unterhausen: such a genius. So now everyone is going to go over to blue sky and abandon twitter to the people that had been previously banned but musk brought back
12:53 PM Unterhausen: and jack can hire all the people that musk fired
01:01 PM roycroft: musk is a twit, actually
01:02 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs
01:03 PM roycroft: musk is smarter than that lot, but has the same level of social skills as them
01:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: stop rewarding bad behavior
01:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but unfortunately what used to be considered bad behavior is now good behavior
01:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you asked for it, you got it
01:07 PM roycroft: what i find most amusing about the twitter debacle is the blue flag thing
01:07 PM roycroft: that used to be a status symbol, but when musk removed all the blue flags, and then started assigning them to non-subscribers, many of the non-subscribers demanded that the blue flag be removed again
01:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOPETVJUu8g
01:18 PM roycroft: i've seen that video before, capthindsight
01:18 PM roycroft: there are some nice shops in it
01:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/110/259/368/230/163/936/original/7ec106e9ba63800e.mp4
01:26 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight[m]: hey, been a while
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tiwake: howdy
01:42 PM DEPSTRCZ[m]: Any QtVCP guys who can help me out with handler?
01:54 PM tiwake: CaptHindsight[m]: working for another company now programming and running a really big CNC lathe... can fit two of my cars inside it, prolly 3 with a bit of squishing
01:55 PM tiwake: DMG Mori two turret lathe
02:16 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:26 PM Loetmichel: tiwake: reminds me of an aquaintance of mine that worked in a big forge. When i get to his 15ft diameter turret lathe and had to repair the main drive motor it was just a puddle of aluminium, copper and steel. Turned out he had often problems with blown fuses and decided to turn a 3 pack of them (screw in fuses, ~30mm diameter, ~50mm long, 63A DIAZED) out of a spare steel rod. On Said 5m
02:26 PM Loetmichel: "chuck" diameter lathe. Which did not well for the Motor which had a winding short. Comendable effort to make 3 such small parts on such a monster though.
02:39 PM tiwake: topkek
02:39 PM tiwake: used to work for a company that repaired electric motors
02:40 PM Tom_L: mostly steel parts?
02:40 PM Tom_L: on the lathe that is..
02:46 PM tiwake: which lathe?
02:46 PM Tom_L: the one you are programming and operating
02:47 PM Tom_L: just seems to me most big lathes cut big steel parts
02:49 PM tiwake: oh, yeah
02:49 PM tiwake: the though-hole is 7"
02:50 PM tiwake: with another chuck on the back side
02:50 PM Tom_L: do you ride the tool post?
02:50 PM tiwake: right now cutting 4.5" solid
02:51 PM Tom_L: my kid runs some rather large gantrys you ride on
02:51 PM Tom_L: shaft for some large equipment?
02:51 PM tiwake: the lower turret has a programmable hydraulic steady rest on it
02:54 PM tiwake: yeah, cotton processing equipment
02:55 PM tiwake: make lots of other stuff too
02:57 PM tiwake: the only thing I don't like is that mistakes are insanely expensive
02:57 PM Tom_L: are you in the US or Germany?
02:57 PM Tom_L: i forget...
02:57 PM tiwake: USA
02:57 PM tiwake: texas
02:57 PM Tom_L: ahh ok
02:58 PM tiwake: if anyone sees a cheap haas VF2 let me know
02:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cincinnati/Cincinnati_1.jpg
02:58 PM tiwake: looking for one for my garage
02:58 PM Tom_L: there's one of the gantrys my kid runs
02:58 PM Tom_L: 180' bed
02:59 PM Tom_L: 2 gantry per bed
02:59 PM tiwake: wew big machine
02:59 PM Tom_L: they have several in that building
02:59 PM tiwake: can kinda see
02:59 PM tiwake: cutting out stuff for airplanes?
02:59 PM Tom_L: there's a few other pics there..
02:59 PM Tom_L: yes
03:00 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cincinnati/Material_block.jpg
03:00 PM Tom_L: one of the blocks of material
03:36 PM travis_farmer[m]: has your kid proposed running the big gantry on LinuxCNC? 😉
03:38 PM Tom_L: no
03:38 PM Tom_L: they have spare controls for them
03:38 PM Tom_L: iirc they have like 10 of them
04:49 PM Scopeuk: On the Hass machines they announce on twitter when they have ex demo machines, I doubt cheap is the correct word though
04:59 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen, I wouldnt call help sparse....but its sparse in the sense that im not much help. best results it on the github or on the forum
05:02 PM CAKESLOB: also Unterhausen , Jonh Allwine's worst nightmare , being stuck sitting beside me in the car,
05:02 PM CAKESLOB: I was able to get the details on how they are using it
05:03 PM CAKESLOB: They arent doing anything special. They are just using machinekit-hal and emc-application he told me.
05:05 PM CAKESLOB: As far as I remember it,. I didnt want to press him too much on everything. I thought I might have been testing his patience
05:09 PM CAKESLOB: mrbubble[m] , is this you on github?? https://github.com/mrbubble62 ??
05:11 PM Unterhausen: CAKESLOB I posted on the forum but haven't been back to see if anyone posted
05:15 PM Unterhausen: also, the only way to install right now is to build from source?
05:15 PM mrbubble[m]: @CAKESLOB It's me
05:21 PM skunkworks[m]: lol - really seems like normal linuxcnc... 😉
05:24 PM skunkworks[m]: CAKESLOB: I pulled the stuff you gave me out of the boxes - that is as far as I have gotten
05:26 PM Unterhausen: I got it half wired, need to wire the rpi side
05:43 PM Unterhausen: getting a wire out of a jst-style connector is a pita
05:45 PM Unterhausen: machinekit-hal is important to them because of the better motion planner
05:45 PM CAKESLOB: ok wait, so unterhausen is whom on forum
05:46 PM Unterhausen: EricKeller
05:46 PM Unterhausen: I figure I can add solutions to that thread as I figure it out
05:48 PM CAKESLOB: skunkworks[m] yeah no pressue, were you wearing a jurassic park shirt on saturday
05:49 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen I dont think I see your post, but no you dont need to build from source
05:50 PM skunkworks[m]: Unerhausen: I don't think there is any difference between the machinekit and linuxcnc motion planner..
05:51 PM CAKESLOB: there is/was a little bit, but i think we a pretty much the same or better as of 2.8
05:51 PM CAKESLOB: rob/zoltron had a lot of tp related pulls in the early days but i think we are at par now or something
05:53 PM CAKESLOB: skunkworks[m] but I think you were wearing a jurassic park shirt saturday, I wanted to tell you , the file 3d filemananger from jurassic park, I updated the unix form of the program from 2011, and got it working on the pi a while ago. it was just something fun to do, but the pi had graphuics issues at the time
05:55 PM CAKESLOB: @mrbubble[m] ive been wanting to ask you questions about your upboard driver for remora
06:00 PM Unterhausen: CAKESLOB so there are debs somewhere?
06:00 PM CAKESLOB: but Unterhausen , I also hate those JST connectors. but no, no building required, unless you are making fancy firmware for something special. Deps for linuxcnc rpi install?
06:01 PM Unterhausen: for rpi
06:01 PM CAKESLOB: I started removing more of the raspi/linuxcnc install parts from the docs as that has become more standard for linuxcnc
06:01 PM Unterhausen: is remora in lcnc now?
06:01 PM CAKESLOB: not yet
06:01 PM Unterhausen: that's the part I was asking about
06:02 PM CAKESLOB: ok, so for that you just need to install the hal comp file
06:02 PM CAKESLOB: https://remora-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/software/remora-comp-installation.html
06:02 PM CAKESLOB: its just step 1.5 to step 3
06:03 PM CAKESLOB: The rpi linuxcnc install, is somewhat standardized now for linuxcnc, you have 2 options, use andys rpi image and limited to 3gb of ram, or use elovalvos rpi image
06:04 PM CAKESLOB: I will link you
06:04 PM CAKESLOB: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/39779-rpi4-raspbian-64-bit-linuxcnc?start=150#253623
06:06 PM Unterhausen: I just found that in Cap'n's thread
06:08 PM CAKESLOB: I need to learn a whole new set of names and learn how to use IRC, is that bari?
06:08 PM roycroft: irc is easy
06:08 PM roycroft: you just type stuff
06:09 PM roycroft: if you type the wrong stuff people will yell at you
06:09 PM roycroft: if you type really wrong stuff you'll get kicked off the channel
06:10 PM CAKESLOB: that part is self correcting, its the names and hotkeys I need to learn
06:10 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:10 PM roycroft: learning names depends on how old you are
06:11 PM roycroft: if you're a young whippernapper it's easy
06:11 PM roycroft: if you're an old fart, not so much
06:11 PM CAKESLOB: Im young enought that still worry about being rude
06:11 PM Tom_L: rude!
06:11 PM Tom_L: this is the ninnernet!!
06:11 PM Tom_L: no accountability...
06:11 PM Unterhausen: I don't think we're supposed to say that Cap'n and Bari are the same person
06:12 PM Tom_L: if they disclose it themselves it's ok
06:12 PM Unterhausen: I reverse engineered it
06:12 PM Unterhausen: I'm very smart, just ask me
06:12 PM Unterhausen: .
06:12 PM CAKESLOB: I inferred it from things he has said in the chat
06:13 PM Unterhausen: I also just typed a '.' with my beer can
06:13 PM roycroft: i don't know who/what bari is, so i can't speculate on that
06:13 PM Unterhausen: forget Darius ever said anything about it
06:13 PM roycroft: it doesn't matter anyway
06:13 PM CAKESLOB: tom, it was the internet, until they were all in the same on the weekend and I didnt want to be punched once they realised I was cakeslob
06:13 PM roycroft: i tend to take people as who they present themselves in irc
06:14 PM Tom_L: once in a while we will get half of a conversation here since 1/2 of the party is on matrix but not here
06:14 PM Unterhausen: I'm in both places
06:14 PM roycroft: if someone decides that a split personality would be nice, i'm fine with addressing them as two different people, for the most part
06:14 PM CAKESLOB: wait shit the irc is not unified ?
06:14 PM roycroft: the matrix is not irc
06:14 PM roycroft: and no, irc is also not unified
06:15 PM roycroft: there are several irc networks
06:15 PM CAKESLOB: see irc isnt as easy as you saidf
06:15 PM CAKESLOB: the bad one andf the libre opne
06:15 PM CAKESLOB: wait
06:15 PM roycroft: you can still type stuff
06:15 PM CAKESLOB: is libra the bad one?
06:15 PM roycroft: they're all bad
06:15 PM roycroft: some are just worse than others
06:15 PM Tom_L: the bad one isn't around now
06:15 PM unterhausen[m]: I have to be careful not to use my alt account where I pretend to be 3
06:15 PM Tom_L: it had too many haters
06:16 PM CAKESLOB: dammit, even linuxcnc irc is hard
06:16 PM JT-Shop: these life savers are defective... one half melts faster than the other half
06:16 PM roycroft: i think six is the median level of maturity age on irc
06:16 PM roycroft: so if you pretend to be 3 you're really pushing it
06:16 PM Unterhausen: it's easy for people that know about computers
06:16 PM roycroft: jt-shop: they are artisan lifesavers
06:16 PM CAKESLOB: im not too good with compyuters
06:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, flip it over and make sure it's not your tongue
06:17 PM JT-Shop: lol
06:17 PM * roycroft is going to set up the track saw station now
06:17 PM roycroft: because yeah, it's warm and it's sunny at last!
06:17 PM unterhausen[m]: the best part about being on discord and irc is I can crack myself up even more
06:18 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, ?
06:18 PM CAKESLOB: hey
06:18 PM _unreal_: linuxcnc hard?
06:18 PM Unterhausen: That's why JT has 6 active irc instances going at once
06:18 PM CAKESLOB: every step of the way every time, always
06:18 PM _unreal_: I missed typing IRC as well
06:19 PM _unreal_: I have not been very active on IRC past few months. I'm working on taking over the world. "stock market" no joke. I'm part of a big group exposing the corruption int he stock market.
06:20 PM Tom_L: you're just now finding that out?
06:20 PM _unreal_: so? IRC is hard? or linuxcnc chatting about it on irc is hard?
06:20 PM _unreal_: trying to follow
06:20 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, not finding out.
06:20 PM _unreal_: known
06:20 PM _unreal_: just we CAUGHT THEN they are F'ED'
06:20 PM _unreal_: the bad actors
06:20 PM Unterhausen: CAKESLOB there is too much lcnc setup info in the remora docs, did you already say that?
06:20 PM CAKESLOB: linuxcnc is hard and IRC is hard
06:20 PM _unreal_: in anycase. CAKESLOB linuxcnc irc/hard?
06:21 PM _unreal_: how is irc hard?
06:21 PM CAKESLOB: i type with 1 finger at a time :(
06:21 PM _unreal_: palm to face
06:21 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, learn to type
06:21 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, do you use windows or linux
06:21 PM CAKESLOB: ......
06:22 PM CAKESLOB: windows
06:22 PM _unreal_: ok
06:22 PM _unreal_: so download a free typetuter
06:22 PM _unreal_: and learn to type
06:22 PM _unreal_: are you less then 50 years old?
06:22 PM CAKESLOB: i never finished "all the right type" past asdf jkl;
06:22 PM CAKESLOB: yes....
06:22 PM _unreal_: then you SHOULD HAVE BEEN FORED TO LEARN full hand typing in school
06:22 PM CAKESLOB: i was a shitty studen, thats why im a cnc machinist
06:23 PM CAKESLOB: being a machinist is my reward for screwing around in school.
06:23 PM _unreal_: high grand students typically dont do well with hands on
06:23 PM _unreal_: grade
06:23 PM _unreal_: LEARN to type
06:23 PM _unreal_: its not hard
06:24 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen yes, i need to remove the rpi things from the docs completely, but I left them for posterity until there is more regular offical images
06:24 PM _unreal_: You dont have to learn all of the keys, the main keys to learn are the alphabet. hell
06:25 PM Unterhausen: finish the remora hal component docs first
06:25 PM CAKESLOB: its hard to unlearn 20 years of doing it wrong. i can type pretty fast using seek and peck
06:25 PM CAKESLOB: ?
06:25 PM _unreal_: I installed lcnc on a tinkerboard
06:26 PM CAKESLOB: is that rockship 3328?
06:26 PM _unreal_: works good but the tinkerboard has issues booting always has. BAD design, on the power unit ONBOARD. :(
06:26 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, it not hard to "unlearn" that is a mental decision
06:27 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen what part of the comp docs ?
06:27 PM _unreal_: ROCKCHIP yes. version I dont recall. its sitting in front of me
06:27 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, I just got a free comp. I'm thinking about turning into my new CNC controller
06:27 PM Unterhausen: there are a batch of entries with #example
06:27 PM _unreal_: nise300
06:27 PM _unreal_: look that up
06:28 PM CAKESLOB: ohhhhhhhh that part
06:28 PM CAKESLOB: I dont know what most of those things mean
06:28 PM Unterhausen: me neither
06:28 PM CAKESLOB: i seek and peck my way through using the example configs
06:29 PM CAKESLOB: some of them are .....self explanatory
06:29 PM CAKESLOB: i was coping linuxcnc style where they list everything
06:29 PM _unreal_: CAKESLOB, my new machine I'm VERYYYYY slowly building, is going to be powered by a planetcnc controller board.
06:30 PM CAKESLOB: which one? some of them looke3d like they copuld work remora style
06:32 PM CAKESLOB: those 300 untis look nice
06:34 PM _unreal_: ya... I dont have anyway of powering it yet. trying to find a plug I can use or design one. 3d print
06:34 PM _unreal_: 6 minipci slots hehe
06:34 PM _unreal_: didnt expect that. cpu is not upgradable though. ram is
06:35 PM CAKESLOB: yeah, is that unit targeted at middle east countries?
06:35 PM _unreal_: ahh more like industry, and marine
06:35 PM CAKESLOB: im under the impression that mrbubbles is using remora with an x86 type computers
06:37 PM _unreal_: ve7it, hello
06:37 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, have you gotten your new machine working yet?
06:47 PM Unterhausen: it's possible to do spi with a pc
06:48 PM Unterhausen: ethernet is working with remora somehow, right?
06:49 PM CAKESLOB: sorry Unterhausen , I think I know who you are now. It was a lot of new faces.
06:50 PM CAKESLOB: I think normal pc's have spi channels, they use them for the those new trustchip 2.0 things that ruin windows 11
06:50 PM CAKESLOB: yeah, there are 2 ethernet vwersions. native ethernet is working properly but with the NEVM boards from china,
06:51 PM CAKESLOB: and SPI to ethernet adaopter does work
06:51 PM CAKESLOB: but it needs some changes before its ready to deploy to the masses
06:52 PM ve7it: _unreal_, hey... long time... what is your latest project?
06:53 PM CAKESLOB: from scott the author "The w5500 Ethernet is not ready and I suspect that we'd need to slow down the servo thread to allow for the Ethernet packet to be sent to the W5500 and then the SPI transfer to the MCU."
06:54 PM CAKESLOB: I understand the words ethernet. spi and MCU but otherwise I dont know what it means
06:55 PM _unreal_: ve7it, fighting stockmarket corruption.
06:55 PM _unreal_: winning too
06:55 PM ve7it: fun...
06:56 PM _unreal_: .... sure......
06:56 PM _unreal_: fun....
06:56 PM _unreal_: "vomit"
06:56 PM Unterhausen: I gave the ethernet to spi adapter you gave me to Seb(?) anyway, but they are cheap
06:56 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I have gotten a bunch of sat's
06:56 PM Unterhausen: problem would be on the pc side
06:56 PM _unreal_: ve7it, have you done anything more with then BLCD controller.
06:57 PM _unreal_: I'm a little pressed for $ right now. but unless you dont need them. I at some point in time can send you some of the bldc motors with onboard encoders... or did i? I forget
06:58 PM ve7it: no... havent done much with the cnc lately... been cleaning up the shop the last few days so I can find it again! the floor and some of the benches are starting to reappear
06:58 PM _unreal_: AHH
06:59 PM _unreal_: ve7it, ya last time we talked we were talking about an stm32 or ESP32 controller
06:59 PM ve7it: no, you havent sent anything since the first small motors
06:59 PM _unreal_: that could handle 3-4 quadrature encoder inputs. to drive the custom bldc
07:00 PM _unreal_: no no i know that I was asking did I include one with an onboard encoder or not. and if not do you need one with an onboard encoder or do you have external one's that can just be tied in and used.
07:00 PM ve7it: I have been trying to learn fpga coding.... it has some nice possiblities for a controller or integrated drives
07:01 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I have gotten a few boards from different hardware you would LOVE.. heh.
07:01 PM _unreal_: like everything onboard
07:01 PM _unreal_: but that kind of coding is way above me
07:01 PM ve7it: fun, I wish I had dumpsters you you have found
07:02 PM ve7it: like you have found
07:02 PM _unreal_: as to the other question do you have quadrature encoders on hand or do you need some of the bldcs WITH encoders onboared
07:02 PM _unreal_: ?
07:02 PM _unreal_: they are not as fast/powerful as the one's I sent you
07:02 PM _unreal_: but largert
07:03 PM _unreal_: larger
07:04 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I also got a bunch of the bldc's that dont have an encoder onboard but do have a brake onboard.
07:04 PM ve7it: I could use some motors with encoders.... not sure what my next build will be... I would love to find a complete sat dome and use it for 5GHz access point hunting
07:05 PM ve7it: by putting a wifi dongle at the feedpoint
07:05 PM _unreal_: when I get to it I'll DM you an image of a "THING" you will drool.
07:05 PM ve7it: cool
07:06 PM _unreal_: !!!!!!! OOOO... with that in mind I have a hardware bit you WOULD like. its a 360 degree adapter that passes "coax" and a hand full of data/power wires. but its designed to endlessly free spin.
07:07 PM ve7it: now that is cool.. have to build a radar with that
07:07 PM _unreal_: I have two of them, one I'm thinking about turning into a quadcopter tracker. to maintain strong RSSI radio control/connection.
07:09 PM _unreal_: but ya ve7it what i'm still looking to do is get a controller coded to use those BLDC controllers that I sent you. take an encoder signals and turn the BLDC motors into brushless servo's
07:09 PM _unreal_: high precision with high power for there size.
07:10 PM _unreal_: would be nice to then turn them into a 3d printer or laser etcher.
07:10 PM _unreal_: cnc.... maybe but they really want to be on something with low resistance and high movement speed.
07:17 PM CAKESLOB: Unterhausen ahhh ok, I honestly dont know much about how threads work. but if you have questions about setup you can also email me at my gmail address, which is "cakeslob"
07:33 PM skunkworks[m]: very cool - yes that was me..
07:34 PM skunkworks: Unterhausen: it was nice meeting you too!
07:34 PM skunkworks: wow - the bridge between irc and discord certianly has holes..
07:35 PM skunkworks: CAKESLOB: yes - that was me - it was good to meet you. your presentation was awesome!
07:35 PM CAKESLOB: ha thank you. it was nice meeting you guys aswell, everyone was so nice and supportive
07:36 PM CAKESLOB: but being like 5 years oold when jurassic park came out, I am still obsessed with it. I found the program they used in the movie
07:36 PM CAKESLOB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager)
07:37 PM CAKESLOB: and it wasnt even unix based like they said in the movie, so I found a unixport form 2004-2011 and made it half work on the raspberrypi, but since rpi kinda sucks it didnt show up correctly
07:39 PM skunkworks: I feel like I have probably met unterhausen before.. but maybe not.
07:48 PM CAKESLOB: does the {m} mean someone is on the discord channel?
07:48 PM skunkworks[m]: umm
07:49 PM skunkworks: yes
07:49 PM skunkworks: ;)
07:49 PM skunkworks: This is IRC
07:49 PM skunkworks[m]: This is Discord
07:50 PM XXCoder: discord or matrix
07:50 PM skunkworks: on discord - irc people say BOT
07:50 PM XXCoder: [m] means matrix, but discord bridges though matrix to irc so yeah
07:51 PM skunkworks: what is matrix? is that an actual messaging app?
07:51 PM XXCoder: think similiar to discord but not quite
07:51 PM XXCoder: used it barely at all
07:51 PM CAKESLOB: i just looked it up, so its a thing that sends messages to the other things?
07:56 PM XXCoder: well its like irc or discord that poeople use it for chat
07:57 PM skunkworks: I miss aol messenger
07:57 PM skunkworks: lol
08:12 PM JT3196[m]: I'm trying to find the source of this following error, just randomly while jogging I will get some behaviour like this
08:12 PM * JT3196[m] uploaded an image: (308KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/LbkhKIiiOzGiRSuGVTemLUZK/image.png >
08:14 PM CAKESLOB: I also, miss aol. I used to be on a website where we made all of the little 50x50 pixel images for AOL. it was a good way to learn pixel graphics and make money as a teenaer
08:15 PM CAKESLOB: https://github.com/scottalford75/Remora/issues/33
08:15 PM CAKESLOB: does anyone know what this means?
08:15 PM CAKESLOB: like, how would changing the license to GPL3 affect the project?
08:53 PM CloudEvil: Basically, you can't.
08:53 PM CloudEvil: Wait, ignore previous comment
08:54 PM CloudEvil: Was thinking of something else.
08:54 PM CloudEvil: If the licence statemnt contains the 'or later version' - my understanding is that it's perfectly fine to fork it and call your fork GPL3.
09:00 PM JT3196[m]: This random following error is breaking my setup and I'm not able to find anyone with this issue
09:28 PM CloudEvil: :/
10:36 PM t4nk_freenode: acer, never tried any further, I guess it should work but I'm not sure if it's calibrated right
10:37 PM t4nk_freenode: been thinking of using it to mill some more PCBs