#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 30 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: ever work with Joomla and the Kunena forum extension?
12:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or do you stay away from CMS? :)
01:03 AM pere: Possible source of funding for LinuxCNC activities... <URL: https://www.assure.ngi.eu/open-calls/ >.
01:37 AM Deejay: moin
03:53 AM mrec: pcw-home: are the ios on the expansion header polled at 1khz or faster?
03:53 AM mrec: (7i96s)
04:29 AM Tom_L: morning
04:30 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning, 29F and snowing...
04:36 AM Tom_L: 22F
05:17 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:19 AM JT-Shop: morning
07:05 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:10 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:58 AM pcw-home: mrec: GPIOs are polled at the servo thread rate (normally 1 KHz)
09:00 AM pcw-home: if you need faster sampling you should have appropriate firmware (encoder, UART etc)
09:53 AM roycroft: 10mm of rain today, turning to snow tomorrow
09:53 AM roycroft: our roads could get really icy tonight
10:06 AM roycroft: 2' of snow in some of the passes overnight
10:30 AM perry_j1987: morning
10:42 AM roguish[m]: we're supposed to get rain tonight and tomorrow
10:50 AM roycroft: it's raining cats and dogs right now here
10:53 AM roycroft: which is good - we're still a bit below average for rainfall for the year
10:57 AM roycroft: and that is after a record wet april
11:31 AM sensille: grin: "That will probably fail! That doesn’t make you a bad person, it just means you should read this whole document"
11:42 AM * roycroft waves goodbye to the matrix
11:44 AM travis_farmer: my discord login was the second to go... i will miss me :-(
11:45 AM travis_farmer: and i am back (the discord login)... wonder if the bridge works now
11:46 AM travis_farmer: nope...
11:46 AM XXCoder: think he set it to not bridge till its caught up if this restart is him restarting to fix bridge
11:46 AM XXCoder: you dont want month long spam scrolling at discord
11:46 AM travis_farmer: true
12:57 PM * roycroft wonders if those folks all took the red pill this morning
12:58 PM XXCoder: nah ita matrix doing its own bridge restart, affected most of channels im in
12:58 PM XXCoder: bot is bridge endpoint and havent been set again yet
01:15 PM sensille: i'm trying to build linuxcnc and run it in place. with halrun i get motmod.so: undefined symbol: update_joint_homing_params
01:16 PM sensille: should i just be able to run scripts/halrun?
01:16 PM sensille: or is it somehow mixing with the installed version?
01:24 PM roycroft: it might be linking to the global shared libraries, and you may need to link it against your self-contained installation
01:25 PM roycroft: i'm not familiar with how that's done with linux - with bsd you could add (if i recall correctly) SHLIB_DIR= to the makefile, or set it as an environment variable
01:29 PM * sensille runs the tests
01:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i forget the details but you have to get RIP into your Path each time or make it persistent
01:32 PM sensille: source ../scripts/rip-environment
01:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and you can't have LCNC installed as a package and RIP at the same time
01:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "or is it somehow mixing with the installed version?" yes
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the whole point of RIP is to install without using packages and the package manager
01:33 PM sensille: i basically just want to make some changes to the hostmot2 driver
01:34 PM sensille: my idea was to build it from source and load it with the installed halrun. but that failed, too
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a good question for persons that work with software
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sensille: ask on the forums
01:41 PM sensille: tests are successful
01:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can have the LCNC package installed and RIP on the same system, I misspoke before
01:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you just want to test changes to a LCNC driver for your RIP version then just run make and run RIP
01:52 PM sensille: the mentioned symbol changed from 2.8.2 to 2.8.3, so there is some mixing up
02:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are you just trying to save time compiling?
02:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the preferred method is to always use make clean vs make
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if all you changed was some driver source you should not have to do anything besides rebuild and run the RIP
02:07 PM sensille: sure, but rip does not work for reasons i haven't figured out yet
02:19 PM roycroft: probably the best thing to do is spin up a docker instance and install it in that
02:19 PM roycroft: or a vm, if you're set up to do that easily
02:22 PM sensille: for now i checked out older sources that about match my installation. looks better, no unresolved symbols
02:22 PM sensille: but at some point i need to get to the bottom of this
02:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/i2cy/CH347-HIDAPI might be handy for someone, just not for real time
03:40 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] if I 3D print a cube, the vertices of the cube tend to slightly curl up. Any idea off the top of your head as to what settings I can tune?
03:40 PM solarwind: It pretty much happens to any sharp outer corner, where it feels like the nozzle moving away is pulling the plastic it just deposited along with it
03:47 PM roycroft: assuming you have your extrusion rate dialed in, look at the jerk and acceleration settings
03:48 PM roycroft: if your printer is not very rigid, the jerk setting may be to slow, and the print head will linger at a corner
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: do you have access to a high speed camera and strobe?
03:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: depending on the slicer there are all sorts of tweaks to get the flow right
03:50 PM solarwind: Yeah I think it's the bed temperature and travel speed
03:50 PM solarwind: also part cooling fan should be on
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's similar when depositing high viscosity pastes and gels through a nozzle
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you don't time it all correctly you get all sorts of whiskers, serifs etc etc
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: please don't say linger
03:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: worst ear worm ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Kspj3OO0s
04:00 PM XXCoder: lingering finger
04:26 PM JT-Shop2: click, whir, beep -------------- beep--- beep-beep-beep.... wtf is that
04:26 PM JT-Shop2: pc won't boot up
04:27 PM Tom_L: what brand MB?
04:28 PM Tom_L: 1 Beep - Refresh Failure. Reseat/replace memory, troubleshoot motherboard.
04:28 PM Tom_L: 2 Beeps - Parity Error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 3 Beeps - Memory Error (first 64KB) ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 4 Beeps - Timer Failure. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 5 Beeps - Processor Failure. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 6 Beeps - Keyboard Controller Failure. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 7 Beeps - Virtual Mode Exception Error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: 8 Beeps - Display Memory Failure.
04:28 PM Tom_L: gigabyte:
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep ：Memory Error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep：Memory parity check error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep ：basic memory 64K address check error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep ：Real Time Clock malfunction. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep ：CPU error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep：Keyboard error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep ：CPU interruption error. ...
04:28 PM Tom_L: short beep：Graphic card error.
04:28 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y5GPKJR
04:30 PM Tom_L: pm
05:20 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: JT-Shop2: Get an air line on it. could be a short due to dust.
05:20 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: happened to me last month. 200 quid later :(
05:21 PM XXCoder: be sure to not use too high psi
05:21 PM XXCoder: I remember one where guy blew clean pc, and stuff broke oiff
05:21 PM XXCoder: he was using car tire pump air
05:21 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: that's kind of funny.
05:22 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Oh and if you have one of those moisture removal things connect it.
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: how many quids in a pound?
05:23 PM JT-Shop2: how many squids in a pound
05:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah 1:1
05:24 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: yep. its slang. does america have slang for a dollar (I'm assuming your american)
05:24 PM XXCoder: male deer
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: uhmerican
05:24 PM XXCoder: aka bucks lol
05:25 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: ahh lol, thats almost cockney slang.
05:25 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I heard greenbacks before.
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: also depends on how much like an old movie gangster you wish to sound like, fin, sawbuck, double sawbuck etc
05:26 PM XXCoder: greens, lettuce
05:26 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: and bucks actually in films.
05:26 PM * JT-Shop2 listens to the blues brothers and rubber biscuit
05:26 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: CaptHindsight: thats cool. i like that terminology.
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah ah woo whoo
05:27 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYyBZE0kBtE
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wish sandwich
05:28 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: this is how complex it can get here. https://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/subjects/money
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sunday go to meetin bun
05:28 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrjiJp8zr5Y
05:28 PM JT-Shop2: better one
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: https://youtu.be/hWUaT5ovZ50?t=47
05:31 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Ha ha yeah. I had a mate that spoke like that.. ..drifted apart, I couldn't understand him.
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop2: it's almost time for me to watch No Time for Sergeants again
05:32 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I actually think he was nuts thinking about it.
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's one of my holiday classics now
05:32 PM JT-Shop2: that's a great film
05:33 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: CaptHindsight: Trt "Dad's Army" if you like that.
05:33 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Try*
05:34 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Old uk tv show about the home guard.
05:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: i have a seen a bit of it, I'm more a Python fan for that era
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i used to frequent a British Pub in Chicago where we shared lots of BBC shows
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now I can watch it streammed
05:36 PM JT-Shop2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0UvIZw-Y0
05:36 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I prefer my IPA or APA, british beer sits too heavy now.
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: I watch more British TV than uhmerican
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: I'm more a fan of sours
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and scotch
05:37 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: sours?
05:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but I do crave a Speckled Hen and some others from time to time
05:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: soured ales, Belgian mostly
05:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Flanders red ale, Gose Lambic's, Oud bruin etc etc
05:39 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I like fruity beer. hence IPA. OH I almost forgot I love hoegaarden
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we have a couple home brewers in here
05:40 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Belgian wheat beer
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: I drink Weihenstephan beer
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: I think since 1690 they got it right
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: we have a few regs in here from the UK
05:41 PM JT-Shop2: opps 1040
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when the brewery was just a pile of rocks with a roof and a door
05:52 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Yeah that looks like a wheat beer. (really bad head in the morning though.)
05:52 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: opps 1040?
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: year it started
05:52 PM JT-Shop2: yep the year it started
05:52 PM JT-Shop2: no clue what 1640 was in my head
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or older breweries with 3 digit founding years
05:52 PM JT-Shop2: but none survive today
05:52 PM JT-Shop2: in any case it's time to retire for the night
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1000 years is enough time to get the recipe right \
05:52 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: German beer might be close.
05:59 PM roycroft: monks do not get drunk
05:59 PM roycroft: they just brew strong ale to provide nourishment while they are fasting
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: do they molest young boys?
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: (dark turn taken)
06:01 PM roycroft: if it seems they are intoxicated, that is with the spirit of the lord, not from the spirits they consume
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: is that CMS question outside your wheel house?
06:02 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgjcYk-MIEc
06:02 PM roycroft: what cms question?
06:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looking for someone that knows
06:03 PM roycroft: knows what?
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: ever work with Joomla and the Kunena forum extension? the editor for our forums really stink
06:03 PM roycroft: oh
06:03 PM roycroft: i did some stuff with joomla many years ago
06:03 PM roycroft: but not with that extension
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: most actually hate it (strong appropriate word)
06:04 PM roycroft: if i were familiar with it i'd be happy to advise on it
06:04 PM roycroft: but if i'm honest, i've offered my help so many times with the forum and website and been rejected so many times, i'm not interested in actually learning something to help with it any more
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: New Features:
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: www.kunena.org/docs/en/advanced/k5.1/new-features
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wysibb.com/demo/
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Is this new editor any better?
06:05 PM roycroft: it's clear that the powers that be, whoever they are, prefer to muddle through things on their own vs. getting someone new involved who may actually be able to improve things
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft yeah I get it, I was just going to try one more time
06:05 PM roycroft: that said, if i knew joomla better already i'd be happy to share what i know
06:06 PM roycroft: but i'd have to relearn it at this point
06:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i could not find an IRC channel
06:06 PM roycroft: it's been at least a decade since i touched it
06:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: only a support forum with the same complaints
06:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a few years old so looks like they will not fix
06:06 PM roycroft: probably closer to two decades
06:06 PM roycroft: it was pretty young and raw when i last managed joomla sites
06:07 PM roycroft: that was even before my drupal days, so late 2000s, i'd guess
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I thought it was all open source
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like it's not
06:07 PM roycroft: i think it was, once upon a time
06:08 PM roycroft: anyway, sorry i can't help
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh wait https://github.com/kunena
06:08 PM roycroft: i may be installing some forum software for the country fair soon
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but with all our forums members who is going to take a chance at updating it
06:08 PM roycroft: i haven't managed forum software in quite a while
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it is very cative
06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: active even
06:09 PM roycroft: if i do it for the fair, it would probably have to be something compatible with wordpress
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT looked into it in the past, looks like SOL till the new release
06:10 PM roycroft: that software is likely going to have to wait, though
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't know who actually though it was ready for release years ago
06:10 PM roycroft: i've been informed that a petition arrived in the mail today for the removal of a director from our board
06:10 PM roycroft: so i'll likely have to conduct a special election by february
06:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: trial by fire?
06:11 PM roycroft: we've never had a special election before in the 53 year history of the fair
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: were there is a group there is drama
06:11 PM roycroft: so this is new territory for everyone
06:11 PM roycroft: well the drama is going to cost me at least 100 hours of my time
06:12 PM roycroft: so i'm not excited about it
06:12 PM roycroft: and it's going to put all my other work for them on hold for a few months
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tell them to elect and new assistant to the title that you have
06:12 PM roycroft: it's also going to cost us $10k, if i certify the petition
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and have them do it
06:13 PM roycroft: since i don't get paid, i don't think anyone would want to be my assistant
06:13 PM roycroft: assuming assistants get paid less than their supervisor
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh lots just do it for the title and power
06:13 PM roycroft: if my salary is $0, then an assistant would have to pay us for th eprivilege
06:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: more than payment enough
06:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: as long as they get boss someone around
06:14 PM roycroft: well i do it because i believe in the philanthropic and stewardship missions of the fair
06:14 PM roycroft: it's an honor to serve the organization, even when it's a pain in the arse
06:15 PM roycroft: anyway
06:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok so the forum editor stays broken
06:15 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Sounds like your after a Internship for a student.
06:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: better luck next time
06:15 PM roycroft: the ironic thing is that if i have to conduct a special election, i need to put my other projects on hold
06:15 PM roycroft: but i may need this forum software to conduct the special election
06:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: can't you have it like a bake-off or some sort of treasure hunt?
06:16 PM roycroft: but that has nothing to do with joomla
06:16 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Developer Catch 22 situation.
06:16 PM roycroft: we're not broke
06:17 PM roycroft: we have over $3 million in the bank, and we have way more than that in real estate holdings
06:17 PM roycroft: but that doesn't mean it makes sense to spend $10k on an election (we just had one in october), just because some of our members are acting like 5-year-olds
06:18 PM roycroft: i have a dinner engagement in a bit, right near the town office of the fair
06:19 PM roycroft: i guess i should get ready early, so i can stop by and pick up this petition, and have a better sense of what is going to happen
06:19 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I watched a video on Gitea from the last Blender Conference. Apparently its an opensource development platform. I don't understand it myself but it may be of interest
06:19 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPVAgRhDg4U&list=PLa1F2ddGya__2Ip2UB-xp6M54cQVvw1W-&index=81&ab_channel=Blender
06:19 PM roycroft: i installed gitea once
06:20 PM XXCoder: roycroft: heavy snow here
06:20 PM roycroft: i found it convoluted and disoragnized
06:20 PM roycroft: so i hear, xxcoder
06:20 PM roycroft: 70k people without power in the south sound area
06:20 PM roycroft: and more snow up north, in skagit and whatcom counties
06:20 PM XXCoder: ouch hope its fixed soon
06:20 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Oh, not good. I hope people are safe.
06:21 PM roycroft: i ended up installing a gitlab server, most of whose features i don't use, but gitlab is a lot cleaner and easier to use than gitea, imo
06:21 PM XXCoder: isnt lab one plan to require pay to use thing?
06:21 PM roycroft: it can be self-hosted
06:21 PM roycroft: which is what i do
06:21 PM XXCoder: ok
06:22 PM roycroft: this is mainly for my personal use
06:22 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: It is blender though. the branches must be bigger than a sequoia tree.
06:22 PM roycroft: to avoid spending $5k+ on a cad library package
06:22 PM roycroft: i just use gitlab and git lfs and manage my cad files that way
06:22 PM XXCoder: versioning too
06:23 PM roycroft: it's not nearly as good as a proper cad library utility, but it gets the job done
06:23 PM roycroft: yes, that's what a cad library does
06:23 PM roycroft: organization and versioning of cad files
06:23 PM XXCoder: well yes. just saying that its nice thing to have
06:23 PM roycroft: the problem is that most of the cad files i manage are not in plaintex format
06:24 PM roycroft: so a text-based versioning system like git doesn't handle them particularly well
06:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i have never needed a CAD lib package
06:24 PM XXCoder: yeah likely it would take more space
06:24 PM roycroft: the "diffs" it stores are completely copies of every version, so there's a lot of storage bloat
06:24 PM XXCoder: but honestly doesnt matter at end
06:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the new tools have it built in, or i just use rev # and dates
06:24 PM roycroft: i find it useful on complex projects that take me a long time
06:25 PM roycroft: i work on the project, check it in
06:25 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I just started a BlenderCAM discord. I learn best by trying to explain it to others. so When I learn it will make a tutorial to remind myself on how to use it. Hopefully I can use some kind of asset manager to manage my own files just using Blender.
06:25 PM roycroft: when i get back to it with some different ideas, i just fork a branch, work on the new ideas, and either merge them in with the original or whatever
06:26 PM roycroft: but i don't like tossing the earlier versions - it sometimes takes me a while to find the right path for my project, and that often involves some back tracking
06:26 PM roycroft: anyway, the gitlab server on a vm on my home network, with a nas as the storage, works out great for me
06:26 PM roycroft: and the nas now backs up to a wasabi s3 bucket every night, so i have encrypted offsite backups
06:28 PM roycroft: ok, it's time to go find out how much hell my life is going to be fore the next three months
06:28 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: wow that's in-depth. here's me struggling with remembering what i did last week.
06:28 PM roycroft: and then time for good food and refreshing beverages right after :)
06:28 PM roycroft: themightyfozz: i am an old person
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 👍️
06:28 PM roycroft: i no longer pretend that i can remember things
06:29 PM roycroft: so i rely on technology to remember things for me
06:29 PM roycroft: freeing me to be old and without worry :)
06:30 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: I wonder could i set up Blenders asset manager to look after my CNC projects.. ..if it's designed for a movie production pipeline, It should have some functionality for me.
06:31 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: first. I need to learn how to use it.
06:32 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Oh Yes, Oh Yes it can!
06:44 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: Blender asset library is amazing. I need to start cataloguing my models in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJC0y6HqyAU&t=338&ab_channel=askNK
06:45 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: relevant bit starts at about 6:18
06:45 PM TheMightyFozz[m]: does anyone else use this?
11:08 PM mrec: Tom_L: I think I'm going to remove that 1.5kw motor which you have recommended and put it on my CNC mill; there are 1.5kw servos available from JMC it will also allow indexing on the lathe