#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 19 2022

12:29 AM JoseIgnacioRomer: I wonder why nobody makes a lathe where you use the chuck key to turn the power on
12:39 AM XXCoder: dunno
12:40 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:11 AM sensille: CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, it's a really good list. I can see xilinx, altera, lattice, efinix
01:12 AM sensille: and it calls the command line tools for you, so you don't have to fight with the GUI
01:20 AM randy: morning
01:56 AM Deejay: moin
04:32 AM Tom_L: morning
04:50 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:22 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning, looks like i am late to the party :-)
07:14 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
07:50 AM * JT-Cave is done coding for the morning and is off to start his chicken day
08:55 AM travis_farmer: well now, whomever updated the docs http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.9/html/gui/qtdragon.html , thanks! it is now much more informative than before, when i first setup qtdragon. :-)
09:00 AM * travis_farmer tried to decide if he wants to trudge through snow to his shop, or use the snowblower and risk breaking more shear-pins (a PITA to replace...)
09:26 AM travis_farmer[m]: there, seeing as how the discord bridge seems to be broken, i broke down and joined the Matrix channel... mostly in case i have to post a picture, or whatever...
09:26 AM mrec_: https://snipboard.io/YIoGKp.jpg
09:26 AM mrec_: chatgpt
09:30 AM sensille: no gcode
09:30 AM mrec_: no screenshot but the code is also there
09:30 AM sensille: have you tried it?
09:30 AM mrec_: the answers are more accurate than with google
09:30 AM mrec_: well you might have to modify what you get from it but it's a good template
09:32 AM mrec_: chatgpt ... I have some hope that it will be implemented int he government and lay off some particular group of people who only follow the books
09:33 AM mrec_: (German government :D) I'm fine with my current one in Taiwan.
09:34 AM sensille: follow the book or follow the money
09:43 AM mrec_: if they train openai/chatgpt with tax data ... that will kill many jobs
09:57 AM mrec_: opengpt.. can you guide me through a ... setup
09:57 AM mrec_: also nice
09:59 AM sensille: do i need to sign up there to play with it?
09:59 AM mrec_: yes.. I overcame that hurdle seems to be fun using it
10:00 AM sensille: they asked for my phone numer :-/
10:00 AM mrec_: yes me too, I used my wife's cellphone
10:00 AM mrec_: > can you write a garbage collector in C?
10:00 AM mrec_: Sure! Here is a simple garbage collector implemented in C:
10:01 AM sensille: ... how?
10:01 AM mrec_: several answers can be used as template
10:01 AM mrec_: I'm not posting the code... but code is there
10:02 AM mrec_: > can you explain the code?
10:02 AM mrec_: Certainly! Here is a breakdown of the code:
10:02 AM mrec_: ...
10:03 AM rmu: i wouldn't trust it too much. i asked chatgpt to explain how to integrate polynomial, and it explained mostly correct, but insisted to "simplify" the example a bit too much
10:04 AM mrec_: rmu: me either, but it's still interesting
10:06 AM mrec_: I just pasted some code and asked if it can explain that function ... it's doing it
10:06 AM rmu: i asked it to imagine being on board of discovery in odyssee 2001, if it could replace the HAL9000. quite interesting answer ;)
10:07 AM mrec_: I asked who will win the world championship ... it said it depends on many factors so I tried to define the factors but still got no answer ^^
10:08 AM mrec_: certainly there are certain questions where it's stuck but there are some other questions where it's very close
10:08 AM travis_farmer[m]: ask it what the meaning of life in ;-)
10:08 AM travis_farmer[m]: *is
10:08 AM rmu: really depends on many factors. foremost world championship in what?
10:08 AM mrec_: soccer of course :-)
10:09 AM rmu: i think darts is running at the moment, but chatgpt probably doesn't know the contestants
10:09 AM mrec_: > does god exist?
10:10 AM mrec_: of course it's answering something...
10:10 AM mrec_: It is not within the scope of this AI to make any judgments or pronouncements on the existence of God.
10:11 AM mrec_: so my question: What would be the answer if this question would be within the scope of this AI?
10:12 AM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm, perhaps some lunch is in order...
10:35 AM Bleepshop: You all realize that as soon as somebody remembers the old story "The Language Clarifier" and runs up a chatgpt instance for it that lawyers are gonna riot and the fun will begin. [I saw it in Omni Magazine in 1979 IIRC.] LOL
10:37 AM mrec_: lawyers .. jobs in danger..
10:37 AM Bleepshop: What the hell. Here's the story. LMAO https://www.williamflew.com/omni8d.html
10:37 AM mrec_: but only as long as access to it is free
10:40 AM * Bleepshop has been waiting for life to catch up to literature.
10:40 AM mrec_: > I want to become a Ninja and grow a bonsai tree, what should I do?
10:40 AM mrec_: Becoming a ninja and growing a bonsai tree are two very different pursuits, but both can be rewarding and enjoyable activities. Here are some steps you can take if you want to pursue these interests:
10:41 AM Bleepshop: Which remindds me... "Damn you Speilberg! Where's my hover conversion?!?!?!"
10:41 AM mrec_: Both becoming a ninja and growing a bonsai tree are pursuits that require a lot of time, dedication, and practice. With patience and persistence, however, you can make progress and achieve your goals.
10:41 AM mrec_: there's a lot text in between which I skipped
10:42 AM mrec_: I know my destiny now and have found sense in life thanks to chatgpt
10:43 AM Bleepshop: mrec_: You're going to ocmbine martial arts and bonsai to breed midget ninjas? ;D
10:43 AM mrec_: I want to grow wisdom!
10:47 AM Bleepshop: mrec_: I wish you the best of luck.
12:33 PM * JT[m]1 uploaded an image: (318KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/lgvNYTGzsPZhSusLNHoorMAC/20221219_123132.jpg >
12:33 PM XXCoder: why is you holding like that?
12:47 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: whys you holding like that in that picture?
01:01 PM * JT[m]1 uploaded an image: (257KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/BzgtwTSLjXGGVZCKpnDESpCF/20221219_124248.jpg >
01:04 PM JT[m]1: He was trying to feel if the tool was vibrating
01:04 PM XXCoder: ahh cool
01:06 PM XXCoder: whats funny is I didnt think of that even though thats how I can check how well its being cut. I just assumed you'd directly hear it
01:06 PM unterhaus: roycroft, is PM-V11 worth $60 when A2 is less than $40?
01:07 PM XXCoder: travis_farmer[m]: yeah tur is too busy to fix bridge it seems
01:07 PM XXCoder: server its on suffered a massive crash and needed wipe and reinstal
01:17 PM travis_farmer[m]: XXCoder: hmmm, ok. that would explain it. no big deal, really. just one more program loaded on my computer to keep tabs on all the various communications for different things. ;-)
01:21 PM travis_farmer[m]: my new (to me) laptop seems to be taking it all in stride though. 16 browser tabs open, discord, Element (matrix), email for 3 different addresses, media player, and whatever else is running in the background... and it is only an i7 with 32GB of RAM :-)
01:30 PM XXCoder: fun
01:31 PM roguish[m]: JT: are ya making cymbals?
01:39 PM JT-Cave: XXCoder, we were getting some vibration so he was trying to see if it was the tool or the disc
01:39 PM XXCoder: yea
01:40 PM XXCoder: so which was it?
01:40 PM JT-Cave: it was the disc, no way to really support it out by the edge
01:41 PM XXCoder: i suppose can make custom fixture to support it all way out, but for one off its not worth it
01:41 PM JT-Cave: so long as the PSA sandpaper sticks I ok with the finish
01:44 PM travis_farmer[m]: maybe stick a bunch of rubber to the outer part of the disk to try an dampen it? i saw that on a brake drum lathe once...
01:45 PM Tom_L: wrap a big bike chain around the perimeter
01:45 PM Tom_L: that's what they do with brake drums etc
01:45 PM JT-Cave: needed a proper insert with a small radius... but you use what you have
01:45 PM Tom_L: yup
01:47 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, did you see the fix to mesact?
01:49 PM unterhaus: I got some lead strip with my lathe, didn't know what it was for until recently
01:49 PM * JT-Cave goes out to stoke the fires
01:49 PM Tom_L: no not yet.. just got in and walking out again but i'll check when i get back
01:49 PM unterhaus: funny thing is, I'm pretty good at fixing vibration issues
01:51 PM unterhaus: Hock blade gets free shipping, but Veritas blade is better looking. It's a conundrum
02:03 PM roycroft: i like ron hock
02:03 PM roycroft: and i like his blades
02:03 PM roycroft: i have not used that fancy veritas alloy, but it's supposed to be pretty good
02:31 PM W1N9Zr1 is now known as W1N9Zr0
03:03 PM travis_farmer[m]: Hmmm, i was looking at options for setting up a Discord/Matrix bridge... seems the options are a bit beyond what i have setup before, so i can't help there...
03:04 PM XXCoder: matrix and discord is already bridged
03:04 PM XXCoder: errrm
03:04 PM XXCoder: I meant matrix and irc lol
03:04 PM travis_farmer[m]: yes, and it works so well ;-)
03:05 PM XXCoder: discord to matrix will exist again,
03:05 PM XXCoder: just needs some work
03:05 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, i know. just wanted to help out some. but it looked beyond me, anyway
03:07 PM XXCoder: lol ok
03:08 PM travis_farmer[m]: finally managed to get a path snowblowed and shoveled to my shop :-)
03:12 PM travis_farmer[m]: thinking, with my VFD down, and my spindle sounding very bad, i will probably mount my laser and work on getting that part perfected...
03:32 PM zephyr9900: travis_farmer do you have heat in the shop?
03:36 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, looks better
03:36 PM Tom_L: building
03:36 PM travis_farmer[m]: zephyr9900: sorta, a small diesel heater
03:40 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, when i select a board & firmware then open a previously saved ini, it does update the board & firmware to match the ini
03:40 PM Tom_L: however
03:40 PM Tom_L: not on a user made ini
03:41 PM Tom_L: it keeps the board & firmware previously selected
03:41 PM Tom_L: the HOME is ok now
03:41 PM travis_farmer[m]: bit off topic, deer feed plot here in maine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O03dt_huGtg
03:45 PM zephyr9900: travis_farmer[m] a nice 12? point buck in the mix
03:45 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, it also deletes the user made .ini file instead of leaving the ini in place
03:46 PM travis_farmer[m]: 10-point
03:47 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i thought originally it removed all the files except the ini
03:47 PM Tom_L: maybe not
03:51 PM Tom_L: also on the 7i80hd-16 the axis are greyed out and i get a config warning that 'A firmware & daugheter card need to be selected' however it doesn't allow me to select a daughter card
03:53 PM Tom_L: i'll hold off on the builds to hear from you
04:00 PM JT-Woodshop: did you select firmware?
04:00 PM Tom_L: yes
04:00 PM JT-Woodshop: ok, let me check
04:04 PM Tom_L: that may have happened on the 7i80 when you opened it up to be able to select any firmware
04:24 PM JT-Woodshop: hmm no mesaflash on this pc... I'll have to look a bit later
04:24 PM JT-Woodshop: I also need to make the screen smaller than 1440x900 somehow
04:36 PM JT-Woodshop: hmm there's some songs on this pc that I've never heard before...
04:36 PM travis_farmer[m]: LMAO, JT
04:37 PM JT-Woodshop: found it... in Bobbie's Music folder
04:37 PM JT-Woodshop: audacious must play everything including sub-directories
04:38 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, i think it does, IIRC
04:47 PM JT-Woodshop: I'll move that directory out of music lol
04:48 PM JT-Woodshop: not sure I'm a fan of Nickelback or not
04:49 PM roycroft: i know i dislike nickelback
04:49 PM JT-Woodshop: I'm giving them 30 seconds per song before deleting it
04:49 PM travis_farmer[m]: what about Korn? any of that on there? ;-)
04:50 PM roycroft: that's enough
04:50 PM roycroft: because it's already repetitive by 30 seconds
04:51 PM JT-Woodshop: no korn
04:51 PM JT-Woodshop: fleetwood mac
04:51 PM travis_farmer[m]: thats a shame, LMAO
04:51 PM JT-Woodshop: that's better
04:51 PM Tom_L: foghat
04:51 PM roycroft: fleetwood mac were good pre stevie nicks :)
04:51 PM JT-Woodshop: hmm the hens are going in for the night
04:51 PM Tom_L: haven't heard them in a long time
04:52 PM JT-Woodshop: no foghat either in there
04:52 PM Tom_L: ccr
04:52 PM travis_farmer[m]: Blue Oyster Cult?
04:53 PM JT-Woodshop: no, but I have that in my collection
04:53 PM XXCoder: cool credit rating
04:54 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
04:54 PM Tom_L: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=ccr+songs
04:54 PM travis_farmer[m]: "Have you ever seen the rain..."
04:55 PM Tom_L: the dirt band
04:55 PM travis_farmer[m]: sounds gravely
04:56 PM Tom_L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dirt_Band_(album)
04:57 PM JT-Woodshop: yep, got that
04:57 PM Tom_L: cheap trick
04:57 PM Tom_L: they opened for kansas here years back
04:58 PM travis_farmer[m]: "Carry on my wayward son..."
04:58 PM Tom_L: all of theirs
04:58 PM JT-Woodshop: Pink Floyd and the Moody Blues
04:58 PM Tom_L: i had dark side of the moon
04:59 PM JT-Woodshop: I would listen to them on the flight to africa and back each month on my sony walkman
04:59 PM Tom_L: nights in white satin
04:59 PM Tom_L: very long
04:59 PM travis_farmer[m]: i have a very wide range of music i listen to.
04:59 PM JT-Woodshop: only once did some old lady ask me to turn them down lol
04:59 PM Tom_L: stairway to heaven
04:59 PM JT-Woodshop: same here... rap is not music
04:59 PM travis_farmer[m]: love knights in white satin!
05:00 PM travis_farmer[m]: i like some rap, as long as it is NOT gangster rap
05:00 PM XXCoder: I used to joke about my favorite band being The Silence, but the band actually exists
05:00 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
05:01 PM JT-Woodshop: Leon Redbone and Alison Krauss
05:01 PM travis_farmer[m]: my overall favorite band is Linkin Park :-)
05:02 PM JT-Woodshop: Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys
05:02 PM JT-Woodshop: Rocky Top
05:02 PM * JT-Woodshop heads down to tuck the hens in
05:06 PM roycroft: now there you go
05:06 PM roycroft: bill monroe is great
05:06 PM travis_farmer[m]: Damn!!! just saw on the news where a toddler was run over by a snowmobile! still alive, but multiple chest punctures from the track picks! hope he/she makes it through...
05:08 PM XXCoder: :( that sucks
05:08 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, no kidding :-(
05:09 PM zephyr9900: very sad
05:10 PM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, they move so fast though, kids. easy for it to happen, but still... :-(
05:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: sorry to bring down the mood of chat, i was just so shocked by the news story, i impulsively posted it.
05:16 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, what firmware?
05:16 PM JT-Cave: yep bad shit happens everyday unfortunately
05:18 PM travis_farmer[m]: anyway... supper is about ready. time for me to sign off for the night.
05:19 PM JT-Cave: enjoy
05:49 PM Tom_L: i tried several
05:50 PM Tom_L: booting
05:50 PM JT-Cave: sadly only some have the daughter card associations
05:51 PM JT-Cave: if you pick the first one it does have a daughter card
05:51 PM Tom_L: hah found one that does
05:52 PM Tom_L: but if i select another, the daughter card doesn't clear and it's wrong for that bit file
05:52 PM JT-Cave: one big problem with the 7i80 is you need two daughter cards at the minimum one for drives and one for I/O
05:52 PM JT-Cave: that needs to be fixed
05:52 PM Tom_L: it does clear with some
05:53 PM Tom_L: mmm, i managed with one but have io on the 2nd one
05:53 PM JT-Cave: seems it only clears if an association is there
05:53 PM Tom_L: right
05:53 PM Tom_L: alot of card combinations
05:53 PM JT-Cave: right and that needs to be the next big hurdle to over come
05:54 PM Tom_L: i haven't a clue what all the bit files are for
05:54 PM JT-Cave: me neither
05:54 PM Tom_L: some are easy enough
05:55 PM Tom_L: the 7i47 & s are easy enough to figure out
05:55 PM JT-Cave: got the disc sander disc turned true but now it's out of balance lol
05:55 PM Tom_L: did you turn it or have someone?
05:55 PM Tom_L: drill into the side of the disk
05:55 PM Tom_L: maybe both sides and add lead to the light side
05:55 PM JT-Cave: I only have 5" of x on the Samson so I took it to Revere and my buddy turned it
05:56 PM Tom_L: he have a clamp?
05:56 PM Tom_L: for your wood project
05:56 PM JT-Cave: I think I have enough holes to lead up to balance it
05:56 PM JT-Cave: ah yes he had some destako clamps
05:56 PM Tom_L: make sure it won't fly out..
05:56 PM JT-Cave: epoxy them in
05:57 PM Tom_L: or thread the hole then pour the lead in
05:57 PM JT-Cave: too thin
05:57 PM Tom_L: k
05:57 PM Tom_L: i got some tungsten...
05:57 PM Tom_L: maybe a couple old endmill pieces
05:58 PM JT-Cave: I posted about my issue with gentoo but none of the gentoo experts replied lol
05:58 PM JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/47699-gentoo
05:59 PM Tom_L: hmm
05:59 PM JT-Cave: time to retire to the couch
06:00 PM Tom_L: one more..
06:00 PM Tom_L: so if you can read in a foreign .ini file and you zip it then erase all the files what does that accomplish?
06:02 PM Tom_L: pretty sure it used to leave the ini in tact
06:02 PM Tom_L: but backup and remove the rest
06:29 PM markgonz: Hello everyone :)
06:30 PM markgonz: maybe is a stupid question but I plan to use a touch screen for linuxcnc for my mini mill build
06:30 PM markgonz: I will use an ASUS VT168
06:31 PM markgonz: the question is if I can use the screen normally until I setup the gui with touchscreen
06:31 PM markgonz: I guess yes but just double checking
06:38 PM Tom_L: no reason not to
06:40 PM markgonz: cool, just saw a good deal for a used one and I like the size at 15 inch so I think I will get it
06:46 PM markgonz: https://www.watchesandculture.org/forum/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Micro5.jpg trying to get this look
06:46 PM JoseIgnacioRomer: spaceballs, the milling machine
06:47 PM Tom_L: markgonz, keep in mind you need room for buttons for everything you plan to do
06:48 PM markgonz: my plan is to use the touchscreen version of axis, I saw a user on the forum use the same exact monitor
06:48 PM markgonz: he had some troube to make it work but eventually he did
06:51 PM markgonz: maybe I should do more research if is posible to install touchscreen version of axis in a 15 inch screen, the guy that used the same monitor was using some other gui
06:54 PM roycroft: most folks used to use touchy for that
06:55 PM roycroft: but i think gmocappy is more common now
06:58 PM Tom_L: qtpyvcp
06:58 PM roycroft: a 15" screen is rather small in modern terms as well
06:58 PM roycroft: oh, yeah, qtpyvcp is the new kid on the block that everyone is raving about
06:58 PM roycroft: i had forgotten
06:58 PM roycroft: anyway, you can use whatever you want, and mod it however you want
06:59 PM roycroft: but if you're new to linuxcnc, going along with the crowd is probably the easiest way to get started
07:04 PM XXCoder: that one seems a lot more customizable too, but could be wrong
07:41 PM mrec_: asking openai what people are doing on freenode (since the database is only up to last year)
07:41 PM mrec_: "I'm trying to configure a rotary axis in LinuxCNC, but I'm having trouble getting it to work. Does anyone have any experience with this?"
07:42 PM mrec_: whow... can you answer question number one ...
07:42 PM mrec_: Sure! Here is an example of how you might configure a rotary axis in LinuxCNC:
07:46 PM Tom_L: are you asking or just rambling?
08:00 PM mrec_: I'm just playing with chatgpt
08:00 PM mrec_: the answers are interesting
08:00 PM mrec_: not all of them but many of them are quite useful
08:01 PM mrec_: my CNC just works fine I'm slowly adding the new linear scales finally
08:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Cave: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/47642-gentoo-image-which-applications-are-in-and-which-are-out just wait a few more days for this
11:22 PM solarwind: how do they make the tiny gears of mechanical watches?
11:22 PM solarwind: gear hobs?
11:23 PM XXCoder: probably. likely done in rods then cutoff into bunch of gears
11:23 PM XXCoder: because setup effort if youre making many watches its best done in batches rather than one a time
11:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: the elves use these https://youtu.be/ljhLgIOueDE?t=330
11:52 PM XXCoder: what, do that one just stack disks?
11:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: but a production hollow tree in the magic forest would use something better like this https://youtu.be/NB6EL8Lq7qw?t=30
11:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: and with super glue
11:57 PM XXCoder: ahh ok