#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 18 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:26 AM pere: hi
12:42 AM sensille: Plaid1: same here, finished wiring yesterday. when i turn on the spindle, a completely urelated usb connection starts acting up
01:02 AM Plaid1: sensille: I took my 6' cable, and wrapped it around a small pill bottle, and that _helped_ the problem, but didn't eliminate it. At least the usb device isn't randomly resetting now, but it's still noisy
01:03 AM Plaid1: I can open a terminal connection up, and there's enough noise that it'll randomly display characters.
01:04 AM Plaid1: Somewhere in me wants to put capacitors on it to cut down the noise :P
01:06 AM Plaid1: The design used on the other end uses opto-isolated line drivers. My guess is the noise is still leaking in..
01:09 AM Plaid1: I'm converting an existing machine, I'm pondering stealing it's card that interfaces with this, just to get some nice isolation
01:16 AM sensille: the rs232 cables are just 10cm long
01:17 AM sensille: but that connection was somewhat flaky before
02:05 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Geany has the line break column setting is stuck at 72, the line won't move
02:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Happens on both Gentoo and Debian, reopening Geany or a new file, it doesn't take the line break setting. (Edit -> Preferences -> Editor -> Features -> Line breaking column.) Geany version 1.38 on both distros, same problem.
02:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: do you guys just live with this issue?
02:08 AM XXCoder: interesting. I just use xed lol
02:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: does you version have the issue?
02:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you/ypur
02:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: oh jeez
02:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you/your
02:08 AM XXCoder: not installed
02:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: JT is a big user of Geany
02:12 AM XXCoder: when I programmed quite a lot, I used emacs
02:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I have only used it to edit config files
02:14 AM XXCoder: nowdays I just use nano of term and xed for gui
02:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and i don't recall its behavior on earlier versions
02:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: well a few people asked specifically for Geany for the Gentoo LCNC installer
02:16 AM XXCoder: its probably good one dunno
02:24 AM roycroft: i've never used geany
02:24 AM roycroft: i use vi
02:34 AM sensille: Plaid1: okay, for me it was just a gnd issue. gnd was not connected (though i thought it was)
02:41 AM Deejay: moin
03:40 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning
05:10 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:15 AM Tom_L: morning
09:37 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, problem
09:38 AM Tom_L: started a new config by selecting the 7i80hd-16 then decided to load one already built for the 7i96s but it kept the 7i80hd-16 board & firmware list
09:38 AM Tom_L: didn't restart mesact..
09:39 AM Tom_L: maybe on opening an ini, the values should be cleared?
09:43 AM Tom_L: also, start mesact.. open an ini from 1.0.0, click ok to save it, and the board or firmware doesn't show now
09:43 AM Tom_L: 7i96s
09:46 AM Tom_L: #64
09:51 AM JT-Cave: there will be some things that don't directly translate from older versions due to the 7i92t pin names are the same as the 7i92 but to mesaflash it's 7i72t
09:51 AM Tom_L: get an error reading in an older config: Home location for Joint 0 is not a vaild number
09:51 AM JT-Cave: I've thought about how to clear everything on open
09:51 AM Tom_L: that must be a new field
09:52 AM JT-Cave: hmm post that config
09:52 AM Tom_L: maybe default to 0 instead of 'True'
09:55 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact/7i96s_test_1.1.2/
09:55 AM Tom_L: those are all 1.0.0
09:59 AM Tom_L: funny that joint0-2 are 'True' but joint3 is '0.00' for "Home"
10:05 AM JT-Cave: fixed loading the board type
10:05 AM JT-Cave: which one loads a true for home location?
10:06 AM * JT-Cave goes out to stoke the fires
10:10 AM Tom_L: joints 0-2
10:11 AM Tom_L: 3 is a rotary
10:11 AM Tom_L: and it shows 0.00
10:13 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact/Joint_home_location_error.png
10:14 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact/Joint0_home_default.png
10:15 AM JT-Shop: which ini is that?
10:15 AM Tom_L: 7i96s_test.ini
10:15 AM Tom_L: either one. i think they're both the same
10:16 AM JT-Shop: damn I need to fix geany on this pc
10:16 AM Tom_L: but you have to select a board and firmware first
10:17 AM Tom_L: heh
10:17 AM JT-Shop: the board should load now from an old config
10:17 AM Tom_L: ok i haven't pulled anything yet
10:17 AM * JT-Shop wanders inside to get a diet dr pepper
10:18 AM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/software-fixes.html
10:20 AM Tom_L: building
10:21 AM Tom_L: yeah that works now
10:23 AM * travis_farmer wonders what lunch will be today...
10:25 AM JT-Shop: hmm gotta look at the home issue...
10:27 AM Tom_L: i did build some debs.. hope that doesn't mess things up
10:28 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: good morning. hey, I went through your 'installation instructions' for bullseye, the one with the .deb build. where are the .debs supposed to be? I think the routine failed, but i'm not sure.
10:28 AM Tom_L: pretty sure you have to build that one from source
10:29 AM roguish[m]: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11-emc.html
10:29 AM JT-Shop: yup says right there you have to build the deb for debian 11
10:30 AM Tom_L: debuild will make it for you
10:30 AM JT-Shop: hmm seb's new buildbot might be building debs for d11
10:30 AM roguish[m]: like I said, I went thru that whole routing....
10:30 AM JT-Shop: no way
10:31 AM JT-Shop: if you don't have a deb in your home directory you did skip a step
10:31 AM * Tom_L watches roguish[m] get spanked
10:32 AM Tom_L: it does look like seb's new bot is building for bullseye though. i don't know where the debs are though
10:32 AM roguish[m]: ok, what's that 'po4a' deb for?
10:32 AM JT-Shop: where?
10:33 AM JT-Shop: po4a is translations...
10:33 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I see the issue with 0 being turned into True
10:33 AM * roguish[m] uploaded an image: (213KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/UAzUlAjxIXAeivBfNQClIDPH/image.png >
10:33 AM Tom_L: roguish[m], i think those are docs?
10:34 AM JT-Shop: hmm well no I don't see it yet
10:34 AM roguish[m]: i may have missed that install
10:34 AM roguish[m]: would that crash the whole thing?
10:34 AM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11-emc.html
10:35 AM Tom_L: i haven't been using bullseye much
10:35 AM JT-Shop: hard to say if "that" would crash "thing"...
10:35 AM Tom_L: i did make a sd for rpi4 with it
10:55 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: look at the last reply from Rod. I'm running joco's install script now https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/47709-debian-11-bullseye-repositories#259794
10:56 AM Tom_L: are you running this on real hardware?
10:56 AM Tom_L: i'm just testing on mine... that's why i went with bookworm
10:57 AM Tom_L: and lcnc will install from synaptic package manager on it
10:57 AM roguish[m]: yes
10:57 AM roguish[m]: I'm still trying to test my 7i80, at my desk
10:58 AM Tom_L: any luck?
10:58 AM roguish[m]: I had a good chat with pcw yesterday and got good hardware debug info
10:58 AM roguish[m]: literally, which pins to check and how to check 'em
11:00 AM roguish[m]: Tom_L: I pullled the board out of the machine and have it on my desk. I have extra other cards, 7i33 and 7i37
11:01 AM roguish[m]: and 50pin breadout boards, and isolator boards, and even a 7i31 debug board
11:02 AM Tom_L: i have a spare 7i47 or maybe 7i47s if you want me to look at something
11:03 AM Tom_L: couple sserial
11:03 AM roguish[m]: thanks, but I don't use those.....n
11:03 AM Tom_L: 7i80 in the drawer..
11:04 AM Tom_L: i generally don't plug daughter cards in when testing unless it's for sserial or such
11:05 AM roguish[m]: starting with the pin testing and everything checked out. now I am trying to check through lcnc.... and need a current clean install. that's what I'm trying to get now. my desk system was buster....
11:05 AM Tom_L: and you want bullseye?
11:06 AM roguish[m]: yeah
11:06 AM roguish[m]: it's building now.
11:06 AM roguish[m]: if it fails again, I'll go ahead and load 12
11:07 AM roguish[m]: probably start with a fresh ssd.........
11:15 AM JT-Shop: it == linuxcnc.deb?
11:17 AM roguish[m]: yes
11:18 AM Tom_L: are you running 2.8.x or 2.9.x?
11:18 AM roguish[m]: 2.9 ( or now 2.10)
11:19 AM roguish[m]: 2.9
11:21 AM roguish[m]: which debian iso would you guys use? the 11.6.0 or the di_alpha1 https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
11:21 AM Tom_L: non-free
11:22 AM Tom_L: has all the drivers etc included
11:22 AM Tom_L: not sure what all but 3rd party stuff
11:25 AM Tom_L: maybe a netinst since it's smaller
11:25 AM Tom_L: and will set your sources list to a site
11:25 AM Tom_L: instead of just 'dvd'
11:29 AM roguish[m]: joco's build and install script just finished. and it actually worked....
11:31 AM roguish[m]: and it's 2.10-pre
11:32 AM Tom_L: nice
11:34 AM roguish[m]: and lcnc starts up with the 7i80.
11:48 AM Tom_L: pins working?
11:55 AM roguish[m]: I have a pyvcp side panel that displays all 72 IO pins
11:55 AM roguish[m]: just got that going on this setup.
12:10 PM Bleepshop: Here's a question for the gurus. Got a 7i96s, a pile of random PCs and an RPi-4. Should I just tuck the RPi in the box and run a USB<>Ethernet adapter to talk to it, or should I run through the pile looking for a machine with better specs I can slap PCI/PCIe<>Ethernet adapters in??
12:13 PM Bleepshop: Got a Dell and an HP both with at least dual-core CPUs, >4GB RAM, HDMI and an SSD so they boot in under a week. :D
12:34 PM sensille: Bleepshop: didn't we talk a (long) while ago about using the rv901t (led controller board) as a maschine controller? i now have a firmware ready, in case you want to be my first tester :-)
12:40 PM Bleepshop: sensille: Kind of got sidetracked with that card and I picked up a 7i96s because I actually have most of a job and a paycheck.
12:42 PM * Bleepshop has been repairing anything and everything for a flooring manufacturer.
12:44 PM Bleepshop: Everything from the sawmill to the UV coating line. The only piece of equipment I haven't fixed in the last year is the new 6 head molder that still needs to be installed and wired.
12:47 PM sensille: i now fully converted machine to it
12:51 PM Bleepshop: I'm actually working on rebuilding my controller into an old 4U rack box from a Dec Alpha. Looking at power requirements and deciding what kind of PSU to use, driver mounting, etc.
01:23 PM Tom_L: Bleepshop, what hardware are you putting behind the 7i96s?
01:24 PM Tom_L: it would be kinda cool to see an rpi4 running a cincinatti milacron...
01:27 PM Bleepshop: I've got DM542As with power supplies feeding Nema34 steppers on an ancient panel router. Swapped the Porter Cable 7518 screamer for a quiet 3HP watercooled spindle and VFD.
01:29 PM Bleepshop: I'm down to the choice of an RPi-4 in the box or an HP with an AMD A10-5700 as a seperate box.
01:34 PM Tom_L: run latency on the amd
01:36 PM Tom_L: mill, lathe, edm, plasma, laser robotic arm..?
01:36 PM Tom_L: coffee maker..
01:37 PM Tom_L: ok.. router
01:37 PM travis_farmer: "Tom_L> coffee maker." LMAO!!! :-)
01:37 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Yeah, I'm gathering up cables, clearing off a flat spot and getting ready to see how much of a toad it is.
01:37 PM Tom_L: either one probably would do
01:37 PM Tom_L: multi spindle?
01:38 PM Tom_L: is the vfd going in the box?
01:39 PM Bleepshop: Not mine. I'm running one of these. https://www.amazon.com/Spindle-Kits%EF%BC%9A220V-4bearings-24000rpm-Factory/dp/B078J5CXP3
01:40 PM Tom_L: analog or modbus?
01:41 PM Bleepshop: It'd be a real tight fit and I'd have to rotate the case 90 to get the cooling for the VFD to work.
01:41 PM Tom_L: they're noisy so consider that
01:41 PM Tom_L: electrical noise
01:41 PM Bleepshop: USB<>RS-485 converter with a ferrite donut right at the dongle.
01:42 PM Bleepshop: I've got donuts and snap-cores all over this thing.
01:42 PM Tom_L: doesn't the 7i96s have rs485?
01:43 PM Tom_L: 422.. whatever
01:43 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, I'm moving from a parallel DB25-1205 board to the 7i96s.
01:44 PM Tom_L: A RS-422/RS485 serial port and a parallel port are provided for I/O expansion .
01:44 PM Tom_L: so why do you need the usb adapter?
01:46 PM Bleepshop: Tom_L: Uh, because the broken down, bit-rotted shitbox that's in there now is so old the parallel port is on the motherboard along with the PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports. LOL
01:47 PM Tom_L: but you're replacing those
01:49 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, old ocntroller is an old fire alarm panel hanging on the side of the machine and the new box is a 4U rack box and it's going on slides under the table out of the way.
01:49 PM Bleepshop: Leaving the old one intact and building the new one out of new parts and hot spares.
01:51 PM Tom_L: sounds like fun times ahead
01:54 PM Bleepshop: It will be. I've got wire raceway, DIN rails, DIN rail mount clips, DIN fuseholders, 24V input buffer blocks, SSR and relay blocks. I kind of went nuts at the surplus place down in ABQ with a $50 bill.
02:16 PM roycroft: it's nice that you have that
02:17 PM roycroft: one of the local st vincent de paul stores used to sell a lot of electronics surplus components like that, but a few years ago they closed that store and started selling the electronics stuff to auction houses
02:17 PM roycroft: none local
02:17 PM roycroft: that was the only suplus store like that round here
02:17 PM roycroft: we had a local electronics store that closed its eugene store a few years ago
02:18 PM roycroft: and i'm not talking about radio shack, because that hasn't counted as an electonics component store since the early '70s
02:18 PM roycroft: but it's closed too
02:18 PM roycroft: fry's closed its only oregon store - the neareast fry's is in sfo, which is a 10 hour drive
02:18 PM roycroft: so basically i get no access to surplus electronics except online, and no access to new components except online
02:19 PM Bleepshop: There used to be a place u in Portland in the 80s but I've got no clue if it's still there. Had stuff from Tektronix to Boeing.
02:38 PM * JT-Woodshop needs a way to safely hold small parts on the tablesaw
02:39 PM XXCoder: jig sled?
02:40 PM JT-Woodshop: some kind of sled yup
02:42 PM XXCoder: i saw that interesting micro tablesaw at one of yt guys. not cheap high risk ones you see at harbor fright but real one, with stands and all
02:44 PM JT-Woodshop: I re-wrote my segment calculator to be more user friendly
02:49 PM Bleepshop: OK, That A10-5700 is actually the one and only Windows machine i own and it's my gaming machine. Getting ready to check the i3 machine sitting here.
02:54 PM XXCoder: frankly if I wanted micro tablesaw, I would buy hf one and then customize it so it cant suddenly slip and table falls down, exposing more of saw
02:54 PM CloudEvil: A micro 'sawstop' tablesaw might be really neat.
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: does the rv901t have inputs as well as outputs?
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.ledcontrollercard.com/english/linsn-rv901t-led-screen-receiver-card.html
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/q3k/chubby75/blob/master/rv901t/README.md
03:02 PM sensille: CaptHindsight[m]: yes, but only very limited. you can either set all to output or all but a handful to input. but i did an easy modification: https://i.imgur.com/1ftQCCe.jpg
03:03 PM sensille: so i have 40+ outputs and 32 inputs, all 5V
03:06 PM sensille: to get started you also have to program the on-board flash via the available header (using for example an ftdi 2232h adapter)
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: been partially following the projects
03:09 PM sensille: i haven't documented mine publicly yet, but i just started the README. github.com/sensille/litehm2
03:09 PM sensille: will do a forum posts in the next few days
03:15 PM Bleepshop: CloudEvil: We've got SawStops at work. I have to keep changing carts after they try to cut damp wood. LOL
03:18 PM Plaid1: I go to a hackerspace that has one. They keep a few spares in the cabinets, but it gets tripped less then once/month. With the number of random people there, I'm shocked it's not higher.
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: too bad they didn't add that feature to the board but it makes sense that they never intended for it to input anything
03:20 PM sensille: the good thing about that board is that it has bidirectional drivers. so the mod is very easy
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah they could have gone with a different buffer and the board would require much more modding
03:26 PM sensille: or you use 2 of them, without modification. one for input, one for output
03:27 PM CloudEvil: Bleepshop: yeah, I was imagining somethign reusable, given the orders of magnitude lower blade energy
03:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: oh so you can make them input as well as output but only all the IO vs just a fraction
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so roughly 80 IN's and 80 OUT's using two boards over Ethernet
03:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for ~$40 total
03:35 PM sensille: right. (nearly) all direction pins are wired together and routed to the fpga
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Xfce 4.18 is now live!
03:37 PM * sensille types pacman -Syu
03:38 PM sensille: indeed, there it is :)
03:39 PM JT-Woodshop: https://youtu.be/Ag7mYXq0NnE?t=266
03:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how to say you are using Arch without saying Arch
03:41 PM Tom_L: JT-Woodshop, surely you have some of those clamps..
03:42 PM JT-Woodshop: not a one lol
03:43 PM Tom_L: https://www.destaco.com/clamping/manual/hold-down-clamps.html
03:44 PM Tom_L: https://www.mcmaster.com/clamps/clamping-action~hold-down/
03:45 PM Tom_L: get one with a rubber stopper on the end
03:47 PM JT-Woodshop: I've used them in the past but don't have any laying around... but my buddy at Revere should have some in the second hand parts
04:09 PM Tom_L: his hand made rope clamps are kindof interesting
04:15 PM JT-Woodshop: I missed that
04:18 PM Tom_L: ~4:44
04:19 PM JT-Woodshop: I don't see it
04:20 PM Tom_L: the crude wood blocks with ropes in them?
04:21 PM Tom_L: he's making the star pattern there
04:21 PM JT-Woodshop: maybe I'm looking at the wrong video
04:25 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8_VfrsZq0?t444
04:25 PM Tom_L: ahh i think it is different
04:26 PM Tom_L: was letting it play while doing things here..
04:26 PM JT-Woodshop: yep that's a different video
04:31 PM JT-Woodshop: interesting steady rest
04:35 PM JT-Woodshop: https://github.com/jethornton/segcalc
04:38 PM Bleepshop: JT-Woodshop: Working through your 11>13 guide now.
04:38 PM JT-Woodshop: how's that working for you?
04:39 PM Bleepshop: Actually starting with 11 to see what i get. Want to pull a latency check on this i3.
04:40 PM Bleepshop: It's still got 20 minutes or so on the netinst.
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: I didn't pay enough attention to Litex before, I thought it was for Lattice FPGA's only
04:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/litex-hub/litex-boards good sized list
04:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: is there a list of supported device vs just the boards somewhere?
04:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah: The prebuilt bitstreams for the supported boards are provided, so you can just use them for quick testing, if you want to rebuild the bitstreams you will need to install the toolchain for your FPGA:
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like many software projects that tie closely to hardware but simplifies configs, building, options etc etc they list by board vs devices
05:24 PM JT-Cave: amazon put a package in my mail box sometime today... I'm not going down there to get it now
05:29 PM XXCoder: much powder in those hills?
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: only a light dusting of snow here, but sub zero temps are on the way this week
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sub 0 F and C
05:38 PM Bleepshop: 34F outside now. ~75F in here with the woodstove going.
05:38 PM XXCoder: tues thursday and friday is supposed to get some snow here
05:42 PM roycroft: we may get a dusting as early as tonight
05:42 PM roycroft: but we probably won't get any until at least next year
05:43 PM XXCoder: thats typical yeah it hardly snows here
05:44 PM XXCoder: nov snow was bit weird
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: thanks for the Geany settings info
05:46 PM roycroft: roycroft.us/Dragon_Gate_Snow.jpeg
05:46 PM roycroft: we did not get any snow in town in november, but i was out at the fair when it snowed there
05:47 PM XXCoder: interesting
05:47 PM roycroft: well, we live in a world of microclimates
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.xfce.org/about/tour418 4.18 is out but only a package for Sid for the Debians in here
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it does look and behave nicer
06:05 PM * Bleepshop is waiting for all the crap that 'apt full-upgrade' dragged in to unpack and install.
07:16 PM Bleepshop: JT: Made it through the 13 upgrade and working on the RT install now.
07:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: an upgrade from Debian Bookworm -12 to Sid -13?
07:28 PM Tom_L: 14 is also in the mix now
07:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I did a Debian Bullseye to Bookworm to Sid a few months back
07:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is Sid #14 now?
07:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: #13 is Trixie
07:30 PM Tom_L: bookworm, trixie, forky
07:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 14 Forky
07:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah but you need to also say the number as well as the name!
07:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 12 Bookworm, 13 Trixie, 14 Forky and Sid is now holding 15th place
07:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: until 15 becomes Spoony or somethin
07:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Release_table
07:33 PM Tom_L: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
07:33 PM Tom_L: more 'official'
07:33 PM Tom_L: :)
07:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: do you prefer 12 over Bullseye?
07:34 PM roycroft: i mostly use the release numbers
07:35 PM Tom_L: i could care less but it does get a bit confusing
07:35 PM roycroft: they are easier to remember
07:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh no, you are supposed to just know them by both
07:35 PM roycroft: i don't know what the theme of debian release name is, but it must be some book or film characters
07:35 PM roycroft: and i've not read the book nor seen the film
07:35 PM Tom_L: a few never had lcnc released with them
07:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it started as a joke, then Debian got stuck with this
07:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same with ubuntu
07:37 PM Tom_L: glad they didn't start redhat, bluehat, greenhat, yellowhat....
07:38 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_IGpQI5kQ
07:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: it might be the name of the Little Rascals or the dwarfs
07:39 PM roycroft: is robin's hairdo the joke?
07:41 PM roycroft: and speaking of rascals
07:41 PM XXCoder: this old tony new video
07:41 PM Bleepshop: I'm at bookworm/sid for version, the RT 5.10 kernel is installed and I'm waiting on the uspace install.
07:42 PM roycroft: dino danelli passed a couple days go :(
07:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Sadly, Barry Gibb is now the only surviving member of the Bee Gees.
07:42 PM roycroft: xxcoder: there's a new clickspring video too
07:42 PM roycroft: only for patrons at the moment
07:42 PM XXCoder: yeah im an patreon
07:43 PM XXCoder: you know they have weekly chat on discord? 2-3 pm
07:44 PM roycroft: no, i wasn't aware of that
07:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: did you know that just about any version of Debian within 3-4 or so versions can run a kernel from other similar versions?
07:44 PM XXCoder: its pretty fun
07:44 PM roycroft: but those things usually don't work out for me
07:44 PM roycroft: timing is usually bad
07:44 PM roycroft: well the kernel and userland are pretty separate
07:45 PM roycroft: you can pretty much install a debian userland on a redhat kernel and things will mostly work
07:45 PM XXCoder: 3-4 pm used to be impossible for me as I needed to work, only during winters I could chat but now im an jobless bum so I dont miss any now lol
07:45 PM roycroft: this is the sucky time of year for dave stanton's live stream
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and kernels from one distro can work in many other distros
07:45 PM roycroft: he's in australia
07:45 PM roycroft: so he's on summer time, and i'm on standard time
07:45 PM roycroft: in the summer he's on at 6pm saturdays, which i can often make
07:46 PM XXCoder: yeah its either 2-3 pm or 3-4 pm
07:46 PM roycroft: but in the winter (here) he's on at 4pm saturdays ,and i'm almost always busy doing something then
07:46 PM roycroft: especially since that's right before the sun sets in the winter
07:46 PM XXCoder: ah dave
07:46 PM roycroft: i've kind of gotten tired of watching him anyway
07:47 PM roycroft: i never really learned much from dave
07:47 PM roycroft: i just found him oddly entertaining
07:47 PM roycroft: and the novelty is wearing off
07:47 PM XXCoder: yeah I had dropped channels for similiar reasons
07:47 PM roycroft: abom has gotten tiresome as well
07:48 PM XXCoder: while some of channels i like because its different disappears
07:48 PM XXCoder: yeah I dropped abom
07:48 PM roycroft: he's spending too much time bragging about his new shop, and not enough time making parts
07:48 PM XXCoder: exactkly
07:48 PM roycroft: anyway, i should get back to the shop
07:48 PM Bleepshop: There's a 6.0.0.6 RT kernel?
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: yes or very close to that number
07:49 PM roycroft: i just honed a new blade for my chopstick maker plane to 50 degrees, and i'm going to try to make some chopsticks out of figured maple and padouk as gifts
07:49 PM roycroft: hopefully there won't be any tearout with that steep angle
07:49 PM Bleepshop: CaptHindsight: I just saw the uspace install dragging it in.
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 6.0.0-6-rt-amd64 is what I am on right now
07:49 PM roycroft: i don't want to take it to 55 degrees
07:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but I'm also on Sid right now
07:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Sid #15, previously #14, .....
07:51 PM Bleepshop: cat /etc/debian_version gave me bookworm/sid a bit ago.
07:51 PM Bleepshop: and my desktop has a big 12 on it. LOL
07:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bleepshop: which repos are you set to?
07:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same here
07:52 PM Bleepshop: CaptHindsight[m]: I'm using JT's guides. https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
07:52 PM XXCoder: roy I miss some channels lol like that weird yt where guy makes custom toy cars or restores them. theres been zero new video for couple years now
07:53 PM XXCoder: I dont hold much interest in such thing but his working skill is quite good
08:01 PM Tom_L: mmm thur -9f
08:01 PM Tom_L: and white crap coming with it
08:02 PM XXCoder: yeah still silent for year and half now https://www.youtube.com/@baremetalHW/videos
08:02 PM XXCoder: well you guys might enjoy videos
08:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: looks pretty cold the next two weeks
08:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and we are expecting 10" of the white stuff by end of the week
08:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: now you can ssan those old toy bodies and reprint using resin printers
08:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ssan/scan
08:08 PM XXCoder: lol well while I enjoyed those videos I dont have much interest in toy cars. never had any as I was growing up
08:08 PM XXCoder: too poor
08:16 PM XXCoder: wonder whats been happening with john T guy, been quiet for getting close to a year. ;) (yt)
08:21 PM XXCoder: oh man maker's verse. was great channel though only rarely post videos. last one in 2019
08:27 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/@millenniummachineworksoffi3032/featured
08:27 PM XXCoder: forgot about that one. 3d printed mill machine
08:27 PM XXCoder: they only lasted a month then silent for half a year now
08:30 PM XXCoder: joined discord to see whats going on lol
08:41 PM XXCoder: https://github.com/MilleniumMills/Millenium-Milo-v1.4
08:41 PM XXCoder: seems theyre been building machines and its cutting alum fine
08:49 PM roycroft: well, the new plane blade did better, but i still got some tearout
08:49 PM XXCoder: welcome back
08:50 PM roycroft: thans
08:50 PM roycroft: thanks, rather
08:56 PM roycroft: i'm seriously considering getting a stand-alone laser engraver
08:57 PM roycroft: i just don't know where i would put it
08:58 PM roycroft: ideally it would have its one shed, with a really good ventilation system
08:59 PM XXCoder: enclosure with hose to outside?
08:59 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/pCCfiVgKby8 one of those printed mills running
08:59 PM roycroft: i'm pondering how/where i would do that
08:59 PM roycroft: but yeah, something like that
08:59 PM roycroft: i'm pretty sure the vent system will cost more than the machine itself
09:00 PM XXCoder: eh depends
09:00 PM XXCoder: wall plug 120mm fan and some hose
09:02 PM roycroft: it would just be for branding my wood products
09:03 PM roycroft: it would probably run for 30 seconds at a time or so
09:03 PM XXCoder: myfordboy showcased a tiny laser machine
09:03 PM XXCoder: you can place it anywhere
09:03 PM roycroft: but if it's in the house, there can be zero smoke escaping
09:03 PM roycroft: absolutely zero
09:04 PM roycroft: and one of the problems is that a lot of the pieces i need to brand will be bigger than the footprint of the engraving machine
09:04 PM roycroft: so they will have to stick out the sides, making a full enclosure problematic
09:04 PM XXCoder: yeah thats why I recommanded that portable machine
09:04 PM XXCoder: it has stand alone mode where you just hold it in hand as it engraves
09:04 PM roycroft: i'll have to settle for semi-enclosed with a big fan
09:05 PM roycroft: i'll check the video out
09:05 PM roycroft: my logo should be done by the end of the year, and i'll want to start experimenting with branding right after that
09:06 PM XXCoder: with that portable i'd build a 120mm fan with carbon and filtering
09:06 PM XXCoder: so you can use it anywhere outside house
09:11 PM roycroft: that's a $1400 laser machine
09:11 PM roycroft: i want a $400 one for now
09:11 PM XXCoder: tons of sub $200 ones but most suck
09:11 PM roycroft: yeah
09:12 PM roycroft: my slush fund for the cnc router keeps growing
09:13 PM roycroft: but prices are starting to go up on components as well
09:13 PM roycroft: i need to make sure i keep enough money for that build
09:13 PM XXCoder: not sure also, since in many cases, your build will be a lot bigger than whatever laser you want to use
09:13 PM roycroft: and i've been spending money on my new pickup
09:13 PM XXCoder: id suggest check options first
09:14 PM roycroft: yes
09:14 PM roycroft: but i do not intend to do laser engraving as part of the product itself
09:14 PM XXCoder: paint, brass plate, burn plate, laser
09:14 PM roycroft: it's just for my brand
09:14 PM roycroft: which will be along an edge
09:15 PM roycroft: so i won't have to worry about reaching the middle of a big panel
09:15 PM XXCoder: reading minimill millenium machine instructions. its interesting
09:15 PM XXCoder: not too bad then
09:15 PM roycroft: but i'll watch the rest of myfordboy's video this evening
09:16 PM roycroft: something like that might be the best way to go
09:16 PM XXCoder: maybe. the carbon filter fan thing is easy to do also
09:16 PM roycroft: i'd just have to figure out how to generate revenue from it directly right away, so i could pay it off
09:16 PM roycroft: i could buy it with six or twelve month zero interest financing
09:17 PM roycroft: i'd just have to figure out how to generate $1400 profit from it easily in six or twelve months
09:17 PM roycroft: at which point it would be free
09:17 PM XXCoder: cool :)
09:19 PM roycroft: i've seen that type before
09:22 PM Bleepshop: OK. Got latency-plot to run and beat the machine with some youtube. b-max is ~85 and s-max is ~25.
09:22 PM roycroft: it's just that they're all in the $1200-$1800 price range, which is not in my desired budget
09:23 PM roycroft: but maybe i can figure out how to make that work
09:24 PM roycroft: on the other hand, with those $200 aliexpress ones, i'd be better off taking the $200 and lighting my fireplace with it
09:24 PM roycroft: at least i'd get a little heat out of the deal
09:25 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Take the $200 to the dispensary and you'll have a smile. LOL
09:27 PM roycroft: that would probably be a better investment than sending the money to china for a box of junk
09:32 PM Bleepshop: Well duh, you'd be supporting the lcal economy. ;D
09:32 PM Bleepshop: local
09:32 PM roycroft: something i always try to do
09:33 PM * Bleepshop can remember paying $60/quarter in Eugene in 1986.
09:34 PM XXCoder: roy yeah its great for convience but if its not worth it to you thn its not
09:35 PM Bleepshop: Living in Eugene, a buddy with a 3ft glass Grafix and a snowstorm is why there's a commercial Swan FM-MK8 ice shaver sitting on my kitchen counter. Snow on demand, year round. LOL
09:36 PM roycroft: i had the most uniquely eugene experience today
09:37 PM roycroft: i went to the holiday market - it's the winter time saturday market
09:37 PM roycroft: at the county fairgrounds
09:37 PM roycroft: there were hundreds of folks there selling local handcrafts
09:37 PM Bleepshop: A Weyerhaeuser rep peed on you shoe?
09:37 PM roycroft: lots of tie-die goods, celtic designs, and other hippie stuff
09:38 PM roycroft: and right next door to the holiday market there was a gun show
09:39 PM XXCoder: fun
09:39 PM XXCoder: crafts stuff next to death stuff
09:39 PM roycroft: people who aren't from here think eugene is a hippie town
09:39 PM roycroft: they don't realise that eugene is also a redneck logger town
09:40 PM Bleepshop: roycroft: Sounds like Los Alamos. For a bunch of pacifistic scientists they're sure a well armed bunch.
09:40 PM roycroft: our former president actually had a campaign rally here in eugene in 2016
09:40 PM roycroft: clinton did not come here
09:40 PM roycroft: she took us for granted
09:40 PM roycroft: and oregon voted for her anyway
09:41 PM roycroft: we figured he would hold his rally in springtucky
09:41 PM roycroft: but he actually came to eugene
09:41 PM Bleepshop: Yeah, that's part of why I left Oregon. I discovered the difference between altruism and stupidity. LOL
09:42 PM roycroft: i came here because i love the oregon coast
09:42 PM roycroft: when i lived in bellingham i was five hours away from the oregon coast
09:42 PM roycroft: now i'm an hour away
09:42 PM Bleepshop: The rest was I burned out on The Oregon Rain Festival. Jan 1 to Dec 31.
09:43 PM roycroft: that's a bit of an exaggeration
09:43 PM roycroft: we actually have two seasons - the rainy season, and the tear-up-the-roads season
09:43 PM XXCoder: what you dont have smokey hellscope season?
09:43 PM Bleepshop: Funny. I had the hat. LOL
09:44 PM roycroft: although these days it's more like the rainy season and fire season
09:44 PM roycroft: and fire season overlaps the rainy season more and more every year
09:44 PM XXCoder: it used to be dry roads and wet roads season
09:44 PM XXCoder: summer was there to remind you what dry roads looked like
09:45 PM roycroft: new mexico is one of the few states i've never been to, and that i'd really like to visit
09:45 PM roycroft: actually, new mexico is the only state in the lower 48 that i've never stepped foot in
09:45 PM Bleepshop: Go over to Bend/Sisters and it's pretty much the same.
09:46 PM roycroft: but in arizona and colorado i've only ever been to the airport
09:46 PM roycroft: so i don't think they really count
09:47 PM roycroft: i've known quite a few folks who lived in or now live in albuquerque
09:47 PM roycroft: it seems it would be a nice place to live for artisans, except there's a lot of crime there
09:47 PM roycroft: and it's really far from the oregon coast
09:56 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K8Z1H4G?th=1
09:56 PM roycroft: that's pretty much in my price range
09:56 PM roycroft: but it's not very powerful
09:56 PM roycroft: not that i should need a lot of power for what i want to do
09:57 PM XXCoder: looks good for basic engrave
09:57 PM XXCoder: theres stronger laser one
09:57 PM XXCoder: same company
09:57 PM roycroft: yes, for more money
09:57 PM XXCoder: and theres one with same mw but with enclosure and fan
09:58 PM XXCoder: 629 for latter
09:58 PM roycroft: it looks like the user interface is a cell phone app
09:58 PM roycroft: i don't like that at all
09:58 PM XXCoder: goggles may actually match it in hz
09:58 PM roycroft: i'd have to figure out how to run linuxcnc on it
09:58 PM XXCoder: it looks yellow like my goggles
10:00 PM XXCoder: "How a $400 device like this can't connect to your computer and engrave G-code is beyond me. This is a toy, and nothing more. If they want to be taken seriously, they need some better software, or perhaps integration with LightBurn. The app feels like a joke, requires email sign in to some Chinese servers, and requires you to go through a lengthy tutorial every time you set it up on a new phone."
10:00 PM XXCoder: looks like might not be possible unless you reverse engineered the protocol
10:05 PM roycroft: well i did buy that laser head for my ender 5 a year or so ago
10:05 PM roycroft: i can always experiment with branding with that for now
10:06 PM XXCoder: ou could easily build a frame and movement for that
10:06 PM roycroft: while i look for a dedicated machine that will work well for me
10:06 PM roycroft: and if i think of a product that i can make with the $1400 one that will pay me back for the machine in a year i might just go for that
10:06 PM Bleepshop: Running 'latency-plot'. I'm guessing the units scale on the left is K ?
10:10 PM Bleepshop: \I'm still <100 for the b-max and <30 for the s-max.
11:37 PM XXCoder: lol https://youtu.be/R1DXea-x0s4
11:37 PM XXCoder: hand tool rescue recreates a insane tool
11:52 PM Bleepshop: And after muh fighting software installs, cussing and taking the name of Bell Labs in vain I am the proud owner of a working 7i96s.