#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 01 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:56 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:27 AM solarwind: pcw-home take a look at this: https://www.asix.com.tw/en/product/Interface/PCIe_Bridge/AX99100 it's an alternative to PCIe <-> PCI bridge. It can do PCIe <-> RS232, parallel port, SPI, high speed UART, high speed 16 bit parallel bus
07:28 AM solarwind: And I discovered that you can find millions of PCIe <-> RS232/parallel port bridges on Amazon using this chip for like $10-$15 USD. Best of all, most of the pins are routed through the same pins used by its parallel port mode and the boards have jumpers to configure which mode the port behaves in
07:29 AM solarwind: So you can use it as a way to hook up a microcontroller to PCIe using high speed SPI or 16 bit parallel bus by setting the right jumpers on the board
07:29 AM solarwind: super versatile chip
07:30 AM solarwind: and very cheap and easy to implement as well. But if you already have a working PCIe <-> PCI bridge solution, I guess there isn't much value in exploring this option
07:35 AM unterhausen: the local 3d printing metal powder place is on fire. Seems like that could get bad
07:39 AM CloudEvil: :/
07:41 AM bjorkintosh: you have a local 3d metal powder place??
07:42 AM jpa-: they're not that rare nowadays
07:42 AM jpa-: doesn't mean it is cheap enough to use :D
07:44 AM bjorkintosh: or have in one's garage, disused.
07:47 AM unterhausen: there are a lot of industrial 3d printing related businesses around here. Not sure if it's related to the university or if it's just because everyone that lives near here can read
07:47 AM piranha32[m]: Sewing machine servo motor will be a bit cheaper, but they have crappy VFDs (should be ok for a lathe, though)
07:48 AM unterhausen: there is a laser company next to the powder company
07:48 AM bjorkintosh: laser cutters?
07:48 AM bjorkintosh: or laser shooters?
07:48 AM unterhausen: I didn't think to look them up
07:50 AM unterhausen: the laser company makes laser cladding devices. Like spray welding with lasers
07:51 AM unterhausen: so if they need powder, they can go next door
07:53 AM * travis_farmer[m] has splurged on some mesa hardware for a side project...
07:53 AM unterhausen: surprisingly, no streetview car has been down their road
07:54 AM CloudEvil: unterhausen: They have - just the LASERs make them mysteriously not work
07:56 AM unterhausen: there is also a bbq place on that street, maybe they stopped for a 3 martini lunch and forgot to turn the sensors back on
08:02 AM randy: travis_farmer[m]: any news about your broken servos?
08:02 AM travis_farmer[m]: my what?
08:03 AM randy: i thought you had some broken motors?
08:03 AM randy: maybe another one here in the chan, sorry
08:03 AM travis_farmer[m]: not that i am aware of...
08:07 AM randy: TurBoss: any news about your broken servos?
08:07 AM randy: ... :)
08:08 AM TurBoss: randy: hello! , no... 🤦 i need to buy thoose resistors
08:08 AM randy: kk.
08:08 AM TurBoss: I just mounted the old steppers meanwhile 🙂
08:10 AM TurBoss: but the resistor has a suspicious spiral lines that looks like they shoundt be visible so they must be broken
08:10 AM TurBoss: my multimeter is readin wierd must be the cold
08:11 AM randy: you can check them with the diode test setting.
08:11 AM randy: since they are < 0,1 ohm
08:30 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] identified the drive OEM and model as MZ860 https://www.zzservo.com/sfqdq/
08:32 AM travis_farmer[m]: mainly the reason for the project, is that the spindle is ready to change tools, so other than tidying up some wires, and solid mounting some sensors with materials i don't yet have an idea for, all i can think of to work on is finding a spoilboard to mount on the machine table. so i decided that the time is correct for starting the rack changer, and the control panel. those can be worked on while i use the machine, and while i wait
08:32 AM travis_farmer[m]: for spring so i can finish my new shop.
08:36 AM solarwind: has an STM32F407 chip
08:37 AM solarwind: I'm surprised the labels haven't been scratched off
08:40 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:14 AM c101horse8332[m]: well, it did something, but its not working yet
10:14 AM FranseFrikandel1: Do you have a new error though?
10:15 AM * travis_farmer[m] tosses some Tyson chicken tenders in the oven for lunch...
10:19 AM c101horse8332[m]: Working on getting that here
10:20 AM * c101horse8332[m] posted a file: (45KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/nrPIKRIeEPhZmokBwFAOeJYC/message.txt >
10:21 AM c101horse8332[m]: thats the latest error report
10:22 AM skunkworks[m]: I use one of these..
10:22 AM skunkworks[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125464107090
10:24 AM roycroft: a slide rule!
10:24 AM roycroft: how old school of you
10:32 AM JT-Woodshop: c101horse8332[m], TurBoss is the only one here that can help with probe complicated
10:33 AM TurBoss: lol
10:33 AM TurBoss: hello
10:34 AM JT-Woodshop: and if by magic TurBoss appears :)
10:34 AM roycroft: the tiny capsule of cesium-137 that literally fell off the back of a truck in the middle of nowhere in western australia has been found
10:35 AM TurBoss8676[m]: 6*8mm
10:35 AM TurBoss8676[m]: lol
10:35 AM roycroft: yes
10:35 AM CloudEvil: Next to the 1800m tall kangaroo
10:35 AM roycroft: really tiny
10:35 AM roycroft: but still lethal
10:55 AM unterhaus_: seems like the main problem in that error file is no opengl
10:56 AM c101horse8332[m]: what would be the fix for that?
10:58 AM unterhaus_: it's on a Pi, right?
10:58 AM c101horse8332[m]: correct
10:58 AM unterhaus_: I think you want to install mesa
10:58 AM FranseFrikandel1: Nah, a whole bunch earlier there's an error that python cant find a file in the conversational gcode library
10:59 AM c101horse8332[m]: how what where
11:02 AM FranseFrikandel1: It's not related to the LinuxCNC mesa hardware, it's a graphics driver. Depends on the OS but I imagine it should be available in the package manager?
11:03 AM FranseFrikandel1: But from what I can see it would seem base_ops.py is missing in /home/koen/qtpyvcp.conversational-gcode/qtpyvcp_conversational_gcode/ops/
11:03 AM FranseFrikandel1: s/base_ops/base_op/, s///`//, s////`/
11:04 AM unterhaus_: if noting else, he needs opengl to get rid of all those errors about alpha
11:04 AM unterhaus_: and I don't think it will run without it
11:05 AM unterhaus_: anyway, the opengl library is called mesa just to confuse linuxcnc users
11:05 AM unterhaus_: not really the qtpypvc people's problem
11:06 AM unterhaus_: does the system work with Axis?
11:07 AM JT-Shop: freaking viasat is trying to charge me for not sending the modem back
11:07 AM travis_farmer[m]: rented modem, i take it?
11:08 AM JT-Shop: viasat sat
11:08 AM JT-Shop: I canceled the service in october
11:09 AM JT-Shop: thanks for the order, FYI I'm iced in today but hope to get out tomorrow
11:09 AM travis_farmer[m]: not a problem :)
11:17 AM c101horse8332[m]: the axis sim works yes
11:18 AM JT-Shop: looks like I'll have to contest that charge at the bank
11:19 AM roycroft: comcast did that to me years ago, when i moved down from bellingham to eugene
11:19 AM roycroft: they even sent me to collections for the cost of the cablemodem
11:20 AM roycroft: but they had to eat crow when i produced the receipt for having returned it
11:20 AM roycroft: i think cable companies automatically charge people for equipment when they terminate service, whether it's been returned or ont
11:20 AM roycroft: not
11:21 AM roycroft: i'd guess that many folks don't keep their receipts, or can't find them, and just pay rather than fight the charge
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11:27 AM JT-Shop: if I didn't return anything the charge was $300 but the box actually weighted more than the 10 pounds they paid for so nothing was missing for sure
11:40 AM * c101horse8332[m] posted a file: (10KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/FNAZWZLXMGWgSJJuoCeLbAkw/message.txt >
11:40 AM c101horse8332[m]: my errors are becoming less
11:41 AM c101horse8332[m]: i think the mesa helped some
11:42 AM JT-Woodshop: importlib.metadata.PackageNotFoundError: probe-basic
11:43 AM c101horse8332[m]: is it telling me i dont have probe basic installed?
11:45 AM JT-Woodshop: that's what it sounds like
11:46 AM JT-Woodshop: start at traceback to see the whole error
12:01 PM c101horse8332[m]: ok, question how do i remove the probe basic thing completely? ill try and start over on that one as per turboss' instructions from yesterday
12:02 PM JT-Woodshop: if it's installed in ~.local just delete it and ~ means users home directory
12:02 PM JT-Woodshop: ~/.local
12:03 PM c101horse8332[m]: delete and yeet
12:04 PM Tarehjerne[m]: I have a question about linux cnc and M codes.
12:04 PM Tarehjerne[m]: How would i set up say a logic module to interfere with the linux cnc mcodes?
12:04 PM Tarehjerne[m]: https://no.rs-online.com/web/p/plcs-programmable-logic-controllers/4684466?cm_mmc=NO-PLA-DS3A-_-google-_-CSS_NO_NO_Automation_%26_Control_Gear_Whoop-_-(NO:Whoop!)+PLCs+-+Programmable+Logic+Controllers-_-4684466&matchtype=&pla-338391465096&gclid=CjwKCAiAuOieBhAIEiwAgjCvclA7Su3PCnHL6dAoYxzjc8nYo7riZCKADGrzQeCsHcwStiz2JBiwBhoCQjAQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
12:04 PM Tarehjerne[m]: I want to turn on and off the coolant, air (For ATC), chip conveyor, and other parts of the machine
12:05 PM JT-Woodshop: do you have any outputs on your driver card?
12:06 PM Tarehjerne[m]: I have one card, a mesa 7i95
12:06 PM Tarehjerne[m]: Can buy and if needed
12:06 PM Tarehjerne[m]: s/and/any/
12:07 PM JT-Woodshop: you could use digital outputs to turn on and off the outputs from G code
12:07 PM Tarehjerne[m]: Eeeh that seems suboptimal
12:07 PM c101horse8332[m]: i might be an actual idiot, having the wifi turned on may help when trying to get the thing to do the thing from github
12:22 PM c101horse8332[m]: im getting less and less errors
12:22 PM * c101horse8332[m] posted a file: (5KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/RwMwDKRgyNitZGmUyKKwlARo/message.txt >
12:28 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: No network connection to the mesa card.
12:30 PM JT-Woodshop: hm2_eth: ERROR: Could not retrieve hardware address (MAC) of 10.10.10.10: Resource temporarily unavailable
12:30 PM c101horse8332[m]: yeah nevermind, its whining about parser colors or something again
12:31 PM c101horse8332[m]: but yeah its back to giving errors about colors or something
12:39 PM unterhaus_: post your error file again
12:40 PM c101horse8332[m]: back in 2 mins
12:52 PM * c101horse8332[m] posted a file: (45KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/gZihjCznoeOEEaqAaEtEZKLO/message.txt >
12:54 PM c101horse8332[m]: okay, maybe a few more than 2
01:10 PM unterhaus_: the opengl error is back
01:12 PM c101horse8332[m]: yeah, so how do i get rid of that
01:13 PM c101horse8332[m]: i do think i have that mesa stuff you talked about installed
01:21 PM unterhaus_: are you running debian?
01:22 PM unterhaus_: what does this return? glxinfo | grep OpenGL
01:24 PM unterhaus_: interested in what it says about the core profile version
01:24 PM c101horse8332[m]: not sure on what im running tbh
01:24 PM c101horse8332[m]: where and how do i put this?
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01:28 PM c101horse8332[m]: This is the bit your interested in?
01:47 PM XXCoder: JT-Woodshop: nice indeed.
01:49 PM travis_farmer[m]: Yes, JT! very nice bowl! (chat scrolled by so fast i must have missed it) :-)
01:56 PM JT-Woodshop: thanks
02:03 PM unterhaus_: I don't understand why it reports version 2.1, I'm pretty sure that version of mesa can do higher versions
02:04 PM unterhaus_: apparently you can set an enviornment variable
02:22 PM unterhaus_: c101horse where did you get the sd card image you are running the Pi with
02:23 PM c101horse8332[m]: i think that came from the pi thingy program that is usually used to image the pi card with
02:26 PM c101horse8332[m]: i think this was the the one that worked, JT guided me through getting it pmuch this far
02:29 PM unterhaus_: well, JT is currently remaining silent :)
02:31 PM unterhaus_: from a terminal, can you type "more /etc/issue" without the quotes and see what it says
02:31 PM unterhaus_: I think that tells what distro
02:33 PM c101horse8332[m]: Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 \n \l
02:34 PM unterhaus_: okey
02:38 PM unterhaus_: apparently a compatibility bit is set. Software churn is so much fun, why don't some of those guys go cure cancer or something?
02:48 PM unterhaus_: I wonder if this will work, from a terminal no quotes "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=3.2 linuxcnc"
02:49 PM CloudEvil: unterhaus_: https://i.imgur.com/Hf5vUGi.png
02:53 PM unterhaus_: exactly, why fix things when you can break everything so much more easily
02:53 PM c101horse8332[m]: IT WORKED
02:53 PM c101horse8332[m]: for a little bit
02:54 PM c101horse8332[m]: then it went back to i dont wanna mode
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02:54 PM c101horse8332[m]: I did spot this when it was going
02:55 PM unterhaus_: I don't quite understand why the recent files thing is causing problems
02:55 PM unterhaus_: it has been an error in each of your error lists
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02:56 PM c101horse8332[m]: Havent seen this screen in a fair while
02:56 PM unterhaus_: can you capture another file with errors?
02:56 PM c101horse8332[m]: managed to move the x axis a bit then probe basic went away again
02:56 PM c101horse8332[m]: most likely yes
02:57 PM unterhaus_: what I told you to do might be a hack. I think for safety you have to enable software emulation somewhere
02:58 PM unterhaus_: I'm learning too much about mesa
03:01 PM * c101horse8332[m] posted a file: (15KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/jauriarts.org/ABtBTAWOuryRzMRJIhYkJFZD/message.txt >
03:04 PM c101horse8332[m]: well, if you need your software stress tested, you know who to contact i guess
03:04 PM Tom_L: line 61, in bindWidget
03:04 PM Tom_L: method = getattr(method, item)
03:04 PM c101horse8332[m]: i will manage to break it
03:05 PM Tom_L: AttributeError: module 'qtpyvcp.actions' has no attribute 'settings'
03:18 PM unterhaus_: looking at those errors, I think it might be safe to say that qtpyvcp does not support RPi at this time
03:19 PM c101horse8332[m]: Well, damn
03:19 PM unterhaus_: with python 3 anyway
03:19 PM unterhaus_: but we should ask turboss
03:21 PM unterhaus_: and I'm not sure if you can turn on software emulation on the pi, it's possible
03:21 PM travis_farmer[m]: c101horse🇳🇱#8332: how many computers have you gone through now, looking for a good LinuxCNC candidate? seems like quite a few...
03:21 PM TurBoss: c101horse🇳🇱#8332: can you try the sim that come in probe_basic/config/probe_basic/probe_basic.ini?
03:21 PM unterhaus_: pi works fine within its limitation
03:22 PM c101horse8332[m]: Getting close to 10
03:22 PM c101horse8332[m]: Ill have to try tomorrow evening
03:22 PM TurBoss: okay!
03:24 PM travis_farmer[m]: i would have to say, you have a very strong character, sticking with it so long. i would have given up ages ago.
03:24 PM unterhaus_: I'll go get a pi and set it up
03:25 PM Tom_L: what os on the rpi?
03:25 PM travis_farmer[m]: it was Rasbien 11, IIRC
03:27 PM travis_farmer[m]: "Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 \n \l" as he posted earlier
03:27 PM solarwind: XXCoder thanks for the zimaboard link
03:27 PM solarwind: that's exactly what I needed for my PCIe connected FPGA work I'm doing now
03:28 PM solarwind: dual lan - perfect for ethercat
03:28 PM solarwind: that's the perfect machine for linuxcnc
03:28 PM XXCoder: np
03:28 PM XXCoder: i thought so but wasnt sure
03:28 PM XXCoder: out now later
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03:31 PM skunkworks[m]: Core anyone?
03:35 PM Tom_L: i've seen those
03:35 PM * JT-Woodshop doesn't even pretend to know what that might do
03:35 PM XXCoder: its very very old data storage system for computing
03:35 PM unterhaus_: it's memory from a space ship
03:35 PM XXCoder: those "donuts" flip one way or other for 0 or 1
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03:36 PM unterhaus_: they used core on the space shuttle because they were afraid to switch
03:36 PM XXCoder: its so big that it cant be affected by gamma rays lol
03:36 PM unterhaus_: I was going to ask how big it was
03:36 PM skunkworks[m]: should count how many bits are there.
03:36 PM XXCoder: probably couple tens of k
03:37 PM skunkworks[m]: I remember counting it a long time ago - I thought I remember it being like 4kbits or something like that
03:37 PM unterhaus_: that's amazing
03:37 PM unterhaus_: I'm a little surprised the supporting circuitry isn't a bit more involved
03:38 PM solarwind: Ah, Odroid H3+ is better in every way actually: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h3-plus/
03:38 PM XXCoder: 16*4 for one row. 16*4*2 for column
03:38 PM solarwind: same price, and every spec is better
03:38 PM unterhaus_: better than what?
03:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Woodshop, core memory
03:40 PM skunkworks[m]: 8192 bits.. 64X64 and there are 2 of them
03:40 PM Tom_L: the ones i've seen were larger cores
03:40 PM solarwind: unterhaus_ better than the zimaboard
03:41 PM unterhaus_: thanks
03:41 PM TurBoss: bull memory
03:41 PM TurBoss: 😛
03:41 PM unterhaus_: it would be fun to watch the bits flip in a computer
03:42 PM Tom_L: i've seen those like 15" hdd too and you _can_ see the bits on them
03:43 PM unterhaus_: when core was around, ibm had disk packs where you replaced the disks
03:44 PM unterhaus_: I wonder if there are old movies where someone changes disk packs
03:45 PM skunkworks[m]: we got a whole bunch of business machine and mainframe stuff from a local college. There was a few drum hard drives..
03:45 PM skunkworks[m]: in the 80's
03:46 PM skunkworks[m]: had to rent a u-haul to get it all home. (dad also got his first brown and sharp milling machine at that auction)
03:47 PM skunkworks[m]: I think my uncle took the mainframe stuff - he probably still has it 😉
03:48 PM skunkworks[m]: we saved the core memory card - it was cool 😉
03:49 PM unterhaus_: I had an old ibm floppy disk for a while. You could put a batch of floppy disks in a rack and it would change them
03:49 PM skunkworks[m]: I don't know how 'stand alone' the card is.. I would guess there were other cards that supported the refresh and such.
03:49 PM unterhaus_: you don't have to refresh it, I don't think
03:50 PM skunkworks[m]: I think the act of reading - destroys the data.. So you have to put it back..
03:50 PM skunkworks[m]: I think
03:50 PM unterhaus_: maybe
03:50 PM unterhaus_: sounds plausible
03:52 PM skunkworks[m]: Choose one current direction as representing 0, and the other as 1.
03:52 PM skunkworks[m]: Write the desired bit value by sending some current down the write wire in the appropriate direction.
03:52 PM skunkworks[m]: To read the value, just write a zero value and look for a pulse in the sense wire. If was see one, we know the previous value was one so we need to rewrite the value back to one. If there was no pulse, then the previous value was already zero and we don’t need to do anything more.
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I had to drive to get a fresh copies of floppies back in the 70's
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we had someone hold them away from the dashboard or anything metal in the interior to be sure we didn't waste a trip and have to drive back to get another copy
04:21 PM unterhaus_: when I was in grad school, I had to issue a command that woke up a person to change tapes
04:22 PM unterhaus_: not as bad as walking your card deck to the computer center so they could run it at their leisure
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: did it also involve some sort of Rube Goldberg machine?
04:22 PM unterhaus_: I never saw the actual working of it. They had a big file that held all the tapes
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hanging chad program errors
04:24 PM unterhaus_: I don't think hanging chads were really a problem very often
04:24 PM unterhaus_: maybe if you had your card deck copied?
04:25 PM unterhaus_: looking for my rpi was a bit of a travail, I have achieved a disturbing level of disorganization
04:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.masswerk.at/cardreader/
04:29 PM roycroft: hanging chads are only a problem when it's florida man who is making the chads :)
04:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's a good thing that CNC went with paper tape vs cards
04:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we are not a loom
04:30 PM roycroft: there are loom cards that are over 150 years old that still work fine
04:30 PM roguish[m]: just had lunch with a good friend. he's being layed off by Google.....
04:30 PM roycroft: we still make kilts, after all
04:30 PM roycroft: and they still use the same tartans as they did 150 years ago
04:31 PM * roycroft has never heard of a tartan mutation, but supposes such a thing could happen
04:31 PM unterhaus_: I think tape readers are much cheaper than a card reader
04:31 PM unterhaus_: maybe not at the speed of a cnc though
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: simpler design for tape
04:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape#/media/File:Papertape2.jpg
04:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itd-4lMoXgI Connections
04:34 PM unterhaus_: I forgot I was in the middle of feeding the dogs. They must be somewhat perturbed right now
04:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus_: spoon fed?
04:35 PM Loetmichel_: my mom used to work as a seamstress for a ribbon weaver company (they made stuff like the rank signs on uniforms or mission patches, not embroidered but weaved into the ribbon. They still had a machine from the mit 1800s that worked with z-folded cardboard cards for the "program". Still worked in 1995... :)
04:36 PM Loetmichel_: s/machine/"programmable" loom
04:37 PM Loetmichel_: @ roycroft
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04:47 PM JT-Woodshop: hmm, wenge won't get here till monday.
04:48 PM XXCoder: wont be surpised. programmable loom is root iof computers essentally
04:48 PM XXCoder: punch cards got its start from looms
04:48 PM * JT-Woodshop tries to decide if some osage orange would look good in this dizzy bowl
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04:55 PM JT-Woodshop: lol
04:55 PM XXCoder: capt did you see my earlier link on single board server?
04:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: for veegee the intel thingmabob?
05:00 PM XXCoder: https://www.zimaboard.com/
05:00 PM XXCoder: this board. I didnt link it for anyone really.
05:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah intel :(
05:01 PM XXCoder: whats wrong with it>?
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shitty company
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lies lies lies yeah
05:01 PM XXCoder: sucks
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I try not to reward bad behavior
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05:15 PM XXCoder: 9 of em. interesting pattern on one. light brown with very dark brown lines
05:16 PM JT-Woodshop: Zebrawood
05:17 PM JT-Woodshop: just need the wenge to finish making the strips
05:17 PM XXCoder: cool
05:31 PM unterhaus_: I wonder if I will find a mini hdmi cable before I run out of patience
05:34 PM roycroft: c
05:34 PM roycroft: just grab a regular one and pop it in the microwave for a bit
05:50 PM Tom_L: JT-Woodshop, are the brown ones 3 different walnuts?
06:18 PM unterhaus_: I only see two that might be walnut
06:19 PM unterhaus_: that zimaboard has a neat looking case
06:30 PM Tom_L: yeah but i dunno what the one on the left is
06:39 PM unterhaus_: you mean the orangish wood?
06:43 PM unterhaus_: I found a mini hdmi cable but the monitor I want to use only has displayport and dvi
06:57 PM Tom_L: no left of that
06:59 PM unterhaus_: the purple stuff is paduk or purpleheart, I think
06:59 PM Tom_L: ok
07:28 PM XXCoder: ow. as bad as avian flu is on egg prices, one chicken farm got on fire and killed 100,00 chickens
07:29 PM unterhaus_: drop in the bucket, I think
07:29 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:29 PM XXCoder: poor chickens though
07:29 PM unterhaus_: those chickens had it bad from birth, they are in a better place now
07:30 PM unterhaus_: I guess I'm going to have to find a third monitor for the rpi's
07:54 PM CloudEvil: I now want a monitor lizard, and several projectors in the cage around it, and a 3d tracking system to paint the lizard with a HDMI input.
08:41 PM unterhaus_: monitor lizards are a little too dangerous for me, and little dog would probably bark at it all day
08:46 PM XXCoder: man reading some review its clear some people dont read at all. "I take 4 pills daily and it did too much!" instructions: 2 pills a day, seperated across time with meals. other one "took it with empty stomach and it was rough" (see previous)
09:26 PM roycroft: fish make great pets, unterhaus_
09:26 PM roycroft: they are very quiet
09:27 PM roycroft: and they are always either in their tank or dead
09:27 PM XXCoder: or both
09:28 PM roycroft: yes, that too
09:28 PM roycroft: but it is also obvious if they are in their tank and dead
09:28 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:28 PM XXCoder: convient of them to float up when dead
09:29 PM XXCoder: seriously though props to people with salt water tank
09:29 PM XXCoder: its hard to keep going and saltwater fishies is sensive
09:29 PM CloudEvil: roycroft: you missed the third state.
09:29 PM roycroft: i used to keep salt water tanks
09:29 PM CloudEvil: Jumped the fuck out
09:29 PM roycroft: it was a lot of work
09:30 PM * roycroft has no fish any more
09:55 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] what did they lie about?