#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 19 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:44 AM Contract_Pilot: I live on the border of Oregon, In WA a few times a year have to tech someone how to fuel their car LOL
12:56 AM roycroft: my strong preference is to sit inside my warm car, listen to the radio, and just have to pass a credit card out the window and then have it passed back to me
12:56 AM roycroft: how is it possibly any better to get out of the vehicle, stand in the cold and rain, and get fuel all over one's hands?
12:56 AM XXCoder: lol when I lived at vancouver, when I rarely refueled at oregon I keep forgetting and get out of car
12:57 AM roycroft: if i lived in vancouver i'd drove to portland for fuel even if it cost more
12:57 AM roycroft: just so i don't have to pump it myself
12:57 AM roycroft: and hint to folks from not here:
12:58 AM roycroft: fuel does not cost more in oregon than in adjoining states
12:58 AM roycroft: i.e. self-serve does not cost the consumer less money
12:59 AM roycroft: it just shifts the performance of the refueling from the vendor to the customer
01:00 AM roycroft: when oregon started permitting self-serve in parts of rural eastern oregon a couple years ago the price did not go down in those places
01:00 AM XXCoder: well besides from being northwest
01:00 AM XXCoder: gas costs most at wa but or usually high too
01:02 AM roycroft: it costs more in california than in oregon
01:02 AM roycroft: when i drive down there i usually stop in brookings or ashland, depending on which route i take, and top off the tank before heading into cali
01:02 AM roycroft: and when i'm lucky i don't have to refuel until i get back to oregon
01:03 AM XXCoder: oh boy theres one route thats essentally fuelless
01:03 AM XXCoder: i got down to 40 miles left before I finally found refuel spot
01:04 AM roycroft: if you take 199 (the redwood highway), cave junction is about the last place to refuel before the border
01:04 AM roycroft: that's the road that goes from grants pass to crescent city
01:27 AM Deejay: moin
03:25 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:26 AM travis_farmer[m]: Morning ☕️
04:26 AM Tom_L: morning
05:13 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:27 AM JT-Cave1: morning
05:28 AM JT-Cave1: 59°F high 80°F
05:38 AM JT-Cave1: looks like rain tomorrow and friday here
05:43 AM travis_farmer[m]: one of these days, i will finish my Arduino/MQTT weather station, so i know what it is outside, without having to go on the web to see local weather...
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05:51 AM Vvega[m]: Just a little cooling upgrade
06:15 AM rmu: Vvega[m]: how did you connect power to the pi? i find that typical flat cable is too thin to power the rpi
06:16 AM Vvega[m]: It powers the pi just fine
06:17 AM Vvega[m]: Originally it was powered through the usbc and the cable
06:18 AM Vvega[m]: But it just doesn’t seem to care , and that’s with an external ssd as a boot drive
06:20 AM rmu: i get undervoltage warnings when powering through recycled IDE cable (~5cm length)
06:22 AM Vvega[m]: Oh , this is the Mesa cable
06:23 AM Vvega[m]: And it’s very very short lol
06:23 AM Vvega[m]: Also , you have a 7c80
06:26 AM Vvega[m]: ?
06:32 AM rmu: yes 7c80, but "recycled" IDE hard disk cable
06:33 AM rmu: very short, 5cm
08:45 AM Vvega[m]: Well I’d hope not , it’s only a 40 pin connector lol
08:48 AM Vvega[m]: Are you using the 80 wire cable ?
08:49 AM Vvega[m]: That might be why your having an issue .
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09:09 AM pcw-home: Has to be a pretty old IDE cable to have 40 wires
09:09 AM skiboy[m]: Lost the auction for the mini milling machine that matches my mini lathe https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?acctID=767&fa=Main.Item&itemID=21161
09:10 AM skiboy[m]: Here's the mini lathe retrofit if anyone is interested. https://github.com/Szalacinski/linuxcnc_novaturn_retrofit
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09:42 AM c101horse[m]: First mount pretty much done. I need to make a better standoff for the servo because the belt kinda hits the front two
09:46 AM rmu: pcw-home: i have boxes full of 50pin scsi cables ;)
09:46 AM rmu: even a bunch of old vax and decstations
09:48 AM Rab: c101horse[m], seems like the standoffs could twist under heavy torque. A couple of chunks of aluminum plate might work.
09:49 AM c101horse[m]: the endmill would be gone before these twist i'd recon
09:49 AM rmu: it is a 40pin flat ribbon cable which originated as IDE drive cable back in the pre-multi-buzzword-ATA times, 90ies or so. kept a bunch because you never know...
09:50 AM Rab: c101horse[m], likely so. I was thinking more of the inertia of the table.
09:51 AM pcw-home: RMA: Ha I still have a few Decstation 3100s under the house... (plus a Xerox 6805)
09:53 AM rmu: hehe... pretty decent machines IMHO for the time. the only thing that really bugged me was missing atomic test/set instruction on mips r3000/r4000, that made porting some software really impossible.
09:54 AM pcw-home: They were pretty decent at I think 33 Mhz...
10:09 AM Rowow[m]: What belts did you use? I want to add belts to various projects but have a hard time finding where
10:10 AM c101horse[m]: htd 5m belts the ones i have were made by optibelt
10:12 AM * travis_farmer[m] is amazed that having posted his phone number in a semi public place, that he has not been SPAMMED off the planet... :-)
10:15 AM Tom_L: c101horse[m], looks like the mount turned out ok
10:15 AM c101horse[m]: yep, the next two i will do different tho
10:15 AM Tom_L: i used 5mm gt2 on mine
10:16 AM Tom_L: same basic belt but round profile
10:16 AM Tom_L: i did a standoff similar on my A axis
10:16 AM c101horse[m]: next i'll just lob of the front before boring instead of doing it like this
10:17 AM c101horse[m]: these belts are round profile aswell
10:17 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rotary/mount/Rotary_mount11.jpg
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10:18 AM Tom_L: looks similar to GT2
10:18 AM Tom_L: not squared off like XL egc
10:18 AM Tom_L: etc
10:19 AM Tom_L: i'd make a tin cover on yours and mount it to the 2 screws on the stepper
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10:19 AM c101horse[m]: These used to be on it
10:20 AM c101horse[m]: i will, dont worry, this particular mount will go on the z axis
10:20 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Belt_Guard/Belt_Guard3.jpg
10:25 AM Tom_L: that one was for my Z
10:29 AM c101horse[m]: i was kind of limited by the axle diameters on both my spindles and servos
10:29 AM c101horse[m]: 10mm on the spindles and 19 on the servo's
10:30 AM Tom_L: for the pulleys?
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10:42 AM c101horse[m]: Yeh
12:04 PM Tom_L: 87F today
12:21 PM roycroft: rain today
12:22 PM roycroft: but the sunshine is just around the corner
12:22 PM roycroft: as it has been for well over a month now
12:33 PM JT-Shop: cold front moving in tomorrow
02:38 PM roguish[m]: upper 70's in a few days.....
02:48 PM roycroft: my latest supply side challenge is plastic laminate
02:49 PM roycroft: wilsonart are factory order for almost everything now, and formica no longer have a distributor in oregon, so there are huge shipping charges for anything from them ($55 for a 4'x8' sheet)
02:49 PM roycroft: both blame lack of people willing to work for them as the reason
02:50 PM roycroft: which i generally translate to "unwilling to pay for labor"
02:51 PM roycroft: so i just paid $163 for some laminate that in the before times would have cost me about $40
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02:52 PM TurBoss: 🙂
02:53 PM JT-Shop: did you run the program or is that just a screen shot?
02:53 PM TurBoss: i could not
02:53 PM TurBoss: the apt-cache error
02:54 PM JT-Shop: ok, I didn't get a chance to add a try except for that this morning
02:54 PM TurBoss: want me to to try to add the try stattement
02:54 PM TurBoss: * try stattement?
02:54 PM JT-Shop: sure, it's simple
02:54 PM TurBoss: okay!
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03:04 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:04 PM TurBoss: ➜ src git:(master) ✗ python3 mesact
03:04 PM TurBoss: Not running on debian, apt-cache not found
03:04 PM JT-Shop: what did you change to get it almost back to 800x600
03:04 PM TurBoss: ...
03:04 PM TurBoss: sek
03:06 PM TurBoss: mainTW maximumSize width 800
03:06 PM JT-Shop: ok, thanks
03:07 PM TurBoss: also set the horizontal policy to fizxed
03:07 PM TurBoss: s/fizxed/fixed/
03:07 PM JT-Shop: ok thanks
03:07 PM TurBoss: 🙂 thank you
03:35 PM JT-Cave1: I set mainTW width to 795 and now I get 800x600
03:35 PM JT-Cave1: thanks
03:36 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:36 PM TurBoss: was about to open a PR 😄
03:36 PM TurBoss: you did it?
03:37 PM TurBoss: well i have a fork for future changes 😄
03:37 PM TurBoss: found something
03:37 PM TurBoss: missingf import in utilities
03:38 PM TurBoss: and a call to undefined function
03:38 PM TurBoss: this mus go on line 3 of utilities.py
03:38 PM TurBoss: ```python
03:38 PM TurBoss: from datetime import datetime
03:38 PM TurBoss: ```
03:41 PM JT-Cave: yup I have a big mess in my repo right now trying to sort out an ini update issue if you add two joints
03:43 PM JT-Cave: ah yes for the backup files... I've been adding back the imports as I find them so I don't import something I don't need
03:43 PM JT-Cave: thanks for that catch
03:43 PM TurBoss: 🙂
03:47 PM JT-Cave: I just pushed what I have here including the try except for apt-cache
04:02 PM TurBoss: JT-Cave: found a unexpected ident error
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04:03 PM TurBoss: updateini.py
04:03 PM TurBoss: duno id the block next to the print goes inside the for loop or no
04:23 PM JT-Shop: updateini.py is broken atm
04:23 PM JT-Shop: I'm working on it
04:23 PM JT-Shop: is that in the last method at the bottom?
04:24 PM JT-Shop: oh I see where you
04:24 PM JT-Shop: 're at
04:25 PM JT-Shop: yup it's in process atm so you can only create a new config until I figure it out
04:30 PM TurBoss: okay
04:30 PM TurBoss: noproblem just curiosu
04:30 PM TurBoss: s/curiosu/curious/
04:36 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you recall what model light you got?
04:36 PM JT-Shop: the one I gave away?
04:36 PM Tom_L: just got the kid an e35r for work
04:36 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:36 PM Tom_L: :)
04:37 PM Tom_L: this is a short one
04:38 PM JT-Shop: PD35R
04:39 PM JT-Shop: TurBoss, what I'm having a problem with with update ini is if I add two more joints it gets cornfused so if you can think of a better way to do that I'm all eyes
04:40 PM TurBoss: 2 joints per axis?
04:40 PM JT-Shop: if you say create a config with one joint and save it then add two more joints
04:41 PM TurBoss: ah ok
04:41 PM JT-Shop: it needs to insert the new joints in the correct place on the ini
04:42 PM JT-Shop: so my goal is to have [AXIS] any joints for that axis then the next axis
05:08 PM JT-Shop: https://youtu.be/QcjILqScB3U?t=33
05:08 PM JT-Shop: have you seen a bung cutter like that before
05:13 PM Tom_L: no but i wouldn't wanna get tangled up in it
05:16 PM XXCoder: why is rods added to brow front?
05:16 PM JT-Shop: to fill the holes
05:16 PM XXCoder: fine why was holes added then rods added to it? lol
05:17 PM JT-Shop: the bow timbers have huge bolts holding them together
05:17 PM JT-Shop: not sure what you mean
05:17 PM XXCoder: your video link, they drill holes to boat front, then filled em with rods of wood
05:18 PM JT-Shop: there's huge bolts with nuts in the holes the bungs fill the hole over the top of the nuts
05:18 PM XXCoder: ahh interesting
05:18 PM XXCoder: so permently hidden nuts
05:18 PM XXCoder: or bolt
05:19 PM JT-Shop: yes you have to seal them off
05:20 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OklCO9sVOxY
05:20 PM JT-Shop: watch that one and maybe the one before
05:20 PM Tom_L: are the bungs tapered?
05:20 PM JT-Shop: they look like the leading edge is softened, can't tell if they are tapered or not
05:21 PM Tom_L: at most maybe 1-2 deg
05:26 PM JT-Shop: another update day tomorrow :)
05:27 PM Tom_L: update video?
05:27 PM JT-Shop: c8
05:27 PM Tom_L: oh
05:27 PM JT-Shop: Thursday is magic update day
05:28 PM Tom_L: other one ready to find a new zipcode?
05:28 PM JT-Shop: I'm hoping for a 3300 tomorrow...
05:29 PM Unterhausen: If I'm setting up a new pc I should use debian 12?
05:29 PM Tom_L: 11
05:29 PM JT-Shop: debian 12 should be good
05:29 PM Tom_L: or 12
05:29 PM JT-Shop: if you need it
05:29 PM Tom_L: is 12 released yet?
05:30 PM Tom_L: officially
05:30 PM JT-Shop: start with 11 and if it works stay there
05:30 PM roycroft: debian 12 will probably be released late summer/early autumn
05:30 PM roycroft: most likely between canadian thanksgiving and us thanksgiving
05:34 PM TurBoss: JT-Shop: you arround?
05:35 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:35 PM TurBoss: is this okay?
05:35 PM TurBoss: oh sek
05:35 PM TurBoss: didn't try to add more
05:36 PM TurBoss: i changed how to get the index
05:36 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:37 PM TurBoss: Index = len(self.content)
05:37 PM TurBoss: 😲
05:37 PM TurBoss: could work?
05:38 PM JT-Shop: which line of code?
05:38 PM TurBoss: 284
05:39 PM TurBoss: and 291
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05:39 PM TurBoss: off
05:39 PM TurBoss: of
05:39 PM TurBoss: lol I mean ops
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05:40 PM TurBoss: sorry for the pic spam
05:40 PM JT-Shop: the next joint has to be inserted at a specific place not at the end of the ini
05:40 PM TurBoss: ok
05:40 PM TurBoss: 😄
05:41 PM TurBoss: well there was not section like last_joint
05:41 PM JT-Shop: make a config with 3 axes and look at the ini
05:41 PM JT-Shop: yup and that's the error
05:44 PM TurBoss: ok i saw
05:44 PM TurBoss: x and y axis are at the begining and they should be alternating the joints ¿?
05:45 PM JT-Shop: if you have x y z axes it should be x, joint0 then y, joint1 then z, joint2
05:46 PM TurBoss: ok
05:46 PM JT-Shop: mainly for read ability
07:15 PM Vvega[m]: Yeah so obviously you get 80 conductor 40 pin and 40 conductor 40 pin . The latter having better current handling because larger conductors
07:16 PM Tom_L: with better isolation with the 80 cond
07:28 PM Vvega[m]: Yes
07:28 PM CloudEvil: Better HF isolation
07:29 PM Vvega[m]: Doesn’t seem to worry the pi to 7c connection with a short cable
07:30 PM Vvega[m]: Also the argon ar40 case powers the rpi off the gpio so it’s not an issue with the gpio not been able to supply the power
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07:35 PM skunkworks[m]: Like a glove..
07:36 PM Vvega[m]: Looks like the 7c can provide 2.5 amps over the 5v. I’ve not seen my rpi use more than 1.2-1.3
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07:38 PM Vvega[m]: Anyways . That’s the argon case with sata m.2 disassembled and reassembled over the 7c lol
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08:03 PM Vvega[m]: Actually , it’s a shame Mesa hasn’t built a rpi compute board model ,
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08:19 PM Unterhausen: skunkworks, how did you make those sharp corners?
08:55 PM skunkworks[m]: Unterhausen: non circular boring
08:59 PM skunkworks[m]: https://youtu.be/qMLz4kWoAEI
09:09 PM Tom_L: skunkworks[m], nice
09:10 PM Tom_L: how long did it take to hog that out?
09:12 PM skunkworks[m]: Been having problems with either the tool pressure being too high - or something... Losing steps so it walks sideways. Ran it pretty slow - that bore took about an hour - 1.26 inches
09:12 PM skunkworks[m]: Want servos...
09:13 PM Tom_L: hmm
09:21 PM skunkworks[m]: It turned out pretty awesome.. It is a nice press fit
09:32 PM skunkworks[m]: again - over sized servos would be nice 🙂