#linuxcnc Logs

Apr 16 2023

01:01 AM Deejay: moin
01:21 AM boozeman4562[m]: Yeah. The drivers is enabled by default. My intention is to enable them only when enabled in Linuxcnc.
01:43 AM xxcoder[m]: lol. https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/dspaqYJEE7Kr9wonB3936sDdBhmdzy2mpiUejb4Cbcg/https/media.tenor.com/5BStYP-rk8oAAAPo/fail-heavy.mp4
03:53 AM travis_farmer[m]: Morning 👀
05:03 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:04 AM Tom_L: morning
06:10 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:15 AM Tom_L: 41F
06:15 AM JT-Cave: 47°F
06:15 AM JT-Cave: high of 59°F
06:16 AM Tom_L: 64
06:17 AM Tom_L: tomorrow 38 & 82
06:17 AM JT-Cave: not that drastic here
06:17 AM JT-Cave: 42 to 69
06:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: 47F with a high of 62F
06:24 AM JT-Cave: rooster just crowed
09:05 AM JT-Cave: hmm only 6 production weeks left for C8's...
09:31 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:20 AM Tom_L: goin fairly quick
10:22 AM JT-Shop: yup
10:22 AM Tom_L: quicker than the honda
10:22 AM JT-Shop: yep honda is October
10:34 AM Tom_L: now to figure out how to move my email from windows live mail to thunderbird
10:34 AM JT-Shop: you mean all the old emails?
10:34 AM Tom_L: old email and contact list
10:35 AM Tom_L: my isp changed their security and now the live mail won't work but thunderbird does
10:35 AM JT-Shop: fun
10:35 AM JT-Shop: tbird should be able to import
10:36 AM Tom_L: yeah i'm trying to figure out how to export them first
10:36 AM JT-Shop: do you have to export them?
10:36 AM Tom_L: Importing Windows Mail Messages
10:36 AM Tom_L: Export your messages from Windows Mail in . eml format. In Thunderbird, create a folder in "Local Folders" to hold your imported mail and select it. Right click the folder and select ImportExportTools > Import all messages from a directory > also from its subdirectories.
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10:38 AM JT[m]: Last ring
10:38 AM Tom_L: getting close to the end
10:38 AM JT-Shop: yup
10:42 AM JT-Shop: should get that last ring glued on today
11:23 AM roycroft: it's raining here today
11:23 AM roycroft: i got a lot of yard work done yesterday, but i wanted to do some more today
11:24 AM roycroft: oh well
12:01 PM Unterhaus__: we're getting quite the front through here tonight. 100% chance of rain for 5 minutes
12:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: came through here last night, rain and 1" of snow tonight
12:08 PM Unterhaus__: I'm driving to Iowa this week, I'll wave as I go past
12:26 PM * JT-Shop digs down to the pitless adapter to see if that's ground water leaking by the well or a leak in the pipe
12:26 PM JT-Shop: I suspect the latter
12:27 PM Tom_L: i helped my bud pull his a couple yrs back
12:27 PM Tom_L: like 150' or so
12:27 PM Tom_L: leak was right in the middle ... a crack
12:27 PM JT-Shop: that will be pretty heavy
12:27 PM Tom_L: it was
12:27 PM JT-Shop: my leak is outside the casing
12:28 PM Tom_L: lucky you
12:28 PM travis_farmer[m]: "pitless adaptor"???
12:28 PM Tom_L: hangs on the side of the well pipe casing
12:28 PM JT-Shop: a fitting the goes through the casing wall and the pipe with the pump hangs on it
12:29 PM travis_farmer[m]: oh, ok. i am on city water, so i didn't know the term :-)
12:35 PM * JT-Shop finally got a new battery for the GL1800 on order
12:36 PM * travis_farmer[m] wishes he still had his 88 GL1500....
12:37 PM JT-Shop: the GL1500 was fun to start on a cool morning...
12:37 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, mine was... even more so when i sold it. had a carb problem i couldn't figure out, so i sold it
12:37 PM JT-Shop: the swing arm on mine was a tad loose if you hit a bump in a curve
12:50 PM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm, i bought one of these a few years ago: https://www.parts-express.com/2.1-Amplifier-50W-x-50W-x-100W-with-Built-In-3.0-Bluetooth-LCD-Backlit-Screen-and-IR-Remote-320-636?quantity=1 now i just have to figure out how i am going to make it into a bluetooth speaker, that looks good... (thinking shop audio...)
01:36 PM JT-Shop: hmm I need to dig a ditch with the hoe to let the water run out so I can see what's leaking but she won't start... electrical issue
01:39 PM Tom_L: not leaking at the connect is it?
01:39 PM JT-Shop: I've not got that deep yet
01:44 PM JT-Shop: the dirt in the area of the pitless adapter is pretty loose
02:15 PM spray[m]: Hi guys, what is recommended amount of RAM for linuxcnc? For mesa card in future
02:16 PM spray[m]: I have single 16gb module and I am deciding if I should buy another 16 or two 8gb modules
02:23 PM skunkworks[m]: 16 is more than enough
02:27 PM roycroft: assuming the machine will be dedicated to running linuxcnc
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02:28 PM Tom_L: fancy
02:37 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
02:37 PM _unreal_: sweet, just got my vacuum pump desoldering gun. I was given a $100 amazon gift card. Finally found something I wanted to spend it on.
02:38 PM _unreal_: I've always used the plunger kind.
02:38 PM _unreal_: My other one is a squeeze bulb type that is a 50 watt. But this new 100 watt power sucker should be amazing.
02:44 PM roycroft: i don't do a lot of desoldering, but i use solder wick when i do
02:45 PM roycroft: it wouldn't be very economical if i used it alot
02:47 PM XXCoder: jt amazing progress so far
02:48 PM _unreal_: roycroft, the tool is for desoldering things like through hole parts
02:49 PM roycroft: yeah, solder wick works fine for that
02:49 PM roycroft: i have a suction desolderer, but i've never really used it much
02:49 PM roycroft: i can see how a vacuum desoldering station would be good if you're doing it a lot
03:05 PM _unreal_: the difference between solder wick/simple sucker verse a power sucker is huge.
03:17 PM skunkworks[m]: well - starship might launch tomorrow.. (yes - I am kinda exctied)
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03:20 PM skunkworks[m]: It was 80 deg 2 days ago
03:20 PM XXCoder: snow
03:20 PM JT-Cave: and now we don
03:20 PM JT-Cave: don't have water
03:21 PM XXCoder: I like it here, weather is more stable lol
03:21 PM skunkworks[m]: could get up to a foot of snow by tomorrow..
03:27 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, put the shovel in the wrong place?
03:28 PM travis_farmer[m]: uh oh...
03:33 PM Unterhaus__: I need to 3d print an insert for my bandsaw
03:34 PM JT-Shop: as I dug down it took pressure off and the water was flowing so much it pulled the well down and the pump cut off with lack of pressure
03:37 PM Tom_L: must be a fair size leak then
03:38 PM travis_farmer[m]: if it wasn't, it is now... ;-)
04:18 PM XXCoder: yay new TOT
04:21 PM JT-Shop: looks like the male pvc adapter has pulled out of the black iron elbow... maybe due to settling ground after back filling
04:21 PM JT-Shop: gotta get the hoe to run so I can open it up enough to work on it
04:22 PM JT-Shop: at least I can see the electrical conduit and the pvc pipe but not the pitless adapter yet
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04:33 PM Tom_L: right near the well then
04:34 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:34 PM JT-Shop: 2' down
05:21 PM roycroft: so amazon just delivered two more products to me, both of which were the wrong item, and they're insisting 1. on my doing a separate return for each item, even though they were ordered, billed, and shipped together, and 2. that i must return them for a refund and reorder the items in order to attempt to get the correct items, instead of just sending me the right things as they usually do
05:21 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:21 PM roycroft: this makes seven orders in a row that were screwed up somehow
05:21 PM * roycroft just dropped some things off to them on friday
05:21 PM roycroft: the folks at the ups store are getting to know me pretty well
05:22 PM roycroft: i think i'm at a point where amazon have become a last resort vendor, not a convenient vendor
05:24 PM XXCoder: that sucks
05:30 PM roycroft: the real problem is that they've killed off so much of their competition that they often are the vendor of last resort
05:38 PM Rowow[m]: Amazon is just a market place. Imo they help create new businesses. Ik alot of companies created due to its open market.
05:38 PM Rowow[m]: I've ordered 550 items last year from them. Yeah mistakes happen everywhere but their return system is super simple. Just tape the label on it and drop it off at a UPS pickup spot. They don't care about it being returned in it's exact way
05:40 PM Rowow[m]: If a company got killed cause of Amazon they deserve it. Screw having to go through dozens of websites and add stuff to the cart to figure out who has the right shipping. If u charge $20 to ship a 2oz piece of rubber you deserve to be in hell. Screw corruption
05:41 PM roycroft: they're not just a marketplace
05:42 PM roycroft: and as i just said, the last seven orders in a row that i placed with them were screwed up
05:42 PM roycroft: the delivered products were defective, damaged, or the wrong item
05:42 PM roycroft: that means seven trips to the ups store to return the items, which has cost me a significant amount of money
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06:18 PM roguish[m]: JT:a well, or septic ?
06:19 PM Rowow[m]: How is it not a marketplace. Do you know how they work?
06:19 PM Rowow[m]: Not saying Amazon is innocent. I've called them out with being flooded with fraudulent led lights. Contacted them and they simply didn't care. Is very annoying to waste time waiting on stuff arriving and returning but it's done far more than good. Important to call them out on their problems but to say they are killing other good companies is simply not true
06:21 PM Rowow[m]: amazon is just like ebay, etsy, aliexpress. They just list and provide logistics for items that other people sell. They have some items they sell directly themselves but its a very small percent.
06:22 PM Rowow[m]: * provide logistics (optionally) for items
06:27 PM Rowow[m]: people also seem to forget what the world was before amazon. 2-4 week lead times just to ship. another 2 weeks to ship the item. overpriced shipping costs. So on and so forth. They treat sellers decently on their market place and especially better than ebay which as took a complete dump the past decade, which is no ones fault than their own
06:29 PM roycroft: the majority of amazon sales are items they sell themselves - they do have a marketplace, but most of their stuff is sold directly by them
06:30 PM roycroft: as well, they do not discern between their own goods and marketplace vendors' goods
06:30 PM roycroft: so some of their marketplace "partners" substitute counterfeit/defective products that amazon mix in the bins with the good stuff, and the consumer never knows what they're getting
06:31 PM roycroft: i do not subcribe to amazon prime, and i'm usually not in a hurry for things
06:31 PM roycroft: and fyi, the two items that i just received that i have to return i attempted to purchase locally
06:32 PM roycroft: and they are items that i used to get locally, but local stores can no longer afford to stock items that are not high profit, instant turn-around items, because they've been destroyed by amazon, wal*mart, and that ilk
06:32 PM JT[m]: Hmm
06:33 PM JT-Shop: well fitting broke
06:33 PM CloudEvil: Did anything fall down the hole?
06:33 PM Tom_L: JT[m], got parts to fix it on hand?
06:34 PM * roycroft will spare the channel with a continued rant about amazon, but to claim that a vendor who engages in monopolistic practices and treats is employees poorly to the point of being almost inhumane has not had a negative affect on honest, local businesses is at best, extremely naive
06:34 PM Rowow[m]: uh no they dont... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b5f24dba22f7576312b03552fd8a5da32555dd4c>)
06:35 PM Rowow[m]: you dont realize how contradictory and ignorant you are. just trying to educate how online marketplaces work.
06:35 PM roycroft: my bigger challenge right now is figuring out how fit all my table saw accessories into the drawers that i'm going to build that are not plentiful enough to hold everything :)
06:36 PM roycroft: rowow: i'm not engaging on this topic any more, and i'd appreciate it if you would also disengage, thanks
06:36 PM Rowow[m]: I will always stand by truth in this world
06:36 PM * roycroft refers rowow to the remarks he made some moments ago
06:37 PM * roycroft needs to invent a magical shoehorn right now
06:37 PM roycroft: mayhap i need to take a course or two at hogwarts
06:38 PM roycroft: hermione had that tent that would come in pretty handy right now
06:38 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I might but I'm going to let it dry out over night then toss some straw in before tackling it
06:39 PM JT-Shop: I got some water from my buddy around the lake
06:39 PM Tom_L: and hope it don't rain
06:40 PM JT-Woodshop: shut your mouth!
06:48 PM Unterhaus__: I would need more tablesaw accessories before I had storage problems. But I need to finish some projects that are taking up space in the tablesaw cabinet
06:48 PM roycroft: blades, jigs, hold-downs, tools - it all takes a lot of space
06:49 PM roycroft: i've actually been pondering getting rid of the tablesaw completely
06:49 PM roycroft: that would free up a whole lot of very precious real estate
06:50 PM roycroft: but there are a few operations that i have trouble seeing being able to do with other machines as efficiently as with the tablesaw
07:06 PM CloudEvil: 'but what if I could use a chisel at one hundred miles an hour'
07:11 PM roycroft: my first stationary tool was a bandsaw, not a table saw
07:11 PM roycroft: my second was a jointer
07:12 PM roycroft: my third was a tablesaw
07:12 PM roycroft: if i were to start over again today, i'd do it in the same order, except i'd get a thicknesser before a tablesaw
07:12 PM roycroft: i'd probably even get a drill press before a tablesaw
07:16 PM Unterhaus__: I have thought about not having a tablesaw, but I use it all the time
07:21 PM roycroft: i do too, but most of what i use it for i could do with other tools
07:21 PM roycroft: and if i'm honest, i'm too old (and have been too old for a while) to reasonably break down sheet goods on the tablesaw
07:22 PM roycroft: i use my track saw for that, and if i did not have the tablesaw, i'd have room for an mft type workstation that would both make it easier to break down sheet goods, and also easier to do the finish cuts on sheet goods that i do with the tablesaw now
07:23 PM roycroft: if i got a ts75 i'd be able to do a lot more with the track saw
07:23 PM roycroft: i do most of my ripping on my bandsaw, because it's safer and easier
07:24 PM roycroft: with the new router i just got i can make dadoes as easily as with the tablesaw, even more easily on large panels
07:25 PM roycroft: but some things, like cutting thin strips, i'm not sure i could do with another machine as efficiently as with the tablesaw