#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 24 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM Plaid: ....Okay, strange behavior that's making me call it a night: I took the breakout board that leads to my encoder off of the mesa card, and powered it with a 9v battery and a voltage regulator to get it to 5v. I get 5v between +a/-a, +b/-b, +z/-z. So far so good. I take it out to the garage, replace the 5v regulator with the 5v from the mesa card.... and a+/a- is now 0v. II only changed the power supply!
12:09 AM Plaid: I didn't connect or disconnect anything, I just moved the whole setup to the garage, unscrewed the +5/gnd and plugged in the +5/gnd from the mesa card! Oh wiring.
12:09 AM Plaid: I'm calling it a night, but that's a sign of some lose wires somewhere
12:37 AM Bleepshop: Plaid: Is the card set to provide power?
12:40 AM Bleepshop: And Holy Crap that helped a lot. Changed out gdm3 for lightdm. -27 , 2.4 , 20 at the console.
12:41 AM Bleepshop: I wonder if it was all the froo-froo desktop effects crap going on?
12:43 AM jpa-: Plaid: could be short circuit between chassis and some wire
01:17 AM Bleepshop: Got Kodi loaded on it and chewing on my video collection now. -68, 2.8, 70. Whee! :D
01:36 AM Deejay: moin
03:48 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning. well, cable internet went out sometime last night... (very high winds) i am on my cell-phones wifi hotspot on my laptop... and being a holiday, it won't be fixed for quite a while...
03:50 AM travis_farmer[m]: crud... just remembered, our house phone comes in over the cable... so no holiday calls from well-wishers...
04:54 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:03 AM travis_farmer[m]: odd, my cable internet and phone service is out, but cable tv still works fine...
06:15 AM Tom_L: morning
07:35 AM * JT-Cave head out to start some fires
07:46 AM JT-Shop: not too bad in here it's 50°F
07:56 AM JT-Woodshop: 55°F in here
07:57 AM travis_farmer[m]: 15F in my shop...
08:08 AM JT-Cave: warmer down here...
08:36 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.seeedstudio.com/LinkStar-H68K-0232-p-5499.html the 2GB ram version is only $90
08:37 AM CaptHindsight[m]: lots of similar devices will be showing up soon using the rk356x's
08:38 AM roguish[m]: good mornibg all. well, still having NIC timeout problems with my 7i80. the mill Asrock mb also hase a Realtek on board NIC.
08:41 AM roguish[m]: What brand and model of add-on usb NIC does not have these horrible timeout problems???
08:44 AM travis_farmer[m]: my machine has a onboard Broadcom NIC. firmware for debian is only in the non-free, or something, but it works good for me.
08:45 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
08:47 AM roguish[m]: What
08:47 AM roguish[m]: debian and lcnc
08:47 AM roguish[m]: versions are your runnign ????
08:47 AM travis_farmer[m]: i am using debian buster (10) and LCNC 2.9
08:48 AM roguish[m]: ah, back on 10. cool. that's what runs my big bridgeport
09:13 AM Tom_L: roguish[m], why usb nic?
09:13 AM Tom_L: what about pcie?
09:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the NORAD and Google Santa trackers are not in sync again this year, something fishy is going on!
09:24 AM Bleepshop: CaptHindsight[m]: You know you've got problems when the goverment can't even get it's lies straight. LOL
09:26 AM Tom_L: Bleepshop, which branch? NORAD or Google?
09:26 AM Bleepshop: Left the machine running all night. Went for worst case loading on the machine. Which is I suddenly went nuts and decided to watch hi-def video for hours.
09:26 AM Bleepshop: Tom_L: YES.
09:27 AM Bleepshop: Came back to -112, 3.8, 112 after letting histogram run all night with Kodi and 6 glxgears.
09:35 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: thought about it again. don't want usb, can use a pcie. have one slot open. how are Broadcom nic?
09:36 AM Tom_L: idk
09:36 AM Tom_L: most of mine are realtek
09:36 AM Tom_L: but i'm not using ethernet on the mill
09:38 AM Bleepshop: Has anybody tried building a headless machine and then controlling it via 'ssh -X' ?
09:39 AM Bleepshop: I got the latency numbers to crater last night when I tried remote access vs direct console access.
09:39 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
09:40 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it's been done
09:41 AM Tom_dev: roguish[m], my test pc is a pcie realtek and i just ping'd it
09:41 AM Tom_dev: 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.213 ms
09:41 AM Tom_dev: 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.212 ms
09:41 AM Tom_dev: 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.209 ms
09:41 AM Tom_dev: 64 bytes from 10.10.10.10: icmp_seq=12 ttl=64 time=0.212 ms
09:41 AM Bleepshop: CaptHindsight[m]: Kind of figured that. There is no such thing as an original sin in this age of plagarism. I just wanted to know what the outcome was. LOL
09:42 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it works fine with proper hardware and configuration
09:43 AM Bleepshop: So I could in theory bury this machine under the table and use an RPi stuck to the monitor as a thin-client to control it.
09:44 AM Tom_dev: seems like a risk but ok
09:47 AM Bleepshop: Tom_dev: I watched the latency drop from -90, 2, 90 to -9, 0.4, 9 with SSH vs standing at the console.
09:49 AM Bleepshop: I have noticed in the past that offloading the display to a different machine can speed up whatever massively. I learned that ~25 years ago as a matter of fact and still try it when appropriate. LOL
09:49 AM Tom_dev: give it a go
09:50 AM Tom_dev: i look at it as one more link to fail
09:50 AM Tom_dev: but may work great up to that point
09:54 AM Bleepshop: BBL. Got to go pick up a load of firewood before I literally freeze something off instead of just doing it figuratively.
10:24 AM roguish[m]: Tom_dev: installing a debian 10.2 with a 4.xx kernel on a spare ssd. going to see if it works better
10:28 AM roguish[m]: and I'll dig through my junk boxes and see if I have a pcie broadcom nic...... if not, it'l be another $23 for bezos
11:05 AM _unreal_: So I got this display from a "precor" FITNESS thing. one of those things that has a smart display.
11:06 AM _unreal_: its got some 700mhz ARM cpu that has built in 3d. It boots off of a USB disk and its clearly running linux
11:06 AM _unreal_: dont have time to mess with it right now but it would be interesting to figure out booting it to an open linux
11:09 AM _unreal_: this one https://www.precorhomefitness.com/products/precor-rbk-685-recumbent-bike
11:15 AM acer: god endless internet issues
11:24 AM roycroft: we're going to have a lot more power and internet issues here next week
11:24 AM roycroft: with all the rain that's coming we'll have trees down all over the place, and thus, utility poles down all over the place
11:27 AM acer is now known as _unreal_
11:30 AM roguish[m]: roycroft: we're supposed to get some of that rain Tuesday thru Thurs.
11:32 AM _unreal_: its even cold here
11:32 AM _unreal_: 51F outside, for south florida thats WTF level
11:32 AM _unreal_: and normally we only see that in the middle of JAN
11:33 AM roycroft: we may reach a record high tomorrow
11:36 AM _unreal_: looks like there may be some big actions next week by/before the 28th of DEC. the court case is heating up on my MMTLP stock. Its $$$ bigger then FTX in regards to the level of fraud. estimated to have defrauded about $330 billion so far..
11:38 AM _unreal_: I hope the judge rules to FORCE Finra to un halt it and let it open trade close LET/force shorts to close with the 2 days they were given as before. I'm hoping for high 4 digits to 5 digits and I could retire considering the number of shares I have.
11:39 AM _unreal_: Oh and my father is out of the hosptial again. My siblings where here last week when he was in the hospital. we were talking with the doctors. Only to learn dad's been dishing more lies.
11:40 AM _unreal_: ugh... as to my new cnc build, its been more or less on pause do to the christmas rush
11:40 AM _unreal_: I may start doing stuff on it come monday
11:40 AM _unreal_: I only have a few parts to build/finish just to make it "working"
11:41 AM roycroft: i've been dealing with this special election for the past month + instead of working on my cnc router design
11:41 AM _unreal_: ?
11:41 AM roycroft: i have a couple days off from that, though, so i may get some work on it done over the weekend, in between other obligations
11:41 AM _unreal_: oh roycroft you heard I just got my orange pi in the mail yesterday 16gb ram version
11:41 AM roycroft: i am the secretary for a non-profit, and the membership submitted a petition to remove one of the directors
11:42 AM _unreal_: OPI5
11:42 AM roycroft: it's my duty to call for and conduct a special election to decide the matter
11:42 AM _unreal_: o.O fun
11:42 AM roycroft: we just completed our board election at the end of october
11:43 AM roycroft: this was supposed to be my slow time, before getting ready for next year's fair in the spring - i was supposed to have a couple months off
11:43 AM roycroft: but now i'm busier than ever
11:43 AM roycroft: i work my full-time job, and with this petition and special election business i've been putting in 30-35 hours/week on the non-profit as well
11:44 AM * roycroft was exchanging emails the attorney until close to midnight last night
11:44 AM _unreal_: roycroft, if you want to see some real massive BS look into twitter #finrafraud ITS just mind blowing how bad the market corruption is at this point. And the people in the mmtlp play have found strong links top the FTX bs as well.
11:44 AM roycroft: if i get 20 minutes/day into spend in my shop im lucky
11:45 AM roycroft: yeah, i have seen some reports on that
11:45 AM _unreal_: 20min thats called a bathroom break
11:45 AM roycroft: i'm not surprised that it might have been rigged
11:45 AM roycroft: /r people can be pretty easily manipulated
11:46 AM roycroft: i bought some amc stock when that was just starting
11:46 AM _unreal_: I was suposed to get shares in the oil company going privet. and get quarterly payment dividends for the life of the company. looks like now no one knows who even owns the real shares and there is likely BILLIONS of synthetics. And I'm an original holder.
11:46 AM roycroft: and with the split, it's gone up in value faster than the rate of inflation
11:46 AM roycroft: but it's not up close to 1000% like it was a year or so ago
11:47 AM _unreal_: if AMC does this BS 1 for 10 R/S I'm selling for a loss and taking my tax break. the AMC moass is over.
11:47 AM roycroft: well i hope they get it sorted, and you recover some of your investment
11:47 AM _unreal_: the MMTLP stuff likely
11:47 AM _unreal_: if I could get $10k a share..... I'm a VERY VERY happy person
11:48 AM * roycroft would like to see some serious financial reforms, but isn't going to expound on that here
11:49 AM _unreal_: I'm heading out to do some final shopping in a few...
11:49 AM roycroft: i've pretty much decided to just buy my complete y axis motion control system components from avid cnc instead of fabricating parts of them myself
11:49 AM roycroft: that's the next step in my model
11:49 AM _unreal_: considering the size your dealing with. that is likely a better solution
11:50 AM _unreal_: My current new build is too small for spending the money
11:50 AM roycroft: i'll still do x an z myself, but their y axis drive, with the spring-loaded pinions, is pretty much ideal for me, and doesn't cost much more than the rat materials and parts would cost me
11:50 AM _unreal_: besides my mini mill is big enough to make all the parts for the new machine
11:50 AM roycroft: and it would save me a lot of fabrication work
11:50 AM roycroft: raw materials, rather
11:50 AM _unreal_: ya
11:50 AM roycroft: i try to avoid rat materials
11:51 AM _unreal_: ya they are shit
11:51 AM roycroft: it's taken me a long time to decide this, but i am there now
11:51 AM roycroft: so i can proceed with the design work
11:51 AM _unreal_: oh I just got a free pc few days ago as well
11:51 AM roycroft: that's actually what's been holding me up for at least a couple months
11:51 AM _unreal_: turned it on
11:51 AM _unreal_: one of the people in my area tossed it out
11:51 AM roycroft: besides the having no time to work on it bit
11:52 AM _unreal_: so turns out its an i7 extream. with 48GB ram
11:52 AM _unreal_: 3.6GHZ
11:52 AM roycroft: you can do things with that
11:52 AM roycroft: with a decent disk controller it would make a nice nas
11:52 AM _unreal_: So now I have two i7's that have been tossed out by neighbors
11:53 AM _unreal_: ya... only thing that sucks is the high powered one the person removed a lot of stuff from the case, drive,gpu,dvd. Left everything else though.
11:54 AM _unreal_: well I'm off
11:55 AM unterhaus: I have a package coming from the UK. Went to new jersey, pennsylvania, now it's in Indiana
11:56 AM unterhaus: supposedly working its way back to Pennsylvania
11:57 AM unterhaus: actually, it went from new jersey, to pennsylvania, back to new jersey and then to Indiana
11:57 AM * roycroft wonders what a "coffee break" is
11:59 AM unterhaus: harbor freight has a "no exclusions" coupon. It lists a number of exclusions at the bottom
12:01 PM roycroft: yeah, i saw that
12:01 PM roycroft: they just sent it to me, and i got one of their credit cards recently, to get the 5% off
12:01 PM roycroft: i got that so i could save money on the winch i just bought
12:02 PM roycroft: and i was thinking of getting something else that was on sale when i got that coupon
12:02 PM roycroft: but wisely decided to read the fine print
12:07 PM Tom_L: unterhaus, if you're coming from that far away wouldn't you wanna take a tour first?
12:07 PM unterhaus: they could have at least sent it to somewhere nice
12:07 PM travis_farmer[m]: Tom_L: LMAO :-)
12:07 PM unterhaus: parts of New Jersey are nice, but not where it was
12:10 PM roycroft: they got confused
12:10 PM roycroft: since dr oz lives in new jersey but says he lives in pennsylvania, the postal service thought new jersey was part of pennsylvania
12:11 PM travis_farmer[m]: dr oz used to be a surgeon in maine...
12:13 PM roycroft: this is why i don't understand why people want to become politicians
12:13 PM roycroft: you either destroy your reputation by the ridiculous things you have to do to get elected
12:14 PM roycroft: or you destroy your reputation by the ridiculous things you have to do after you're elected
12:14 PM roycroft: it seems there are other, less embarrassing career paths that one could take
12:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: true... oz wasn't even a good dr. i think i remember the hospital he was at fired him for some reason...
12:15 PM roycroft: make parts, not laws
12:15 PM roycroft: that's my motto
12:15 PM roycroft: but don't make pillows
12:15 PM roycroft: please
12:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: "make parts, not laws" i can raise my cup to that! :-)
12:16 PM travis_farmer[m]: LOL
12:16 PM * roycroft decides to turn a cylinder into a pinion gear in solidworks
12:18 PM * travis_farmer[m] wonders if "/me" works in matrix...
12:47 PM * travis_farmer[m] browses eBay for air solenoids, in case he goes with a 3KW ATC spindle, VS a 4.5KW ATC spindle...
01:01 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Agreed like prositution or collecting sperm samples from rhesus monkeys. ;D
01:02 PM Bleepshop: Still at -112.8, 3.8, 112 for this histogram after 44,800+ seconds of runtime.
01:05 PM Bleepshop: That's with 6 glxgears and Kodi running fullscreen video as a background.
01:07 PM * CloudEvil imagining glxgears with the option to display as different axis.
01:09 PM Bleepshop: Or a ramdom pan/zoom thrown in.
01:49 PM Bleepshop: Does anybody know if hostmot2 will let you close the loop with encoders on the stepper shafts and offload an entire X/Y/Z move or set of moves to the FPGA?
01:55 PM Bleepshop: I've got 200step/rev Nema34 steppers with a 4:1? 5:1? [need to count the pulleys] [shitload of steps/in.] and it would be so easy to add an encoder to the stepper and have 0.00125" or 0.0001" accuracy
02:01 PM unterhaus: the worst part of my parcel going on all this unneeded travel is that it has been some of the worst travel days of the year
02:01 PM unterhaus: well, since last thursday anyway
02:02 PM Bleepshop: unterhaus: Yes, but it's well traveled now and may have learned culture and refinement. ;D
02:02 PM Bleepshop: unterhaus: Got to look on the bright side. LOL
02:05 PM roycroft: it hasn't been to austin yet, though
02:06 PM Bleepshop: My point exactly.
02:17 PM DigitalReaper: a rotary encoder will give you resolution, not accuracy. for that you want a linear encoder (ie. the things they use on DROs)
02:20 PM * JT-Woodshop would really like to start cutting the chevron feature ring parts but figures blood stained parts won't look too good so I wait
02:21 PM travis_farmer[m]: "what a lovely red stained wood! what did you use for stain?" LMAO :-)
02:22 PM Bleepshop: A rotary plus backlash compensation will probably be more than I need and a lot easier to install since this thing is a total beast. 48"+x48"+ and the shipping is likely going to be more than the scales.
02:22 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: Stop hacking bits off. You've got a limited regeneration rate.
02:23 PM XXCoder: doubt you can have large coverage of that "staining agent" lol
02:24 PM travis_farmer[m]: i wonder how far 8 pints would go... (not gonna try it)
02:24 PM DigitalReaper: technically nobody said it had to be human blood
02:25 PM Bleepshop: travis_farmer[m]: Depends on how far you water it down. Figure 200 sq/ft for straight. ;D
02:25 PM JT-Woodshop: all I have to do is touch something that looks sharp and out it comes
02:25 PM DigitalReaper: not that i'm saying it couldn't be... I mean i'm sure there are plenty of family get-togethers happening soon that could do with an annoying guest or two going missing...
02:26 PM XXCoder: including pictures of knife blade? ;)
02:26 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: That's OK. We had an idiot at work try to lose a finger to a tablesaw for workers comp. With a SawStop saw. 3 times. LMAO
02:26 PM travis_farmer[m]: even with saw stop, i wouldn't try it...
02:29 PM Bleepshop: travis_farmer[m]: They're a little too sensitive for my taste. I've learned to tap the blade with the wood if it feels damp and see if the red LED blinks before I bother to turn it on anymore.
02:30 PM Bleepshop: We lost 3 carts one afternoon re-sizing wood blocks on a really humid day.
02:30 PM JT-Woodshop: yea paper cuts are the worst thing
02:30 PM XXCoder: jt hah! yeah
02:31 PM JT-Woodshop: yep any idea the wood moisture content is even a bit moist I test the sawstop
02:32 PM JT-Woodshop: the sawstop saved my old worn out tape measure... only cost $300 to replace the blade and the stopper thing
02:32 PM roycroft: if i were buying a new tablesaw i would get a sawstop
02:33 PM roycroft: but the one i have works fine for me
02:33 PM JT-Woodshop: I didn't buy it for the stopper thing
02:33 PM roycroft: if i ever do anything it would be to eliminate the tablesaw to clear up floor space in the shop, but i doubt i'll do that
02:33 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: I've got a collection of the blue springs. They're a real cute, exploding bridge wire design for the cart.
02:34 PM roycroft: i wonder how many people injure themselves because they think the sawstop will completely protect them and do not think about working safely because of that
02:35 PM Bleepshop: Not many if the idiot who was trying and barely got scratched is any indication.
02:36 PM Bleepshop: I've had to dig the blades out of several carts and package them for re-tooth/re-sharp in the last year.
02:37 PM XXCoder: i saw test on youtube on that roy
02:37 PM XXCoder: guy used hotdoh
02:38 PM XXCoder: it had pretty nasty gouge but hardly bad compared to losing finger or hand
02:38 PM roycroft: bleepshop: you can still cause a kickback that can injure or kill you
02:39 PM roycroft: when your mentality shifts from "this is a scary machine that can kill me - i have to be careful" to "this machine will completely protect me" then there are other things besides cuts that can hurt you
02:39 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Funny you should say that. We've got a ballistic vest hanging on the wall for resizing mesquite <4x4. It's got some divots in it. LOL
02:41 PM Bleepshop: 2"x2"x1/2" mesquite has some mass and as we all know [Mass * Velocity ="Ow that freaking hurt!"].
02:42 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/SYLAi4jwXcs
02:44 PM roycroft: i wish i had access to mesquite
02:44 PM roycroft: it's an amazing wood, but yes, it's very dense, very small, very twisty, and very hard to work with
02:45 PM roycroft: mesquite is more a large shrub than a tree
02:45 PM roycroft: and it's hard to make big, straight boards out of shrubbery
02:45 PM XXCoder: vereers?
02:45 PM XXCoder: you can make pretty dang long strips to cover some cheaper wood
02:46 PM roycroft: i don't think it lends itself to veneering that well
02:46 PM XXCoder: hmm I guess blade just cant consiently cut thin slice when it varies a lot, being twisty
02:46 PM Bleepshop: I see 2"x3"x36" pieces all day coming up from Mexico.
02:46 PM roycroft: and the work i do doesn't lend itself to veneering that well
02:47 PM roycroft: yeah, but those aren't big pieces
02:47 PM roycroft: although they would work well for me
02:47 PM roycroft: my problem is that i just can't get it here
02:47 PM XXCoder: I read about growing wood by vat. extremely interesting because they can control how wood grain works
02:47 PM roycroft: perhaps another reason to finally visit new mexico
02:47 PM XXCoder: so it can be soft or hard
02:47 PM Bleepshop: And mesquite is usually just massive amounts of burl and very little straight grain.
02:48 PM roycroft: right
02:48 PM roycroft: i don't think it would work well for the japanese style lamps i make
02:49 PM Bleepshop: Makes beautiful flooring though as end grain.
02:49 PM roycroft: but i could use it for other lamp designs
02:50 PM Bleepshop: I just came back from the firewood end of the company this morning with a mixed load of pine, pinion, juniper, cedar and I think some ash or birch.
02:50 PM unterhaus: I'm trying to decide if a piece of walnut I have is worth using for anything.
02:51 PM unterhaus: My mil hired a woodworker to make something and he decided it wasn't worth using
02:51 PM Bleepshop: unterhaus: How big of a piece?
02:52 PM XXCoder: googled it, its nice dark wood. cant use it for say framing something for nice contrast?
02:54 PM roycroft: i have to go to market in a bit, and i'm not looking forward to it
02:54 PM roycroft: i tried to do all my grocery shopping for the weekend yesterday
02:54 PM roycroft: but when i went to the market, it was insane
02:54 PM roycroft: totally crowded, and they were out of almost everything
02:54 PM roycroft: because of the ice storm, none of the local markets got deliveries yesterday
02:55 PM roycroft: the produce departments looked like the toilet paper aisles at the beginning of the pandemic
02:55 PM roycroft: so now i have to go today, where the crowds will be even worse
02:55 PM XXCoder: cant wait a couple days?
02:55 PM roycroft: and the stores will all be closing early, making it even worse
02:56 PM roycroft: i can, but i'd rather not
02:56 PM XXCoder: here its raining constantly
02:56 PM roycroft: i don't eat many prepared foods, so i generally get produce and seafood fresh every day or two
02:56 PM XXCoder: wonder if stores is crowded lol not like I need to go
02:57 PM roycroft: i'll just put on a big smile and go with the flow, knowing that 'flow' will mean 'pretty much going nowhere'
02:58 PM * roycroft decides he does not like pavarotti singing "felíz navidád"
02:59 PM roycroft: especially when he switches the lyrics to italian
03:00 PM roycroft: the local classical station went into full christmas music mode a few days ago, and it seems they've run out of decent programming
03:01 PM unterhaus: it's probably 15" long by 4" wide by a little over 2" thick. But it has a big knot in the middle
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Santa trackers have been way off each other all day, it's like they are just making it up as they go
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how hard is it to track Santa?
03:02 PM JT-Woodshop: unterhaus, sounds dangerous to me better send it to me for safe keeping
03:02 PM roycroft: well isn't that special?
03:03 PM unterhaus: trying to decide if I should resaw it
03:03 PM roycroft: could it be because santa is actually SATAN?
03:03 PM JT-Woodshop: I only saw when I need a piece
03:03 PM JT-Woodshop: otherwise I leave it whole
03:04 PM JT-Woodshop: I did cut up my slab of walnut up to get to the best part and use the small parts for small things
03:05 PM roycroft: i cut as i need pieces
03:06 PM roycroft: i cut/resaw a bit oversize, let it sit for a few days (or longer, depending on what it is and how dry it is), then mill to final size right when i'm ready to do the joinery
03:10 PM * JT-Woodshop still has not found the sweet spot for the disc sander
03:12 PM roycroft: what sweet spot? best place on the disc?
03:13 PM JT-Woodshop: best place in the shop...
03:13 PM roycroft: aah
03:13 PM roycroft: but you got a mobile base for it
03:13 PM roycroft: so that's not a problem
03:13 PM roycroft: you can just move it around until it tells you it is home
03:13 PM JT-Woodshop: and I need to rig up a 2" dust port for it.
03:13 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
03:13 PM roycroft: absolutely
03:14 PM roycroft: i used mine once without an extractor hooked up
03:14 PM roycroft: never again
03:14 PM JT-Woodshop: right now I'm using the shop vac
03:14 PM JT-Woodshop: I need to find a 120v potential relay so the dust collection will start automagicly
03:14 PM roycroft: i haven't tried my big dust collector with mine
03:15 PM roycroft: for fine dust like that a high velocity low volume extractor seems better
03:15 PM roycroft: so i use a shop vac or festool extractor with mine
03:16 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm liking the new jig for cutting small parts
03:16 PM roycroft: for those kinds of remotes i get rf christmas light remotes from a home improvement store
03:16 PM roycroft: then i get a contactor that has a 120vac control circuit
03:17 PM roycroft: and use the christmas light remote to actuate the contactor
03:17 PM roycroft: that's been the cheapest solution for me
03:17 PM JT-Woodshop: I just want to have it like the old dust collector, turn on a tool and the dust collector turns on
03:17 PM roycroft: and i did buy some of the commercial dust collector controllers in the past
03:17 PM JT-Woodshop: a few seconds later
03:17 PM roycroft: they don't last very long
03:18 PM roycroft: aah, my festool extractor does that
03:18 PM roycroft: and i love it
03:18 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm pretty sure I used a potential relay and a timer
03:18 PM roycroft: that's not a difficult circuit to build
03:18 PM JT-Woodshop: but not when you start the jointer?
03:18 PM roycroft: well, you can make or buy powered blast gates
03:18 PM roycroft: that will open the gate and turn on the dust collector automatically when you power on a machine
03:19 PM JT-Woodshop: well it is when you don't have the correct potential relay :)
03:19 PM roycroft: yeah
03:19 PM roycroft: this is not a design problem - it's a stocking problem
03:19 PM JT-Woodshop: I have a hand full of 120v timers from the copy lathes
03:19 PM JT-Woodshop: yup
03:19 PM roycroft: i was looking for the church lady santa/satan sketch
03:20 PM roycroft: but i found this, which i think is the funniest church lady sketch ever:
03:20 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJpalsj9sQ
03:20 PM roycroft: i mean, dana carvey, phil hartman, and al franken
03:20 PM JT-Woodshop: I did find a relay at ad that will work
03:20 PM roycroft: that has success written all over it
03:22 PM JT-Woodshop: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/sensors_-z-_encoders/current_-a-_voltage_sensors_(ac_-a-_dc)/ac_current_switches/acsn100-ae-f
03:22 PM * roycroft thinks all the old farts who continually whine that snl has sucked since the late '70s should watch that sketch
03:22 PM roycroft: too bad it's oos
03:23 PM roycroft: but welcome to the post-pandemic economy
03:23 PM roycroft: "jit manufacturing" has turne into "yeah, right, you wish manufacturing"
03:23 PM JT-Woodshop: be in stock in a few weeks so no big issue
03:23 PM roycroft: so they say :)
03:23 PM JT-Woodshop: they are usually faster than they say
03:24 PM roycroft: automation direct don't intentionally mislead their customers is my impression
03:24 PM roycroft: lots of companies do
03:24 PM JT-Woodshop: agree
03:24 PM roycroft: but they also don't have total control over their suppy chain
03:25 PM roycroft: all i can say is that i'm glad i've learned how to be patient
03:25 PM roycroft: when i was a young whippersnapper i had little to no patience
03:26 PM JT-Woodshop: amazon seems to have several current switches...
03:26 PM Plaid: I just had a thought about my wiring problem from last night. Just to recap, my encoder is spitting out random A&B signals when installed in my machine, with the servo amps off. But on the bench with an o-scope everything looks perfect. I realized that my digital ground isn't connected to my chassie ground. I have a 5v buck converter, and the ground on it isn't connected to case ground anyhwere.
03:26 PM Plaid: and so maybe that's all flowing through this new encoder, and causing my problems
03:27 PM roycroft: what do you use as a time delay, if anything?
03:27 PM Plaid: So as a question... on the output of my buck converter, out- should be connected to case ground, right?
03:27 PM JT-Woodshop: I used a timer last time
03:28 PM roycroft: my dust collector is on a different circuit than my machines
03:28 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd need a time delay
03:28 PM JT-Woodshop: the time delay is just to allow the machine to start before adding the dust collector load to my temp service
03:28 PM Bleepshop: Plaid: More than likely. Grab a meter and measure.
03:28 PM roycroft: if i turn on the machine it will take a few seconds for the dust collector to get up to speed
03:28 PM roycroft: and when i turn the machine off it will take the dust collector about 30 seconds to wind down
03:29 PM Plaid: Bleepshop: measure what though?
03:29 PM roycroft: so in my case i might not need a timer at all
03:29 PM JT-Woodshop: eventually I will have a 100 amp service out here but for now this shop is plugged into a 30 amp circuit in the machine shop
03:29 PM roycroft: ok, sure
03:29 PM JT-Woodshop: an off timer would be more useful
03:29 PM JT-Woodshop: to make sure all the dust is collected
03:29 PM roycroft: so you have to have 20a for the machine and 20a for the dust collector to handle the startup surge
03:29 PM Bleepshop: Plaid: Measure for a voltage difference or do a visual trace of the board and see where the grounds go.
03:29 PM roycroft: but 30a handles the load after the initial surge
03:30 PM JT-Woodshop: the 240v machines are 15 amp max but none pull 15 amp
03:30 PM JT-Woodshop: I added the time because I had some...
03:30 PM roycroft: as far as the off timer goes
03:31 PM Plaid: Bleepshop: I know the circut pretty decently, since I built (most) of it. I know that my buck converter's out- isn't connected to case ground.
03:31 PM roycroft: if you just let the machine run for a few seconds after you are done with the last operation before powering it off you should extract all the dust/chips
03:31 PM JT-Woodshop: you could but if you have a box full of timers...
03:31 PM Bleepshop: Plaid: I'm talking about on the buck converter board.
03:31 PM roycroft: not as convenient or efficient as having an off delay timer
03:32 PM * JT-Woodshop goes to prepare the brine
03:32 PM roycroft: i'm trying to get up the gumption to head to market
03:32 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: pickling that finger now? ;D
03:32 PM roycroft: perhaps i'll need to load some tunes on an ipod so i can zone out while i'm shopping
03:33 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: NiN: Heresy is good for Walmart this time of year. LOL
03:33 PM roycroft: i've only been in a walmart once in m life
03:33 PM roycroft: my
03:33 PM Bleepshop: That's right. You've got Fred Meyer there.
03:34 PM Bleepshop: Same shit, different flies, slightly different odor. LOL
03:34 PM roycroft: i don't shop at fred meyer any more either
03:35 PM roycroft: when it was regionally owned i did
03:35 PM roycroft: but now it's owned by kroger
03:35 PM XXCoder: fm i only shop for couple unique items otherwise meh I pretty much dont go there
03:35 PM XXCoder: I heavily shop at winco for food
03:36 PM roycroft: winco is my first stop today
03:36 PM roycroft: so even though i shun walmart, i don't shun the walmart crowd
03:36 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, that's my shopping choices here anymore. Drive 20 miles and I have a choice of Kroger, Kroger, Kroger, Kroger or Kroger.
03:36 PM roycroft: i fully expect to see multiple morbidly obese people wearing holey sweatpants when i go there today
03:37 PM roycroft: but they'll have tacky christmas hats on today
03:37 PM roycroft: so it's all good
03:37 PM XXCoder: I havent entered walmart for few years now
03:37 PM roycroft: i went to one in north dakota about 25 years ago
03:38 PM roycroft: that's the only time
03:38 PM roycroft: we did not have any here at the time
03:38 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: I end up there because it's the only place to get french bread with sesame seeds on top.
03:38 PM roycroft: and i did not know much about walmart then
03:38 PM * roycroft gets his seedy baguettes from metropol bakery
03:38 PM XXCoder: bleep probably why they stock it lol
03:39 PM roycroft: http://www.metropolbakery.com/breads.html
03:43 PM roycroft: all right, i'm going to go brave the markets
03:43 PM roycroft: if i'm not back in four hours consider me a casualty of the times
03:43 PM roguish[m]: roycroft: mask up...
03:43 PM roycroft: i'm more concerned about accidently seeing those holey stretch pants than getting germs
03:44 PM roycroft: but yeah, it would be a good day to mask up
03:44 PM XXCoder: yeah rsv, flu, and covid cases is rising pretty fast
03:44 PM roycroft: and i have had my fifth covid shot, as well as my flu shot
03:45 PM XXCoder: I really need to get new one thanks for reminding me
03:45 PM XXCoder: I had appointed one, but I got seriously sick for a month
03:46 PM roycroft: besides, i have a new grateful dead skeleton mask that i haven't worn out in public yet
03:48 PM XXCoder: lol
03:49 PM roycroft: while i'm not a fan of political statement masks, just as i'm not a fan of political statement hats/tee shirts/other clothing, masks can be fine as fashion statements
03:53 PM Bleepshop: Crap. Now I've got to go to the store.
03:54 PM Bleepshop: Cokes, chips, cheese, guac. Now I want tacos or nachos. LOL
03:55 PM travis_farmer[m]: tonight for supper, heading up to my 93 year-old granny's for a roast beast dinner. :-)
03:59 PM Plaid: *twitch* still misbehaving.
04:02 PM Plaid: Since the 7i77 spec sheet says the "ENCODER INPUTS" "DIFFERENTIAL MODE IMPEDANCE" is 131-135 ohms, if I wanted to properly simulate the 7i77 without the board, I should connect A+ to A- via a 130 ohm resistor, and put a scope on both sides of that, right?
04:03 PM roguish[m]: just put my $105 prime rib roast on the bbq rotisserie
04:04 PM roguish[m]: 2 ribs, 4.5 #
04:10 PM JT-Woodshop: brine is cooling down for the turkey breast
04:12 PM XXCoder: man I want to build millenium machines project mill lol
04:13 PM Plaid: XXCoder: link?
04:13 PM XXCoder: a sec
04:13 PM XXCoder: https://github.com/MilleniumMills/Millenium-Milo-v1.4
04:16 PM XXCoder: no shop though :( that sucks
04:17 PM Plaid: Yeah, my projects have taken over the garage
04:17 PM roguish[m]: JT-Woodshop: JT-Chef
04:17 PM roguish[m]: skillet cornbread going in a minute....
04:18 PM roguish[m]: then the smashed red potatoes start....
04:18 PM roguish[m]: Frank Sinatra music channel on in the background
04:19 PM * JT[m]1 uploaded an image: (344KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gqqlnrWfxtfzsNViRnSwIJsO/20221224_161832.jpg >
04:20 PM XXCoder: making progress I see
04:21 PM JT-Woodshop: jig worked out well, not enough material to make the diameter I wanted but good enough for practice
04:21 PM roguish[m]: JT-Woodshop: so what's the end product?
04:21 PM JT-Woodshop: a popcorn bowl
04:22 PM roguish[m]: now that's a good one....make a few extra....
04:23 PM JT-Woodshop: going to make two... once I have the process sorted out
04:24 PM JT-Woodshop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTCiP8veNTQ
04:24 PM JT-Woodshop: I thought about making that
04:25 PM JT-Woodshop: it seems to get granular near the bottom
04:28 PM roguish[m]: JT-Woodshop: and glad to see you're doing some retired stuff....
04:28 PM JT-Woodshop: :)
04:34 PM _unreal_: good lord its flipid cold out for south florida
04:34 PM travis_farmer[m]: unreal: welcome to new southern maine ;-)
04:40 PM _unreal_: its like late fall weather right now
04:40 PM _unreal_: 52f
04:41 PM travis_farmer[m]: that ain't cold ! :-)
04:41 PM _unreal_: when it was 85 two days ago....
04:41 PM _unreal_: up untill
04:42 PM Loetmichel: hehe, the reverse here. -11°C three days ago, +12°C yesterday.
04:43 PM travis_farmer[m]: anyway, i gotta run. got a roast beast dinner waiting for me. if i don't pop in tomorrow, Merry Christmas, to all who celebrate! :-)
04:43 PM Loetmichel: same back to you
04:43 PM _unreal_: wrapping prez now
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Loetmichel: has Santa arrived there yet?
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the NORAD Santa tracker is down!
05:04 PM roycroft: well, i survived
05:04 PM roycroft: it took three stores to find everything i needed, but i got everything
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Google has him dropping over Nuremberg
05:04 PM roycroft: google are on crack
05:04 PM roycroft: st nicholas arrived in germany weeks ago, on december 6th
05:06 PM XXCoder: congats on your trip roy
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: approaching Dresden
05:06 PM XXCoder: merry xmas
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no Santa, don't drop!
05:07 PM roycroft: thanks
05:08 PM roycroft: surviving a trip to the market is always an accomplishment, especially on a day like today
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is this? " Santa currently approaching Berlin like the Red Army in '45" !!
05:09 PM XXCoder: one of my favorite comic https://i.redd.it/ps2zwr1pvmi81.png
05:10 PM XXCoder: actually this is orginal. someone stripped the words https://theyearofhalloween.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/another-web-comic-letters-to-satan.jpg
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah NORAD has him over Nigeria
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.reddit.com/r/blursedimages/comments/ztximw/blursed_santa/
05:28 PM Plaid: So I think I solved my problem... I had one of my power wires a bit lose, and I think that was at least part of the problem. Also, it has more jitter then I thought it had
05:29 PM Plaid: but it's jittering 3-4 positions, so I'm not really happy with that.
05:29 PM JT-Cave: roguish[m], I've been doing retired things for quite some time in between doing work things but if things is not fun I won't do it anymore
05:30 PM Plaid: JT-Cave: Tbqh, I was wondering how you made enough money off mesa cards... but if it's a retired hobby, it makes a lot more sense :P
05:31 PM Plaid: Cause you're always on here helping people
05:31 PM JT-Cave: mesaus.com is a hobby, I'm an automation engineer and build automatic assembly machines
05:32 PM Plaid: Nice. I do a little more boring stuff. usually things like custom ERPs for small to medium businesses.
05:33 PM JT-Cave: I've been sorta retired for 4 years now
05:34 PM Plaid: Sounds nice. Doing the "working to have fun and fun money" vs "working to live"?
05:36 PM Plaid: For my PIDS, does it make sense to increase my deadband once I'm in position, so it doesn't keep trying to get into a super exact position?
05:36 PM JT-Cave: yup did that for over 50 years
05:37 PM JT-Cave: I use the defaults in mesact that Peter told me to use
05:37 PM JT-Cave: I assume your talking servos?
05:37 PM Plaid: Yeah
05:38 PM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc-old/tuning/index.html
05:40 PM Plaid: yeah, I've read a similar article.
05:40 PM Plaid: IT's more about making my motors not whine once it's in position
05:40 PM JT-Cave: when someone like Peter tells me something I put it where I can reference again
05:40 PM Plaid: I'll re-run my test though
05:41 PM JT-Cave: for servos the drives have to be in tune before you can tune in linuxcnc
05:41 PM Plaid: Luckly I'm rebuilding an existing machine, so the drivers are already tuned.
05:41 PM * JT-Cave signs out for the night
05:41 PM JT-Cave: that's good
05:42 PM Plaid: Night JT!
05:42 PM JT-Cave: say goodnight Gracie
05:42 PM Plaid: Goodnight Gracie
05:52 PM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: chow time. ttfn
06:20 PM Plaid: I also realized a poor decision I made. The new encoder is magnetic based, not optical, I think that's where I'm getting part of the jitter
06:20 PM _unreal_: could be
06:40 PM Bleepshop: Plaid: Oh yeah. That's why I decided on opticals over magnetics when I was looking at encoders. External fields can affect the cheap ones.
06:45 PM Bleepshop: Does latency-histogram have limits that I could hit on a 20hr run?
06:47 PM Bleepshop: It's at 65500 seconds and still running.
06:47 PM XXCoder: might be at bit borders whatever it may be at
06:47 PM XXCoder: for example 32 bit it would be 3,5 billion seconds
06:50 PM XXCoder: youre close to rollover if it was errm 16 bit? I think
06:50 PM XXCoder: doubt it is 16 bit however
07:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: linuxcnc/scripts/latency-histogram
07:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: proc set_defaults {} {
07:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: set ::LH(start) [clock seconds]
07:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't see anywhere that it is limited to 16 bits
07:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i recall higher counts bit I have no screen captures as proof
07:18 PM _unreal_: There more or less finished wrapping
07:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16508/rpi4-4g-64bit-latency-histogram--base8000--servo1000000-14hrs.jpg
07:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ^^ > 50,000
07:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/502/noel-06Jun2019-177925---36hrs.png >117,000
07:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: ^^
07:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: >177,000
07:27 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:28 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight[m]: didnt say it was specifically 16 bit :D
07:28 PM XXCoder: just that if it was, it'd be rolling over soon
07:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: oh no you didn't
07:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes i agree and understand and did not mean to evoke any controversy over the issue
07:30 PM Bleepshop: Would have rolled before I asked the question. 65535 or FFFF .
07:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: please accept my humble and most heartfelt apology if i have offended you in any way
07:30 PM XXCoder: well im extremely offended
07:30 PM XXCoder: send me million dollars usd
07:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I was just trying to find any mention of a 16 bit limit in the python source
07:31 PM XXCoder: i'll be fine woith 65535 usd ;)
07:31 PM XXCoder: kidding
07:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: one million doll hairs
07:31 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: Yeah, we know. You want eh whole million. LOL
07:32 PM XXCoder: lol capt
07:32 PM _unreal_: enjoying tequila
07:32 PM _unreal_: what challl drinking?
07:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what you do in your own home with consenting adults in none of our concern
07:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh is that a drink?
07:33 PM XXCoder: dihyrogen monoxide
07:33 PM XXCoder: mixed form. solid forms and liquid form
07:33 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, I hear that hits hard
07:34 PM XXCoder: its been found in all forms of cancer so far
07:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Happy Holidays
07:34 PM XXCoder: same to you
07:35 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, collect the whole set
07:35 PM XXCoder: nah enough problemns in my life
07:40 PM * Bleepshop is drinking Coca-Cola. [Like always]
07:42 PM Bleepshop: And filtering the smoke from 'certain subtances' though a matrix of crushed, solid form, dihydrogen oxide before inhaling it.
07:44 PM XXCoder: fun
07:50 PM Bleepshop: Well, I fell into this deal where I ended up with two tons of certain substances and a weekly supply of dirty books.
07:54 PM roycroft: a friend gave me a bottle of mezcal as a holiday gift, but there is no worm in the bottle
07:54 PM roycroft: i'm not sure what to make of that
07:54 PM roycroft: i guess it's the vegetarian option
07:54 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Don't put your worm in the bottle or you'll end up at teh ER. ;D
07:56 PM XXCoder: reminds me of that horror movie where worm in bottle has eye in it
08:00 PM Bleepshop: Coming up on 70K seconds and it's still rock solid at -112.2 / 3.8 / 112. Kodi has been running the whole time with fullscreen video as a base layer with the histogram and 6 glxgears overlapped on top.
08:35 PM roycroft: this mezcal gets decent reviews
08:35 PM roycroft: i should probably try it this evening
10:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: after several days of latency testing you might run into cosmic events that effect latency
10:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: moon phases, neutrinos, ghosts etc etc
10:24 PM Bleepshop: I just stuffed in an ATI video card and I'm relaoding since that broke it. LOL
10:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have had latency test run for weeks with a spike a week in that I would never see again
10:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: more than a day or so is plenty to see if there is some sort of SMI or similar hardware event
10:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: RTAI will run for days at <1uS until you enable a network controller
10:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then it will jump to 3-4uS
10:46 PM roycroft: the moon was new yesterday
10:47 PM roycroft: as it slowly waxes, you may find a shift in your latency
10:47 PM roycroft: and you may need to relocate the machine to rebalance the qi
10:48 PM XXCoder: just have it culuvate to increase qi
11:07 PM Plaid: So I'm starting to get my machine up. When I run my X axis home, I get the error "Exceeded negative soft limit (0.00000) on joint 0" my joint is min 0, max 1330. There's some space after the limit switch trips, so it didn't hard crash, so that wasn't an error
11:07 PM Plaid: is there a setting I need to set or something?
11:08 PM XXCoder: soft limit should be just adread of switch trigger spot
11:08 PM XXCoder: make switch trigger something like -.01" or whatever and soft limit 0
11:09 PM XXCoder: i dont remember how to configure it as such but you should be able to find such info
11:10 PM Plaid: Yeah, I have that setup, my homing works, but I get that error message each time I do homing
11:10 PM XXCoder: yeah likely configuration issue
11:11 PM Plaid: Ah... I needed to set my home to not zero, but a value higher then zero
11:12 PM XXCoder: if you want home to be zero, set range from small negative value to max so you can have zero as home
11:12 PM Plaid: Good call
11:13 PM Plaid: machine is now -1 to 1330 wide, no homing error :P
11:14 PM XXCoder: -1" is just giant but if youre not likely to need that much it dont matter
11:14 PM roycroft: that's probably mm, not in
11:14 PM roycroft: unless it's a very very large machine
11:15 PM XXCoder: oh the " on axis probably was a typo
11:15 PM XXCoder: i worked from inch from that because of that " lol
11:15 PM XXCoder: 1mm is just fine
11:16 PM Bleepshop: Plaid: 1/4 mile wide X axis? Cool. LOL
11:16 PM XXCoder: lol well
11:17 PM XXCoder: wasnt really payong attention on units besides making sure my info is correct
11:17 PM roycroft: you really have to align the qi if the machine is that big
11:17 PM Bleepshop: Woops. Dropped a decimal. That's still >104 feet wide.
11:18 PM XXCoder: or cuvulate for 10 years qi lol
11:18 PM XXCoder: i cant spell that danged word
11:20 PM XXCoder: anyway glad config works now Plaid
11:20 PM roycroft: one step closer
11:24 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: It'd be easier if we just put him on a skateboard and pushed. ;D
11:25 PM XXCoder: just leave at seattle, would slide very fast down hill
11:25 PM XXCoder: bad ice there
11:26 PM Bleepshop: XXCoder: If you want ice I'll throw a bucket of water out the door. 28F here.
11:26 PM roycroft: there was a pretty good viral video of a bunch of cars banging into each other, and one sliding way down hill
11:26 PM Bleepshop: Which is actuall nice and warm after the last couple of days. LOL
11:26 PM XXCoder: lol its over 50f here or ion least was. I think its on lower 40s now
11:27 PM XXCoder: roy I saw one where guy just placed a plate, and it slid off and went quite fast down hill
11:27 PM XXCoder: I just hope it doesnt hurt someone or damage
11:27 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GButmfkNGmg
11:28 PM XXCoder: people keep hitting that still iced over car lol
11:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🎄
11:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🎅