#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 08 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:27 AM Deejay: moin
03:08 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning :-)
04:47 AM Tom_L: morning
04:54 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:02 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:00 AM JT-Cave: yippee 2.9 is running on rpi debian 11
08:06 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:45 AM perry_j1987: mornin
08:51 AM unterhaus_: JT-Cave I didn't think there was a problem running 2.9 on rpi on debian 11?
09:00 AM JT-Cave: I ran into a problem getting the rt preempt kernel on the rpi
09:00 AM JT-Cave: so I finally solved that...
09:23 AM skunkworks[m]: Bookworm will be nice.. I have been goofing around with it - but when I install a destop - the screen displays static when moving the mouse around. Have not found a solution. 2 different rpi's
09:24 AM skunkworks[m]: Just a plain install - so nothing to do with linuxcnc. (getting a debian tested bookwork rpi image - then installing xfce or such)
09:26 AM skunkworks[m]: google has failed me
09:26 AM rmu: have similar issue with debian 11
09:27 AM rmu: except it goes away when playing with xrandr remotely
09:33 AM unterhaus_: I haven't noticed that on my pi with 11
09:33 AM unterhaus_: but I have only run it on my older one, not the newer one
09:34 AM unterhaus_: JT there are prerequisites missing for running Qtdragon on 11 with 2.9. I don't know how to get that fixed
09:34 AM unterhaus_: I suppose I could install again and take notes, as much as it pains me
09:35 AM unterhaus_: maybe it's the same on a pc. I am thinking that whatever was missing got installed when I installed probe basic
10:00 AM JT-Shop_ is now known as JT-Shop
10:00 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:02 AM JT-Shop: unterhaus_, I've never even looked at qtdragon...
10:02 AM unterhaus_: it's in the distribution, it should work, just my thought
10:10 AM JT-Shop: everything _should_ work and I'm glad that monster is not mine lol
10:11 AM roguish[m]: unterhaus_: if you have problems with QtDragon, put a post on the forum. the maintainers are rarely here.
10:13 AM JT-Shop: roguish[m], did you email Philip?
10:13 AM unterhaus_: How are dependencies supposed to be listed?
10:13 AM unterhaus_: building from source means you have to figure out the dependencies yourself, I suppose
10:14 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: no I haven't. I really don't want to get rid of the spinx thing, right now....
10:14 AM roguish[m]: I've seen comparable items elsewhere. I'll see if I can find them again.
10:17 AM JT-Shop: ok
10:17 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: so, he wants a pwm to +- voltage device?
10:19 AM JT-Shop: same as the SPINx1 I assume which is a pot replacement IIRC
10:20 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: it's a pwm to analog converter.
10:22 AM unterhaus_: anyone know of a good analog isolation amplifier for my servo amps
10:22 AM unterhaus_: analog is the only thing that isn't isolated
10:27 AM roguish[m]: unterhaus_: don't quite understand what you're looking for. could you be more specific
10:28 AM unterhaus_: the analog inputs to my servo amps are referenced to power ground even though they are differential
10:29 AM unterhaus_: I want to lift the ground. There are isolation amplifiers that use optical somehow
10:29 AM unterhaus_: not particularly interested in the tech as long as they have the bandwidth
10:31 AM roguish[m]: sorry, don't know on that one....
10:34 AM rmu: unterhaus_: what do you mean with "referenced to power ground even though they are differential"?
10:34 AM rmu: not galvanically isolated from power ground?
10:37 AM zephyr9900: broadcom APCL-C87xxxxxx
10:37 AM zephyr9900: i mean ACPL
10:39 AM unterhausen: zephyr, hoping to find a breakout board
10:39 AM unterhausen: rmu the schematic shows the input amplifier connected to analog ground
10:40 AM rmu: unterhausen: that is hardly surprising
10:40 AM unterhausen: which connected to power ground low-impedance
10:40 AM rmu: also not really surprising
10:40 AM unterhausen: they don't say what the max voltage differential should be
10:41 AM rmu: ?? usually you have +-10V
10:41 AM unterhausen: I prefer to power my mesa with an supply that is isolated from power ground
10:42 AM unterhausen: the differential voltage isn't a problem, but it's 10v +/- plus the difference in ground potential
10:43 AM unterhausen: with something like a power 1 power supply, I have measured 120v from ground on the negative supply
10:48 AM rmu: unterhausen: sure you are not measuring some filter capacitance?
10:49 AM rmu: measuring voltages with voltmeter can be deceiving
10:50 AM rmu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_filter
10:52 AM unterhausen: it might take it, I'd rather not experiment.
10:53 AM unterhausen: had enough failures with this machine already
10:54 AM rmu: ??
10:54 AM zephyr9900: unterhausen if you insist on letting the power supply float you could connect the output - to ground through a larger capacitor. There will always be parasitic capacitance in the PS or input filters that can cause the output to float up to some potential.
10:56 AM unterhausen: I'll have to see what PCW says, he has mentioned this issue, said don't buy cheap servo drives
10:56 AM unterhausen: OTOH, these were quite expensive when new
10:57 AM unterhausen: there is a max voltage listed for the mesa board, but I'm not sure how to guarantee it
10:57 AM rmu: switch mode power supplies often have Y-type capacitance between line side and output, so output can "look" like it is on high potential, but that voltage can't really deliver any current
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10:58 AM rmu: so it may fool your voltage meter, but it is only good for a couple 100µA at most
10:58 AM Tom_L: JT[m]1, hope you can keep track of em
10:59 AM unterhausen: I don't have any idea how many Jules either side is good for
11:00 AM rmu: unterhausen: you could try 100kOhm resistor
11:01 AM rmu: your analog differential input should have a ground terminal, that should be connected to mesa analog ground
11:02 AM zephyr9900: rmu yes you are correct. I have designed many off line SMPSs for embedded industrial use.
11:02 AM unterhausen: I suppose I could try it, it's only money
11:03 AM JT-Shop: rainy cold day so a nap is required for safety
11:04 AM unterhausen: I have to look at the mesa daughter card to see if I can bypass the filtering and feed the output directly to an isolated pwm to analog circuit
11:05 AM pcw--home: What daughtercard?
11:09 AM pcw--home: Often with differential input motor drives, the common mode is frame GND anyway
11:10 AM rmu: unterhausen: assuming your servo amp is not defective and a professionally-designed product with CE and UL markings it is hard to imagine that analog ground is on a potential like 120V above PE.
11:12 AM pcw--home: Yeah other than those cheap SCR drives, that pretty much unheard of
11:12 AM pcw--home: (and dangerous)
11:16 AM Lcvette[m]: pcw--home: is there a way to create a pin file from a bitfile?
11:16 AM Tom_L: you have to load the file then -readhmid
11:17 AM Lcvette[m]: trying to update my configs for 2.9 and I only have the bitfile you modified for the pwm and swap port
11:18 AM Lcvette[m]: can it be done from dev with no mesa connected?
11:18 AM Tom_L: not that i know of
11:18 AM Lcvette[m]: trying to do this while not at the shop
11:18 AM JT-Cave: the board has to be plugged in to read the hmid
11:18 AM Lcvette[m]: ok
11:18 AM JT-Cave: mesact can do it if you have the board plugged in
11:19 AM JT-Cave: and it's really time for a nap now
11:19 AM Lcvette[m]: lol
11:19 AM Lcvette[m]: i agree
11:58 AM unterhausen: pcw--home i have a 7i48 being fed by an isolated 5v supply. If I tie the analog ground on the 7i48 to the analog ground on the drive, am I going to cause myself any problems?
12:19 PM Lcvette[m]: is mesact functional?
12:19 PM Lcvette[m]: beyond the mesa read?
12:20 PM Lcvette[m]: i was able to read but it seems not to let me select anything else regarding daughter cards
12:21 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (27KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/XWtQhsSKDEUeoarosXIShDUl/image.png >
12:24 PM unterhausen: I got it to work yesterday for my boards, I didn't fully explore all the options
12:25 PM unterhausen: it did spit out an error, but it worked
12:25 PM unterhausen: it never said it was done building config files. And then there was something about not releasing the clipboard
12:26 PM unterhausen: but I got working files out or it
12:26 PM Lcvette[m]: did it show your daughter cards anywhere?
12:26 PM JT-Cave: Lcvette[m], yes vary functional
12:26 PM unterhausen: I only have a smart serial card
12:26 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: thought it was naptime\
12:26 PM Lcvette[m]: 😲
12:26 PM pcw--home: unterhausen:No but you should return the drive analog common to frame ground at some point
12:27 PM unterhausen: pcw--home, to be clear I can hook the analog ground on the 7i48 to the analog ground on the drive?
12:28 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: i cannot get past the machine tab page
12:28 PM pcw--home: Yes, and that analog ground should have a path to frame ground
12:28 PM Lcvette[m]: Boards like 5i25/6i25, 7i80, 7i92, 7i93, 7i98 to enable the Axes Tab and the I/O Tab you need to select a firmware then select a daughter card.
12:28 PM Lcvette[m]: cannot get the daughter card drop downs to populate
12:29 PM pcw--home: floating is not safe
12:33 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Cave: whats the secret to getting past the first page?
12:40 PM JT-Shop: first page of?
12:40 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (117KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/KtGYPQZBivmTQUpPbBIPksig/image.png >
12:41 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Shop: the machine tab
12:42 PM JT-Shop: download the latest version
12:42 PM JT-Shop: 1.2.3
12:42 PM Lcvette[m]: ok
12:43 PM JT-Shop: so for a 7i92 you have to select a firmware to get a daughter card which will enable the axes tab
12:44 PM * JT[m]1 uploaded an image: (291KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/TGZSUMMnHOWPABvFBLyedzAg/20230208_124339.jpg >
12:45 PM Lcvette[m]: ok trying now
12:46 PM JT-Shop: ok
12:47 PM Lcvette[m]: no firmware shown in the dropdown,
12:47 PM Lcvette[m]: i created the folder in .local/lib/libmesact
12:47 PM Lcvette[m]: and added firmware there
12:47 PM JT[m]1: You have to download the firmware for your d
12:47 PM JT[m]1: Board
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12:48 PM unterhausen: you can't tell what firmware is currently on the board?
12:48 PM Lcvette[m]: sure, i can read it fine
12:49 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (11KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/kvXvgqvRpRoXpdVxltnefgqE/image.png >
12:49 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (41KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/EmDfITHyejvkGWFKHPmurubF/image.png >
12:49 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (41KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/uuNGXMPmcsxbkONQquxJVbjO/image.png >
12:49 PM unterhausen: I looked through those and was happy with them, but I'm not sure what firmware is on my board
12:49 PM Lcvette[m]: but i cannot get the drop down to do anything for the firmware selection
12:49 PM JT-Woodshop: I had to remove the firmware so mesact can go into Debian
12:50 PM JT-Woodshop: do you have mesaflash installed?
12:50 PM JT-Woodshop: hmm that might be a catch-22 situation that needs to be fixed
12:50 PM Lcvette[m]: yes
12:50 PM * Lcvette[m] sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/97916c691a9b055160a50bef65e67dc464355649
12:51 PM Lcvette[m]: i have the foirmware downloaded from mesa electronics
12:51 PM Lcvette[m]: and added to the missing file error message folder i created to get mesact to run
12:51 PM Lcvette[m]: my firmware is custom from PCW
12:52 PM Lcvette[m]: for the coolant cannon... pew pew pew
12:52 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
12:53 PM unterhausen: pew pew pew is only for lasers, I think
12:53 PM JT-Woodshop: lol
12:53 PM * JT-Woodshop has to run to town for a bit
12:54 PM * Lcvette[m] uploaded an image: (222KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/XxFTcaXAzThketHTPbkoBMxm/IMG_20230208_135318403_HDR.jpg >
12:54 PM JT-Woodshop: I wonder if it would be easier for a user to just have a list of daughter cards and not force firmware?
12:55 PM JT[m]1: Cool
12:55 PM Lcvette[m]: would that be problematic for those like me with custom firmware?
12:55 PM Lcvette[m]: mine has a port swap
12:56 PM Lcvette[m]: to work with the 7i76 and 7i77 connected different than normal maybe, can't remember, its been years
01:04 PM * Lcvette[m] posted a file: (333KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/bVlLKBZHuMDJmoCpWRARxThg/7i92_7i77_7i762pd.bit >
01:04 PM * Lcvette[m] posted a file: (5KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/djpTKsfwnRvpJpDfoooMyRai/7i92_7i77_7i762pd.pin >
01:05 PM Lcvette[m]: there is the firmware, not sure if you could take a look and see if its my firmware causing the issue
01:19 PM Lcvette[m]: ok update, i downloaded the firmware from the menubar and added my firmware to it and now it shows up in the drop down, but i still cannot select the daughter cards in the configurationn setup
01:20 PM Lcvette[m]: if i select a stock firmware, the option becomes available
01:21 PM Lcvette[m]: No description file found
01:21 PM Lcvette[m]: for 7i92_7i77_7i762pd.bit
01:24 PM JT[m]1: I need to change that
01:24 PM Lcvette[m]: is there a test you would like me to try?
01:25 PM JT[m]1: Driving atm
01:25 PM Lcvette[m]: 😲
01:25 PM Lcvette[m]: eyes onthe road
01:28 PM JT[m]1: Type at stop lights
01:28 PM Lcvette[m]: In the vette? Stop lights are known as staging lanes... 🤣
01:29 PM JT[m]1: Truck
01:30 PM JT[m]1: I'm up grading the C5 by 3
01:30 PM Lcvette[m]: C8
01:30 PM Lcvette[m]: Nice
01:41 PM JT[m]1: Find out tomorrow if I can order it
01:51 PM Lcvette[m]: thats awesome! they are beautiful cars!🙌
01:54 PM travis_farmer[m]: there, another working day done :-) i have a little bit tomorrow, and then i can go back to my machine. thanks so very much PCW, i am very grateful! i hope to check the firmware tomorrow after work. :-)
02:08 PM JT-Woodshop: you got the 7i44 working?
02:09 PM travis_farmer[m]: not yet, "i hope to check the firmware tomorrow after work." ;-) i hope to check tomorrow. :-)
02:10 PM JT-Woodshop: got a link to the firmware?
02:11 PM JT-Woodshop: Lcvette[m], I can see that restricting the daughter cards to firmware is not a good idea and will change that
02:11 PM travis_farmer[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/48180-looking-for-firmware-for-a-7i80hd-16-25-for-sserial-x8-7i44-with-stepgens#263996
02:12 PM Lcvette[m]: JT-Woodshop: ok cool
02:13 PM Lcvette[m]: i wa sjust cloning the mesact repo to take a look at how it all fit together
02:13 PM Lcvette[m]: 😄
02:13 PM JT-Woodshop: at first I thought it was a good idea but no so much now
02:14 PM Lcvette[m]: it could be so long as the firmware and the drop downs had a way of configuring availability
02:14 PM JT-Woodshop: travis_farmer[m], I'll look at the firmware in a bit when I go inside
02:14 PM JT-Woodshop: that was the original idea but it gets complicated
02:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: ok :-)
02:15 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm thinking of just limiting daughter cards to either 50 pin or db25 based on the main board
02:15 PM JT-Woodshop: and how many expansion slots up to 2
02:16 PM Lcvette[m]: would there be a way to add to the firmware file the recipe to configure the tool correctly?
02:16 PM spray[m]: Hello,
02:16 PM spray[m]: I have ess with mach3/4. I just thought i would give it a try to test linuxcnc as well. Can you recommend the mesa card to start with? I have delta asd-b2 servo drives and dual axis gantry machine. Nothing fancy
02:17 PM Lcvette[m]: how are you wanting to control the dirves?
02:18 PM spray[m]: I use step dir for my current setup, but i understand I can do analog control with encoder feedback back to linuxcnc controller
02:19 PM Lcvette[m]: you can do that and also step direction with feedback, although that can be a bit finicky
02:19 PM JT-Woodshop: currently a 7i92TM and 7i77 will do analog with encoder feedback
02:20 PM spray[m]: Also there are network and pci mesa cards and I was wondering if pci cards are any better in terms of latency
02:21 PM Lcvette[m]: if you just want the simplest solution, probably a 7i76e but backordered, that would be step direction open loop, or as JT mentoned above for analog 7i92tm and 7i77
02:21 PM JT-Woodshop: pci(e) are currently unavailable due to chip issues
02:21 PM Lcvette[m]: they used to be, but eveyrthing is moving towards ethernet
02:23 PM Lcvette[m]: you would probably soon find it difficult to continue getting well maintained modern rtai kernels that took advantage of that
02:23 PM spray[m]: Allright
02:24 PM Lcvette[m]: on the preempt rt kernels since things are moving towards ethernet, they should have better maintenance and i wold imagine the latency will get better as time goes on
02:24 PM spray[m]: And overall: is linuxcnc far superior compared to mach3/4 with ethernet smoothstepper?
02:24 PM Lcvette[m]: has its pluses and minuses
02:24 PM spray[m]: Lets say what are the difference in latency?
02:25 PM spray[m]: s/are/is/
02:25 PM Lcvette[m]: nach buffers and is not realtime so not really any comparison there
02:25 PM Lcvette[m]: but that is also a plus in regards to trajectory planning and jerk
02:26 PM Lcvette[m]: well not really a plus, because you lose realtime functionality sich as feed override and reliable feedhold
02:26 PM spray[m]: I know mach has to finish some block and then it holds feed
02:26 PM Lcvette[m]: but the motion can be smoother since it is not using realtime lookahead to adjust the trajectory
02:27 PM Lcvette[m]: mach plans on a set of predefined parameters and off it goes
02:28 PM Lcvette[m]: linuxcnc has to follow strict rules regarding velocity,acceleration and deceleration in order to be able to adjust on the fly without getting off track
02:29 PM spray[m]: I see
02:30 PM rmu: you don't need RTAI kernels for mesa pci cards AFAIK
02:30 PM spray[m]: And is any good to try with raspberry pi? I mean if there is any shield usable for cnc
02:30 PM Lcvette[m]: there is some experimental trajectory planners being works on that use a non realtime method
02:31 PM Lcvette[m]: i have not, but others have
02:31 PM Lcvette[m]: rpi is currently not good for using some of the more modern user interfaces as the opengl compatibility isn't there yet
02:31 PM Lcvette[m]: so should factor in to what you would be interested in using
02:33 PM Lcvette[m]: i know qtpyvcp which i work on is one that does not yet have great compatibility with rpi
02:34 PM Lcvette[m]: but i think qtvcp does, however there some issues with the latest lcnc version and debian version that may force a change to a newer backplotter software
02:34 PM Lcvette[m]: and then it could be a while before that happens
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: in the meantime, the vtk backplotter software is currently compatible with the latest which is what qtpyvcp runs
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: but isn't compatible with rpi
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: got all that?
02:35 PM Lcvette[m]: lol
02:35 PM rmu: get a cheap second hand thin client PC
02:48 PM spray[m]: thank you for exhausting answer. I appreciate it
02:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: IMHO if you're going to spend time on ARM at least pick a board with a future
02:48 PM spray[m]: So I stay away from rpi and i might get some mesa card
02:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://wiki.radxa.com/Rock5/hardware/5b
03:05 PM JT-Woodshop: spray[m], try and pick a pc with an intel NIC
03:12 PM unterhausen: all the small dells I have bought recently had intel nic
03:13 PM unterhausen: but they are all about 4 years old
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03:40 PM Tom_L: soo colorful but confusing
03:40 PM JT-Woodshop: lol
03:40 PM JT-Woodshop: it will make sense after the next step I think
03:40 PM Tom_L: i get where you're headed with it
03:42 PM andypugh_: My lock patent was published today: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search?q=pn%3DGB2609492A
03:43 PM JT-Woodshop: sweet
03:47 PM rmu: andypugh_: can you explain for non-experts what is your invention, preferrably in non-patentese?
03:48 PM JT-Woodshop: there's a video showing the lock
03:48 PM andypugh_: https://youtu.be/WqjB0saouNY
03:53 PM rmu: ok. interesting. is it possible to bump-key this lock?
03:53 PM andypugh_: No, as by the time you engage the second cylinder the stacks will have re-formed.
03:58 PM rmu: is somebody going to manufacture such locks?
03:59 PM Tom_L: andypugh_, awesome!
03:59 PM rmu: yes looks awesome.
03:59 PM andypugh_: I have so far failed to pique the interest of any manufacturer
04:00 PM andypugh_: I could consider making a run of them via Kickstarter aimed at lock-nerds.
04:00 PM Tom_L: what did you use for the animation?
04:01 PM andypugh_: I already had the model in Fusion, so it was done with the Fusion animator.
04:01 PM Tom_L: nice
04:01 PM rmu: hehe. lock nerds. sportsfreunde der sperrtechnik ev and TOOOL?
04:01 PM andypugh_: Yeah, I took it to LockCon in NL.
04:02 PM rmu: if something exists or is at least imaginable, there are nerds fetishizing it ;)
04:04 PM andypugh_: I challenged Oliver Diedrichsen and he gave me a copy of a book instead. https://www.zieh-fix.com/en/training-and-material/buch-stasi-secret-service-tools-o-diederichsen.html
04:04 PM andypugh_: So I am thinking that he knew he would fail :-)
04:05 PM Tom_L: heh
04:05 PM andypugh_: That’s rather the problem, I think all the pickers know it’s going to be a frustrating grind.
04:06 PM andypugh_: Pick it all 7000 ways, and it will open…
04:38 PM JT-Woodshop: https://lescartespostalessonores.bandcamp.com/track/ra-ngol-ra-hang
04:46 PM roycroft: i have an oxy-acetylene torch
04:46 PM roycroft: a little awkward to lug around, and rather conspicuous
04:46 PM roycroft: but i bet i could compromise your lock with it
04:46 PM skunkworks[m]: plasma would probably do it too.. Or even a battery powered dremel...
04:47 PM roycroft: or maybe a big "laser"
04:47 PM skunkworks[m]: more portable..
04:47 PM roycroft: a phaser would totally disintegrate it
04:47 PM roycroft: and those things fit your pocket
04:47 PM roycroft: they're only star-fleet issue, though, so i guess you'd have to join up to get one
04:47 PM travis_farmer[m]: photon torpedo
04:48 PM skunkworks[m]: The neighbor had a lock on their outside shed.. lost the key - I said I could take care of it. Came over with a dremel and a cut off wheel. They decided that they probably didn't have to lock it anymore..
04:48 PM roycroft: locks keep honest people honest
04:48 PM roycroft: and there's something to be said for that
04:48 PM bjorkintosh: and the lock pick lawyer famous.
04:48 PM roycroft: as most people are fundamentally honest
04:49 PM bjorkintosh: roycroft, I've come to appreciate the fact that honesty is a peace time privilege. and I love it.
04:49 PM * travis_farmer[m] never lies :-)
04:49 PM skunkworks[m]: exactly
04:49 PM roycroft: and also susceptible to temptation
04:52 PM roycroft: ballots are due back for our special election on the 18th
04:52 PM roycroft: today is the deadline for people to be sent replacement ballots
04:52 PM bjorkintosh: election of what?
04:53 PM roycroft: i set a deadline of 3pm to request replacements so that i would have time to prepare them and mail them today
04:53 PM roycroft: it's for removal of a director of the non-profit for which i'm a board officer
04:53 PM roycroft: anyway, i got two requests this morning for replacements
04:53 PM roycroft: they are ready to go
04:54 PM roycroft: i expect that, as is always the case, i'll get quite a few requests/demands after 3pm
04:54 PM roycroft: i've been telling people for weeks what the deadline is
04:54 PM bjorkintosh: roycroft, is this a secret organization or the worshipful company of open source CNC drivers?
04:54 PM roycroft: i think some people's brains are wired to translate "absolutele deadline" to "earliest time to request"
04:55 PM roycroft: it's a big annual hippie festival
04:55 PM bjorkintosh: ah.
04:56 PM roycroft: which helps explain why people think that "deadline" means something different to what it actually means
04:56 PM roycroft: and then get angry and threatening when they miss the deadline but still want to vote
04:57 PM roycroft: i got a good one the other day
04:57 PM bjorkintosh: ah. give them a dead line and a dead last line! one a week before the dead last day!
04:58 PM roycroft: the person emailed me and said "i marked ballot, and then i changed my mind and marked the other box, and then i mailed it and i forgot if i initialed or made a note on it which one i wanted, and then the dog ate part of it"
04:58 PM roycroft: and they emailed me this story right after i received a ballot that had been chewed on by a dog
04:58 PM roycroft: i sent them a replacement and asked them to keep it away from the dog
04:59 PM roycroft: that's the first time that story has ever worked with me, but i had the evidence in my hand
05:00 PM roycroft: i did look in our bylaws and there was no mention of invalidating a ballot if it had been eaten by a dog
05:00 PM bjorkintosh: dogs love homework
05:00 PM roycroft: allegedly
05:02 PM roycroft: ok, it's past the deadline
05:02 PM * roycroft prepares for an influx of emails
05:09 PM Tom_L: roycroft, you should set a 'deadline' a week before the real one
05:09 PM bjorkintosh: <bjorkintosh> ah. give them a dead line and a dead last line! one a week before the dead last day!
05:09 PM bjorkintosh: the votes are in for a week before the deadline :-)
05:09 PM Tom_L: didn't see that ...
05:09 PM bjorkintosh: no it's good. concensus of non voting non affiliates!
05:10 PM Tom_L: great minds...
05:10 PM bjorkintosh: ... repeat the same facts. Yes!
05:16 PM JT-Cave: travis_farmer[m], your firmware is servo on p1, stepper on p2 and smart serial on p3
05:17 PM JT-Cave: use a goat
05:25 PM Tom_L: that seemed random
05:25 PM Tom_L: any word on the blue toy?
05:26 PM JT-Cave: find out tomorrow if they can order one or not
05:27 PM JT-Cave: in a mash episode they used a goat to eat some paper work to prove the goat ate the payroll
05:27 PM Tom_L: i must have forgotten that one
05:29 PM JT-Cave: damn nasty rainy day here today and still raining
05:29 PM JT-Cave: https://radar.weather.gov/station/kpah/standard
05:29 PM Tom_L: started sprinkling here a bit
05:31 PM JT-Cave: I think all the hens are inside but it's raining hard again...
05:33 PM Lcvette[m]: lawns mowed!
05:33 PM Lcvette[m]: phwew
05:33 PM JT-Cave: I have a lake
05:33 PM JT-Cave: must be dark thirty at your house Lcvette[m]
05:33 PM roycroft: i haven't mowed since november
05:33 PM XXCoder: in least its not "im swimming in my room"
05:33 PM roycroft: it's going to be sunny and dry all weekend
05:34 PM roycroft: i should spend some time doing yard work
05:34 PM JT-Cave: I built the house above the high water mark :)
05:34 PM XXCoder: :D
05:35 PM JT-Cave: I used to hate mowing in La Place the grass grew like weeds year round
05:35 PM XXCoder: its fall and spring activity here basically
05:35 PM XXCoder: brown in summer, winter it doesnt grow
05:35 PM JT-Cave: the grass was thick all year
05:35 PM XXCoder: i dont water yard. ever
05:37 PM unterhausen: I would never water the yard, it just encourages it to grow
05:37 PM JT-Cave: roycroft, I ordered an easy tools chuck
05:37 PM XXCoder: lol
05:38 PM JT-Cave: mix some roundup in the gas
05:45 PM Lcvette[m]: is mesaflash 3.4.6 only available on bookworm?
05:45 PM JT-Cave: you can clone and build the latest mesaflash from the repo
05:46 PM JT-Cave: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/mesaflash
05:47 PM JT-Cave: I see 3.4.6 on debian 13
05:49 PM * JT-Cave bites the bullet and goes out in the downpour to lock up the hens
05:50 PM Lcvette[m]: ok, just tried that and it is still on 3.4.2
06:11 PM cakeslob: generally I can accept that Im usually persona non grata...
06:11 PM cakeslob: but an ip ban on the forums seems excessive... my computer wasnt even turned on today until now
06:14 PM roycroft: it was likely not you
06:14 PM roycroft: it's an overzealous ban of a netblock
06:15 PM roycroft: your net neighbor was abusive and you get to pay the price
06:15 PM cakeslob: i figured rangeban but im not in a huge range
10:30 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
11:00 PM Lcvette[m]: pcw--home: I just saw in a thread that updated firmware is required for homing to index on stepgen systems being run in non feedback mode (which is what my system is), is there a wire up of how to do this? I've searched for hours now on this and have not found anything to fully detail the requirements.
11:01 PM Lcvette[m]: * a thread regarding home to index pulse, that updated
11:12 PM Lcvette[m]: I sent an email to see if you could perhaps update my formate for this functionality
11:26 PM pcw---home: Yes, there is stepgen firmware that mimics encoder index behavior
11:37 PM mrec: your hardware is really nice but I should have paid attention that I need several encoders
11:37 PM mrec: so I need a customized expansion board plus custom firmware ... and my time is already fully occupied unfortunately
11:42 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:45 PM travis_farmer[m]: JT-Cave: thanks for checking for me. :-) i must say though, the comment about the goat is a little confusing... oh, wait, it was toward something else. anyway, thanks.