#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 27 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:32 AM * Bleepshop is stuffed full of Papa Murphy's Ham and Pineapple pizza and about to start snoring.
12:42 AM XXCoder: welcome back TurBoss
12:44 AM TurBoss: hello
03:27 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning
03:29 AM travis_farmer[m]: 23F with a high of 26F, mostly sunny
04:34 AM Tom_L: morning
06:07 AM travis_farmer[m]: how was everyone's holiday? :-)
06:14 AM JT-Cave: just another cold white winter day here
07:01 AM Tom_L: that about sums it up
07:05 AM travis_farmer[m]: :-(
08:15 AM roycroft: several radio stations are off the air this morning
08:16 AM roycroft: i guess that's what happens when you put your transmitters on the top of big hills
08:37 AM sensille: how would you build a complex probing script? is there a way to write in python, emit short gcode sequences are wait for probing results?
08:37 AM sensille: s/are/and
08:44 AM JT-Woodshop: create subroutines for each probing op and call them in your main program
09:42 AM roguish[m]: JT-Woodshop: JT. did you see cmorley commented in on my problem and your comment in the -devel channel???? way to go....
09:48 AM JT-Shop: yes I saw that
09:49 AM JT-Shop: odd that he even checks for that as that is only for cards like 5i20 and that tool doesn't create a config for that card
09:49 AM roguish[m]: I liked any's reply
09:49 AM roguish[m]: andy's
09:50 AM JT-Shop: yup
09:50 AM roguish[m]: check this.... https://forum.linuxcnc.org/qtvcp/47756-up-to-dateness
09:51 AM roguish[m]: I don't understand why he plays so coy...
09:52 AM roguish[m]: well, mid 50's here. 2 inch of rain last night.....
09:52 AM roguish[m]: out to the shop I go. at least it's warmer now that all of yesterday.
09:55 AM roycroft: it's still blustery here
09:55 AM roycroft: and we just had a power glitch at my house, and at the office as well
09:56 AM roycroft: the wind advisory has been extended to 4pm
10:03 AM unterhaus: our weather is supposed to get better every day until it starts raining for 5 days straight
10:30 AM Loetmichel: Hey, anybody seen a 8inch to 10 inch 4:3 display with touch fit for a raspi4? I am thinking about making a working 1:1 copy of a fallout4 robco terminal.
10:30 AM roycroft: 7" displays for the rpi are commonplace
10:30 AM roycroft: i don't recall seeing slightly larger ones
10:30 AM Loetmichel: well, any hdmi display works
10:30 AM Loetmichel: the problem is more the 4:3 part
10:33 AM roycroft: yeah, i knew immediately when i found that link that it was 4x as much as you wanted to spend
10:34 AM roycroft: your frugality is world-renowned
10:34 AM Loetmichel: is it?
10:34 AM roycroft: indeed, it is
10:34 AM Loetmichel: ouch
10:40 AM roycroft: that's a compliment to an engineer
10:45 AM Loetmichel: its not like i didnt want to spend 300++ eur. i just think its a bit much for a "fun side project between the years"
10:45 AM Loetmichel: after all: that thing will probably sit somewhere in my flat working as a "nice to look at" surfstation and not more
10:57 AM roycroft: well i encourage you to keep looking for something more cost effective
10:57 AM roycroft: but at least you have a solution now
11:12 AM Bleepshop: Loetmichel: Here's a thought. Vacuum form the screen, coat the inside of it and use a pico projector?
11:14 AM Bleepshop: Came up with that idea years ago to lighten up an art installation. It was too many old TV sets as a tunnel and drew about as much power as a small town.
11:14 AM * Bleepshop has to run off and go to work.
11:24 AM unterhaus: it's too bad about pi screens. It's amazing how all the people that sell them found models with really small hands
11:29 AM roycroft: dinosaur screens?
11:30 AM roycroft: the radio stations one one of the hills are back on the air
11:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: or a DLP/LCD projector from behind, people love the daylight brightness
11:56 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we did it for racing games and they could make your eyes water in night scenes when headlights were approaching
12:06 PM roycroft: 120km/h winds on the coast right now
12:06 PM roycroft: not offshore
12:06 PM roycroft: but on the beaches and inland
12:07 PM roycroft: the wind is "only" 50km/h here
12:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://imgur.com/gallery/NZjBHdx don't look if you don't want to be distracted, you have been warned
12:10 PM roycroft: at least we don't have a giant lake full of ice pancakes
12:28 PM unterhaus: roycroft, you live in/near Eugene?
12:29 PM sensille: is it normal that the spindle turns off after a while when i manually turn it on in qtaxis?
12:29 PM sensille: no error messages
12:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like a bug
12:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: ^^
12:33 PM sensille: should i see a message when some estop source is triggered?
12:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: is this behavior only occurring with qtaxis?
12:33 PM sensille: no idea, probably not. testing.
12:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: depends on how you have estop wired
12:35 PM roycroft: i do, unterhaus
12:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for example the VFD might be overheating and you don't have the error output wired into LCNC properly
12:35 PM roycroft: in west eugene, right at the edge of city limits
12:35 PM unterhaus: I just saw a picture of cars collected up on 30th ave.
12:36 PM sensille: CaptHindsight[m]: i see that the UI goes into estop, so it probably is some trigger. also happens with axis
12:36 PM sensille: would be nice to see which source actually triggers, i have several wired together
12:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Eugene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZlXJtLhMQ never saw the video until just now
12:37 PM sensille: of course because they are wired in hal, axis does not know the actual source
12:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: at least you know where to look now
12:41 PM sensille: pullups too small maybe
12:41 PM roycroft: that's on the opposite end of town to me
12:41 PM unterhaus: if it happens all the time and it's getting to the hal level, it seems like you can figure out which one
12:41 PM roycroft: i don't know what is going on there
12:41 PM unterhaus: ice
12:41 PM unterhaus: but I don't know from when, just recently
12:42 PM roycroft: oh, that would have been from sunday
12:43 PM roycroft: and yeah, it's a long, gradual hill up 30th to the community college
12:43 PM roycroft: with a 55mph speed limit
12:43 PM roycroft: people drive crazy up there
12:43 PM roycroft: eugenians speed when road conditions are good, and don't know to adjust for bad conditions
12:44 PM zephyr9900: sensille I have an hardwired E-stop and Axis will show me the state of the external estop
12:45 PM unterhaus: I'm disappointed there is no video
12:45 PM roycroft: did you see the seattle one on queen ann hill?
12:46 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GButmfkNGmg
12:46 PM unterhaus: I never know if those are current it happens so often
12:47 PM unterhaus: I saw that one, around here they save you from having your parked car run into by making it illegal in storms like that
12:48 PM unterhaus: But I imagine they were out of town
12:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the real problem are roads that freeze and no matter how careful you drive once you're going downhill there is no stopping until you meet an opposing force
12:49 PM roycroft: it's hard to do that in seattle, as many neighborhoods have only on-steet parking
12:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: well in Chicago they solved that by towing your car when you are gone
12:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pop up surprise street cleaning gets cars impounded and crushed when you are on vacation
12:52 PM unterhaus: That person is parked partially in a driveway
12:52 PM Plaid1: I'm making a router for cutting sheet metal. But yeah. But not crazy high percision work.
12:52 PM unterhaus: street cleaning is really surprising around here. I think they do it once a year, after they are confident they are not going to use salt any more
12:53 PM roycroft: when i lived in chicago we had some streets that were designated as snow routes
12:53 PM roycroft: and it was illegal to park on those streets when it snowed
12:54 PM roycroft: but most of the residential side streets had on-street parking
12:54 PM roycroft: and folks would famously shovel out a parking spot in front of their house and put a lawn chair there as an indicator that they had dibs on the spot they shoveled out
12:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, every winter on the main streets, so every 0.5 mile grid, Snow Route, so you get towed and impounded
12:55 PM roycroft: and some folks would ignore the lawn chairs
12:55 PM roycroft: and fisticuffs would ensue
12:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: since you are gone they have Zoned residential street parking, so you can't park there without a permit, makes for even more fun
12:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so don't live on a main street with a car unless there is a garage
12:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the side street (residential) will be zoned so when it snows you might have to walk 1/4 mile min. to find the nearest legal parking spot overnight
12:58 PM unterhaus: I was impressed by how hard it was to walk to imts
12:58 PM roycroft: when i left there the city snow plows would plow the parking lots of certain italian and chinese restaurants before they would plow the main arterials
12:58 PM roycroft: i know a lot has changed since then, but i would not be surprised if that has not changed
12:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: that area is even more fun since you can walk to a residential are nearby that you probably should not be in unless well armed
12:59 PM unterhaus: it's always west though, right?
12:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: the corruption is similar, just new faces
01:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: the show is on the lakefront
01:01 PM unterhaus: It seemed like going south from there was okay. North looked sketchy, inland always looks sketchy
01:01 PM unterhaus: but I had a native guide
01:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I used to know where the free parking spots were near there, you had to get there early to get one within 1/2 mile
01:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: now north is all newly developed higher end housing
01:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: west is Chinatown
01:03 PM unterhaus: we walked quite a ways. It was certainly doable though
01:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: south of there is stay away
01:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: I've spent an hour driving around when the lot i wanted to park in was already full
01:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: that is why they run shuttles during big events from downtown (2-3 miles north)
01:05 PM TurBoss[m] is now known as TurBoss8676[m]
01:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Chicago has a long corrupt history, we have had our petty dictators that kept the city running at the cost of progress
01:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bribes were just how things worked
01:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: need new garbage cans, see the alderman, need your street plowed, same plus palm them a $20 (1970's) or $100 (today)
01:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the city didn't get cable TV until the late 80's since it took so long to work out all the kickbacks
01:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: what was it like moving to a place that didn't work that way?
01:19 PM XXCoder: apparently you can buy wood pattern 2020 extrusions lol
01:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: yeah i worked on image anodizing for things like that, all sorts of patterns
01:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://imgur.com/3pLawzP
01:23 PM XXCoder: fun lol
01:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: color anodize is just not tough enough for contact with people
01:28 PM zephyr9900: Hmmm yet another mysterious problem: G95 feeds way too fast: It runs at velocity of 120 ipm which is the max speed for z but should be more like 8 ipm. What is going on?
01:28 PM zephyr9900: %
01:28 PM zephyr9900: (HONDAKICKSTART_MAINE_PROFILE)
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N10 G7
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N11 G18
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N12 G90
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N13 G20
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N14 G53 G0 X10.
01:28 PM zephyr9900: (PROFILE ROUGHING1 2)
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N15 T2 M6 G43
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N17 G54
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N18 M8
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N19 G97 S213 M3
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N20 G95
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N21 G90 G0 X2.875 Z0.1969
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N22 G96 D2000 S160 M3
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N23 G0 Z0.0706
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N24 X0.835
01:28 PM zephyr9900: N25 G1 Z-5.3785 F0.001
01:28 PM zephyr9900: that code run z at 44 ipm
01:29 PM JT-Woodshop: use a pastebin for code
01:33 PM zephyr9900: https://pastebin.com/VsMwASRs
01:34 PM JT-Woodshop: for starters you have an opening % but no closing % which is bad to use anyway, M2 is a better end
01:35 PM JT-Woodshop: a lathe?
01:35 PM zephyr9900: that is not the whole program it ends with M30 then %
01:35 PM JT-Woodshop: drop the % use m30 only
01:35 PM zephyr9900: yes lathe and G96 works fine
01:35 PM JT-Woodshop: ok
01:36 PM JT-Woodshop: brb, no linuxcnc on this pc
01:36 PM unterhaus: I just got a package missing two bolts and a washer. I wouldn't complain, but those washers are pricy
01:36 PM XXCoder: does g95 set the feed speed?
01:37 PM zephyr9900: feed per rev is what it is supposed to do
01:37 PM zephyr9900: my lathe is in G20 inches
01:38 PM XXCoder: ok why im asking is that there was nothing setting feed speed before g95. I dont know about lathe enough to know lathe specific gcode
01:38 PM zephyr9900: the feeds are way off G95 with F0.001 causes a feed of about 44 ipm
01:39 PM zephyr9900: G95 is supposed to put it in the feed per rev mode. Subsequent moves are affected
01:39 PM zephyr9900: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g96-g97
01:39 PM XXCoder: ok guess gonna wait for jt to test things out
01:46 PM zephyr9900: The Gcode overview says % at the beginning and end are optional if the file has an M2 or M30 in it. My post processor put the % s in so I would need to hack the jpost further. Other programs run with the % that don't use the G95
01:46 PM zephyr9900: so I doubt that is the issue. but easy to try ...
01:48 PM JT-Shop: deleting the % and adding M2 at the end and it runs at 7.339 IPM
01:48 PM JT-Shop: line 25
01:49 PM zephyr9900: I just took out the % and no change
01:50 PM JT-Shop: https://paste.debian.net/1265460/
01:51 PM zephyr9900: https://pastebin.com/QwDyDdJp
01:51 PM TurBoss: hello, I need to issue some command plz ingore them thanks
01:51 PM TurBoss: !discord unbridge
01:51 PM zephyr9900: runs the same for me that is the whole program. I only pasted the first part of it before
01:52 PM TurBoss: !discord bridge 970073318357078036 970073318810075149
01:52 PM zephyr9900: So it runs OK for JT-Shop but not me...
01:52 PM TurBoss: !discord bridge 970073318357078036 970073318810075149
01:52 PM TurBoss8676[m]: test
01:52 PM TurBoss8676[m]: done! thanks
01:52 PM xxcoder8265[m]: test
01:53 PM JT-Woodshop: did you test my snippet in the axis sim?
01:53 PM TurBoss8676[m]: travis_farmer yep
01:53 PM travis_farmer[m4: so the bridge is back?
01:53 PM TurBoss8676[m]: 99% uptime
01:53 PM zephyr9900: not yet
01:54 PM travis_farmer[m4: there, one less program to run. great job TurBoss 😄
01:56 PM roycroft: two nines is useless
01:56 PM roycroft: but probably optomistic for irc :)
01:57 PM zephyr9900: JT-Shop I know what is wrong - spindle.M.speed-in IN FLOAT is in RPS but I have it connected to hm2_7i80.0.encoder.02.velocity-rpm
01:58 PM zephyr9900: This is the error in my hal file: net spindle_speed spindle.0.speed-in hm2_7i80.0.encoder.02.velocity-rpm
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: t o nin s is good eno gh sometim s
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anything important is on the forums anyway
02:02 PM JT-Woodshop: zephyr9900, that's an easy thing to get wrong
02:02 PM JT-Woodshop: at least you have it sorted out now :)
02:03 PM XXCoder: awesome that that was resolved
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if bots have to be hosted on your own server and your bot doesn't get every message from IRC, matrix or discord due to common network issues, how can anyone expect it to be reliable?
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but if matrix or discord had bots that you could rent, they would just get abused
02:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like online gaming, abuse becomes the game
02:08 PM * JT-Woodshop goes to the other shop to redesign the segment jig
02:09 PM unterhaus: my favorite insta channel is union_spring
02:09 PM unterhaus: now I want a spring-making cnc machine
02:12 PM roycroft: boingy boingy boingy
02:13 PM XXCoder: wire cnc always look so awesome lol
02:13 PM roycroft: i've made a few springs by hand
02:13 PM roycroft: they can be hard to make
02:16 PM JT-Shop: the most difficult spring I wound was for my high standard slide lock... 0.010" spring wire compression spring with a spacing of 0.010" between the coils
02:17 PM XXCoder: that'd probably be easier if you had resin printers like nowdays
02:17 PM XXCoder: custom shaping
02:19 PM roycroft: the spring i wound for my belt grinder was pretty hard to make
02:24 PM roycroft: just because it was really thick rod and i had to coil it by hand
02:24 PM roycroft: i should have made a jig for it
02:26 PM zephyr9900: Thanks all for helping me resolve my issue. Its interesting that this happens to me and I see it happening to others too. An issue comes up I spend time trying to figure it out then in desperation post the problem. Others try to help but in the end I find my own silly error. I think there is some power in the collaboration even though not direct.
02:26 PM travis_farmer[m4: hey TurBoss , you still have the "'" bug 😉 (just poking fun)
02:27 PM TurBoss8676[m]: hehe
02:28 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, the trick to that might be winding 2 wires at the same time to get the spacing
02:28 PM JT-Shop: that's what I did
02:28 PM Tom_L: then you'd have a spare
02:29 PM Tom_L: i've wound a few springs
02:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: are any analog servo boards currently available?
02:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, better get mesact 'finished' for the inclusion :)
02:30 PM JT-Shop: in a week or two the 7i77 will be available
02:30 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, https://github.com/jethornton/mesact2
02:30 PM Tom_L: i noticed you started another one
02:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop: with a new part number?
02:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 7i77h or z or somethin?
02:31 PM Tom_L: should i be cloning that one too?
02:31 PM JT-Shop: nope, the 7i77 is not a fpga card it's a daughter card
02:31 PM JT-Shop: wait a bit on that one...
02:32 PM Tom_L: if they're gonna do that they will likely handle the debs themselves
02:32 PM Tom_L: once it's submitted
02:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'll call it the 7i77 -n for new
02:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: two can play that game
02:32 PM Tom_L: q
02:33 PM JT-Shop: it's the same 7i77
02:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 7i77 -bc is the old model, before covid
02:35 PM Tom_L: -ad
02:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 7I77 / 7I77D the D is for sinking obviously
02:36 PM * JT-Shop goes feed the hens some wheatgrass
02:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: didn't some almost put together a decoder for the part numbers?
02:41 PM roycroft: wheatgrass?
02:41 PM roycroft: that's hippie juice
02:41 PM * roycroft never knew jt's chickens were hippies
02:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: looking for advice: when (or if) i get my tax return back, would i be better to get this ATC 4.5KW spindle combo ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091CM4JJ7/ ), or this ATC 3KW spindle combo ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/275031003909 ). the advantage of the 4.5KW is the air control valves are internal, as opposed to completely separate on the 3KW spindle. my machine is 48" X 48" (working area), and currently has a dying Perske non-ATC 5HP.
02:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: i will be working with wood, mostly.
02:42 PM Tom_L: max tool size?
02:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: likely my 1.25 (or 1.5) surfacing cutter
02:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: inch
02:45 PM Tom_L: air cooled will suck dust into the motor
02:45 PM travis_farmer[m]: ok, i considered that. will 3KW do the job?
02:46 PM Tom_L: figure 1.5" cutter in hardwood and do the HP math
02:52 PM roycroft: not to mention an air-cooled spindle will destroy your hearing
02:52 PM XXCoder: good thing mine is infinitely destroyed anyway lol
02:52 PM travis_farmer[m]: hmmm, says it will do it, if i keep the feed down. i will have to check the max speed of that cutter
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you can bend sheet metal you can easily use the air cooled spindle
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like most Chinese tools, it's only partially assembled for you
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't let some simple sheet metal fabbing stop you
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can do it!
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you're a machinist, not a carpenter!
02:57 PM travis_farmer[m]: not sure of your plan with the sheet metal... fashion an air/sound diverter?
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: air does not travel through sheet metal very quickly
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, you direct the air
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you control the flow, speed, sound etc
02:58 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, that should be simple enough :-)
02:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have a water cooled spindle that still has fans on the spindle motor
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's almost as loud as the hydraulic pump for the tool changer and spindle ATC
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: improvise, improve, overcome
03:01 PM travis_farmer[m]: being a woodworking shop, i will likely have hearing protection anyway ;-)
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: be the Marine of CNC machines!
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can do vs can don't
03:02 PM roycroft: i'm pretty amazed by how little some woodworkers care about their vital organs
03:02 PM travis_farmer[m]: how so?
03:02 PM roycroft: present company not included, of course
03:03 PM roycroft: not wearing eye and ear protection, not using guards on machinery and getting their hands close to cutters, not wearing respirators or having adequate ventilation while working with toxic volatile substances
03:04 PM roycroft: it's almost a matter of pride with some folks to defy common sense safety measures
03:04 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, i think it is the "big strong worker" attitude some have
03:04 PM roycroft: indeed
03:05 PM roycroft: and, of course, "gubiment can't tell me what to do"
03:05 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, that too lol
03:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E12AQFIP4tXw9bdhg/article-cover_image-shrink_600_2000/0/1520208659589?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=45Op-ro0MgJm4zlWIX03KFGOgCnhdbgNx4IDtsjEEhY
03:05 PM roycroft: "i'll show them - i'll kill myself to prove to them that they can't stop me from killing myself"
03:05 PM roycroft: there's a *lot* of that going around
03:06 PM JT-Shop: hmm I forgot about Boxing Day
03:06 PM roycroft: so you gave nothing to the servants this year?
03:07 PM roycroft: what a scrooge!
03:07 PM JT-Shop: they got wheat grass and chicken crack
03:08 PM * roycroft chose to break his long-standing tradition of making the annual trek to the mall on boxing day to buy calendars at 50% off
03:08 PM roycroft: my new tradition is to order calendars online at 50% off
03:08 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for next year or this year?
03:10 PM travis_farmer[m]: it's cheaper to buy last years ;-)
03:10 PM XXCoder: 8 years ago is cheaper, and aligned correctly
03:10 PM XXCoder: in least thats what I remember anyway
03:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: see, a true money saving tip
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.reference.com/science-technology/calendar-repeat-itself-6348a8075e70592a
03:12 PM XXCoder: fun
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: During this century, the pattern will hold to an 11-11-6 pattern
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but a 2024 calendar won’t repeat itself again until 2052
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: because numbers
03:26 PM roycroft: repetition is boring
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: pro tip: trade air velocity for volume to reduce the sound
03:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and avoid resonance or you get this https://youtu.be/VEZH-G3NRQ0?t=325
03:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: organist is to organ as organism is to ______ ?
03:47 PM travis_farmer[m]: "organ" i presume...
03:55 PM travis_farmer[m]: somebody reminded me, i wanted to post a picture of a decorative rolling pin my father made. :-)
03:55 PM * travis_farmer[m] uploaded an image: (7275KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/zllHjfGKQzPeSylNufkZhzkj/IMG_0153.JPG >
03:57 PM JT-Shop: nice
03:57 PM travis_farmer[m]: can't remember how he made it, but i know it took a lot of cutting and glueing
03:59 PM travis_farmer[m]: and turning on the lathe, of course ;-)
04:01 PM JT-Shop: https://thepatriotwoodworker.com/profile/3380-lew/
04:04 PM XXCoder: thats cool travis
04:04 PM XXCoder: https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/zwd7ta/ive_made_3d_printed_universal_wrench_patented/
04:04 PM XXCoder: lol
04:05 PM XXCoder: hand tool resuce guy recreate it in steel, and that reddit poster re-designed it and 3d printed it
04:05 PM XXCoder: im kinda tempted to 3d print it too. such a strange tool
04:06 PM travis_farmer[m]: looks convenient to use in a tight place, too ;-)
04:06 PM XXCoder: ironically the handle part can literally handle everything tool can do.
04:06 PM XXCoder: alligator thing is real genius of it
04:07 PM travis_farmer[m]: i hope to get into wood turning when i get my real shop built. looks like fun
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.mybotshop.de/Voltera-NOVA_1 65.450,00 € WTF?
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XY tool positioning accuracy: +/- 15μm
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: weight is only 35Kg
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Print area: 220 mm x 300 mm (8.7" x 11.8")
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: File formats: Gerber
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Interface: browser-based web app
04:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: paste extruder nozzle
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20221004005006/en/Voltera-Launches-World%E2%80%99s-First-Printer-for-Soft-Stretchable-Electronics
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hah
04:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and several $k's for the work holding clamp kit
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.voltera.io/store/nova-mounting-hardware-set $1500 for some small clamps
04:50 PM XXCoder: promo video do not actually show machine working
04:50 PM XXCoder: head start moving - cut to something else
04:51 PM XXCoder: head moves down, cut to guy diving into water
04:52 PM XXCoder: clamp set is overengineered
04:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's a 2d plotter with a syringe type dispenser that uses a camera for feedback to help you calibrate the extrusion rate
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the print area uses a porous titanium vacuum plate to hold down flexible materials
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hah, it snowed what last Thursday/Friday and just now they are plowing our lot
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: the video is for the check signers, not the actual lab operators
05:05 PM XXCoder: yeah
05:05 PM XXCoder: sure as heck dont tell me much of anything lol
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44p7XRPi9_g
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHha6fkvxb0
05:13 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdVkiWLWTE
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not sure if the gantry is belt or screw driven
05:15 PM XXCoder: im pretty sure its fine either way as long as backlash is adjusted away
05:15 PM XXCoder: since sideload is tiny
05:15 PM unterhaus: don't show that kit to send cut send, they'll get ideas
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i am raising my prices
05:18 PM Tom_L: working less hours to compensate?
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: usually anything over $5k requires approval from some "formal" person or persons
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so it might as well be $65k
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no Z axis range mentioned
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like maybe 25-50mm
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: closer to 25mm
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and it has built in tool height gauge
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and probe
05:30 PM unterhaus: I know why the clamp kit costs that much. People just throw it on the order even though the price is obnoxious
05:30 PM unterhaus: done it myself
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how much CNC mill does $65K buy today?
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: yes, the bundles
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: OTOH getting your purchases approved can also be a really annoying process so you just get everything
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: $50K https://mdaprecision.com/products/benchtop-milling-machines/5-axis-cnc-systems/tn5-v8-tc8/
05:49 PM JT-Woodshop: Ballad of Curtis Lowe
05:53 PM unterhaus: I think you can get small cnc and large cnc for the same money. How much does the small haas cost now?
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i was trying to find their price
05:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tormach is only $40k fully loaded
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.haascnc.com/machines/vertical-mills/desktop-mill.html unterhaus
05:56 PM JT-Woodshop: haas has too many buttons
05:56 PM unterhaus: I was thinking of one of the toolroom mills, which start at 32000
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Haas looks like $32k for the smallest floor standing model
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then $37K for their "larger" travel mill
05:57 PM unterhaus: it's a POS, but if you have the money to fix it occasionally it's fine
05:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: that model probably competes with Chinese CNC, same price, same headaches but made in USA
05:58 PM unterhaus: ours broke a couple of times, but we had it for 10 years
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.haascnc.com/machines/vertical-mills/mini-mills/models/minimill-edu.html
05:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vs https://www.haascnc.com/machines/vertical-mills/toolroom-mills/models/tm-1.html
05:59 PM unterhaus: and at least one of the failures was the machinist's fault
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh, i broke a brand spanking new double 3/8 endmill the other day, I missed pressing the Z button and spun the dial on the RPG
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they do snap right in half
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was only 2 cuts old
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: did they crash the spindle into something?
06:02 PM unterhaus: I don't really remember.
06:03 PM unterhaus: he bought a bigger mill with a centroid control on it and mostly used that
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Woodshop: that is the main complaint I hear about LCNC, no physical buttons
06:03 PM unterhaus: but when he needed to run 2 jobs at once he used the haas
06:04 PM unterhaus: lcnc and a 7i73 can have lots and lots of buttons
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: operators used to big physical buttons don't want a touch screen or mouse and display
06:05 PM unterhaus: the toolroom haas mostly had a keyboard made out of buttons
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: did you see that Siemens clone using LCNC on the forums?
06:05 PM unterhaus: no, link?
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'll dig
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/30-cnc-machines/41429-sinumerik-controlpanel-with-linux-cnc
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELJM7SbS2HM
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there is a newer one that i can't find now
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G60XEn0OEw
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: unterhaus: ^^
06:26 PM unterhaus: would be nice to buy the panel
06:26 PM Tom_L: haas?
06:27 PM unterhaus: no, the haas panel is too much
06:27 PM Tom_L: the vo'tech has a classroom full of those as sims
06:27 PM Tom_L: yeah it's alot
06:27 PM unterhaus: the centroid control was pretty nice. It was 90% touchscreen
06:28 PM unterhaus: it was the full $ one, not the acorn
06:30 PM unterhaus: then again, all I did with that was adjust the settings because the machinist couldn't deal with lying to a computer
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lots of wasted time and energy on GUI's for CNC
06:30 PM unterhaus: if lying to a computer is wrong, I don't want to be right
06:31 PM unterhaus: that's why mach is so popular though
06:31 PM unterhaus: you can make your own gui as long as it's okay to look like a slot machine
06:43 PM CloudEvil: What's needed is an 'AI' interface layer that you can either feed pictures of cyberpunk and 1920s dystopian scifi, manual machines or 1970s computer.
07:01 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: thanks for the WinSCP. I'll give it a try.
07:24 PM roguish[m]: good night gentlemen........................
07:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: soon enough you'll have shops asking for similar gui's that are what's on smartphones
07:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: since that is what people are familiar with
07:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: swipe 3 fingers from left to right for increase feedrate
07:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: at least they won't ask for a version of minority report
07:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJqbivkm0Ms
07:32 PM Tom_L: roguish[m], i also use filezilla on windoz
07:32 PM Tom_L: just depends which one i click on
08:47 PM roycroft: well our high wind warning has just ended
08:47 PM roycroft: to be immediately replaced with a flood watch
08:47 PM XXCoder: still have power i see
08:47 PM XXCoder: seems my sis area lost power
08:48 PM roycroft: and there is still a gale watch on the coast
08:48 PM XXCoder: and other city lost
08:48 PM roycroft: and a hazardous seas warning
08:48 PM roycroft: we had a power glitch early this morning, but my upses handled it
08:48 PM XXCoder: what happened with power?
08:49 PM roycroft: it just flickered a couple times
08:49 PM roycroft: but it was experienced all over town, so it wasn't a local substation thing
08:49 PM roycroft: it was probably a bpa thing
08:50 PM XXCoder: might be the case with my sis area
08:50 PM XXCoder: thats why im concerned
08:50 PM roycroft: or maybe there was another domestic terrorist act
08:55 PM XXCoder: who knows
10:22 PM XXCoder: light flickering. fun
10:33 PM * Bleepshop returns from the birthday rounds...
10:35 PM Bleepshop: I got a $200 bonus at work, brownies , cookies and enough other things that Snoop Dogg should be knocking on my door in 30 minutes or less. LOL
10:37 PM Bleepshop: Anybody got a clue why I can fire up linuxcnc via ssh without a problem but it barf with a GL error at the console.
10:38 PM XXCoder: thats a puzzle allright yeah
10:39 PM XXCoder: my best guess is somehow running it directly makes it use more memory
10:52 PM Bleepshop: I still think it's an error in my use of pncconf. I've got another one that errors but fires up either way.