#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 26 2023
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:17 AM travis_farmer[m]: anybody (that is still awake) know if it is possible to use PyVCP with qtdragon_hd? either as a floating window, or an embedded tab?
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12:59 AM Deejay: moi
01:00 AM Deejay: +n
04:32 AM Tom_L: morning
04:35 AM kidnextdoor: hey, im looking for job, i just need salary and a roof
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04:56 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:00 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning
05:16 AM travis_farmer[m]: kidnextdoor: i could give you a job, but i would have to pay you exactly what i pay myself... ;-)
05:20 AM pere: travis_farmer[m]: if the level is what I suspect it is, I could double it. :)
05:20 AM kidnextdoor: yeah right, working to get warm... no thank you
05:21 AM pere: kidnextdoor: btw, what bring you to #linuxcnc?
05:21 AM kidnextdoor: im investing all in in 3d cad and CNC to get a job i like and keep to retire
05:22 AM kidnextdoor: keep until i retire*
05:22 AM travis_farmer[m]: what training do you have?
05:22 AM kidnextdoor: none, i done plenty stuff in pc but never invested in CAD
05:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: you have no training, and want a salary?
05:23 AM kidnextdoor: for example my latest is this linux desktop ive built, from scratch using i3 right now, loving it, arch linux
05:23 AM kidnextdoor: if nobody gives me a job i will enver have experience
05:24 AM travis_farmer[m]: may want to look at an apprenticeship, before looking for a salary...
05:25 AM kidnextdoor: maybe if i lived in america, im my country we are so behind in this technological industry that i can apply for job if i show some work done in it i believe
05:25 AM travis_farmer[m]: Hmm...
05:26 AM kidnextdoor: in any case apprentices should also ave a salary in any case
05:27 AM kidnextdoor: do automatic farming tractors also use CNC, like those in interstellar
05:28 AM travis_farmer[m]: i worked many years as a carpenter, and didn't get a salary. i got paid by the hour...
05:28 AM kidnextdoor: oh, in some cases thats even better
05:29 AM kidnextdoor: but i need stability, i need a monthly salary, i want to buy a house and banks needs my stability to end me money to buy a house
05:30 AM rmu: kidnextdoor: what country?
05:33 AM pere: kidnextdoor: did you check out FreeCAD for CAD work?
05:38 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.matt.2022.12.003/attachment/291fbfaf-1e1f-4729-a557-106bb4556a79/mmc3.mp4
05:39 AM CaptHindsight[m]: phase change robot
05:40 AM kidnextdoor: im searching CAD work, they all ask for experience in autocad or topsolid, but im showing them i know how to use reecad
05:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: kidnextdoor: it sounds like you know what they are looking for
05:46 AM He[m]1: Topsolid?
05:46 AM He[m]1: Oof
05:50 AM CaptHindsight[m]: He²: if that is what they use then you need to be able to show them experience in it, as goofy as it may seem
05:52 AM He[m]1: Yeah I know, just that being forced to use topsolid brings back memories
05:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I had forgotten about it and had to look it up
06:00 AM He[m]1: It works okay, the PDM system being forced onto you is a bit infuriating though
06:00 AM He[m]1: Especially if you work at a small job shop 😅
06:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: obey and conform
06:44 AM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm, until the air fittings and adaptor arrive, there isn't a huge amount i can even do for work on my machine build... i could mock-up the regulators, filters, and other things to see if i am missing anything, but i don't know... maybe i will come up with something to do a bit later. i hate waiting for deliveries...
06:48 AM TurBoss: hello
06:48 AM JT-Cave: hi
06:48 AM TurBoss: my nema23 servos broke...
06:49 AM TurBoss: why...
06:49 AM TurBoss: all three
06:49 AM JT-Cave: you're too hard on them...
06:49 AM TurBoss: 😄
06:49 AM travis_farmer[m]: solar flare?
06:49 AM TurBoss: couldbe
06:49 AM TurBoss: 😄
06:49 AM jpa-: overvoltage during braking?
06:50 AM TurBoss: they are ihsv57 180w
06:52 AM TurBoss: jpa-: I'm not sure that could burn them?
07:04 AM randy: TurBoss: there is a known issue with the shunt resistor
07:04 AM randy: due to vibrations, the solder joint can brake
07:05 AM randy: solution: resolder a SMD 0.033ohms resistor nstead of the THT 3 watt type
07:05 AM TurBoss: awesome thank you!!
07:05 AM randy: but: if they all die in the same second, it's very unlikely the shunt :)
07:07 AM randy: https://cncwerk.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1156&start=20 its in german, but i think its easy to translate and to understand the pictures
07:11 AM TurBoss: looks doable I'll give a try, thanks
07:11 AM TurBoss: brb
08:07 AM TurBoss: randy: i tried to resolder the resistor but nothing same error should i replace with a SMD one?
08:19 AM travis_farmer[m]: just snowblowed part of the driveway... snow is so heavy i broke 5 shear-pins, going as slow as possible :-(
08:25 AM travis_farmer[m]: couldn't even get a path to my shop... the snowblower just wasn't having it...
08:26 AM TurBoss: ☹️
08:26 AM TurBoss: snow is very rare here 🙂
08:26 AM TurBoss: maybe 1 mm snow one day a year
08:27 AM travis_farmer[m]: are front-end loaders rare there? i need one...
08:28 AM travis_farmer[m]: ;-)
08:30 AM randy: TurBoss: if the resistor istn the fault, it makes no sense to replace them, or?
08:31 AM randy: i would only replace them if they are really broken.
08:31 AM TurBoss: it measure 0.022
08:31 AM randy: and: if all 3 failed together, its not the resistor
08:32 AM randy: overvoltage or similar
08:32 AM TurBoss: looks like
08:32 AM TurBoss: ☹️
08:33 AM travis_farmer[m]: shear pins are cheaper to replace, wanna trade jobs? ;-)
08:34 AM randy: what is the status of the servos? do they light up with blinking green, not just running? are they showing error? (blink code?)
08:34 AM randy: or are they completely dead?
08:35 AM TurBoss: they power on with both leds on then red goes off and green becames erratic
08:35 AM TurBoss: if i move the shaft it starts to vibrate a bit and i shutdown them
08:36 AM travis_farmer[m]: loose power connection?
08:36 AM TurBoss: it looks like that but tries 2 PSU and new wires 🙂
08:37 AM TurBoss: *i tried
08:37 AM randy: ah. connect the serial port and reprogram then
08:37 AM randy: well, at least i had this once
08:38 AM TurBoss: also tried but it refuses to go online 🤦
08:38 AM TurBoss: I'll try harder
08:38 AM randy: it seemed to work, but when i tried to rotate the axis, the servo went crazy and did emergency shutdown
08:38 AM travis_farmer[m]: enable/disable signal?
08:39 AM TurBoss: i also tried this tool https://github.com/robert-budde/iHSV-Servo-Tool
08:42 AM * travis_farmer[m] senses he is only getting in the way, and butts out ;-)
08:43 AM TurBoss: > * <@travis_farmer:matrix.org> senses he is only getting in the way, and butts out ;-)
08:43 AM TurBoss: enable is not wired was not required 🙂
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08:51 AM JT-Shop: XXCoder, linux mint had gparted so simple to delete the partitions
09:43 AM d2inventory: hey hou, is someone here who knows how to deal with translations? I checked the .po files but they have a wrong reference to the source file so I'm not sure if those are the ones I need to edit.
09:44 AM TurBoss: d2inventory: hello, translations are managed in weblate https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/
09:46 AM d2inventory: thanks. is this just to translate existing strings or do I have to add new strings there too? I made a change to the hal_manualtoolchange.py component so I get more info when changing tools, which uses new strings which need to be translated.
09:47 AM TurBoss: 🤔 i'm not sure sorry
09:59 AM JT-Shop: I think pere would know
10:10 AM d2inventory: ok thx. so I just wait with the PR then.
10:29 AM pere: d2inventory: you do not need to add new strings. it will be added automatically when I find time to sync git master branch with weblate.
10:30 AM d2inventory: Thank you pere. So I translate it after the pull request has been accepted and you synced it on weblate?
10:30 AM d2inventory: Do you know what purpose the .po files serve in the source repository?
10:31 AM pere: d2inventory: yes.
10:31 AM pere: d2inventory: they are the translation storage and are used to generate various stuff during build (translated docs, .mo files, etc).
10:31 AM pere: d2inventory: which language do you want to translate to?
10:33 AM d2inventory: Oh I just created some new strings and thought I translate those into the languages I know while I'm at it. They are very similar to existing ones so shouldn't have been a problem.
10:34 AM d2inventory: do I understand this right: You export the translations from weblate and then reintegrate them into the source repository as .po files?
10:34 AM pere: d2inventory: sound like a good intention. I suggest you translate some other strings while we wait for the ones you added to show up.
10:35 AM pere: d2inventory: the sync is simply a git merge from weblate to master. weblate create github pull requests, but we also need to ensure changes as synced back imediately to avoid git confligs.
10:35 AM pere: conflicts, I mean.
10:36 AM d2inventory: aaah ok, thank you for the explanation.
10:40 AM unterhaus: another day ending in 'y' where I would have been better off not subscribing to the mailing list
10:47 AM Tom_L: unsubscribe :)
10:48 AM Tom_L: not familiar with the drama there, i've never looked at it
10:48 AM roycroft: it's too bad you're not able to read the elections forum that i'm hosting for the non-profit for which i volunteer
10:48 AM roycroft: i'm sure it would make the mailing list appear tame in comparison
10:50 AM * roycroft is locking the forum in 11 hours and 10 minutes
10:59 AM JT-Cave: I deleted the partitions then installed windblows 7 but windblows update is broken and I can't install SolidWorks on service pack 0...
11:01 AM roycroft: i thought that windows 7 was eol and there are no more updates to be had
11:02 AM JT-Cave: well that sucks then
11:02 AM roycroft: if you really need that version you can probably buy an oem windows 7 install dvd on ebay that has some of the service packs already installed
11:02 AM roycroft: but if it's for solidworks, then maybe you should just get a windows 10 upgrade
11:02 AM roycroft: windows 10 is much better than windows 7, if your version of sw runs on it
11:03 AM JT-Cave: I have windows 10 on a laptop and never use it
11:03 AM roycroft: i find windows 10 the most tolerable version i've ever used
11:03 AM roycroft: and you can install a linux runtime package on windows 10, and have the basic linux utilities available
11:04 AM roycroft: that linux runtime package is part of the official windows distribution - not a third-party thing
11:04 AM JT-Cave: seems you can still download the service packs
11:04 AM roycroft: oh, so you can apply them manually
11:04 AM roycroft: that's probably the easiest thing to do
11:05 AM JT-Cave: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB976932
11:05 AM * roycroft still has two windows xp vms for apps that won't run on anything newer
11:05 AM roycroft: that's a nice thing about virtual machine images - they're easy to back up and restore
11:05 AM JT-Cave: I tried installing xp but never could get it past the registration part
11:05 AM roycroft: i'll never have to go find a windows xp cd
11:06 AM roycroft: i have a pre-activated base install in a vm
11:06 AM roycroft: if i ever need an xp vm i can just clone that and do whatever i need to do with it
11:07 AM * roycroft just ordered a roll of decent quality vinyl for his new cutter
11:07 AM roycroft: the sample rolls that came with the machine are all wrinkly
11:07 AM JT-Cave: seems I have win7 pro sp1 in my software section...
11:08 AM roycroft: i got basically nowhere last night, other than proving that the knife drags across the vinyl in a way that resembles what i was trying to cut
11:10 AM Tom_L: i'm running SP1 on mine
11:17 AM JT-Shop: hmm sp1 is an iso
11:18 AM JT-Shop: hmm it won't activate either
11:18 AM Tom_L: got a key?
11:18 AM JT-Shop: yup
11:20 AM Tom_L: the main iso or the sp1?
11:22 AM JT-Shop: it might be the main iso with sp1 dunno
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11:36 AM jdh: XP VM's are great for old PLC software, old drives and indexers. Kind of a pain with USB serial adapters though
11:39 AM unterhaus: you should still be able to install win 10 with a win 7 license
11:41 AM unterhaus: penn state surplus is selling deep fat fryers for $50
11:41 AM unterhaus: need 3 phase electric, so that may save my life
11:49 AM roycroft: you could convert one of them into a cnc edm machine
11:50 AM roycroft: my eprom burner machine still runs windows 95, jdh
11:50 AM roycroft: because that's the os the software runs on
11:50 AM roycroft: well
11:50 AM roycroft: it still ran windows 95 the last time i used it, which was about 10 years ago
11:50 AM roycroft: it probably doesn't even boot now
11:53 AM * travis_farmer[m] considers going out to the shop, when he remembers what he was going to do out there...
11:56 AM roycroft: you were going out there to try not to freeze to death
11:57 AM roycroft: which is probably why you're not out there yet
11:57 AM travis_farmer[m]: oh, right... i was going to measure for that furnace :-)
12:41 PM roycroft: our forecast is still for -7 over the weekend
12:41 PM roycroft: i think i need to get something to protect my bay laurel tree
12:41 PM roycroft: it's still tiny, and it would probably be killed by that temperature
12:41 PM roycroft: i have to stop by the country fair office at lunch time today, and there's a garden center a couple blocks from there
12:42 PM roycroft: i'll see what they have
01:06 PM travis_farmer[m]: there, camper furnace is installed... at least enough to plug the hole that was a cargo hatch. it may leak a touch, but i will caulk the furnace cover when there isn't melt water dripping down in the area. caulk doesn't like to stick to water for some reason... but tomorrow i can hook up power, a thermostat, and a 30 pound LP tank, and have some heat.
01:09 PM travis_farmer[m]: the big trick will be keeping the snowblower from filling the intake and exhaust vents with snow...
01:09 PM travis_farmer[m]: may need to invent a temp cover of sorts
01:11 PM skunkworks[m]: lol - I have an xp, windows7, windows 10 and windows 11 vm's on my laptop..
01:11 PM travis_farmer[m]: you need WFW 3.11 ;-)
01:12 PM roycroft: or maybe windows 2.03
01:12 PM roycroft: from when the windows were tiled, and couldn't be moved around or rescaled
01:13 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
01:13 PM skunkworks[m]: lol - I started with 3.11
01:13 PM roycroft: but
01:13 PM roycroft: let's not forget to keep a copy of vista around
01:13 PM roycroft: for when you need a "the computer ate my homework" excuse
01:13 PM skunkworks[m]: vista or 8?
01:13 PM travis_farmer[m]: i still have a copy of WFW 3.11 ;-)
01:14 PM roycroft: windows 8 was the "my computer is a big phone that can't make phone calls" release
01:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: you can run them on single phase with a little rewiring and some larger branch circuits, so don't out dying yet :)
01:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: drama on the LCNC user ML again, this time it's back to why there isn't a standard plug and play LCNC mill
01:30 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
01:31 PM * JT[m]1 uploaded an image: (266KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/MRGCjoPLnYcHdRqbYTZCACIk/20230126_133022.jpg >
01:33 PM solarwind: pcw--home have you considered lattice FPGAs? Those seem to be consistently quite a bit cheaper
01:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: yes, he said that he couldn't get a good supply of them
01:34 PM solarwind: pcw--home also check this out: https://www.myirtech.com/list.asp?id=708 full ZYNQ board for < $100
01:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like they got stuck with leftovers
01:35 PM solarwind: I don't know how they got them for that cheap, but I'm ordering that one
01:35 PM solarwind: And check out this guy: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001125245990.html
01:35 PM solarwind: Cyclone 4 PCIe board for $100 CAD
01:35 PM solarwind: including DRAM. I have no idea how he's able to sell those for such a low price
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: yeah, last time I check the ZYNQ parts were near that price
01:36 PM solarwind: And he designs and makes those boards himself.
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was there a price drop?
01:36 PM solarwind: Not that I'm aware of, but there's a site that tracks FPGA prices, forgot the name
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh Shenzhen, Guangdong, China
01:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so he likely gets backdoor parts at just above the high volume price
01:37 PM solarwind: that's my guy!
01:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why semiconductor vendors don't like that, but they can't stop the practice in China
01:37 PM solarwind: that's one of the few reasons I like China
01:38 PM solarwind: they don't believe in "IP"
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we could get about anything at 2-3% over their cost
01:38 PM solarwind: how?
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you just needed friends that worked at the right factories
01:39 PM solarwind: ah. Well for the rest of us, there's that guy in China
01:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it works like this: you need a device that is say $50 at Digikey IF you can get it....
01:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you ask your "guys" who buy them at the 500K pieces price for the 50 you want
01:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they sell you 50 of theirs at 2-3% over their cost
01:40 PM solarwind: sounds like the right way to do it
01:40 PM solarwind: should be standardized
01:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: suppliers hate this one simple trick :)
01:41 PM solarwind: only problem is finding contacts
01:41 PM solarwind: of course they hate it, they're fucking greedy
01:41 PM solarwind: they want to buy another yacht this month
01:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, you make friends with the sellers at the electronics markets
01:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or buddies that they went to school with that now work at some large Chinese OEM
01:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: greedy might be too kind a word
01:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: US suppliers will make you sign agreements that you not resell your parts
01:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is laughable in China
01:44 PM solarwind: as it should be
01:44 PM solarwind: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001275162791.html that's a Kintex 325T on a PCIe carrier with many goodies for $350 CAD
01:44 PM solarwind: just that damn FMC connector adds $40 CAD to the cost so he put an option to omit it
01:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is the current exchange rate for Can vs USD?
01:45 PM solarwind: xe.com says 1 USD = 1.33 CAD
01:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1 CAD = 0.747013 USD
01:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ouch
01:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how about for $2? :)
01:47 PM solarwind: Just need to pirate Vivado Enterprise edition so I can program for the Kintex parts
01:48 PM solarwind: it's so stupid that the only way to design for the mid range chips is with a $3,000 licence
01:48 PM solarwind: luckily I have my own morals
01:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok so if i want look for jobs in Canada and make $500k/year USD I need to look for $650K CAN
01:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is minimum wage there? $200k CAN?
01:50 PM solarwind: LOL!
01:50 PM solarwind: I don't actually know
01:50 PM solarwind: Nice, my university of Toronto email still works. Education discount, here I come
01:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 👍️
01:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nobody ever got rich by paying full price
01:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Effective as of January 1, 2023. On October 1, 2023, minimum wage will increase from $14.50 to $15.00 per hour ($0.50 increase).
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: is maple syrup still free if you bring your own bucket?
01:56 PM solarwind: only if the trees feel like it
01:56 PM solarwind: regarding minimum wage LOL and we didn't even need to ask
01:56 PM solarwind: meanwhile in america - Bernie has been fighting for that for years
01:57 PM solarwind: but legalized bribery is too strong
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: https://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt1.aspx looks like as the area gets more conservative the rate of pay drops
01:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: smells familiar
01:58 PM solarwind: yeah funny how that works
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: yes money has personhood down here
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's also speach
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: speech even
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: since corporations have no mouth, lungs and voicebox etc etc, they had to be given some way to compensate
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's only fair :)
02:02 PM XXCoder: I'll belive that money is people only after texas kills them by criminal charge and execution. same for companies. ;)
02:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: https://www.myirtech.com/service.asp
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02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: those automated assembly machines only cost a few thousand USD ea and they have a few techs running around keeping them running after breakdowns
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vs $200K machine that runs for 10 years
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so $10k machine + $10k/year for a tech
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: YOU SAVE $90k!
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.myirtech.com/images/service/process1.jpg
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this certifies that they have a certificate
02:14 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] LOL yeah the certificate pictures and office pictures always make me laugh
02:14 PM solarwind: I honestly don't care personally, as long as they are responsive and provide a bit of support
02:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I always feel warm and fuzzy when they say "trust us"
02:20 PM skunkworks[m]: Ray Henry is still alive!
02:24 PM XXCoder: some of more scummy companies, I wondered how many hours they had those offices lol
02:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: skunkworks: yea saw the ML
02:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how is your dad?
02:28 PM skunkworks[m]: moving slow - but still moving.
02:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 👍️
02:36 PM XXCoder: whos Ray Henry? google results was unclear
02:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: http://linuxcnc.org/2006/03/28/018-emc-fest-2004/
02:39 PM unterhaus: I went to that, surprised I wasn't mentioned
02:40 PM cradek_: skunkworks[m]: I was trying to find him a while back, I'm glad to hear your news
02:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/emc-history.html
02:41 PM cradek_: heh I was there in 2004 but didn't say hi to anyone. so long ago.
02:41 PM skunkworks[m]: cradek (@_discord_635160803753984018:jauriarts.org) How are you doing? watches still keeping you busy?
02:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: ...2004... i was busy working at KFC as a cook...
02:42 PM unterhaus: Did Paul Corner like neo-punk bands of the late '70s?
02:43 PM skunkworks[m]: lol - haven't heard that name in a while..
02:43 PM cradek_: I'm doing ok, a lot of things are hard right now but I'm surviving. jeff and seb and I just rebuilt my little lathe/coil winder with hm2_eth instead of pluto
02:43 PM XXCoder: 2004 im in college
02:44 PM skunkworks[m]: cradek (@_discord_635160803753984018:jauriarts.org) oof - I hear you.. I still have a pluto too.. mesa is so much nicer 😉
02:44 PM unterhaus: there was some theory that Paul was the recently heard from "adam ant"
02:44 PM travis_farmer[m]: i tried college for a semester... they had no help for an Autistic person, so i left
02:44 PM skunkworks[m]: I was wondering what you were working on that got you to find some halscope bugs... 😉
02:46 PM unterhaus: has anyone been looking at the opengl/python problem?
02:47 PM cradek_: yeah we're using a pi400 and with some video settings halscope would just crash on startup.
02:47 PM cradek_ is now known as cradek
02:48 PM cradek: did you talk to ray? how is he?
02:48 PM unterhaus: he posted on the mailing list
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/37769233/
02:50 PM cradek: haha wow first post since 2005
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i think we started using LCNC around '05 or '06, wasn't it Ubuntu back then?
02:54 PM cradek: the first ubuntu I built a kernel package for was 5.10 (Oct 2005)
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cradek: what did you use before that? (distro)
02:54 PM cradek: I think I did 2005, 6, 8 and then someone else started doing it. maybe it was you??
02:55 PM cradek: there was one that was live, and one that installed, I think. I didn't use either of those, I was using redhat if I remember right
02:56 PM cradek: much before that you were expected to install an OS and build the rtai/kernel/emc
02:56 PM cradek: err rtlinux I think it was called, rtai was later
02:56 PM cradek: I dunno
02:56 PM cradek: ask ray :-)
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Alec started working with RTAI maybe 10 years ago, he does all the kernel and distro stuff
02:57 PM unterhaus: originally it was rtlinux, then they went commercial
02:58 PM unterhaus: is the rtlinux code still in lcnc?
02:59 PM unterhaus: it was about 2004 when the "brain dead install" showed up
02:59 PM unterhaus: pretty funny that disk image would make it easy
03:00 PM unterhaus: I forget what linux distribution that was based on
03:00 PM unterhaus: I think the switch to primarily rtai happened because they got their code working on v4 kernels
03:02 PM * JT-Shop never could get the BDI to install...
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: my first LCNC install was definitely Ubuntu using Mesa on analog Parker servos
03:07 PM unterhaus: I probably used redhat
03:07 PM unterhaus: that's what we used in our robots
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/bO3oIC9.jpg here it is
03:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pictured in 2011
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I got the servo drives and power supply to fit into one PC case
03:09 PM unterhaus: Cap'n, what did that lash up do exactly?
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: XY piezo inkjet printer
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: printed conductive copper ink
03:14 PM unterhaus: where did the heads come from?
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they were Dimatix/Fuji
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe Galaxy series
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03:16 PM xxcoder8265[m]: funny with egg shortage
03:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: https://www.fujifilm.com/us/en/business/inkjet-solutions/industrial-printheads
03:17 PM unterhaus: I somehow joined a facebook group with a batch of home chicken farmers
03:18 PM unterhaus: Cap'n, is it still the new normal?
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: sorry I don't understand young people jargon :)
03:26 PM roycroft: "the new normal" is no longer young people jargon - it's the new normal jargon
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: EMC2 moved from SVN to GIT around 08-09
03:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when did the MESA 5I25 come out?
03:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: PCI Express came out in 2003 and by 2008 they were already harder to find on motherboards
03:47 PM travis_farmer[m]: i have an old 5i20 kicking around still ;-)
03:48 PM * JT-Shop has a 5i20 in the CHNC
03:49 PM travis_farmer[m]: hey if it is still relevant, maybe i am not foolish in having one ;-)
03:50 PM travis_farmer[m]: or i could sell it to some one that needs a backup...
03:52 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, get 7 installed?
03:55 PM JT-Shop: yup, working on Quickbooks so I can get paid tomorrow :)
03:55 PM JT-Shop: got SW 2015 up and going but need to find the latest SP for it
03:55 PM travis_farmer[m]: do i get paid too? ;-)
03:58 PM * travis_farmer[m] has discovered that inline documentation of his code, does make it easier to figure out what i was thinking... (or wasn't thinking, depending on the moment)
03:59 PM JT-Shop: did you do any work for me?
04:00 PM JT-Shop: I hired a buddy a few years ago and when I paid him he almost fell out... the job paid helpers $75 an hour
04:00 PM travis_farmer[m]: no, just thought you needed a tax write-off donation ;-)
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png
04:01 PM travis_farmer[m]: $75 and hour! dang, i was only making $14 at my job!
04:01 PM JT-Shop: that never works out for me
04:02 PM travis_farmer[m]: well, worth a shot ;-)
04:03 PM JT-Shop: when my partner was alive we charged $100 per hour each... now that I'm retired I only charge $75 per hour
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i knew a contractor that did mechanical work that charged about half the hourly rate of most, he did ok since he always took twice as long :)
04:04 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:04 PM JT-Shop: sounds like too much work to me
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it fooled the cheapskates for a while
04:05 PM travis_farmer[m]: i may not be fast, but at least i am half-assed ;-)
04:05 PM * JT-Shop thinks he will wait for tomorrow to install One CNC
04:16 PM roycroft: well that was fun
04:16 PM roycroft: two of our web servers ran out of disk again
04:17 PM travis_farmer[m]: should have started with bigger disks ;-)
04:17 PM roycroft: because my boss had set the backup schedule for all the websites to back them up hourly and never delete the backups
04:17 PM roycroft: this is the third or fourth time he's done this
04:17 PM XXCoder: rm -rf
04:17 PM roycroft: it's not quite that easy
04:17 PM travis_farmer[m]: ahh, that would do it
04:17 PM roycroft: he keeps saying it's not a problem
04:17 PM roycroft: and then complaining when it is
04:18 PM travis_farmer[m]: sounds like a politician
04:18 PM roycroft: anyway, my day has been all about deleting all those backups and configuring the software not to do them any more
04:18 PM roycroft: all is well now, until the next time he does it
04:18 PM XXCoder: no automated purge of old backup?
04:18 PM unterhaus: The reason it sounds like a politician is that half the politicians are car dealers
04:19 PM roycroft: and the other half are worse - they are lawyers
04:22 PM roycroft: there's an automated purge if you configure the software to do it xxcoder
04:22 PM roycroft: and i can't run a cron job to purge them, because the backup plugin keeps a database of backups that it creates
04:23 PM roycroft: and the db gets messed up if the files are changed outwith the plugin
04:23 PM XXCoder: makes sense. why dont software set to purge?
04:32 PM roycroft: because he doesn't
04:32 PM XXCoder: hm sucks
04:32 PM roycroft: yeah, well he is who he is
04:32 PM roycroft: and i do what i can to save him from himself
04:33 PM roycroft: but i can't do it all
04:44 PM JT-Woodshop: roycroft, gets to have all the fun
04:50 PM JT-Woodshop: layer 3 is glued up
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05:15 PM XXCoder: awesom
05:19 PM JT-Shop: getting there
05:23 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/hBKMqpJpuxQ wood and brass turning and mill
05:27 PM JT-Shop: good night
05:27 PM XXCoder: night
07:47 PM skunkworks[m]: I installed the bdi and played with it.. Then found IRC and found out I could install emc2..
07:48 PM skunkworks[m]: Got yelled at by jmk a couple times - got really good at explaining myself. 😉
07:48 PM XXCoder: lol fun
07:48 PM XXCoder: i first come in here in 2014? 2015?
07:48 PM skunkworks[m]: Then cradek made a live cd for emc2 based on ubuntu
07:48 PM skunkworks[m]: uh.. I would have to look
07:51 PM skunkworks[m]: videos start 15 years ago - so - before that.
07:52 PM XXCoder: nice :)
07:52 PM XXCoder: i still find it really funny that I was getting into cnc maching and slowly getting parts
07:53 PM XXCoder: then I get job training... then started cnc machining internship there, then next job was all cnc machining
08:00 PM skunkworks[m]: https://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2006-03-01.html
08:00 PM skunkworks[m]: before 2006 I guess
08:02 PM XXCoder: One of our projects of which you may have heard, wikipedia,"
08:02 PM XXCoder: lol
08:02 PM XXCoder: still was in college at 2006
08:02 PM XXCoder: 2003-2010
08:06 PM skunkworks[m]: I was in college in 1993
08:07 PM skunkworks[m]: wikipedia? neat!
08:09 PM XXCoder: i remember early college years they didnt really menion wiki
08:10 PM XXCoder: but later years they say not to cite it ever
09:15 PM Tom_L: hahaha
09:16 PM Tom_L: check 2010-12-25 JT-Shop https://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2010-12-25.html
09:17 PM XXCoder: bunch of familiar nicks
09:17 PM XXCoder: some not around much now
09:18 PM Tom_L: looks like i joined the channel around 2011 but i've followed emc for a long time
09:18 PM XXCoder: found mys3elf in 2014
09:19 PM Tom_L: been on irc since around '90
09:19 PM XXCoder: used irc in 90s also but not lcnc related
09:19 PM XXCoder: i dont even remember what servers I was on nor what channels
09:20 PM Tom_L: i had a handfull of channels on chatjunkies
09:20 PM Tom_L: it kinda fell apart so i moved to freenode
09:20 PM XXCoder: [18:14:50] <XXCoder> heys
09:20 PM XXCoder: [18:15:01] <IchGuckLive> it gcoder here ;-)
09:20 PM XXCoder: [18:15:55] <IchGuckLive> sabotender: still online
09:20 PM XXCoder: [18:16:13] <XXCoder> curious on what linuxcnc can do
09:20 PM XXCoder: my first entry at 3/15/2014
09:22 PM Tom_L: 01/13/2011 [21:06:11] <Tom_L> anybody awake?
09:23 PM XXCoder: i still had habit of using "heys" back then lol. i use it once a while but not much nowdays
09:23 PM Tom_L: i was working on my avr programmer at the time
09:30 PM * Bleepshop wanders back from work.
09:30 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: You alive?
09:30 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: XX:
09:30 PM XXCoder: nah im not alive nor am I dead
09:31 PM Tom_L: what!
09:31 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, I know. You're a hallucination. LOL
09:31 PM XXCoder: lol
09:33 PM Tom_L: haven't seen jymmmmmmmmm in ages
09:33 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:39 PM Tom_L: he was here in 05
09:39 PM XXCoder: yeah one of names I reconized and also arent here
09:40 PM Tom_L: i remember fenn
09:40 PM Tom_L: an early developer iirc
09:40 PM XXCoder: on my first day, ich was first to comment to me lol. too bad hes dead now
09:41 PM XXCoder: man I remember his first day return after few years of forest ranger work too
09:41 PM XXCoder: shocked me
09:41 PM XXCoder: I hope he really enjoyed those years, as he didnt live much after it. a year?
09:46 PM Tom_L: oh i remember now, anonimasu told me about #emc
09:46 PM Tom_L: i forget what country but he did forestry equipment
09:46 PM XXCoder: germany
09:47 PM XXCoder: he also made few hundred cnc machines. small ones. for schools
09:48 PM XXCoder: unless you meant anionimasu then dunno
09:48 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:49 PM Tom_L: i wanna say denmark but that may not be right
09:57 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, nope
10:03 PM XXCoder: too bad theres no mass search
10:12 PM XXCoder: lol I still remember finding #cnc. yay! and turns out its empty
10:12 PM XXCoder: still wonder why
10:14 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: So did you go dig through your stash and see what goodies you have?
10:22 PM _unreal_: I have not had a chance to do anything. My aunt JUST left today been here all week.
10:22 PM _unreal_: All I want to do is leave this @#%@Q#$%@# house..... but I $ cant...
10:23 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, you want a real mind bender. I'm in a stock play that should have payed out HUGE.... and it is now the biggest scandel in the market. and the media wont even make mention of it. and its bigger then FTX and madeoff combind.
10:25 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, if you google "MMTLP FINRA FRAUD" You'll find out about it to a degree. This weeknd there is a MASS USA nation WIDE awareness march on finra buildings.
10:26 PM _unreal_: Half of twitter is buzzing about the MMTLP fraud.... all investors have been fucked over by the GOV. and its clear violations.
10:26 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, are you looking for any other parts or just those breakers?
10:26 PM _unreal_: fused din rail adapters?
10:27 PM ziper3: what
10:29 PM Bleepshop: I've got a couple of opto-isolators and I'd like to find some more plus some relays and sockets.
10:33 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: These are almost like the ones I have. https://www.amazon.com/Module-MRD-060D2-Ultra-Thin-4-32VDC-Indicator/dp/B08MPS1BJB/
10:35 PM mits[m]: Is there a way to install linuxcnc just the same as the livesys... it doesn't need user accounts configured, or network names or things
10:36 PM mits[m]: I can't find anything on the topic, because all google matches are just about how to install /from/ the livesys
10:37 PM Bleepshop: mits[m]: Not sure. I wish there was an "Install to Hard Drive" option on the desktop. LOL
10:37 PM _unreal_: Bleepshop, I dont know if I have any like that off the top of my head.
10:37 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Are you trying to install on an existing distro? Or setting it up to log in directly to linuxcnc?
10:38 PM mits[m]: none, I'm trying to just put the livesys on a box because I'm trying to evaluate the hardware
10:38 PM mits[m]: but I want my USB stick back
10:38 PM mits[m]: the box is blank
10:39 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I don't understand. Why not just install from the usb stick?
10:39 PM mits[m]: because it wants a user account created and network settings like a hostname
10:39 PM mits[m]: I just want the livesys
10:40 PM mits[m]: exactly the livesys
10:40 PM mits[m]: I want a thing that will not save settings to the hard drive, just like the livesys
10:41 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can do that but you need to set it up after you have installed. You will still need to configure a hostname/username but you can set it to auto login.
10:42 PM mits[m]: I understand that I /can/ do that
10:42 PM mits[m]: this might be more of an ubuntu level question
10:42 PM mits[m]: I'm wondering why installing the livesys is not a thing
10:42 PM mits[m]: what if I have a classroom of 80 machines
10:42 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can also setup the os disk as RO but that needs additional conifg.
10:42 PM mits[m]: and I want them all to be livesys style
10:42 PM mits[m]: so they don't have any ability to save to disk
10:42 PM mits[m]: reboot and it's fresh
10:43 PM mits[m]: this shouldn't be a thing that takes extra steps.... it's already there on the USB stick
10:43 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: That is a distro level question.
10:43 PM mits[m]: just like I wnat it
10:43 PM mits[m]: * just like I want it
10:43 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: No. It is not.
10:43 PM mits[m]: in what way do you think it is not?
10:43 PM mits[m]: because it boots with syslinux?
10:45 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Unless this system is not connected to anything else then it is a very bad idea to have a default password/no password system.
10:45 PM mits[m]: no worse than running the livesys
10:45 PM mits[m]: which is a thing
10:45 PM mits[m]: even linuxcnc ships with it
10:46 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: For testing only. Not for production and for sure as hell not for a classroom 🙂
10:46 PM mits[m]: sure
10:46 PM mits[m]: I want to run the livesys without a USB stick, that's all I'm saying
10:46 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Why?
10:46 PM mits[m]: because I have one USB stick
10:46 PM mits[m]: and 6 machines to evaluate
10:47 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: So install to disk on each one. It does not take long and about the same amount of time as copying the files to the disk anyway.
10:47 PM mits[m]: installation takes about 30 minutes, copying takes 3
10:47 PM mits[m]: I already tried it
10:48 PM mits[m]: 26 minutes
10:48 PM mits[m]: I'm rounding up
10:49 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I don't know why it would take so long to install but I haven't tried it recently.
10:50 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: But how do you only have one USB stick? I swear they are handing them out in cereal boxes these days.
10:50 PM mits[m]: I have a bunch of 2GB ones
10:50 PM mits[m]: and then one 16GB
10:52 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I don't know of an easy way to copy the USB disk to a hd and boot from it. There might be something you can do with dd to clone filesystem to the disk but that would require another system to plug the drive into. You would also need to make the drive bootable but it has been far too long since I have played with that.
10:53 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You might be able to get away with installing once and cloning the disk for all of the other systems. Might have minor driver issues but probably nothing that would limit testing.
10:56 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: https://superuser.com/questions/334187/linux-copy-dvd-iso-to-empty-hard-disk-partition-and-boot-as-if-it-is-a-dvd
11:01 PM mits[m]: ooh, trying
11:10 PM norias: .win 7
11:10 PM norias: oops
11:28 PM otisa5329[m] is now known as Liar5329[m]
11:44 PM Bleepshop: MikeM[m]: Ventoy.
11:44 PM Bleepshop: mits[m]: https://www.ventoy.net/
11:44 PM Bleepshop: Sorry Mike.
11:45 PM MikeM[m]: Huh?
11:45 PM Bleepshop: That was for mits[m]
11:45 PM MikeM[m]: Lol, no problem
11:45 PM mits[m]: yes, thank you
11:45 PM mits[m]: 🙂
11:46 PM Bleepshop: I just remembered it as I've been using the hell out of it on a USB stick.
11:46 PM * Bleepshop has a USB sick with several cures for the biggest virus out there.
11:47 PM Bleepshop: I can install Debian, Fedora, LinuxCNC or Ubuntu right over the top of an old Windows install. LOL