#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 31 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:15 AM Plaid1: I got LCNC talking to my VFD. My machine is getting close to being ready for it's first test cut
12:26 AM Bleepshop: All praise to JT and his excellent guides for the debian impaired.
12:27 AM Bleepshop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/
12:36 AM XXCoder1: jt is amazing all around
12:37 AM XXCoder1 is now known as XXCoder
12:51 AM sensille: solarwind: i also don't run the motors at the max current of the driver (yet), just one step below (RMS 4A, max is 5A)
12:55 AM Bleepshop: Argh! This is gawdawfull. Radeon without the firmware after a fresh install and then it goes to screensaver during the install. Comes back looking like CGA on a EGA monitor, Color palette is shot to hell and it's painfull to look at. LOL
01:20 AM Deejay: moin
01:59 AM * Bleepshop growls in frustration.
02:01 AM Bleepshop: Umpteenth rebuild, 11>13>linuxcnc and I still can't run it from the local console without ssh-ing out to a remote box and back to the local machine.
02:02 AM Bleepshop: And it's 01:00 and I'm ready to fall over for the night so I'll go back to tormenting it tomorrow.
02:16 AM pere: Bleepshop: pehaps I can help with debugging?
02:17 AM XXCoder: probablky asleep already
02:17 AM pere: if it work over ssh but not the console, I would guess environment variable or selinux differences (latter not enabled by default on Debian).
04:25 AM c101horse[m]: Well, the little pi has been running 4glx gears all night and came up to 77uS
04:48 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:48 AM JT-Cave: mine is up to -90 +116
04:48 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning. planning on controlling my new VFD with analog control. i found a pwm to analog converter module, and it works with a pwm freq range of 1Khz to 3Khz. was wondering what speed the mesa 7i80HD-16 pwm ran at?
04:48 AM JT-Cave: still workable
05:04 AM travis_farmer[m]: hmm, in a response on the forum, to my own question a while back, it looks like 48Khz? any way to slow that down a bit?
05:13 AM travis_farmer[m]: found it, i think "setp hm2_7i80.0.pwmgen.01.pwm-frequency 2000"
05:20 AM sensille: damn. looks like i can't tell f360 to not extend over the side of the stock with a facing operation
05:20 AM sensille: with the center of the tool
05:24 AM sensille: for facing off the spoilboard
05:27 AM sensille: i could use 3d horizontal instead
05:41 AM Tom_L: morning
06:23 AM JT-Cave: dang that was a difficult bug to track down
06:37 AM travis_farmer[m]: by chance is there a way in LCNC to read in a 0-10V signal? my VFD that is coming can output a 0-10V signal for RPM feedback (going analog control with this VFD)
06:50 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok, say i used the mesa THCAD-10 to read in the 0-10V signal... would that work?
06:53 AM JT-Cave: yes
06:54 AM travis_farmer[m]: would i need to write a new HAL comp? or will your THC comp handle it? (reading the docs now)
07:03 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok, looks like i need to configure a encoder velocity input.. and can get output with the output pin "volts", ad work from there, i think
07:14 AM travis_farmer[m]: do i make the connection frequency out + to encoder input A, and out - to encoder input B?
07:21 AM travis_farmer[m]: from the PDF, " To do this, the encoder counter must be set to up/down mode, and the count input (A) connected to the THCADs frequency output." so i connect it to just A+ and A- ? and how do i put it in "up/down mode"?
07:23 AM JT-Cave: which encoder software or hardware?
07:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: HOSTMOT2 for 7i80
07:24 AM travis_farmer[m]: 7i80 is flashed with SVST8_4
07:24 AM JT-Cave: get a list of pins and parameters like this
07:25 AM JT-Cave: in one terminal do
07:25 AM JT-Cave: halrun
07:25 AM JT-Cave: loadrt hostmot2
07:25 AM JT-Cave: loadrt hm2_eth board_ip=10.10.10.10
07:26 AM JT-Cave: in a second terminal do
07:26 AM JT-Cave: halcmd show all hm2 > 7i80-pins.txt
07:27 AM JT-Cave: look for something like encoder.N.counter-mode bit rw
07:28 AM travis_farmer[m]: i will have to do that when i get out to the shop, but i am taking notes
07:30 AM travis_farmer[m]: actualy, i can run out and turn things on and SSH into the computer from in here, if the network isn't temp frozen... hang on
07:40 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok, running check...
07:45 AM travis_farmer[m]: " 7 bit RW FALSE hm2_7i80.0.encoder.00.counter-mode" found for 8 total encoders
07:50 AM travis_farmer[m]: would i set it to true or false for up/down mode?
07:55 AM JT-Cave: true for counter mode
07:55 AM JT-Cave: so it would be setp hm2_7i80.0.encoder.00.counter-mode True
07:55 AM travis_farmer[m]: ok
07:55 AM JT-Cave: encoder.N.counter-mode bit i/o
07:55 AM JT-Cave: Enables counter mode. When true, the counter counts each rising edge of the phase-A input, ignoring the value on phase-B. This is useful for counting the output of a single channel (non-quadrature) sensor. When false (the default), it counts in quadrature mode.
07:56 AM JT-Cave: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
07:56 AM JT-Cave: mesa cards for the most part behave just like the software components
07:56 AM * JT-Cave goes to start his chicken day
07:56 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, go for it!
08:04 AM satiowadahc[m]: Morning, I've been trying to figure out a good way of isolating linear feed rate from angular feedrate. I haven't found elsewhere where its done. my current thought process would be to make it similar to S blocks where S1000 sets all spindles to 1000 (units)/minute. but S1000 $0 in lcnc sets only spindle 0 to 1000. so maybe F1000 $0 and F90 $1 for linear angular?
08:05 AM satiowadahc[m]: or maybe make $X set feedrate of Axis/Joint X...
08:06 AM satiowadahc[m]: this sounds like a deep rabbit hole
08:07 AM travis_farmer[m]: just ordered a Mesa THCAD-10 (from peter, JT was out of stock) :-)
08:15 AM satiowadahc[m]: This makes me chuckle every time. "Interp::_gees[]" the internal state of all G's in the code.
08:16 AM Tom_L: travis_farmer[m], you know mesa has a single channel analog card?
08:17 AM * Tom_L 'goes for it'
08:17 AM travis_farmer[m]: Tom_L: crud, now you tell me, i just bought the THCAD-10 :-(
08:18 AM Tom_L: just tell him here...
08:18 AM Tom_L: he'll swap i'm sure
08:18 AM travis_farmer[m]: where is the analog card, so i know what it is?
08:18 AM Tom_L: looking
08:19 AM Tom_L: alot cheaper too
08:19 AM Tom_L: https://mesaus.com/product/spinx1/
08:20 AM Tom_L: i use the same circuitry for my analog spindle control
08:20 AM travis_farmer[m]: that is for output, not input
08:20 AM Tom_L: oh you need input?
08:20 AM Tom_L: nevermind then
08:21 AM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, my VFD has 0-10V output that can be set to meter frequency, rpm, current, etc...
08:22 AM skunkworks[m]: that seems like a job for mosbus
08:22 AM skunkworks[m]: modbus
08:23 AM Tom_L: hi sam
08:23 AM skunkworks[m]: Hi!
08:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: i found my VFD is very limited with ModBus
08:23 AM travis_farmer[m]: it is a Fuling DBZ312
08:23 AM skunkworks[m]: Happy new year!
08:24 AM skunkworks[m]: I used an arduino to do some analog measuring
08:25 AM travis_farmer[m]: i have several Arduinos, did you make a HAL comp to read the value from the arduino?
08:26 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, you moved the source tree!
08:26 AM unterhaus: probably a silly question, but lcnc doesn't start on a non-rt kernel, right?
08:27 AM Tom_L: for testing it probably would
08:27 AM skunkworks[m]: https://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
08:27 AM Tom_L: sim etc
08:27 AM satiowadahc[m]: https://github.com/DinoMesina/arduinoIO
08:28 AM satiowadahc[m]: If you decrease servo-thread time to 10-20 ms you can run lots of things without realtime kernel for testing purposes
08:28 AM skunkworks[m]: I used it for spindle temp reading.. Adjusting the Z position .
08:28 AM unterhaus: Tom_L, does it gracefully say it's going to start in sim mode?
08:29 AM travis_farmer[m]: Hmm, interesting
08:29 AM Tom_L: you run a sim
08:29 AM Tom_L: there is no sim 'mode' i'm aware of
08:29 AM unterhaus: I have never run a sim config, so I'm confused
08:30 AM Tom_L: from the menu, run lcnc and pick a config
08:30 AM Tom_L: axis sim
08:31 AM unterhaus: but a rt config isn't going to start, right?
08:31 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, no firmware found for the 7i96s
08:31 AM skunkworks[m]: yes - they will start. but you will get realtime errors.
08:31 AM Tom_L: it might but also may produce errors
08:31 AM skunkworks[m]: just ignore them
08:31 AM skunkworks[m]: 🙂
08:32 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, the firmware does not get installed with the tool you have to download it from the menu
08:32 AM Tom_L: dammit!
08:32 AM Tom_L: i'm lazy today
08:33 AM Tom_L: so you have to dl firmware for _each_ card?
08:34 AM Tom_L: did you happen to clean up the old location?
08:34 AM Tom_L: ok that all seems to work
08:35 AM JT-Cave: hmm I got so hung up hunting down a bug I forgot to finish the download menu items
08:36 AM JT-Cave: yea, no point in shipping 200Mb of firmware if you only have one card.
08:36 AM Tom_L: my rpi copy want's to stage 457 changes... that doesn't seem right
08:37 AM Tom_L: i'll wait a bit then
08:40 AM Tom_L: starting fresh with clone
08:42 AM JT-Cave: firmware is 561 items
08:43 AM Tom_L: looks like you're done with the menu..
08:44 AM JT-Cave: yep, do the releases show up on your clone?
08:44 AM Tom_L: it's slow.. still dl
08:45 AM Tom_L: it did on amd64
08:45 AM JT-Cave: edit the last release and copy the deb's to the release
08:45 AM Tom_L: huh?
08:50 AM JT-Cave: breakfast time here
08:51 AM Tom_L: ok building on the pi
08:51 AM Tom_L: breakfast was 3 hrs ago sir
08:51 AM Tom_L: 4
08:57 AM Tom_L: ok git gui doesn't find the new deb now
08:57 AM Tom_L: on the rpi armhf copy
09:00 AM Tom_L: builds alot quicker without the firmware
09:12 AM Tom_L: ok figured out where everything goes now
09:17 AM Tom_L: #71 is up
09:20 AM Tom_L: c101horse[m], what mesa card are you planning to use with the rpi4?
09:29 AM JT-Cave: thanks
09:29 AM Tom_L: are you planning to do the same with the pdfs?
09:30 AM c101horse[m]: The 7i96 i have
09:30 AM Tom_L: 7i96s?
09:32 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, you've come a ways from deleting the repo to mainstream...
09:32 AM Tom_L: good work
09:38 AM roguish[m]: good morning from a very wet Bay Area. over 2" of rain since midnight..... warm though 56F
09:38 AM Tom_L: mudslides on the way?
09:39 AM roguish[m]: for sure.....
09:39 AM Tom_L: or is that further inland
09:39 AM roguish[m]: whiners galore.........too dry, too wet, too anything everything.
09:39 AM c101horse[m]: E i think
09:42 AM Tom_L: glad i don't live in Ca. between the mudslides one season then fires the next...
09:42 AM roguish[m]: at least no tornadoes.....
09:42 AM Tom_L: we can see them coming
09:43 AM Tom_L: Ks is rather flat
09:43 AM roguish[m]: the only thing around here ya can't see coming is earth quake, and they're fun.
09:44 AM Tom_L: we've had a few which we never used to have
09:44 AM Tom_L: but most think they were caused by fracking
09:44 AM roguish[m]: everywhere has something.....
09:45 AM Tom_L: https://www.ipaa.org/fracking/
09:45 AM roguish[m]: we have lots of that too. although I think the state govt is trying to eliminate it.
09:54 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: what city are you in or near?
09:56 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, thanks
09:57 AM Tom_L: wichita
09:59 AM roguish[m]: https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=37.785&lon=-122.422&zoom=8&radar=1&wxstn=0
10:01 AM Tom_L: yay, got out of jury duty on the 3rd
10:02 AM roguish[m]: hang 'em high
10:02 AM roguish[m]: here's the best one for weather https://www.windy.com/?37.988,-122.153,4,i:pressure
10:03 AM Tom_L: i've got that marked as well as another one
10:09 AM JT-Cave: now I need to make the screen 800 x 600... it's just too big
10:09 AM Tom_L: that may be a chore
10:10 AM Tom_L: is all that done in the gui?
10:10 AM Tom_L: qtpyvcp or whatever you're using
10:12 AM JT-Cave: the gui is edited with qt designer
10:13 AM JT-Cave: the python is pyqt5
10:13 AM Tom_L: yeah i wasn't sure what it was called
10:13 AM Tom_L: so qt designer isn't part of pyqt5?
10:15 AM JT-Woodshop: no, pyqt5 is the binding for Qt5 which is c++
10:15 AM JT-Woodshop: qt designer is a qt tool to create the gui
10:16 AM Tom_L: i see
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10:17 AM Tom_L: getting there
10:26 AM JT-Woodshop: yup
11:17 AM Plaid1: So my router takes EOC12 collects... is thatt compatable with any ER collectss?
11:20 AM * Bleepshop returns with the same problem.
11:21 AM Bleepshop: Umpteenth rebuild, Bare metal>11>13>linuxcnc and I still can't run it from the local console without ssh-ing out to a remote box and back to the local machine.
11:25 AM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: You can modify your guide and drop the whole getting/building RT section. linuxcnc-uspace drags in the 6.0.0.6 RT kernel in 13.
11:27 AM JT-Woodshop: ok
11:27 AM Bleepshop: Linux version 6.0.0-6-rt-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc-12 (Debian 12.2.0-9.1) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.39) #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.0.12-1 (2022-12-09)
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11:29 AM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: Show-off! LOL
11:29 AM Bleepshop: Looks good.
11:32 AM JT-Cave: lol
12:50 PM Bleepshop: Would dropping the Debian Desktop in favor of xcfe during the installation cause problems?
12:52 PM pere: Bleepshop: what is 'the Debian desktop'? Gnome? I would expect you to be able to use any Debian provided desktop system, Gnome, KDE, LXDE, Xfce, Mate, etc. :)
12:53 PM Bleepshop: pere: First option for software during the 11 install is Debian Desktop, then it goes to gnome/etc.
12:54 PM Thorhian[m]: Doesn’t the image from LCNC use xfce?
12:55 PM pere: Bleepshop: right. it is just one of many provided desktops
12:56 PM Bleepshop: Not a clue. I'm using JT's 11>13>lcnc build guide and dropping the debian desktop option was one of the biggest gains for latency on this machine.
12:58 PM Bleepshop: pere: Checked 'env' with a direct vs ssh out and back and there are major differences.
01:00 PM pere: Bleepshop: now only to figure out which might be relevant...
01:00 PM travis_farmer[m]: there, got a little work in. my father and i were sizing up some 2" X 8" red oak for some "soil rollers" we make for a good customer. http://solvita.com/product/soil-roller/ then we have to laminate the oak blocks, my father turns them on his lathe, makes the handles (on the lathe), and i bore the centers, insert some bronze bushings, thread the steel-rod centers, and lock-nut the handles on, and cap the ends. :-)
01:01 PM pere: if you do env |sort > via-ssh and env |sort > via-console and then provide 'diff via-ssh via-console' via paste.debian.org or similar, I could have a look.
01:02 PM boozeman[m]: Soil Roller => Seems like traditional Finnish weapon of married women to me 😄
01:02 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
01:03 PM roycroft: i'd make those out of ash
01:03 PM Bleepshop: boozeman[m]: They use them in Mexico for tortillas in addition to the assault possibilities. LOL
01:04 PM travis_farmer[m]: roycroft: so would we, but the lumber suppliers here can't get ash thick enough, and cheap enough
01:05 PM roycroft: the emerald ash borer is more prevalant back east
01:05 PM roycroft: although we still get some eastern ash, we mostly have western ash species here
01:05 PM roycroft: and the borer has arrived in oregon
01:06 PM travis_farmer[m]: they treat the wood with some sort of oil i think to prevent soil from embedding
01:06 PM roycroft: ash is still plentiful here, and relatively cheap
01:06 PM roycroft: that will likely change in a few years
01:07 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, hard to get good wood, cheaply...
01:08 PM travis_farmer[m]: ahh, no innuendo intended...
01:08 PM roguish[m]: travis_farmer: that's so punny
01:08 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
01:09 PM Bleepshop: travis_farmer[m4: And I was about to tell you to try a dating app. LOL
01:09 PM * travis_farmer[m] just shakes his head...
01:14 PM Bleepshop: travis_farmer[m4: You'll have to shake more than that to catch a man. LOL
01:15 PM * Bleepshop is recovering from food poisoning.
01:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: ...and moving right along...
01:15 PM Bleepshop: New Years Resolution: No more roller dogs from the truck stop.
01:16 PM roguish[m]: criminy. we're upt to 3 1/2 inches of rain so far since midnight
01:17 PM Bleepshop: Moving right along on this end will involve figuring out why lcnc is barfing locally or a raspberry pi and some duct tape. LOL
01:19 PM Bleepshop: Other than the fact that I don't like running this headless it's looking better and better as an option.
01:22 PM Bleepshop: It dies right when it's supposed to open the axis window and the toolchange popup.
01:22 PM roycroft: my crimp lugs finally arrived, and i found that i have a die for that size already
01:22 PM roycroft: so it's time to get the winch wiring finished up
01:23 PM * roycroft will be glad to have that project finished
01:39 PM Bleepshop: OK. I've narrowed it down. The axis toolchange popup works but the main window creation is where it's dying.
02:00 PM XXCoder: JT-Cave: your bowl looking good
02:00 PM XXCoder: Happy new year all
02:12 PM Bleepshop: Found it! It's dying trying to use hardware GL. "export LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1" and it fired right up.
02:35 PM Bleepshop: And it's the wierdest thing.. glxegars runs just fine either way.
02:35 PM XXCoder: weird
03:31 PM JT-Cave: XXCoder, thanks
03:32 PM JT-Cave: just got back from Durso Hills Winery
03:32 PM XXCoder: tour?
03:34 PM JT-Cave: dinner
03:34 PM XXCoder: oh its out eat place?
03:34 PM XXCoder: I was thinking wine making place lol
03:36 PM Tom_L: what's on the dinner menu?
03:36 PM Tom_L: trying to decide here..
03:38 PM travis_farmer[m]: on the menu? likely take-out here (a home cooked meal is rare...)
03:39 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L JT. Found my issue. Hardware GL not playing nicely.
03:39 PM XXCoder: we will have minor party this night. includes smoked dogs cooked for hours, some usual party good etc
03:39 PM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm, XX, that sounds better than my take-out... mind if i stop over? ;-)
03:40 PM JT-Cave: prime rib and they make wine too
03:41 PM XXCoder: sorry private party
03:41 PM travis_farmer[m]: :-(
03:41 PM JT-Cave: crab dip appetizer and cream brûlée cheesecake for dessert
03:42 PM XXCoder: travis also, no beer here lol
03:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: remember the deer live webcam in Maine i posted a while back? looks like a full new-years party there, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O03dt_huGtg
03:43 PM XXCoder: one horn deer
03:43 PM XXCoder: is it unicorn techincally?
03:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol, shed one, but not the other
03:43 PM Tom_L: had kc strip last night.. no steak tonight
03:48 PM Bleepshop: Had roller dogs last night, no industrial efluent tonight. LOL
03:53 PM * JT-Woodshop ponders the finish for the bowl
03:56 PM travis_farmer[m]: you thinking a stain color, or just a sealer? if it isn't going to hold water, i would think a real good oil-based polyurethane would highlight the colors of the woods used.
04:02 PM JT-Woodshop: just a clear finish... I have shellac, Tried and True varnish oil, finishing wax and a few other choices
04:02 PM roguish[m]: JT-Woodshop: mineral oil. same ya should use for wood cutting boards. won't spoil like veg oil does
04:04 PM roguish[m]: at least for the inside. don't want to mess up the popcorn, or the popcorn mess up the finish
04:06 PM Tom_L: clear polyester buffed to a high gloss
04:09 PM Tom_L: actually the oils are more appealing
04:09 PM JT-Woodshop: that's a practice bowl the popcorn bowl will be much flatter
04:09 PM Tom_L: we used to spray polyeter and it was a mess to work with
04:10 PM Tom_L: polyester
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04:14 PM JT[m]1: 600... getting there
04:15 PM XXCoder: amazing
04:16 PM JT-Woodshop: :)
04:17 PM CloudEvil: Fun
04:17 PM travis_farmer[m]: looking great, JT! this is my favorite finish: https://www.minwax.com/en/products/protective-finishes/fast-drying-polyurethane
04:17 PM Tom_L: are you gonna try to fill the grain or just finish it?
04:18 PM * roycroft avoids polyurethane whenever possible
04:19 PM travis_farmer[m]: why roycroft? i am curious
04:19 PM roycroft: it's almost impossible to repair/touch up
04:20 PM roycroft: this is my standard finish:
04:20 PM roycroft: https://www.triedandtruewoodfinish.com/products/varnish-oil/
04:20 PM travis_farmer[m]: well, you do have a point there...
04:20 PM Tom_L: you gotta put multiple coats on before it all sets
04:20 PM Tom_L: or it 'layers'
04:20 PM roycroft: but even if you apply it properly, if it gets damaged later on it's very difficult to repair
04:21 PM Tom_L: right
04:21 PM JT-Woodshop: roycroft, can you get t&t to a gloss shine?
04:21 PM roycroft: i see the appeal of it
04:21 PM roycroft: jt-woodshop: i haven't really tried, but it would be difficult
04:21 PM roycroft: if you want a gloss shine, some wax over the varnish oil would help
04:21 PM roycroft: or laquer or shellac
04:21 PM roycroft: lacquer
04:21 PM JT-Woodshop: I thought so, this might just be a dust collector
04:21 PM Tom_L: won't schellac yellow over time?
04:22 PM roycroft: i don't usually go for glossy stuff
04:22 PM roycroft: dewaxes shellac will yellow very little
04:22 PM roycroft: dewaxed, dammit
04:22 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm thinking shellac with a finishing wax
04:22 PM roycroft: yes, i've done that
04:22 PM roycroft: tried & true for several coats, then a couple coats of shellac, then wax
04:23 PM travis_farmer[m]: shellac makes the head swirly ;-)
04:23 PM JT-Woodshop: the actual popcorn bowls will be T&T VO
04:23 PM roycroft: as they should be
04:23 PM roycroft: since that stuff is food safe
04:23 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
04:23 PM roycroft: it's also perfect for cutting boards
04:24 PM travis_farmer[m]: never used T&T, will have to try it on something...
04:24 PM roycroft: it's great stuff
04:24 PM roycroft: BUT
04:24 PM roycroft: 1. apply very very thin coats
04:24 PM roycroft: 2. let it dry for a long time
04:24 PM roycroft: like days between each coat
04:24 PM roycroft: and a couple weeks after the final coat
04:25 PM roycroft: if you do those things you will love it
04:25 PM roycroft: othewise you will hate it
04:25 PM travis_farmer[m]: ok, thanks :-)
04:25 PM roycroft: i don't want you to hate it
04:25 PM roycroft: so do those things
04:25 PM roycroft: so my winch is all ready to go now
04:26 PM roycroft: i haven't pulled on anything with it, but i've hooked it up to the pickup and it has plenty of power
04:26 PM roycroft: those jumper cables i bought for it are just long enough to reach from the driver's side battery to the winch, if it's in the receiver hitch in the back of the truck
04:27 PM roycroft: maybe tomorrow or monday i'll try to pull something with it
04:27 PM roycroft: i have a stump i
04:27 PM Tom_L: climb a tree
04:27 PM roycroft: have been meaning to pull for a while
04:27 PM travis_farmer[m]: first whinch i had, i used it to drag my off-road buggy along the driveway, with all 4 tires locked... i was impressed :-)
04:27 PM roycroft: it's going to be a tough one though - it's an aspen
04:27 PM roycroft: so it's going to have big fat runner roots hundreds of feet long
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04:28 PM XXCoder: roy wouldnt it be best to just dig and chop up runner roots before pull?
04:28 PM * Tom_L wonders if jt ever blows out the fan on the motor
04:28 PM roycroft: looking good
04:28 PM XXCoder: indeed
04:28 PM roycroft: xxcoder: i'm going to have to cut them as i pull
04:28 PM roycroft: i've done this before
04:28 PM roycroft: unfortunately, i don't have a battery sawzall any more
04:28 PM XXCoder: interesting
04:29 PM roycroft: the one i had was for my dewalt system, which i sold
04:29 PM roycroft: i haven't bothered to get a milwaukee one yet, but this stump pull may be the time for that
04:29 PM roycroft: i'm not going to use a chain saw, because i don't want to spend more time sharpening the chain than cutting the roots
04:29 PM XXCoder: ax ;)
04:30 PM XXCoder: nah way too much work, that
04:30 PM * roycroft votes for battery sawzall
04:30 PM travis_farmer[m]: i don't like Milwaukee battery sawzalls, but the corded ones are good
04:30 PM Tom_L: i generally use an axe or pickaxe
04:30 PM roycroft: really?
04:30 PM roycroft: have you used the fuel model, or the regular one?
04:30 PM roycroft: their "fuel" series battery tools are usually better than the corded equivalents
04:30 PM Tom_L: aren't the fuel models brushless?
04:30 PM roycroft: they have brushless motors
04:30 PM roycroft: yes
04:31 PM travis_farmer[m]: the last one i used the battery kept vibrating out from the recip
04:31 PM roycroft: that would be more than annoying
04:31 PM travis_farmer[m]: though it was a while ago...
04:32 PM roycroft: if i get one and it does that it will go right back to the store
04:32 PM travis_farmer[m]: yup, i waited too long, and they wouldn't swap it
04:33 PM roycroft: home depot have the fuel model in stock, and they just send me a 10% off coupon
04:33 PM roycroft: the standard one is $99, tool only
04:33 PM roycroft: the fuel one is $193, tool only
04:33 PM travis_farmer[m]: try it, let me know how it works out :-)
04:34 PM roycroft: that stump is going to be a serious pull
04:34 PM roycroft: it would put the winch to the test for sure
04:34 PM JT-Woodshop: first coat of T&T VO looks pretty good
04:34 PM roycroft: i should probably go for something smaller first
04:34 PM JT-Woodshop: sanded to 800
04:34 PM Tom_L: so JT-Cave your bowl can be a peanut bowl since it's practice
04:34 PM roycroft: but then again, why not just do the big pull?
04:34 PM JT-Woodshop: yup a nut bowl
04:35 PM roycroft: you probably don't need to let the t&t varnish oil cure for days between coats on the lathe
04:35 PM JT-Woodshop: I may just stick to T&T VO
04:35 PM roycroft: the friction of rubbing it in cures it pretty fast
04:35 PM roycroft: i haven't used it on any turnings, because i don't turn much
04:35 PM roycroft: but i bet i could put half a dozen coats on in a day
04:35 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm letting it sit a bit before turning on the lathe and setting it in
04:35 PM roycroft: good plan
04:36 PM roycroft: at least 10-20 minutes
04:36 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
04:36 PM roycroft: i'd still let it cure for a few days after it's all done, but you should certainly be able to accelerate the recoat time
04:36 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: I've been amazed with Harbor Fright's new 20V Bauer line. I've picked up the 1/4" hex impact, 1/2" hammer drill, oscillating multitool and the 4-1/2" grinder. And the amazing part is all of them have survived ME. LOL
04:36 PM JT-Woodshop: I'll put another coat on in the morning... getting close to chicken bedtime
04:37 PM roycroft: the bauer stuff is supposed to be pretty decent
04:37 PM roycroft: hf are putting out some good products these days
04:37 PM roycroft: i got my winch there, and it's rated one of the best on the market
04:37 PM * travis_farmer[m] likes Makita :-)
04:38 PM Tom_L: i have a makita sawzall
04:38 PM roycroft: it's 1/3 the cost of the warner, and actually made better
04:39 PM Bleepshop: IIRC there are only 3 companies making all the cordless tools for Milwaukee, Dewalt, Ridgid, Hitachi, etc, etc.
04:39 PM roycroft: that could well be
04:40 PM roycroft: btw, i've not gotten into the festool cordless stuff at all
04:40 PM roycroft: for most of their cordless tools, i just don't see the advantage over other brands, and they have those expensive, proprietary batteries
04:40 PM travis_farmer[m]: i have built houses with Makita, so i trust them
04:40 PM roycroft: i may get a cordless track saw some day, and if i do, then i'll have some festool batteries
04:40 PM roycroft: and might consider a cordless drill/driver or something
04:41 PM roycroft: but for the most part, i'm happy to stick with milwaukee for cordless tools
04:41 PM roycroft: the one exception is that i bought a ryobi 18v glue gun
04:41 PM roycroft: because milwaukee don't make one
04:41 PM roycroft: but i also bought a milwaukee battery to ryobi tool adapter
04:42 PM roycroft: so i'm good with that tool, without having to make a big investment in batteries
04:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: everyone has their favorite tool brands, just like vehicle brands, etc... i think it all breaks down to what you are doing with it, and how you are doing it
04:42 PM roycroft: and i tell you what, having a battery glue gun on hand in the shop is so nice
04:42 PM roycroft: whenever you're mocking something up or putting a jig together, it can be so handy to just grab that and stick things together really quick
04:43 PM roycroft: at the end of the day, i think that it's more important to stick to a single brand of battery tools than to pick any particular brand
04:43 PM roycroft: almost all the money is in the batteries and the chargers
04:43 PM roycroft: so just get one set of batteries and chargers
04:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: exactly
04:44 PM * JT-Woodshop really likes his new glue bottle
04:44 PM roycroft: every brand is going to have its strengths and its weaknesses
04:44 PM roycroft: did you get a glu-bot?
04:44 PM JT-Woodshop: no did't like that very much, this is just a 2oz squeeze bottle
04:45 PM travis_farmer[m]: even the bluetooth speaker i made takes a Makita battery ;-) (bought an adaptor on eBay)
04:45 PM roycroft: i have a cou8ple glu-bots
04:45 PM roycroft: and some rockler glue bottles, with different heads
04:45 PM roycroft: glu-bots are great as long as you remember to clean the nozzle every time when you're done with it
04:46 PM roycroft: and they're a pita if you forget
04:46 PM JT-Woodshop: yep
04:46 PM JT-Woodshop: https://www.amazon.com/ljdeals-Plastic-Squeeze-Bottles-Condiments/dp/B08PMH33MD
04:46 PM roycroft: for most of my glue-ups i use 2oz condiment cups
04:46 PM JT-Woodshop: similar to that one but just 2
04:46 PM roycroft: the kind you get catsup and stuff in at a restaurant
04:46 PM roycroft: i get them at a restaurant supply store in boxes of 500
04:46 PM roycroft: and i use acid brushes to apply the glue
04:47 PM roycroft: those could be very useful
04:47 PM JT-Woodshop: I like to be able to squirt out a line and either rub the two parts together or use my rockler silicone brush
04:48 PM JT-Woodshop: the rockler silicone brush is great and you can clean it later if you like
04:48 PM roycroft: yes, i have one of those
04:48 PM JT-Woodshop: acid brush always leaves a few fibers behind
04:48 PM roycroft: and it is nice that you can just pull the glue off later
04:48 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
04:49 PM roycroft: i should get back to the shop
04:49 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
04:49 PM roycroft: i need to find a home for the winch - it's currently sitting on top of my table saw
04:49 PM roycroft: it needs a real home
04:50 PM roycroft: as soon as it has a home i can get back to doing woodworking
04:50 PM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm... i fear i may get called upon to go to the store to get supper....
04:51 PM roycroft: i'm all done shopping for the year
04:51 PM travis_farmer[m]: being Autistic, i don't like the public. public is bad, and needs to stay home... ;-)
04:53 PM JT-Woodshop: I thought the winch lived on the front bumper of the truck
04:54 PM travis_farmer[m]: dang, there is the call... time to get my battle armor on ;-) signing off for the night.
04:54 PM roycroft: not yet
04:54 PM roycroft: it's on a hitch mount right now
04:55 PM roycroft: and i only have a rear hitch at the moment
04:55 PM roycroft: i'm either going to install a front hitch as well, or fabricate a front bumper with a winch mount and get another winch to permanently mount there
04:55 PM roycroft: i have not decided which yet
04:56 PM roycroft: i would prefer the front hitch, but there's a transmission cooler way in the front of the 4wd ford pickups that may make it difficult to install
04:56 PM Loetmichel: hehe. Battle armor. $me sadly thinks back 30 years to his Cylon centurion costume made of 6mm thick Glass fibre plastics...
04:56 PM XXCoder: roy front is nicer I would think, because youre looking at stump as you pull
04:57 PM Loetmichel: a shame that that exploded one day while welding on the tornister mechanics (gas tank for the heating/cooling/SFX)
04:57 PM XXCoder: maybe anyway not sure how rear one would work
05:03 PM * JT-Woodshop thinks roycroft has winch fever
05:03 PM XXCoder: yay blondihack
05:04 PM * JT-Woodshop calls it a night
05:04 PM Loetmichel: happy new year everyone. (german :D)
05:04 PM * XXCoder throws some shiny chuff
05:05 PM * JT-Woodshop will be asleep when the new year arrives here
05:05 PM XXCoder: old man
05:05 PM XXCoder: ;)
05:05 PM JT-Woodshop: very much
05:05 PM Bleepshop: Loetmichel: What did you think of the fake CRT idea?
05:05 PM JT-Woodshop: I can remember living in the territory of Alaska...
05:06 PM JT-Woodshop: where I was born
05:06 PM Loetmichel: Bleepshop: thats overdoing it. AND its worse to read the screen if you have a hot formed sheet of plastic in front of it
05:06 PM Loetmichel: idea is nice though
05:07 PM XXCoder: its getting increasing rare to be born before one of states of usa existed
05:07 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: Me too. I also remember permanently switching to military time just to be able to know what day it was.
05:07 PM XXCoder: aug 1959 is last one. hawaii
05:07 PM JT-Woodshop: you were born in the territory of Alaska?
05:08 PM Bleepshop: Loetmichel: No, Coat the inside of the screen and use a LCD/DLP/MEMS projector to create the image.
05:08 PM Loetmichel: yeah, same thing
05:08 PM JT-Woodshop: time to tuck the hens in and read them a bed time story
05:08 PM Loetmichel: the hot formed plastic will have local "lens" effects and Blur
05:09 PM XXCoder: first state is delaware, dec 1787, followed by pennsylvania, dec 1787, few days later
05:10 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: D'Oh! "territory". No I was up there after it became a state. LOL
05:10 PM XXCoder: well unless canada becomes states 51 to 60, im not going to be born before any of states lol
05:12 PM XXCoder: man I love the blondihack drill vise
05:24 PM CloudEvil: XXCoder: In principle, puerto rico and DC
05:25 PM XXCoder: both isnt a state yet
05:25 PM XXCoder: dc might turn most of itself into new state, leaving only tiny DC area (bascially goverment buildings)
05:27 PM CloudEvil: yeah, I mean, they are far more likely to become states in the near future than canada
05:28 PM XXCoder: yeah. canada thing was basically the joke :D
05:41 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Shhh! Don't give them any freaking ideas! LOL
05:41 PM XXCoder: lol
05:44 PM * Bleepshop could easily see some wingnut in DC screaming "We must save our Canadian brethren from the oppressive rule of the British monarchy by annexing them.". :/
06:27 PM roycroft: are you still about, jt?
06:52 PM Tom_L: once the chickens get him, there's no turning back
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07:05 PM Thorhian[m]: That’s cursed
07:06 PM XXCoder: it'll get you all amped up
07:14 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Good way to hide beer in the parts bag. LOL
07:15 PM roycroft: yeah, i figured he was probably done for the night
07:15 PM roycroft: but it doesn't hurt to ask
07:16 PM XXCoder: bleep hah
07:16 PM XXCoder: roy yeah
07:38 PM thunder-gunner[m: Sorry, I'll try not to be idle. I actually learn a lot here reading. I'll talk when I feel like I can add something constructive. If not, I'll just check in periodically so I'm still active.
07:39 PM XXCoder: its always up to you to do whatever you want :)
07:40 PM thunder-gunner[m: I thought, but I got kicked for being idle
07:40 PM XXCoder: oh dunno on matrix thing
07:41 PM XXCoder: im on irc and discord
07:41 PM thunder-gunner[m: probably a bot. IDK, was away for a week for holidays, didn't get on at all. That may have done it
07:41 PM XXCoder: automated likely yeah
07:45 PM Plaid1: My spindle is has an EOC 12 collet in it currently... Can I switch to any other standards, or am I stuck with EOC 12/SYOZ 20
07:47 PM XXCoder: could be wrong but dont think can change, though you can always make adoptor
07:48 PM XXCoder: ie make a tube to hold different standard collet type
07:48 PM XXCoder: one result "EOC 12 / SYOZ 20 / OZ 1833 (DIN 6388) precision collets compatible with Perske spindle motors. "
07:48 PM XXCoder: so im guessing you can ue any of those 3 types
07:49 PM XXCoder: could be lies though
07:49 PM Plaid1: I didn't consider there might be a taper adapter
07:54 PM Plaid1: What I was sort of hoping was to find something like this... https://www.ebay.com/itm/363984128191 Those those might actually work
07:54 PM XXCoder: i dont know whats difference between eoc abd er
07:54 PM XXCoder: *and
07:56 PM Plaid1: EOC has a longer taper... but if the image I linked fits... it just goes on in place of the stock spindle nut, completly ignoring the taper
08:01 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:10 PM roycroft: if you think they may be interchagneable (i'm not familiar with eoc collets), buy one er collet and see if it fits properly
08:11 PM roycroft: you can get imported er collets for next to nothing
08:11 PM roycroft: and if you're really concerned about cost, buy one from somehwere that you can return it, and you're only out the cost of postage if it doesn't work
08:18 PM XXCoder: adoptor apparently exists if plaid have indeed found it
08:18 PM XXCoder: just screws on using collar nut threads so it doesnt depend on taper
08:49 PM _unreal_: I have not uploaded any photos yet but I finished the v1 of the OPI5 case
08:50 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Chrome and leather and acrylic? ;D
08:51 PM * Bleepshop is getting gremlins from gmoccapy
08:55 PM Bleepshop: Correction, they're Hal_gremlins.
08:58 PM Bleepshop: And I have no preview. ARGH!
09:08 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:56 PM _unreal_: https://github.com/berin-aquaquad/orange-pi-5
09:56 PM _unreal_: what cha think
09:59 PM XXCoder: interesting
10:08 PM Bleepshop: _unreal_: Well, I had the acrylic right at least. LOL
10:09 PM Bleepshop: Looks good. Going to add a LiPo in the empty space for a UPS?
10:11 PM Bleepshop: Ah, RTC battery.
10:23 PM _unreal_: the bit about an RTC is more of a question for the comunity trying to solve a quetsion.