#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 13 2023

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:33 AM Deejay: moin
03:09 AM randy: morning
03:10 AM xxcoder8265[m]: test
03:13 AM randy: xxcoder8265[m]: it works. :)
03:13 AM XXCoder: yeah had to check because bridge somehow missed your word
03:14 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning to all my friends! :-) oh, and have a good day to everyone else. ;-)
03:14 AM XXCoder: hey
04:34 AM Tom_L: morning
04:47 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:55 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:15 AM mits[m]: I've forgotten where I was asking questions on this... does LinuxCNC have a way (or an existing interface) to probe down for the entire workspace of an opened file? PSNG seems to be centered around single points and not recording arrays
05:16 AM mits[m]: and finding search results for such things is hard when most of the results is that kind of probing
05:21 AM mits[m]: I guess there must be a way... axis is able to give me an error if I try to run a program that goes beyond the machine dimensions, so it must know the bounding box of the work
05:37 AM serp2 is now known as serp
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05:55 AM sensille_ is now known as sensille
07:21 AM Lcvette[m]: Morning
07:26 AM JT-Cave: yo
07:40 AM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: do you know if 7i76e firmware can be setup to have only 1 pair of mpg encoder input and 2 alalog inputs to free up 4 additional inputs on TB5 and TB6?
07:41 AM Lcvette[m]: s/alalog/analog/
07:43 AM JT-Cave: you can set the number analog outputs and unused ones are gpio
07:43 AM Lcvette[m]: oh perfect
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07:44 AM Lcvette[m]: so this is acceptable
07:45 AM JT-Cave: 7i76 or 7i76e?
07:45 AM Lcvette[m]: e
07:46 AM Lcvette[m]: sorry for confusion
07:46 AM Lcvette[m]: i borrowed my older lathe pinout chart which was a std 7i76
07:46 AM Lcvette[m]: but this would be on my 7i76e
07:47 AM JT-Cave: tb5 and tb6 is I/O
07:47 AM Lcvette[m]: correct
07:47 AM Lcvette[m]: i am referring to the blue and green analog
07:47 AM Lcvette[m]: * the blue mpg and green
07:48 AM JT-Cave: there is no analog on tb5 or tb6
07:49 AM Lcvette[m]: oh
07:50 AM JT-Cave: tb2 and tb3 are 5 step/dir 1 encoder and 1 serial
07:50 AM JT-Cave: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#config%20modparam
07:51 AM * JT-Cave starts his chicken day
07:52 AM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: ANALOG INPUTS
07:52 AM Lcvette[m]: All field input pins are capable of reading the input voltage. These are not highly
07:52 AM Lcvette[m]: accurate or high resolution but can be useful for things like potentiometer inputs. Input resolution is 8 bits and input full scale value is 36.3V. Accuracy is +-5%. Software process data modes 1 and 2 allow reading the analog voltage on inputs 0 through 3, in addition to the 32 digital bit inputs.
07:52 AM Lcvette[m]: * JT-Cave: ANALOG INPUTS
07:52 AM Lcvette[m]: All field input pins are capable of reading the input voltage. These are not highly accurate or high resolution but can be useful for things like potentiometer inputs. Input resolution is 8 bits and input full scale value is 36.3V. Accuracy is +-5%. Software process data modes 1 and 2 allow reading the analog voltage on inputs 0 through 3, in addition to the 32 digital bit inputs.
08:16 AM JT-Shop_: you want to use an input as analog?
08:16 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:20 AM JT-Shop: freaking squirrel ate my flag
08:29 AM Lcvette[m]: dirty squirel
08:29 AM Lcvette[m]: * dirty squirrel
08:29 AM Lcvette[m]: was thinking to use one of the analog inputs for spindle load
08:29 AM Lcvette[m]: to conect to the load meter in probe basic
08:38 AM JT-Woodshop: so you have to set mode 1 or mode 2 to get analog inputs
08:39 AM Lcvette[m]: correct, i just wanted to verify that any inputs that were not being used for analog could be used for general purpose input
08:40 AM Lcvette[m]: of the 0-3 that are set with Mode 2
08:41 AM Lcvette[m]: so for example if mode 2 is set, and i use TB6 pins 0 and 1 for analog in, can pins 2 and 3 still be used for GPIO?
08:41 AM Lcvette[m]: or i guess GPI since its in the input zone
08:43 AM JT-Cave: now I understand the question and if they are set as analog by mode I don't think you can use them as digital but I may be wrong
08:43 AM Lcvette[m]: ok
08:43 AM Lcvette[m]: i could not find a definitive answer from my reading either
08:45 AM JT-Cave: MODE 1I/O plus analog input mode (32 bits of input data, 16 bits of output data, 4
08:45 AM JT-Cave: analog input channels)
08:45 AM JT-Cave: pcw---home, would know
08:47 AM Lcvette[m]: it appears to use mpg input on TB5 16-19, you have to set mode 2 which also sets analog on TB6 0-3
08:47 AM * Lcvette[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/062d9c9b20c54225a7d5536cb963701fcdaae107
08:49 AM Lcvette[m]: so anyone using mpg input would be forced to sacrifice 4 additional inputs if they weren't analog/digital multi function
08:49 AM Lcvette[m]: * additional inputs on 0-3 if they
08:49 AM Lcvette[m]: maybe Peter can shed some light
09:01 AM pcw---home: MPG and analog inputs do not interfere with use of their pins as normal digital inputs
09:02 AM Lcvette[m]: \o/
09:02 AM Lcvette[m]: excellent!
09:02 AM Lcvette[m]: thanks Peter!
09:03 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: do you by chance remember the name of the user you helped with the index pulse step direction spindle?
09:03 AM Lcvette[m]: i hunted for it forever last night and could not find
09:15 AM pcw---home: No, its been a year or so ago
09:17 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: I certainly appreciate the help on the Firmware Peter, thanks again
09:17 AM pcw---home: basically there is no difference in homing/spindle setup between normal encoder feedback setups and stepgen setups _except_ the index enable name
09:17 AM Lcvette[m]: I will report back when i find the thread
09:19 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: so i do not need to change anything in this line from my previous setup?
09:19 AM Lcvette[m]: net x-index-enable joint.0.index-enable <=> hm2_7i92.0.encoder.00.index-enable
09:20 AM pcw---home: change encoder to stepgen and you are done
09:20 AM Lcvette[m]: 😲
09:20 AM Lcvette[m]: ok
09:20 AM Lcvette[m]: thank you
09:21 AM Lcvette[m]: \o/
09:21 AM Lcvette[m]: 😄
09:22 AM pcw---home: note that this assumes all the correct connections are made to x-index-enable joint.0.index-enable
09:22 AM Lcvette[m]: ```
09:22 AM Lcvette[m]: #*******************
09:22 AM Lcvette[m]: # AXIS X JOINT 0
09:22 AM Lcvette[m]: ...(truncated)
09:22 AM pcw---home: (that is, homing to encoder index was properly setup)
09:23 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: do you see anything there in that single axis hal excerpt?
09:23 AM Lcvette[m]: it has not changed since your last instruction in 2018
09:25 AM pcw---home: basically the index enable signal needs to connect to linuxcnc (thats x-index-enable joint.0.index-enable )
09:25 AM pcw---home: and the PID component
09:27 AM pcw---home: I assume the spindle has an encoder so no changes are needed there (except possibly the hardware channel number)
09:27 AM JT-Shop: when you set the mode to 1 do you use GPIO or normal inputs for the digital inputs?
09:29 AM pcw---home: JT-Shop: The normal 7I76E (or 7I77, 7I84 etc) field inputs do not change (you always have 32 field inputs available)
09:29 AM JT-Shop: ok, thanks
09:30 AM pcw---home: When analog or MPG inputs are enable their hal pins are added but the digital I/O remains the same
09:30 AM pcw---home: enabled
09:33 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: the 7i76 db25 fall in that category as well?
09:38 AM perry_j1987: morning
09:38 AM perry_j1987: hows everyone doing today
09:39 AM pcw---home: yes, any sserial device with field inputs works this way
09:39 AM Lcvette[m]: 👍️ Thanks! Much Appreciated
09:56 AM perry_j1987: so whats the best way to setup a tool height probe
10:06 AM Tom_L: sooo confusing!
10:07 AM roycroft: it's a blustery day
10:07 AM roycroft: high winds, and rain showers
10:07 AM roycroft: it's supposed to turn into heavy rain this afternoon, and then snow overnight
10:07 AM Tom_L: beautiful here
10:07 AM roycroft: it was beautiful here all weekend
10:07 AM Tom_L: chilly but not unseasonal
10:17 AM unterhausen: supposed to get up to 66F on wednesday, that's unusual
10:17 AM unterhausen: that's 18.88888888888888888889C for roycroft
10:18 AM Tom_L: you missed a decimal
10:20 AM roycroft: 66f is 19c
10:21 AM roycroft: people need to get over doing those kinds of conversions
10:21 AM roycroft: that's what is keeping us from moving forward with implenting si units here, and finally getting away from trying to support two systems of measurement
10:24 AM isaacggw[m] is now known as iggw2795[m]
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11:25 AM Lcvette[m]: I always confuse this, but i believe this circuit will NOT work with the 7i76e, is that correct?
11:27 AM Lcvette[m]: 7i76e has sinking inputs only
11:28 AM Lcvette[m]: and this is a sourcing circuit, can someone verify
11:42 AM pcw---home: To use the DYN4 index output you would wire ZRI- to encoder GND AND ZRI+ to encoder IDX
11:43 AM pcw---home: (and set that index input to TTL mode)
11:43 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: this is for a different machine that is using just a 7i76e
11:43 AM Lcvette[m]: no encoder inputs
11:44 AM Lcvette[m]: im making some help documentation for all the various homing scenarios possible and how to wire and configure in hal
11:45 AM pcw---home: you cannot use hardware index on field inputs
11:46 AM pcw---home: (well if the home to index is slow enough the you can guarantee tha you will not miss it, you could do it with a index component sampling the index signal itself)
11:46 AM Lcvette[m]: oh
11:48 AM Lcvette[m]: this was dmm's way of using a switched output from what i was told and it is not actually an encoder output pulse
11:49 AM Lcvette[m]: they told me to use it as a secondary more accurate home switch input
11:58 AM pcw---home: there is a thread on doing this (using a generic hal input pin) It needed a new hal component to simulate index enable behaviour
12:01 PM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: im searching now! beyond that, the circuit looks to be sourcing which the 7i76e inputs won't take so it would need to be flipped?
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12:03 PM Lcvette[m]: i used this flipper on my bench test setup to change the sourcing to sinking to work with the DMM Drives
12:04 PM Lcvette[m]: but I don't know if the flipper inline would make things worse for timing?
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12:18 PM pcw---home: The DMM index output is an uncommitted OPTO, it will work directly with 7I76E field inputs
12:20 PM pcw---home: +24 to ZRI+, ZRI- to field input
12:21 PM Lcvette[m]: cool
12:22 PM Lcvette[m]: ok perfect
12:22 PM pcw---home: (you will damage the DMM output if you short ZRI- to GND so safer is to connect ZRI+ to 24V through a 1K resistor)
12:22 PM Tom_L: Lcvette[m], how's that chinese machine you got holding up?
12:22 PM pcw---home: (so max current is limited to 24 mA)
12:22 PM Tom_L: iirc you ordered one with no control...
12:25 PM travis_farmer[m]: just to confirm, this type of display will work with the 7i73? https://www.adafruit.com/product/198
12:26 PM Tom_L: it has the standard 44780 chip so probably
12:26 PM Tom_L: iirc i have a couple of those
12:26 PM Tom_L: not from them
12:27 PM pcw---home: Some of the organic LED ones work also
12:28 PM travis_farmer[m]: ok, i just wanted to confirm as the one i have is possibly dead, (old water damage) and wanted to rule out incompatibility
12:28 PM Lcvette[m]: <Tom_L> "lcvette, how's that chinese..." <- its been running good, i put off updating to 2.9 for a long time but finally committed to updating it and in process of adding home to index and a few other things that i have had but lived without for a while now
12:28 PM Tom_L: nice
12:28 PM Tom_L: just curious how happy you were with it so far..
12:30 PM Tom_L: travis_farmer[m], iirc you can use those in either 4 or 8 bit mode
12:30 PM Tom_L: if you're ever short on pins
12:30 PM Lcvette[m]: the actual machine is ok, fit and finish issues and some cheaper components have gone bad and needed to be replaced,
12:31 PM travis_farmer[m]: yes, i am aware, Tom_L, thanks :-)
12:34 PM unterhaus_: when I was looking for lcd's all the ones I could find had a serial board soldered on. I could desolder, I suppose
12:35 PM travis_farmer[m]: same here, unterhaus_ , my only display that wasn't soldered to a I2C board, and it was dead LMAO :-)
12:36 PM unterhaus_: I have a whole box of seemingly incompatible displays
12:36 PM unterhaus_: should take them to recycling
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12:37 PM travis_farmer[m]: sell them on eBay, unterhaus_ , always somebody looking to buy stuff like that
12:41 PM unterhaus_: yeah, probably get purchased by someone who doesn't understand "no guarantee that they work, and especially no guarantee that _you_ can get them to work"
12:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, there are always those folks ;-)
12:42 PM unterhaus_: apparently all the Chinese displays use a 2004 chip
12:42 PM unterhaus_: I seem to attract that kind of person
12:44 PM unterhaus_: I wonder how much adafruit would charge to ship an lcd
12:45 PM unterhaus_: they charge $7 extra on amazon
12:45 PM travis_farmer[m]: where to? they are in new york i think
12:46 PM unterhaus_: central pennsylvania
12:46 PM Rab: 2004 like this? https://www.raystar-optronics.com/character-lcd-display-module/RC2004A.html
12:47 PM Rab: 2004 seems to designate the board. Not sure what's under the epoxy globs, but it seems to be HD44780-compatible.
12:47 PM unterhaus_: Rab, they just stay 2004, but I assume that's it
12:47 PM unterhaus_: just say
12:48 PM Tom_L: i had a coupld 'glob chip' displays that i managed to get working but weren't quite 44780 compatible
12:48 PM Rab: Character VFDs are more exciting, they're worth their weight in gold these days.
12:49 PM unterhaus_: well, I have some vfd's too, but probably not what people want
12:50 PM unterhaus_: 2004 probably just means 20x4
12:50 PM Rab: The cheapest way to get a nice big VFD is to buy a surplus POS tower. Older ones have a more standard interface, newer ones natively speak some binary serial protocol over RS-422.
12:51 PM Rab: unterhaus_, yeah, nice catch.
12:51 PM travis_farmer[m]: yes, it does
12:52 PM unterhaus_: I think in my surplus buying days, 16x2 was a lot more common for lcds
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12:53 PM Lcvette[m]: pcw---home: ^^^
12:53 PM Lcvette[m]: like this?
12:53 PM unterhaus_: but I did manage to desolder a 20x4 from something
12:54 PM pcw---home: Lcvette: yes
12:54 PM Lcvette[m]: 👍️
12:54 PM Lcvette[m]: I will add it to the docs!
01:04 PM perry_j1987: was going to play with setting up probe basic but i cannot find any monitors in the shop that do 1080p heh
01:05 PM Lcvette[m]: wow, in tis day and age i would htink finding the small monitors would be more problematic
01:07 PM perry_j1987: they are all like 1440x900 max here
01:08 PM Lcvette[m]: perry_j1987: where are you located?
01:09 PM perry_j1987: wisconsin
01:09 PM perry_j1987: does that excuse me from not having any 1080 monitors? :)
01:10 PM Lcvette[m]: oh you mean in your current possesion
01:10 PM Lcvette[m]: i thought you meant you were in a remote region of the world and they were unavailable
01:11 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
01:11 PM travis_farmer[m]: wow, glad i don't do much with Adafruit... $10 to ship that LCD screen and a ribbon cable i didn't have on hand...
01:14 PM perry_j1987: oh lol
01:14 PM Lcvette[m]: what city?
01:14 PM perry_j1987: i was just curious about probe basic. i've been running vanilla axis all these years
01:15 PM perry_j1987: near Madison
01:15 PM Lcvette[m]: most feedback i get from axis > Probe Basic converts is very psitive
01:15 PM perry_j1987: you?
01:16 PM Lcvette[m]: Wilmington, NC
01:16 PM Lcvette[m]: check market place for a used touch screen
01:16 PM Lcvette[m]: 21.5 is as small as i would go
01:17 PM Lcvette[m]: 23-24 is the berries
01:17 PM Lcvette[m]: * 21.5" is
01:17 PM Lcvette[m]: * 23-24" is
01:19 PM perry_j1987: you made probe basic?
01:19 PM Lcvette[m]: yes
01:20 PM Lcvette[m]: i had some fantastic help from turboss, joco and hazzy
01:22 PM travis_farmer[m]: now that i have a better running LCNC PC, i may go back to probe basic. on my last computer, i found it to bog down the system, but that should not be an issue with my current system.
01:22 PM perry_j1987: glad to see some decent looking interfaces finally being made heh
01:23 PM Lcvette[m]: I am partial of course, but i find it very convenient to use for everyday machining
01:24 PM travis_farmer[m]: why would anybody ever think you are biased? ;-)
01:26 PM perry_j1987: too bad it doesnt work with 1024 resolution
01:27 PM Lcvette[m]: nah, its worth the monitor investment
01:27 PM Lcvette[m]: at least to me it is
01:27 PM Lcvette[m]: depends, if you are just doing hobby work it may not be a good roi
01:28 PM Lcvette[m]: for me it save a ton of time daily so its a nobrainer
01:28 PM robert3: using qt layout managers would take care of most screen resolution issues
01:28 PM travis_farmer[m]: i wish probe basic had a linear rack tool changer, though
01:28 PM Rab: travis_farmer[m], protip, Mouser and Digi-Key carry many/most Adafruit (and Sparkfun, DFRobot, etc) products, and can often cut a better deal on shipping. For example, Digi-Key has a first class mail option for $4.99.
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01:29 PM travis_farmer[m]: ahh, yes, i forgot about Digi-Key...
01:29 PM Lcvette[m]: robert3: true if it were designed to be multi size compatible
01:30 PM Rab: Amazon also has many of the Adafruit products, but I don't remember if they're fulfilled through Amazon with free shipping or drop-shipped from Adafruit with a shipping charge.
01:30 PM Lcvette[m]: but it was not it was specifically designed to take advantage of the 1920x1080 available realestate
01:30 PM Lcvette[m]: * was not, it
01:30 PM Lcvette[m]: force shrinking it into 1024 would make it unusable
01:33 PM Lcvette[m]: > i wish probe basic had a linear rack tool changer, though
01:33 PM Lcvette[m]: That is in the pipeline
01:33 PM travis_farmer[m]: :-)
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01:44 PM travis_farmer[m]: OOooooh, GUI candy! :-)
01:45 PM Lcvette[m]: travis_farmer: this is in its own branch in the probe basic repository
01:45 PM Lcvette[m]: would be great to get some help if you wanna dabble with it
01:46 PM travis_farmer[m]: does it require that i have my rack changer built yet? i haven't gotten that far yet...
01:47 PM Lcvette[m]: just an imagination, and some research skills
01:47 PM Lcvette[m]: i don't have a rack changer
01:47 PM perry_j1987: does this have setup to run a tool length probe?
01:47 PM Lcvette[m]: just started thinking what i would want if i did and started building it
01:48 PM Lcvette[m]: perry_j1987: probe basic has built in tool length and diameter probing
01:49 PM Lcvette[m]: as well as touch probe probing
01:50 PM perry_j1987: ya i think i'll pick up a 1080 monitor to play with it
01:50 PM travis_farmer[m]: i can give it a try tomorrow. i will have to install the required deps first anyway. looks great though
01:52 PM Lcvette[m]: travis_farmer: 👍️perry_j1987 👍️
01:52 PM Lcvette[m]: perry_j1987: probe basic and a touch screen go together like steak and lobster!
01:54 PM perry_j1987: i got one of these https://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Sensor-setting-Engraving-Machine/dp/B07PRPMZKS/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=tool+length+setter+probe&qid=1676317773&sr=8-3
01:56 PM perry_j1987: no chance at 1440x900 being added eh? :P
01:59 PM Lcvette[m]: zero
01:59 PM Lcvette[m]: the tool setter would work but that style will only measure length offset
01:59 PM Lcvette[m]: * zero chance of a resolution change
02:01 PM perry_j1987: all hardcoded in eh?
02:01 PM Lcvette[m]: i will say that just about everyone who uses probe basic has never complained about the larger monitor afterwards, and when switching back to axis or gmoccapy they usually make a point to message or email me and tell me how happy they are they don't have to use them anymore
02:01 PM Lcvette[m]: designed for the size
02:02 PM Lcvette[m]: to make it small compatible means you build a small screen and then blow it up to fit the HD size
02:03 PM Lcvette[m]: you don't get the benefit of the realestate
02:03 PM Lcvette[m]: you could not fit everything there into a 1024 screen
02:03 PM Lcvette[m]: and making various sizes would require so much change and work that it isn't worth it, not to me
02:03 PM perry_j1987: whole lot of 1440x900 monitors out there
02:03 PM Lcvette[m]: you are 100% free to clone and make a version that fit a smaller screen but prepare for about 6months of work
02:03 PM Lcvette[m]: im sure there are
02:04 PM Lcvette[m]: and a HD monitor going forward is easy to find and source
02:04 PM Lcvette[m]: pretty much the standard
02:04 PM unterhaus_: I thought I had it installed on my pc, but I don't
02:04 PM perry_j1987: aye
02:04 PM Lcvette[m]: if you would like a custom made gui to fit your screen resolution, i could be hired to make it
02:05 PM Lcvette[m]: but i am pretty sure you would prefer the minor cost of a 1920 monitor
02:05 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
02:06 PM perry_j1987: lol
02:06 PM travis_farmer[m]: i love using my 1080p monitor, but in my small shop, i am glad it is on a swing-arm ;-)
02:07 PM XXCoder: dropped oxtools. he only has chatty videos for over a year now
02:07 PM Lcvette[m]: as thin as monitors have become, mounting directly on the front of an enclosure it barely makes any footprint difference
02:08 PM unterhaus_: what happens if probe basic is displayed on a higher resolution monitor?
02:09 PM perry_j1987: well depends what size your tools are Lcvette[m] lol
02:10 PM Lcvette[m]: its not an issue
02:10 PM perry_j1987: these 23+ in monitors are almost bigger than some of the mills people are running haha
02:10 PM Lcvette[m]: larger=ok
02:11 PM Lcvette[m]: 22" is fine
02:11 PM Lcvette[m]: i run 22's and 24's
02:11 PM unterhaus_: the problem with a high resolution 27" monitor is reading the list of configs is a pain
02:11 PM Lcvette[m]: 21.5" is even fine, but you start getting into smaller touch pads for the onscreen buttons
02:12 PM unterhaus_: if I installed probe basic it should show up in the list of configs when I start lcnc, right?
02:12 PM travis_farmer[m]: one of these days, i really gotta build my rack changer... but i have to finish my new shed first, so i have room to build and adjust the rack changer...
02:12 PM Lcvette[m]: i have it open curently on a 1920x1200 at the moment and aside from it being a little taller, its fine
02:13 PM Lcvette[m]: depends how you install it
02:13 PM Lcvette[m]: unterhaus_: are you using the latest installation script?
02:13 PM Lcvette[m]: for bookworm and lcnc 2.9?
02:14 PM unterhaus_: yeah
02:14 PM unterhaus_: no, bullseye
02:14 PM travis_farmer[m]: bookworm? i am only running bullseye (11)
02:14 PM Lcvette[m]: then yes, the script installer copies over the configs
02:15 PM Lcvette[m]: well, hmm... let me look at that
02:17 PM Lcvette[m]: I am not sure if this places it in the linuxcnc installation from apt or if this just works on the run in place install script
02:17 PM Lcvette[m]: if you run it, let me know if it populates or not, i can adjust the path to accomodate if not
02:20 PM unterhaus_: where are the py3 install instructions? only finding py2
02:21 PM Lcvette[m]: https://github.com/Lcvette/qtpyvcp-bookworm-installer
02:21 PM Lcvette[m]: follow the instructions step by step
02:24 PM Lcvette[m]: unterhaus_: ^^^
02:24 PM unterhaus_: I guess I got the code from github
02:24 PM Lcvette[m]: travis_farmer: the latest script is designed to install lcnc on its own through apt so it updates with your normally run sudo apt update
02:25 PM Lcvette[m]: unterhaus_: that script installer is only a week old
02:25 PM Lcvette[m]: previously the bullseye installer installed lcnc bercause there were no images or apt installation methods
02:26 PM unterhaus_: okay, thanks. Unfortunately I'll have to look into it later
02:26 PM Lcvette[m]: now that apt install is available on book worm for Lcnc I edited the script so it only installs the debs for qtpyvcp/probe basic and both softwares
02:27 PM Lcvette[m]: s/book/bookworm/, s/worm//
02:28 PM travis_farmer[m]: what if LCNC 2.9 pre1 is already on my computer?
02:29 PM Lcvette[m]: you can install using the new script
02:29 PM Lcvette[m]: just don't install lcnc from the top part of the instructions
02:29 PM unterhaus_: too easy
02:29 PM roguish[m]1: Lcvette: you're a frickin programmer now.....lololo
02:29 PM Lcvette[m]: roguish: that is an insult to programmers
02:29 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
02:30 PM roguish[m]1: that's a compliment to you..........
02:30 PM Lcvette[m]: thank you, but it is sorely misplaced..lol
02:31 PM Lcvette[m]: i just hacked about at smarter peoples work
02:31 PM Lcvette[m]: 😄
02:32 PM Lcvette[m]: mainly joco and turboss
02:32 PM roguish[m]1: shit howdy, that's all I do also.............but it works. gets the job done.
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: Lol.. it works out from time to time, bit more often than not joco or tirboss has to sweep up the path of devastation i leave in my wake
02:35 PM roguish[m]1: hey did you write the probing routines in PB
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: s/bit/but/, s/tirboss/turboss/
02:35 PM travis_farmer[m]: sounds like when i program...
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: Yes
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: But i understand that code
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: Python to me is like cuniform sp?
02:35 PM roguish[m]1: you're good at the gcode and macro stuff..
02:36 PM travis_farmer[m]: same here. i can read Python better than i can write it
02:37 PM Lcvette[m]: i figure im about a 1:100 programmer
02:38 PM Lcvette[m]: for every one successful change i make in python there were 100 unsuccesful attempts and undo's
02:38 PM Lcvette[m]: i have started the online training class at least 2 dozen times and everytime i get to the hello world section im daydreaming about something else
02:39 PM perry_j1987: Lcvette[m] you didnt use chatGPT to make probe basic you mean?! :)
02:40 PM travis_farmer[m]: LMAO
02:40 PM Lcvette[m]: no
02:41 PM Lcvette[m]: in fact when i started i knew zero about any of it or linuxcnc
02:41 PM perry_j1987: lol
02:41 PM Lcvette[m]: hell Hazzy had to ship me a pc setup with linux installed and linuxcnc and the early qtpyvcp dev environment
02:42 PM Lcvette[m]: he tried 5 times to walk me through it and I think he finally just said here this will be easier
02:42 PM Lcvette[m]: and he shipped me an old thinkcentre loaded with it being made as simple to use as possible
02:42 PM Lcvette[m]: icons preconfigured so i didn't have to use the temrinal
02:43 PM Lcvette[m]: he basically sent me a windows version of linux
02:43 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
02:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: ROFLMAO, nobody ever sent me a dev computer.
02:43 PM Lcvette[m]: i was that pitiful
02:44 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
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02:47 PM perry_j1987: lol
02:47 PM perry_j1987: why did you make probe basic
02:48 PM Lcvette[m]: because nothing in the existing gui's had the features i want and non were very intuitive to interface with
02:48 PM Lcvette[m]: s/nothing/none/
02:48 PM Lcvette[m]: s/nothing/none/, s/want/wanted/
02:49 PM perry_j1987: what was that other one. path pilot everyone was so into
02:51 PM Lcvette[m]: yeah i really like path pilot, but installing it at my then skill level may as well have been like me writing my own interface, the process was not well documented and the version lag behind issue was a questionmark and there was zero support for it if you didn't have a tormach
02:51 PM Lcvette[m]: that ui was what broght me to linuxcnc to begin with
02:52 PM Lcvette[m]: then i saw the thread from Brenda about the new gui she was building and i followed it and contrinuted graphics and then she said ok, now who wanted to build it.......
02:52 PM Lcvette[m]: the whole time i thought that is what she was doing
02:52 PM Lcvette[m]: then i started talking to Hazzy and he had the qtpyvcp project in its infancy
02:53 PM Lcvette[m]: and from there it all just started clicking along
02:53 PM perry_j1987: lol ya i've ran across a lot of threads over the years of interfaces that ended up being mockups heh
02:55 PM Lcvette[m]: working with Hazzy who was building qtpyvcp in parallel with my build of probe basic on qtpyvcp was a good thing as i kep asking if we could have this feature or function and he would find a way to make it, same with turboss, it was a really good team up between the three of us
02:55 PM Lcvette[m]: and then Joco came in and added his flavor and several other short term contributors who popped in to ask a question and i wrangled them into helping with it..lol
02:56 PM Lcvette[m]: and then the py2/py3 conundrum came to pass and everything came to a screeching hault
02:57 PM Lcvette[m]: we lost all ability to update the py2 branch because of deb requirements for qt and compatibility issues, and 2.9 was in its infancy and not in any real world readiness state
02:57 PM perry_j1987: and between the three of you no one had a 1440x900 monitor? :P
02:57 PM Lcvette[m]: no
02:58 PM Lcvette[m]: hazzy had a 1024 monitor
02:58 PM Lcvette[m]: i eneded up sendin ghim a 1920 just so he could open probe basic to see issues or features i was adding and to find solutions
02:59 PM Lcvette[m]: perry_j1987: having a 1440x900 monitor is like having a vhs video tape and asking sony to bring back the vcr
03:00 PM perry_j1987: lol still a lot of pentium 4 computers running linuxcnc on one hand
03:00 PM Lcvette[m]: thats gonna go away soon too
03:01 PM Lcvette[m]: there are already big struggles ahead for backplotter software compatibility because what is currently being used and is friendly to the older computers is at or nearing end of life
03:02 PM Lcvette[m]: this latest pull of lcnc couldn't open any of the gui's using the older backplotter and required a work around but that is just a stop gap measure
03:03 PM Lcvette[m]: this move to 2.9 spells the beginning of the end for decade old pc use with linuxcnc
03:03 PM Lcvette[m]: you will still be able to use it but you will be stuck with older versions
03:04 PM Lcvette[m]: qtpyvcp uses a more modern back plotter that is already not 100% compatible with older opengl versions
03:04 PM Lcvette[m]: but the upside to that is it is future proofed
03:04 PM Lcvette[m]: when axis and gmoccapy wouldn't open, probe basic did
03:06 PM Lcvette[m]: so its either make the jump now when its optional or get forced into it later when your hardware is no longer compatible
03:07 PM perry_j1987: I've been wondering why there are no commercial companies making a whole linuxcnc offering to modernize older equipment
03:07 PM perry_j1987: super nice gui paid support and such
03:08 PM Lcvette[m]: open source
03:08 PM Lcvette[m]: can't sell the software
03:08 PM Lcvette[m]: can sell the hardware, but only a small percentage of folks using linuxcnc use it in a capacity to spend money on highr end hardware
03:09 PM Lcvette[m]: its probably 90/10 people running on old windows xp converted machines that came from mach3
03:10 PM Lcvette[m]: * probably 90/10,, * 90% of the people running
03:10 PM Lcvette[m]: 10% using it for business
03:10 PM XXCoder: most of mach3 copies is hacked
03:10 PM Lcvette[m]: or who are more willing to invest in it
03:11 PM unterhaus_: nobody wants to pay for free software
03:11 PM perry_j1987: can make a gui and offer paid support if im not mistaken though
03:11 PM perry_j1987: as well as sell hardware too
03:11 PM perry_j1987: thats basically tormach + selling the machine as well lol
03:12 PM Lcvette[m]: XXCoder: 4-certain
03:12 PM Lcvette[m]: i didn't know that
03:13 PM Lcvette[m]: the paid support thing
03:13 PM unterhaus_: for Tormach, lcnc costs less than their own software would
03:14 PM unterhaus_: can't sell a cnc machine without software
03:14 PM XXCoder: its cool that they follow terms too
03:16 PM unterhaus_: it's too bad they didn't keep up though. I understand why
03:17 PM unterhaus_: of course, a lot of changes in lcnc are driven by some genius idea that linus torvalds had
03:20 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (351KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/fvhuStEJHcXdGmKNdEvwhVyk/image.png >
03:20 PM * perry_j1987 what do you mean didn't keep up?
03:22 PM Lcvette[m]: 🤣🤣🤣
03:28 PM perry_j1987: lol
03:40 PM Lcvette[m]: im running out of room on this 7i76e for inputs, has anyone comined servo drive alarm inputs to a single physical board pin?
03:41 PM Lcvette[m]: seems like if one alarm the system shjould stop much like limits
03:50 PM JT-Woodshop: https://mesaus.com/product/7i84/
03:50 PM JT-Woodshop: 32 Input 16 Output
05:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: people don't wish to pay me for my time to rework older CNC machines
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they won't even pay $1k/day
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from what I have noticed some people might pay $200/day for some retrofits
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is only $50/hour
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is about what an electrician charges to wire up your lights and outlets
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how long does it take to convert a CNC mill to LCNC? A few days minimum
05:09 PM Tom_L: how long is a rope?
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: if you wait long enough, I'm sure someone will answer and argue over the length of the imaginary rope puzzle
05:10 PM Tom_L: heh i'm sure
05:11 PM Tom_L: the 2nd build is certainly easier/quicker than the first
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: the question is not who offers LCNC conversions, it is who will pay for this
05:12 PM Tom_L: serious shops wouldn't take a look at a build like that. they want factory support with known controls
05:12 PM JT-Woodshop: https://youtu.be/SlovvsGVVJk?list=PLB00JHoTw1TeX82Qw8hoFLRJI89Us_jMw&t=178
05:13 PM Tom_L: so then it falls back to small shops and hobbyists
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the only serious shops might look at it for a custom machine
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but shops tend to stick with what they know vs
05:15 PM Tom_L: the ones i've seen around here buy new and run them til they're old and rinse and repeat
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vs try to build a better or faster machine
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah it's like buying spoons
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they buy what they can finance
05:15 PM Tom_L: the one exception is that large gantry shop
05:16 PM Tom_L: they're rebuilding alot of things there
05:16 PM Tom_L: but it's kinda hard to move those out
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: likely since large machines are often built in place
05:16 PM Tom_L: they were
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or were pretty much custom when they bought it
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: big CNC over 10 years old don't even sell for much
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's old and worn out
05:19 PM Tom_L: yeah i've seen them sitting ouside shops in the rain
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some shops are run by such cheapskates that they hold on to old machines until they just don't have room anymore, they list them for way too high prices
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh and even they they want too much for scrap machines
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I can't even give larger machines away
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have >$100k in parts that I can only try to sell on ebay or sell for scrap
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/5geH8WV.jpg
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: who wants big parts like these?
05:27 PM Tom_L: probably pretty specific to a machine
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: people want machines that fit into their garage or basement
05:28 PM unterhaus_: I'll take that ballscrew for shipping
05:28 PM unterhaus_: need one for my lathe
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that's a pretty standard 40mm screw with 5mm pitch and about 1.4m long
05:29 PM Tom_L: what diameter is it?
05:29 PM Tom_L: maybe for a Y axis
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: well I wouldn't be able to toss it to you :)
05:30 PM unterhaus_: I forget how long my lathe is
05:31 PM unterhaus_: Cap'n have you ever been asked to sign an nda you didn't like?
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: sure and i usually modify them until they are acceptable
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: most often they cover what I already know anyway
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the worst ones try to include that they own anything new that you bring up
05:33 PM unterhaus_: I'm not going to disclose anything, but when they start talking about damages it isn't great
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i saw one with fines for leaks
05:34 PM unterhaus_: I don't think this one talks about owning my work product
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: $1500 per incident
05:34 PM unterhaus_: I probably have more proprietary exposure in this particular instance
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the majority are pretty fair
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some try to be perpetual
05:36 PM unterhaus_: that has been my experience. I signed one for this company before but I don't remember it
05:36 PM unterhaus_: I guarantee I will not learn anything from them and I'm not going to tell anyone about it
05:38 PM unterhaus_: One company I worked for, one of their consultants just went and told a competitor everything he knew about their products
05:39 PM unterhaus_: I don't think he got anything from it either
05:40 PM XXCoder: thats one big ballscrew
05:44 PM Tom_L: meh
05:45 PM XXCoder: I still remember that 3" diameter ballscrew lol
05:45 PM XXCoder: it was on quite large machine
05:45 PM Tom_L: the ones on my bud's machines were 3"
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if I have space I usually hang on to things until some matching project comes up
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I forget about some devices and then have to try selling them for next to nothing
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: things like projectors and monitors that are hardly used
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but > 5 years old, some i recently sold had < 10 hours on the lamp timers
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i have a bunch of linear AC servo positioners ~1m travel, 150-900W
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: rotary table/positioners with crazy low repeatability
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: $10-15k new ea
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: practically worthless to most CNC hobbyists since they require tuning and proper setup and even then are far to accurate for hobby
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.parkermotion.com/products/Linear_Servo_Motors__5471__30_32_80_567_29.html
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: who needs 5G's accel and 1um accuracy at home?
05:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.parkermotion.com/products/Linear_Servo_Motors__7012__30_32_80_567_29.html optical encoder options with resolutions to 0.1 micron
06:00 PM XXCoder: how about building your own "spare parts" cnc machine and sell em
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and put them on youtube and make Gelbart look like a crude caveman
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: so like $40k in parts and sell the machine for $4k?
06:01 PM XXCoder: lol yeah that'd be basically what is happening eh
06:02 PM XXCoder: dont forget your labor
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok so $2k
06:02 PM XXCoder: hah
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🤑
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: labor has negative value, like used classic cars
06:04 PM unterhaus_: I was always pretty interested in linear motors until one of ours corroded
06:04 PM unterhaus_: I spent hours cleaning up magnet pieces
06:05 PM unterhaus_: I started appreciating the utility of ball bearings and ballscrews
06:06 PM unterhaus_: fortunately my boss has students that could just give us a replacement
06:06 PM XXCoder: I wonder what would happen to that massive collection of classic cars by that comedian
06:07 PM unterhaus_: one of them just put him in the hospital not that long ago
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think you have to time the auctions right
06:07 PM unterhaus_: there is always some rich person around to buy them
06:08 PM XXCoder: ah yes jay leno
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i watch some and cars go for really low
06:08 PM unterhaus_: although leno might have paid a premium
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: other times crazy high
06:08 PM unterhaus_: somehow I doubt leno got any bro deals, nobody likes him
06:10 PM unterhaus_: I should put a batch of stuff on ebay and get the space back
06:10 PM roycroft: i need to ebay a bunch of stuff
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I wondered if it was Leno or NBC that knocked Conan off the show
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the story was Leno
06:11 PM roycroft: but now that ebay have to 1099 me on $600 in sales per year, it's a tax hassle
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah
06:12 PM roycroft: not that i'm trying to evade paying taxes
06:12 PM unterhaus_: the way Conan hates leno, I think you have your answer
06:12 PM roycroft: but stuff i ebay is usually old, and it's hard to come up with receipts for when i originally purchased it, so i can prove i'm selling it at a loss
06:13 PM * roycroft never liked leno nor conan, and so doesn't care
06:13 PM roycroft: carson, cavett, letterman, and colbert are the late night hosts i like
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Leno was funny in the 80's
06:14 PM roycroft: his humor can be a bit too dorky for my taste
06:14 PM roycroft: not that i dislike dorkiness
06:15 PM roycroft: joan rivers would have been a better replacement for carson than leno, imo
06:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Craig Ferguson is fun to watch in compilations, his show was often dull when live
06:16 PM roycroft: yeah, he had some good moments
06:16 PM roycroft: but his show came on after my bed time
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i wish there was a modern cavett on today
06:16 PM roycroft: i like seth meyers too, but same thing
06:16 PM roycroft: i think dick cavett is my all-time favorite late night host
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just great interviews
06:17 PM roycroft: yes
06:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hardly anyone would even get it now
06:17 PM roycroft: if you haven't seen it yet, btw, there's a recent pbs special
06:17 PM roycroft: cavett talking about his friendship with groucho
06:17 PM roycroft: it's a really great show
06:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unless he added some sort of fart contest in between guests
06:18 PM unterhaus_: I never saw anything I didn't like on leno, but I never watch late night
06:18 PM roycroft: cavett has wit and intelligence
06:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are lots of Groucho vids youtube now
06:18 PM unterhaus_: I did see the episode of letterman when he embarrassed Bo Derek
06:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even when he was on Whats my Line
06:19 PM XXCoder: virtually only one i didnt like about jay leno is his hot coffee jokes, but that was years ago in retroact after I realized the truth of coffee lawsuit
06:19 PM roycroft: i liked joey bishop too
06:19 PM roycroft: but he's not up there with my top four
06:20 PM roycroft: letterman could be kind of an arse
06:20 PM roycroft: well
06:20 PM roycroft: still is
06:20 PM roycroft: he is often, to put it as politely as possible, quite snarky
06:20 PM unterhaus_: earlier letterman that was his schtick, being an ass and embarrassing guests
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: saw a WWII clip with Groucho alibiing lines in some songs
06:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "so throw another cowboy on the fire"
06:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLrrKrrXa_w
06:24 PM roycroft: i used to watch letterman when he came on after carson, but i was a lot younger then
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they are cancelling the Late Late show
06:27 PM roguish[m]1: Dick Cavett was the best.
06:27 PM roycroft: is the best
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I was always a night owl so The Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder was on even later
06:28 PM roycroft: he's still alive and well
06:28 PM roycroft: yeah, i watched that sometimes too
06:29 PM roguish[m]1: ok, my skillet chicken pot pie is in the oven.........
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we used to flip back and forth between channels
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with streams now i can watch European morning shows before bedtime here
06:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i wish there were more Japanese streams
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh https://lolmt2.com/ late night German TV
06:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how often do you come across any new TV shows worth watching? (new = past 5-10 years)
06:48 PM XXCoder: havent seriously watched tv for years now
06:48 PM XXCoder: so no idea whats on tv
07:04 PM CAKESLOB: work was sending things for anodizing last week,
07:05 PM CAKESLOB: since its a lot price, I can slip in my personal parts and it doesnt cost any extra
07:05 PM CAKESLOB: get the parts back today
07:06 PM CAKESLOB: only 1 out of 4 of my parts  made it back
07:06 PM CAKESLOB: and 12 of the parts i machined last week are missing
07:09 PM XXCoder: that sucks
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: the part that did come back looks bitchin though
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cakeslob/upload_things/main/2.jpg
07:20 PM CAKESLOB: too bad its part of an assembly.....
07:21 PM CAKESLOB: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cakeslob/upload_things/main/1.jpg
07:21 PM CAKESLOB: it would have looked like that if i had the other peices
07:25 PM unterhaus_: do you think they just turned the other pieces into sludge?
07:29 PM unterhaus_: if an anodizer sends you back some parts and there are a large number missing, is there an implied message not to ask what happened?
07:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I send a list of every piece along with a picture
07:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's unacceptable to lose that many parts
07:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i bet someone else is wondering why they got extra parts back
07:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CAKESLOB: are you the "cakeslob" from the forums?
07:35 PM unterhaus_: if a program says to restart to install an upgrade, it's a nice touch if it opens the file you were looking at
07:36 PM CAKESLOB: unfortunatly thats me yeah
07:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh
07:38 PM unterhaus_: it would be really weird if other unterhausens showed up
07:38 PM unterhaus_: but I use my real name on the forum
07:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the unterhauser
07:38 PM bjorkintosh: why would they, unterhaus_?
07:39 PM bjorkintosh: they should be under the house by now. sleeping.
07:39 PM unterhaus_: I thought I was the only unterhausen, but I have found others
07:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: any obererhausers?
07:39 PM unterhaus_: and there is a town in germany
07:39 PM bjorkintosh: they're all ober der hause and unter der hause.
07:39 PM unterhaus_: oberhausen is a common name
07:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you fergotin aroun da haus
07:40 PM unterhaus_: the triplets, oberhausen, unterhausen, and leiderhosen
07:41 PM bjorkintosh: some are innen haus even
07:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: how does this differ from the basement?
07:41 PM unterhaus_: it's more of a class status thing
07:41 PM unterhaus_: my real name is basement
07:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: stellar
07:42 PM bjorkintosh: of course. just tschermanized for our discretion.
07:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i can't spell worth a damn in German since i was to uhmericanize it all
07:42 PM unterhaus_: it's weird going into a house in Germany and seeing a door labeled with my name
07:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was/want
07:42 PM unterhaus_: I got into my '60s before I found out my name in French is "cave"
07:43 PM bjorkintosh: Was?!
07:43 PM unterhaus_: was what?
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bjorkintosh: I corectified that statement
07:44 PM bjorkintosh: wow. the frankish word for cellar is cave. I did not know that.
07:45 PM bjorkintosh: so the French and the English allowed the Germans to name their entire populations without raising a finger?!
07:45 PM unterhaus_: The Germans were big on making people take last names when they conquered them
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: until there were no more names
07:45 PM bjorkintosh: ah no doubt to spread the use of umlauts.
07:46 PM unterhaus_: not sure how the brits got into that game
07:46 PM unterhaus_: I have some relatives who's last name means "rioter" in french
07:47 PM bjorkintosh: unterhaus_, no doubt from the settlers from Angeln in the 5th and 6th centuries..
07:47 PM pcw---home: Lcvette: yes "oring" drive alarms makes sense unless you need theme to be individual for diagnostics
07:48 PM unterhaus_: sorry, their name is "looter" in French
07:48 PM bjorkintosh: Plunderer means looter in English as well.
07:49 PM bjorkintosh: I'm sure they came from a long line of fierce takers-of-stuff-without-asking-oh-you-wanna-fight-ers.
07:49 PM unterhaus_: I have always wondered if it got messed up when they came to the U.S.
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vs pillaging
07:50 PM bjorkintosh: Pillage the Village.
07:51 PM unterhaus_: what's bizarre is that someone in George Nakashima's family married one of them, so I'm part Japanese
07:51 PM unterhaus_: ^the famous woodworker
07:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: which part?
07:52 PM unterhaus_: I didn't inherit any talent, unfortunately
07:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't think i know any famous woodworkers
07:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe just the one that made Pinocchio
07:54 PM unterhaus_: My mother in law wanted to get a tv stand made so she went to George Nakashima's studio and asked if they would do it
07:54 PM unterhaus_: she even had his book. That would be cool, but they said no and gave her a referral
07:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: father of the American craft movement
07:59 PM unterhaus_: His daughter is still around, I doubt she would be impressed by my woodwork
08:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: matrix says that there are 668 people in this channel
08:03 PM TurBoss1: sorry some maintenance mode wen't noisy
08:07 PM unterhaus_: I got my portaband today, I just found out there is an entire industry dedicating to make it not be portable
08:07 PM XXCoder: weird
08:08 PM unterhaus_: I want a stand for it, they cost what I paid for the saw
08:11 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:11 PM XXCoder: i guess due to more metal and such
08:13 PM unterhaus_: I don't know, I'm going to draw up a table for it and see what it costs to get it laser cut
08:15 PM XXCoder: might snow here today
08:17 PM unterhaus_: is this discord thing a one time deal?
08:18 PM unterhaus_: it's starting to wear on me a bit
08:19 PM XXCoder: more or less
08:19 PM XXCoder: should be soonish done
08:20 PM XXCoder: 327 discord members so it would be irc + discord when its done
08:25 PM XXCoder: hmm
08:25 PM XXCoder: think its finally done.
08:25 PM TurBoss1: phew
08:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: People 864!
08:34 PM XXCoder: 424 in irc
08:34 PM XXCoder: pretty good percent will leave in 30 days because of 30 day idle limit
08:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how many bots are the bridge from IRC -> matrix?
08:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just 1 ?
08:36 PM TurBoss1: yes
08:36 PM TurBoss1: appservice <--
08:36 PM Tom_L: hope so
08:36 PM XXCoder: i still remember rather rough start to bridging lol
08:37 PM Tom_L: seem worse than the occasional netsplit
08:38 PM XXCoder: wish bot had "dont join unless say something" thing lol
08:57 PM XXCoder: other channel is getting the join spam now
08:57 PM XXCoder: qtpyvcp
08:59 PM xxcoder8265[m]: .
08:59 PM XXCoder: .
09:02 PM TurBoss1: .
09:02 PM Tom_L: o
09:58 PM roycroft: how the hell does one shut down a windows 11 machine?
09:58 PM * roycroft just picked up a new laptop but doesn't know how to turn it off
09:59 PM XXCoder: throw it in trash
09:59 PM XXCoder: done
09:59 PM XXCoder: ;)
09:59 PM roycroft: i bought this to run my vinyl cutter
10:00 PM roycroft: i'd rather not toss it
10:00 PM TurBoss1: alt + F4 :P
10:00 PM roycroft: really?
10:00 PM roycroft: that seems intuitive
10:00 PM roycroft: NOT
10:00 PM roycroft: there used to be a start menu, but i can't find it
10:00 PM XXCoder: isnt it center of screen bottom now?
10:01 PM XXCoder: i remember someone menioning it
10:01 PM roycroft: alt + f4 works
10:01 PM roycroft: thanks
10:01 PM roycroft: i wonder how long it would have taken me to figure that out if i hadn't asked
10:03 PM XXCoder: weird. its just shortcut for close windows
10:03 PM XXCoder: *a window
10:39 PM solarwind: https://pine64.com/product/128mb-ox64-sbc-available-on-december-2-2022/ if anyone is interested
10:49 PM unterhaus_: roycroft, in case you forget, windows key and then the power icon is on the side at the bottom
10:51 PM XXCoder: I am never fan of knowledge-only ui
11:10 PM roycroft: i haven't decided whether i want to dual-boot this laptop or not