#linuxcnc Logs
Nov 01 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:05 AM Thorhian[m]: I hear helical gears are pretty good if made well.
12:15 AM roycroft: my impression is that they're not worth the extra cost for an application like mine
12:15 AM xxcodery: wood stuff tend to not need all that precision
01:05 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/5geH8WV.jpg
01:05 AM xxcodery: hopefully it wasnt delivered just like that lol
01:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: ballscrews this size get a bit pricey
01:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: box for refernce
01:06 AM roycroft: well now it looks like no first frost this week
01:06 AM roycroft: i used to build cabinets for a living, but it's not my interest now, thorian
01:06 AM roycroft: woodworking is though
01:07 AM xxcodery: heard cabinets is high pay work
01:07 AM xxcodery: also pretty shitty work
01:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 5mm pitch 40mm screw
01:07 AM roycroft: i did not get rich, but i made an ok living
01:08 AM roycroft: it's not bad work, but it's pretty boring, monotonous work
01:08 AM roycroft: little creativity
01:09 AM roycroft: i enjoyed that cabinet set i built last summer because i hadn't done that kind of work in a while, and i tried some new things
01:10 AM roycroft: i especially enjoyed it because it was such an improvement to my shop
01:10 AM roycroft: but i'm not ready to do it again
01:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I got around 50pcs of 12x 48 cabinet doors for $1ea, was going to cover a wall unit with sheet metal shelving but never got around to it
01:14 AM xxcodery: roy nice. yeah i love that design
01:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe tracks so they slide vs hinges
01:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: did you get that bad filament sorted out?
01:15 AM roycroft: the chargebacks were settled in my favor
01:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: \0/
01:16 AM xxcodery: awesome
01:16 AM roycroft: i still have not disposed of the defective stuff
01:16 AM CaptHindsight[m]: toxic smoke ceremony
01:17 AM roycroft: i keep trying to think of something that can be done other than sending it to the landfill
01:17 AM xxcodery: one I can think of is melt casting
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I'd cut through each roll and then send it back
01:17 AM roycroft: it would cost money to send it back
01:18 AM roycroft: cutting through each roll is an idea though
01:18 AM roycroft: i want to donate it to someone who can use it for something
01:18 AM roycroft: but i do not want anyone trying to put it in a 3d printer
01:18 AM roycroft: that would be cruel
01:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: pretty crappy stuff to be unprintable
01:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: sell it off for weed wacking
01:19 AM roycroft: it's too brittle for that
01:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: how about "Jesus String" magic string that only breaks when you sin
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Santa good vs bad string
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: if it breaks you're gonna get coal this xmas
01:22 AM roycroft: the way the energy cartels are behaving, coal might be a desirable gift this year
01:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: yay coal
01:23 AM roycroft: coal is just a young diamond
01:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 👯♀️
01:27 AM xxcodery: hah
01:29 AM Loetmichel: i think my PC needs a new PSU... second time its off in the morning and needs 20 or so power button presses before it starts up all the way
01:29 AM Loetmichel: :(
01:31 AM xxcodery: ow
01:36 AM CaptHindsight[m]: bad button
01:36 AM CaptHindsight[m]: BIOS is ignoring you
01:40 AM Loetmichel: nope, more like: PSU shuts off after a second or two
01:40 AM Loetmichel: i think the caps are going bad
02:10 AM xxcodery: fun
02:10 AM xxcodery: rpi4 os has some leak that evenually locks up lol
02:11 AM xxcodery: notice it can last 2 to 3 days. nothing compared to my pc basically immortality (I had over 400 days once)
02:15 AM pere: xxcodery: can you see the leak in top? any numbers increasing?
02:15 AM pere: sound like something to report as a bug to the developers.
02:16 AM xxcodery: its likely discord
02:16 AM xxcodery: its well known problem, and they dont fix it
02:17 AM xxcodery: I close it and open new tab once a while but it dont completelt clear
02:18 AM Deejay: moin
02:19 AM pere: rpi4 os and discord? Isn't that just a user space application?
02:19 AM pere: (where ever resource is released when exited, I mean)
02:19 AM xxcodery: i use website discord not app
02:20 AM xxcodery: and yeah even on my poc, discord always slowly gets more and more lagged.
02:20 AM pere: is the memory still leaked once the browser is closed?
02:20 AM xxcodery: tab of discord yeah
02:20 AM pere: ok, so the bug should be reported to the bowser developers.
02:21 AM xxcodery: did
02:21 AM pere: aha. url?
02:21 AM xxcodery: they "dont see the problem"
02:21 AM xxcodery: discord.com
02:22 AM pere: discord.com are not browser developers. did you report it to a bug tracker somewhere?
02:23 AM xxcodery: they require test for ability to report
02:23 AM pere: btw, is this raspian ordebian?
02:23 AM xxcodery: very strict test so fuck that
02:24 AM pere: ok. discord.com is non-free software, so I guess you deserve what you get. :)
02:24 AM xxcodery: how do I find out? im pretty sure its just stock os for rpi4
02:24 AM xxcodery: ok thats.. nice comment
02:25 AM pere: perhaps 'lsb_release -a' give some useful info?
02:25 AM pere: only way to debug any issues with discord.com is to accept the horrid terms of use of the service, making it out of range for at least some developers.
02:26 AM pere: 'Distributor ID' from lsb_release should tell you the origin of the OS.
02:27 AM pere: anyway, got to run. :)
02:56 AM sensille: Loetmichel: okay, so no toolchanger for me :) but maybe i give this 3dprobe a try: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003466415556.html
02:57 AM sensille: probably not good enough for a mill, but it should do for the 6040
02:58 AM sensille: Z height is very nice
03:01 AM xxcodery: thats not bad
03:02 AM sensille: you know that model?
03:17 AM sensille: why do they specify a minimum feed rate?
03:43 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:48 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning
03:53 AM pere: hi
04:28 AM jpa-: sensille: nice, bought it for test
04:30 AM xxcodery: that probe thing?
04:31 AM jpa-: yeah
04:31 AM jpa-: probably more accurate than my diy things at least :)
04:31 AM xxcodery: seems nice
04:32 AM jpa-: and cheap enough that i'm not pissed when someone at the hackerspace breaks it
04:58 AM Tom_L: morning
05:36 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:58 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
06:40 AM JT-Cave: getting a billion updates to the debian 13 ssd to see if the 7i96s will work on the debian version of emc
06:42 AM TurBoss: Good morning
06:42 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:53 AM pere: JT-Cave: using bookworm or sid?
06:54 AM pere: JT-Cave: the sid version have not yet propagated to bookworm. waiting for seb_kuzminsky to have time for a source only upload.
06:54 AM JT-Cave: dunno what cartoon name it has
06:54 AM pere: lsb_release -a can tell you. :)
06:55 AM JT-Cave: it says bookworm/sid
06:56 AM JT-Cave: IIRC the name is not updated until it's released or something like that so I'll just stick with debian 13
06:57 AM pere: <URL: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linuxcnc > show the package status. not yet propagated, as it had to clear NEW processing with the ftpmasters to gain german doc package.
07:01 AM JT-Cave: I'm not following you, are you saying the debian repo has not been updated since feb 24 2022?
07:03 AM pere: did not notice any such claim common across my keyboard, so not sure what you are referring to?
07:03 AM pere: s/common/comming/
07:08 AM JT-Cave: no, but you're telling me that something has not been propagated I assume in response to my previous statement about checking to see if 7i96S works on debian 13 now
07:13 AM pere: sure. the two versions on that page are 2.9.0~pre0+git20220906.02744cdef6-1 and 2.9.0~pre0+git20221023.7a5beabae0-1, which are from september and octover, not february.
07:13 AM pere: sadly the october upload have not yet propagated to bookworm.
07:14 AM JT-Cave: neither of which have anything to do with the 7i96S working on debian 13
07:15 AM pere: I thought perhaps the oktober version supported more hardware. probably wrong.
07:18 AM JT-Cave: oh I see, no new mesa hardware since the 7i96S came out, the new 7i92T will just work as the old 7i92 did
07:25 AM JT-Cave: sadly mesaflash has not been updated on debian since 1-22-22
08:01 AM perry_j1987: morning
08:05 AM JT-Cave: 1264 packages to update on debian 12 lol
08:06 AM perry_j1987: i talked to gecko yesterday
08:06 AM perry_j1987: they said its real tough to tune the g320x drives with 4000 line encoder servos
08:07 AM perry_j1987: suggested getting much lower resolution encoders on this lathe
08:13 AM * JT-Cave tops off the gnat killing stations
08:15 AM travis_farmer[m]: is there a buildbot repo for lcnc on bullseye yet? or still just manual install/update?
08:16 AM JT-Cave: which version is bullseye
08:16 AM travis_farmer[m]: deb 11 i think
08:18 AM JT-Cave: I don't see any for debian 11 however debian 12 you can just install from synaptic package manager
08:18 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11-emc.html
08:20 AM travis_farmer[m]: hmmm, maybe i will try a upgrade to deb 12... just my test laptop anyway
08:26 AM * JT-Cave notices it's time to start his chicken day
09:08 AM jepler[m] is now known as jepler1088[m]
09:13 AM perry_j1987: i think i may have figured something out heh
09:14 AM perry_j1987: i had it in my mind 4000 for these encoders but thats the total so its actually 1000ppr
09:14 AM perry_j1987: so i had set these g320x drivers to half of 4000 so 2000 where i should have set the following error to half of 1000
09:14 AM perry_j1987: i wonder what kind of difference it will be once i get out to the shop
09:46 AM fogl: hello everybody
09:47 AM fogl: iwould like to see the DBG messages from rtapi_pci. I set the "debug 5" at hal, but the messages rtapi_print_msg(RTAPI_MSG_DBG, still dont show up.
09:48 AM fogl: Does anybody have an idea why or how can i turn those on.
09:52 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_emc_section
09:55 AM fogl: What this means - that i should compile linuxcnc with debug flag set on?
09:57 AM pcw-home: debug is usually a driver command line option
10:01 AM travis_farmer[m]: upgrade on my test laptop to debian bookworm failed (kernel panic when it rebooted), so that was all for not. will try a ISO install at some point. so my lcnc test laptop is now down for the count, LMAO 🤣
10:05 AM fogl: i tried to run halrun -V, but it still doesnt show debug messages from rtapi_pci when loading pci_driver.
10:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: how did you install Bookworm? What source did you use?
10:14 AM travis_farmer[m]: the regular debian repo, bookworm branch
10:15 AM travis_farmer[m]: then did "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"
10:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: did you try a different kernel?
10:17 AM travis_farmer[m]: it auto loaded the v6 RT kernel. i will play around with it more later. that laptop isn't for my production machine, so it is not time critical.
10:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you should have a at least a couple kernels to choose from when it boots
10:20 AM travis_farmer[m]: yeah, i think there was one other kernel
10:33 AM roycroft: debian 12 is still about a year away from being released, isn't it?
10:33 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or spring at the earliest
10:34 AM roguish[m]: good morning.. anyone run Fusion360 ???
10:34 AM * roycroft will get interested in it in a few months
10:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: RTAI testers needed https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/47276-rtai-5-3-3-beta-release-for-linuxcnc-needs-testing-esp-on-intel#255670
10:54 AM JT-Cave: after doing an update on debian 12 and 13 I see linux-image-6.00-2-rt-amd64 in synaptic
11:10 AM justache is now known as justPardoned
11:48 AM roycroft: oh brother
11:49 AM roycroft: my boss asked me to set up a new email account, with both local delivery and forwarding to a third-party support/ticketing system
11:49 AM roycroft: so i did
11:49 AM roycroft: he emailed me and said that i set it up incorrectly, as it's not being delivered locally and it's forwarding to the wrong address
11:50 AM roycroft: so i emailed him back showing the contents of the inbox on our local server and the mail logs showing it was forwarded as requested
11:50 AM roycroft: he told me the logs must be wrong because it's not working right
11:50 AM * roycroft suspects this is not going to be a fun day
11:55 AM roycroft: yup, it's going to be not fun
11:55 AM roycroft: "it's being delivered to the wrong support queue"
11:55 AM roycroft: "i'm sending it to the address you requested"
11:55 AM roycroft: "yes, but it's not arriving in the right place - you need to fix that"
11:56 AM roycroft: i have no access to this third-party ticketing system
11:56 AM * roycroft appreciates working with machines more than working with people sometimes
12:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I once had a customer that was in the Audio/Video industry for decades that wanted to send control signals through the analog TV to a computer and not the other way around.
12:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "well doesn't the remote control do that?"
12:04 PM roycroft: that can be done
12:04 PM roycroft: it might cost a fair amount of money to modify the tv to be able to do it
12:05 PM roycroft: it would be easier, i should think, to add an ir receiver to the computer and program it to receive signals directly from the tv remote
12:05 PM roycroft: you know, like virtually all modern remotes do
12:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this was the late 80's
12:07 PM roycroft: it is really testing my patience trying to explain to my boss that if i deliver an email to an address he specifies that is not hosted on a mail server to which i have access, nothing i can do will affect how it's handled by the remote mail server
12:08 PM roycroft: it's especially trying my patience because i've been managing mail systems for him for over 30 years
12:08 PM roycroft: he should know better by now
12:08 PM roycroft: in the '80s there were still wired remotes for many devices
12:08 PM roycroft: i remember an early vcr that i had that had a long cord connecting the remote to the machine
12:08 PM roycroft: and tvs had those going back to the '60s, at least
12:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and you have mentioned his goofy crap enough time to know that he just does goofy crap
12:09 PM roycroft: i keep worrying that it's dementia setting in (he's in his mid-70s)
12:09 PM roycroft: but then i think back to 30 years ago, and it was the same thing then
12:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wireless remotes were usually one of the kids
12:14 PM roycroft: my tv and dvd player and tivo have remotes
12:14 PM roycroft: but it all feeds into my mcintosh c-28 pre-amp, which dates to the mid-70s
12:14 PM roycroft: and does not have a remote
12:14 PM perry_j1987: testing out this traveling steady finally got it on the lathe
12:14 PM roycroft: so i get to get up and walk over to the hifi to adjust the volume
12:15 PM perry_j1987: looks like it does not quite line up right off mm or so
12:15 PM roycroft: and i don't mind - a couch potato with working legs is less unhealthy than a couch potato that does not move
12:15 PM roycroft: my lathe did not come with a follow rest
12:16 PM roycroft: however, the very similar grizzly model did
12:16 PM roycroft: and i ordered a grizzly one
12:16 PM roycroft: it does not line up well
12:16 PM roycroft: most parts for the grizzly work fine on my lathe, but the rest does not
12:16 PM roycroft: iirc the steady rest also does not line up correctly
12:16 PM roycroft: so i'll need to adjust both of those
12:16 PM roycroft: that's been on my todo list for a while now
12:17 PM perry_j1987: everything is a project with these tools lol
12:17 PM roycroft: yes
12:17 PM roycroft: machinery, especially the lower-end stuff, is to be considered kits, not working products
12:18 PM roycroft: i'm seriously considering just buying a brand new, shorter lathe
12:18 PM roycroft: mine is a 12x36, and i think i've turned something long maybe once or twice
12:18 PM roycroft: a 12x24 would fit in my shop a lot better, and getting something new would be really nice
12:19 PM roycroft: especially since the ways are fairly worn on mine up by the spindle
12:19 PM perry_j1987: i am thinking of getting a set of emco concept 55 machines
12:19 PM perry_j1987: lathe and mill
12:25 PM roycroft: https://www.precisionmatthews.com/shop/pm-1127vf-lb/
12:25 PM roycroft: that's not a bad lathe
12:25 PM roycroft: it has a d1-4 camlock spindle, which is nice
12:25 PM roycroft: and it's a pretty useful size for me
12:27 PM perry_j1987: the emco concept 55 has turret and everything setup nice
12:59 PM miss0r2: 'evening
01:01 PM fogl: ertzuiopššššljhgfdiopžđfzuiopšđ
01:01 PM fogl: tzuiopšđ
01:28 PM * JT-Shop presses the old Kroy printer into service to make some wire labels...
01:43 PM roycroft: it's lunch time, and the rain is due to start any time
01:43 PM roycroft: i need to put new tabs on my prius and install an indicator light fixture on my pickup
01:43 PM * roycroft hopes he can get all done before the deluge returns
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind:
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02:10 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] LOL yeah
02:11 PM solarwind: That's steps away from the university
02:14 PM solarwind: I haven't been to that area in 10 years. Damn, that was a long time ago
02:14 PM solarwind: I forgot how young kids are in undergrad
02:22 PM cpresser: the linuxcnc-iso download is rather slow (400kB/sec). Is there a faster host for that image?
02:23 PM solarwind: cpresser link me to it and I'll make it available on my server
02:26 PM solarwind: cpresser it's probably your internet
02:27 PM solarwind: I'm getting a solid 34MB/s for https://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/linuxcnc-2.8.4-buster.iso
02:32 PM cpresser: solarwind: thanks, while I was away for a few minutes I now got > 6Mb/sec
02:32 PM solarwind: Mb or MB?
02:32 PM solarwind: There's a factor of 8 difference
02:32 PM cpresser: Mbytes, not megabits
02:33 PM solarwind: nice
02:33 PM solarwind: Ugh I don't know what to do about this Leadshine sales rep who's not even giving me a quote. Automationtechnologies guy is cool though
02:34 PM solarwind: But I need a specific motor, one of the low speed high torque models for a robotic arm application
02:34 PM solarwind: I'm trying to CC the higher ups so they're aware of his fuckery
02:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: local Toronto area leadshine rep?
02:48 PM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] no the USA one
02:48 PM solarwind: Canada doesn't have one
02:48 PM solarwind: So if I order, I have to go through the USA sales office, or thankfully, automationtechnologies
02:49 PM solarwind: Name and shame: his name is Chris Li and he got mad because I asked him what the analog sample rate and bandwidth is
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how dare you!
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I asked a robot manufacturer what type of encoders and interface they use for them and it was top secret
02:51 PM LPMattei: is there anyone online will to walk a noob thru setting up an XHC wireless mpg with Linuxcnc 2.8.4 ? I have been trying to read thru all the info, but honestly I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the info and honectly, it is like trying to read Greek for me.
02:52 PM solarwind: Yeah that's usually a great indicator to avoid that manufacturer. In this case, the Leadshine drives are actually decent and cost effective
02:52 PM roycroft: people blow up leadshine drives a lot
02:52 PM roycroft: but i don't think that's an inherent fault with leadshine drives
02:52 PM roycroft: they are cheap because they don't indiot proof them
02:52 PM roycroft: idiot
02:53 PM solarwind: I mean it's industrial equipment, I expect the manual to be thorough
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LPMattei: start a forum post about it, that is your best bet other than paid support
02:54 PM LPMattei: ok
02:55 PM roycroft: the take-away from what i said is that if you're a n00b/idiot leadshine might not be the best drives to get
02:55 PM roycroft: if you know what you're doing they are very cost effective and folks say they work well
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LPMattei: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/search?query=XHC&childforums=1
02:56 PM solarwind: This is the real winner though: https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/t6-series-750w-ac-servo-motor-kit-3000rpm-2-39nm-17-bit-encoder-ip65-t6-rs750h2a3-m17s
02:56 PM roguish[m]: it's impossible to idiot proof anything as a designer could never be an idiot....
02:56 PM solarwind: It's the leadshine EL6 drive and motor combo
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: solarwind: about 1/2 the price of what automation tech has
02:56 PM solarwind: yeah
02:57 PM solarwind: But this is the EL6 series drive that only accepts step/dir input. I would prefer to get the EL7 drive with analog or EtherCAT
02:58 PM * roycroft wishes we could idiot proof our electoral system, but sadly we're at a point where only idiots would want to be politics, so we've accomplished the opposite of what we should want
02:58 PM roycroft: be in
02:59 PM roycroft: i hope our engineering tools do not develop to the point that only idiots would be interested in engineering, as it would be too boring for smart people
03:01 PM bjorkint0sh: smart people need an attitude adjustment.
03:03 PM travis_farmer[m]: i only have an IQ of 111, so i only need a minor adjustment... 😉
03:08 PM roycroft: person, woman, man, camera, tv
03:09 PM roycroft: hmm, i guess i'm smart
03:09 PM roycroft: so i'll have the adjustment, please
03:17 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:27 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
03:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bjorkint0sh: ok, I'll bite, what adjustment would that be?
03:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: there is no longer much need for anyone smart, just do as you are told, buy stuff and shut up
03:35 PM Tom_L: and don't complain when it breaks
03:36 PM xxcodery: I see some confusion between IQ and education
03:36 PM xxcodery: latter is more important. former just makes it easier for person to do latter
03:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "I never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
03:37 PM travis_farmer[m]: unless you are Autistic, like myself...
03:39 PM travis_farmer[m]: i was always terrible in school. learn better now, outside of it, as i can focus on what i love.
03:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if we talk about reality too much we are going to upset the MAGA's in here
03:41 PM travis_farmer[m]: ok, back to unreality then 😉
03:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nah, just don't talk about, or you'll get a warning about how it's not a LCNC related topic
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or talk about it and just ignore them
03:42 PM travis_farmer[m]: lol
03:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are enough adults in here
03:43 PM roguish[m]: maybe
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tell me what to think, please
03:43 PM roguish[m]: the moon is made of cheese......
03:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: in a dairy based universe
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03:46 PM roycroft: so my prius is throwing codes again
03:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nobody said that idiots don't deserve equal rights under the law
03:47 PM roycroft: it does this periodically, and whenever i make an arrangement to have my mechanic look at it the codes go away before i get there
03:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they need to be taken care of same as anyone
03:47 PM roycroft: it's doing it again now, and it's persisting
03:47 PM roycroft: my code reader that i bought for my vw only displays vw codes
03:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: you must have a good mechanic
03:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: devices only fear good techs
03:48 PM roycroft: yes, he was, but unfortunately he has some health issues and ended up moving back to new mexico
03:48 PM roycroft: and i don't have a new good mechanic
03:48 PM roycroft: but i just saw this new product:
03:48 PM roycroft: https://www.harborfreight.com/merchandising-promotions/new/zrbt1-obd2-bluetooth-code-reader-59091.html
03:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shhsh,don't tell your Prius
03:48 PM roycroft: i wonder if that has a chance of working
03:49 PM solarwind: pcw-home what PCIe chip are you using for the 6i24?
03:50 PM roycroft: that dongle costs less than the cost of getting the codes read by a mechanic
03:50 PM solarwind: pcw-home also, which of the analog boards have an ADC that can do at least 4kHz sample rate? I want to run some motors in torque mode
03:50 PM roycroft: except mine would have done it for free
03:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I have the Centech version of this https://www.harborfreight.com/zr8s-obd2-code-reader-with-live-data-57667.html
03:50 PM roycroft: but any other mechanic is going to charge $75 to read the codes
03:51 PM roycroft: is it worth the $99?
03:51 PM roycroft: that seems like it may do more than the bluetooth one
03:51 PM roycroft: i'd like to be able to read the codes on my pickup as well
03:51 PM roycroft: diesel mechanics are pretty expensive
03:51 PM solarwind: I'm also wondering if I should run coaxial cable for the analog signal from the ADC to the servo drive. I'm pretty sure it's single ended
03:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it reads all engine codes and has live data
03:52 PM roycroft: maybe i'll get that one instead
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I'd loan youmine if youwere closer
03:52 PM roycroft: hf are supposed to be sending me a credit card
03:52 PM roycroft: they're taking their sweet time about it though
03:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: man my space bar is really acting up
03:53 PM roycroft: i don't really need their cc except it gets me an additional 10% off on my first purchase, even on sale/coupon items
03:53 PM xxcodery: theres cheaper ones
03:53 PM roycroft: i was going to buy a winch with it
03:53 PM solarwind: Or possibly just make my own simple DAC board to sit right next to the servo drive, and run digital from the MESA cards right up to the DAC
03:53 PM roycroft: maybe i'll buy a winch and a codd reader
03:53 PM roycroft: but do the cheaper ones work well?
03:53 PM xxcodery: if its odb2 you should be able to buy one for $20 or so, in least last time I bought one
03:53 PM roycroft: the one i got for my beetle was about $35
03:53 PM roycroft: and it would only display vw codes
03:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I'd look at the Prius forums for what people find works well as an OBD-II reader
03:53 PM roycroft: and not even all of them
03:53 PM bjorkint0sh: CaptHindsight[m]> bjorkint0sh: ok, I'll bite, what adjustment would that be? the devil is in the details.
03:53 PM roycroft: and displayed no live data
03:54 PM roycroft: and while it could clear codes, it was clunky to do so
03:54 PM bjorkint0sh: a lot of boring things tend to be neglected because smart people are not entertained.
03:54 PM roycroft: good idea, capthindsight
03:54 PM solarwind: Or at that point possibly just hijack the ADC interface on the drive itself and run straight digial
03:54 PM solarwind: digital
03:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we have some brand specific tools that let us reset the ignition keys and similar
03:54 PM roycroft: althoug i'd prefer one that's pretty universal
03:54 PM xxcodery: mine had some live stuff, and could display pretty many code errors, but then i dont remember brand or where i got mine
03:55 PM roycroft: i don't care about a fancy display
03:55 PM roycroft: i just want the numbers
03:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: a good reader should work, but if you need to reprogram ignition keys and similar I'd check the forums
03:55 PM roycroft: i don't think i'll need that
03:56 PM roycroft: btw, i just gained about 30hp on my pickup today
03:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: did you paint the air filter housing red?
03:57 PM roycroft: the engine has an air intake sensor, that trips when it's sucking too hard
03:57 PM roycroft: it was not tripped when i bought the vehicle, but the engine has been a bit sluggish since i bought it
03:57 PM roycroft: when i was doing some minor stuff to it at lunch today i decided to check the air filter, even though the sensor said it was ok
03:58 PM roycroft: the filter was completely coated with a thick layer of dirt/mud
03:58 PM roycroft: so i went and got a new one
03:58 PM roycroft: *vroom*
03:58 PM roycroft: now i have to sort out why the sensor is not working
03:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: I'd check all the fluids since the previous owner did not maintain it well
03:59 PM roycroft: i did check all the fluids
03:59 PM roycroft: and there was an oil change 400 miles ago
04:00 PM roycroft: done by a service shop - it even showed up on the carfacts
04:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: consider a trans refill, radiator flush, new oil for diffs etc
04:00 PM roycroft: but yes, i am considering all of that before too long
04:00 PM roycroft: the good news is that i don't drive it much and won't drive it much
04:00 PM xxcodery: depending on how long since last checkup, brake checkup
04:00 PM xxcodery: I usually do that each 2 years
04:01 PM roycroft: so if i don't get all that stuff checked/replaced by winter it will probably be ok until spring
04:01 PM xxcodery: should do that soon once stuff stabilizes
04:01 PM roycroft: i'll put maybe 500 miles on it before spring
04:01 PM roycroft: this engine wants oil changes every 5000 miles
04:01 PM roycroft: and it takes 15 quarts of oil
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i easily do that some weeks
04:01 PM roycroft: my prius is my daily driver
04:02 PM roycroft: but even the prius only does about 500 miles/month these days
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 500 not 5000
04:02 PM roycroft: since i started working from home full-time my driving has been seriously reduced
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah i used to 40k miles a year
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now I'm under 20K
04:04 PM xxcoder[m]: I used to have around 6k miles a year
04:04 PM xxcoder[m]: now its under 1k
04:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is the problem with being out in the cornfields, you have to drive an hour to civilization
04:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: most of my neighbors don't travel more than 10minutes by car in any direction, might be the inbreeding
04:07 PM travis_farmer[m]: i used to burn a tank of gas in my V8 pickup truck in less than a week. now, being out of work, it still has gas from august...
04:11 PM xxcodery: last time I refueled car was 2 weeks ago. before that was in june
04:11 PM JT-Shop: hmm pistol and rifle jags are 8-32 but my tap or a screw won't go in...
04:12 PM roycroft: gasoline is under $5/gallon now here
04:12 PM roycroft: diesel is still about $5.50
04:13 PM JT-Shop: hmm the jag threads measure 0.152 od and my tap is 0.171 od
04:15 PM Tom_L: different prcision of thread
04:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/threads/thread_classes_of_fit.pdf
04:18 PM Tom_L: possibly
04:21 PM JT-Shop: I got enough out with a 6-32 tap so it will work again... no more plastic jags
04:24 PM JT-Shop: I pushed a fix for pci card updating the ini a while ago
04:24 PM Tom_L: i saw a push but haven't had a chance to see what... will build later on
04:27 PM roycroft: weld it on and be dne with it for good
04:31 PM roycroft: there's a coupon for that code reader
04:31 PM roycroft: $20 off
04:32 PM xxcodery: you might be able to find good deal on aliexpress due to 11.11 day
04:32 PM xxcodery: but then shipping probably long time
04:33 PM roycroft: aliexpress is my next to last place to look for something
04:33 PM roycroft: wal*mart is the last place
04:33 PM roycroft: and fortunately, i have never had to go to wal*mart
04:37 PM xxcodery: only time im entering walmart is by feet first
05:04 PM JT-Shop: you guys are a wuss... walmart is not that scary unless you go when the weirdo people are awake
05:08 PM xxcodery: its not people inside im concerned about
05:08 PM sinned6915: @JT-Shop : when I was teaching and visiting schools on interviews, visiting Walmart at midnight was a 'criteria'
05:09 PM JT-Shop: got to see the pajama people?
05:10 PM sinned6915: it was indicative of the community
05:10 PM sinned6915: ok, dumb question-
05:10 PM sinned6915: lets say I have a cheapy 3018 mill router that is already set up
05:11 PM sinned6915: has a working GRBL controller on it
05:11 PM sinned6915: can we use LinuxCNC as a host station to feed it GCODE?
05:12 PM sinned6915: I thought there was something like this, but it was a combo controller board.
05:18 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:20 PM sinned6915: anyone?
05:21 PM Tom_itx: no
05:21 PM Tom_itx: linuxcnc processes the gcode itself
05:21 PM Tom_itx: like grbl
05:21 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
05:23 PM Tom_L: what you need is a comm program to drip feed grbl if it can even do that
05:24 PM sinned6915: so i HAVE to drop a BOB in there and rewire
05:24 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, building
05:25 PM Tom_L: not knowing exactly what you have i will say yes
05:25 PM sinned6915: its not the end of the world, i was trying to be efficient
05:25 PM sinned6915: a dumb, stupid 3018 mill
05:25 PM sinned6915: with a grbl board on it
05:26 PM Tom_L: well step up to linuxcnc and you will have a smart stupid 3018 mill
05:26 PM sinned6915: https://lounge.mikkel.cc/uploads/a24737d0ab66fe61/image.png
05:27 PM sinned6915: its not a lot of work, but its already wired and done
05:27 PM JT[m]: Does it have stepper drivers
05:27 PM sinned6915: stepsticks on the grbl board
05:28 PM Tom_L: probably nothing he can salvage
05:28 PM sinned6915: if there was a way to do DB25-RAMPS, then it would be an easy swap
05:28 PM Tom_L: maybe l298 or whatever those cheap chips are
05:28 PM sinned6915: but its all the terminations that are the killer
05:28 PM sinned6915: they are DRV8825's actually
05:29 PM JT[m]: You will need stepper drivers and a BOB at the least if you have a parallel port
05:29 PM sinned6915: right
05:29 PM sinned6915: what is the next step up from that?
05:29 PM Tom_L: are those nema17 steppers?
05:29 PM JT[m]: Mesa 7i96S
05:29 PM sinned6915: I have a NUC but it does not have ppt
05:30 PM Tom_L: ^^ would cover the control & BOB
05:30 PM Tom_L: you'd be left with needing stepper drives
05:30 PM sinned6915: would need to do either ethernet or USB
05:30 PM Tom_L: 7i96s is ethernet
05:30 PM sinned6915: yes, i can get cheapy TB6660's
05:30 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc doesn't do usb
05:30 PM JT[m]: https://mesaus.com/product/7i96s/
05:30 PM sinned6915: crap, that is right
05:32 PM sinned6915: anyone these?
05:32 PM sinned6915: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/43324-connecting-smart-serial-cables
05:32 PM JT[m]: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
05:36 PM Tom_L: smart serial is for add on cards to mesa cards for additional IO
05:38 PM Tom_L: andy made those to simplify wiring it up
05:41 PM sinned6915: yes, the ease of woring intrugues me
05:42 PM sinned6915: if i could make something similar to use as an interconnect between the external drivers and JST socket for the stepper wiring, it would make things cleaner
05:43 PM JT[m]: He sent me a few
05:43 PM Tom_L: wish i had a couple.. i forgot he did those
05:44 PM Tom_L: i've got a header wired i swap out now though
05:45 PM sinned6915: JT[m] do you think andy would share the basic design to be modded?
05:45 PM JT[m]: They only fit the 7i76e IIRC unless you get vertical connectors
05:45 PM JT[m]: For the sserial board?
05:46 PM sinned6915: yes
05:46 PM Tom_L: JT[m], pr 42 up
05:46 PM JT[m]: Ask him, he may still be up, it's only 11:45 pm at his house
05:47 PM JT[m]: Tom_L thanks
05:47 PM Tom_L: i didn't see him here
05:47 PM JT[m]: I can't see on my phone
05:47 PM Tom_L: i didn't notice you were on a phone :)
05:47 PM Tom_L: so i'll take the [m] as mobile instead of matrix :)
05:48 PM JT[m]: Matrix
05:48 PM Tom_L: i know...
05:48 PM JT[m]: lol
05:49 PM Tom_L: i've got revolution irc on my android but don't use it much
05:50 PM Tom_L: i did add a ssh client so i can restart the bot if i'm out of town
05:50 PM JT[m]: I never found an irc client that works well on the phone
05:51 PM Tom_L: this is called juiceSSH
05:51 PM Tom_L: i've tried it a time or two
05:52 PM JT[m]: I think an eagle just flew bu
05:52 PM JT[m]: By
05:52 PM Tom_L: we've got a few around here
05:52 PM Tom_L: more than ever before
05:52 PM Tom_L: 3-4
05:53 PM JT[m]: Hopefully I can get the correct shift fork pads by the weekend and start putting the Corvette back together
05:54 PM JT[m]: Bald or golden?
05:55 PM Tom_L: bald
05:56 PM Tom_L: did you get the wrong ones?
05:56 PM JT[m]: No, they sent me the wrong ones
05:57 PM JT[m]: Got the rear O2 sensors loose and the front are soaking
06:01 PM roguish[m]: so much for the forecasted rain. we got one short, light shower...........
06:02 PM JT[m]: Rain due Saturday here
06:14 PM Tom_L: JT[m], https://www.kansas.com/news/state/article249945884.html
06:16 PM Tom_L: pretty cool to see them flying around
06:17 PM JT[m]: Subscribe only lol
06:17 PM Tom_L: sry, it opened right up here.. no subscription
06:18 PM JT[m]: Np
06:18 PM Tom_L: 68 nests within 100 mi of here
06:19 PM JT[m]: Wow
06:19 PM Tom_L: one in a tree no less than 10 feet from a resident’s backyard.
06:20 PM Tom_L: in 1990 there were only 2
06:23 PM JT[m]: Not many puppies or kittens left I assume
06:23 PM Tom_L: plenty of those to go around here as well
06:23 PM Tom_L: at least in the city
06:24 PM Tom_L: i'm sure there's plenty of wildlife to sustain them
06:26 PM JT[m]: Chow time
06:26 PM Tom_L: meatloaf
06:27 PM roycroft: the interesting thing about eagles is this:
06:27 PM roycroft: all raptors have a habit of looking back over their shoulder right before they catch their prey
06:27 PM roycroft: except eagles
06:27 PM roycroft: they never look back
06:27 PM Tom_L: they like it live too don't they?
06:28 PM Tom_L: not roadkill..
06:28 PM roycroft: they do
06:28 PM roycroft: i've seen more eagles snatching salmon out of rivers than anywhere else
06:29 PM roycroft: so not only do they prefer live food, they prefer live, delicious food
06:32 PM roycroft: so the code my prius is throwing is an abs brake fluid low code, and that makes sense
06:32 PM roycroft: because there are two freeway onramps where i can predictable trigger the code
06:32 PM roycroft: and they are both fairly steeply banked
06:33 PM roycroft: the brake fluid level is fine
06:33 PM xxcodery: time to purge and refill?
06:33 PM roycroft: but if i'm accelerating on a steeply banked onramp the fluid would shift towards the center of the vehicle
06:33 PM roycroft: and could trigger the sensor, depending on where it's located
06:34 PM roycroft: the question is: why does the code persist for a few days or a week after it's triggerd and then automatically clear?
06:34 PM roycroft: and why hasn't it cleared in almost 2 weeks this time?
06:34 PM roycroft: it's cleared now, of course :)
06:37 PM roycroft: next time i go to woodcraft for something i'll make sure to take the route that has one of the onramps that triggers the code
06:37 PM roycroft: and i'll bring the scanner with me so i can check right away to confirm that that is the code that is being thrown
06:38 PM roycroft: actually, the other one that does it is in the town where i used to work
06:38 PM roycroft: and i'm going down there tomorrow for a meeting, so i'll test it then
06:39 PM xxcodery: nice
06:52 PM xxcodery: CaptHindsight[m] got idea what good cheapish pci-express POST diagosis card I can get?
07:00 PM Tom_L: roycroft, does it measure brake fluid temp?
07:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: xxcodery: sorry I have no suggestions
07:04 PM xxcodery: no problem thanks
07:12 PM xxcodery: https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Graphics-Connector-Extension-Express/dp/B08DFQD2DY/
07:12 PM xxcodery: wonder if that would work
07:18 PM Tom_L: https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-00N1-00092?Description=post%20diagnostic%20card&cm_re=post_diagnostic%20card-_-9SIAK97B246303-_-Product&quicklink=true
07:19 PM xxcodery: tom that os what I have. and its only for MINI pcie. like on laptop and such
07:20 PM Tom_L: what's the long edge for?
07:22 PM xxcodery: theres 2 kinds of mini-pcie
07:22 PM Tom_L: i'm about a century behind on MB tech
07:23 PM xxcodery: mini-pcie and mini-pci/lpc
07:23 PM xxcodery: me too lol
07:23 PM Tom_L: is M2 pcie?
07:23 PM xxcodery: not sure
07:25 PM Tom_L: the ones for $80 look like they'd plug into just about anything
07:26 PM xxcodery: yeah and expensive. im still considering that mini pci to pci-e adoptor
08:40 PM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
11:23 PM xxcodery: test
11:48 PM sinned6915: xxcodery: we read you 5 x 5
11:51 PM xxcodery: yeah it was irc to discord test. it failed unfortunately
11:51 PM xxcodery: in least matrix side works
11:51 PM roycroft: roger wilco