#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 25 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: "a thin passivation layer of alumina (4 nm thickness) forms in about 100 picoseconds on any exposed aluminium surface." https://www.metallurgyfordummies.com/aluminum-oxide.html
12:30 AM xxcodery: hm faster than what i remembered. thanks
12:31 AM xxcodery: wonder if it keeps oxiding till layer depth is too deep for oxygen to reach more alum
01:22 AM Deejay: moin
01:35 AM pere: CaptHindsight[m]: thanks for the metallurgyfordummies link. lots to learn for me there. :)
04:23 AM Tom_L: morning
04:23 AM Tom_L: 47F
04:34 AM cpresser: xxcodery: yes and no. Its a classical diffusion process. So it does get exponetially slower over time.
04:34 AM xxcodery: ahh thanks
05:25 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:32 AM JT-Cave: 72°F
05:33 AM JT-Cave: high of 66°F
05:49 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning, 55F with a high of 67F, with drizzles
06:26 AM mrec: finally I have a camera on my mill, so nice it will save a lot time I feel
07:19 AM solarwind: Anyone know if these guys are genuine or knockoffs? https://www.fasttobuy.com/Supply-delta-servo-kits_c496
07:19 AM solarwind: They sell Delta, Yaskawa, Pananosnic, Mitsubishi servo kits
07:20 AM solarwind: I love how the currency setting label is "Dimensions:"
07:20 AM solarwind: CaptHindsight[m] appealing to the machinist in all of us don't ya think?
07:25 AM solarwind: pcw-home I have a few questions because I'm putting together a system, not necessarily a CNC machine and I have to decide on servo drives. Are you available for questions? This is for a client who will be purchasing tens of units of the system at minimum. I really really want to support your products because I love the principle and the relative openness, but documentation is hard to find and
07:25 AM solarwind: there's no information on the 8C20
07:26 AM solarwind: so I'm kind of stuck on this decision, and I'd rather not support big multi billion dollar companies
07:27 AM solarwind: They're all basic questions about the product that other companies put in their datasheet/manual, but I can't find any of that on the MESA devices
07:28 AM solarwind: pcw-home what's the best way to contact you for questions. Would it be email or phone or just IRC messages?
07:50 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: That website probably has genuine products but they will be grey market/surplus and have no warranty support outside of (and maybe in) China.
08:27 AM solarwind: Yeah my concern for development purposes is cost
08:27 AM solarwind: in the final product, it's not as big a factor, but always still somewhat a factor
08:38 AM solarwind: ZincBoy[CAON][m] sorry to bug you about this, but do you have any more information on the 8I20 servo amplifier about its serial interface?
08:38 AM solarwind: I can't find any information on it
08:38 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: The manual is pretty good at spelling out the protocol.
08:39 AM solarwind: ZincBoy[CAON][m] you mean this manual? http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/parallel/6i25man.pdf
08:40 AM solarwind: There are no links to the manual I can see
08:44 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/8i20man.pdf
08:44 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: http://www.mesanet.com/software/motion/8i20.zip
08:56 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, time to build some debs or should i wait a bit?
09:09 AM JT-Cave: wait until I'm done adding ini4 and multiple mdi commands
09:09 AM Tom_L: k
09:10 AM JT-Cave: when you see version 1.0.0 it will be time to build
09:10 AM Tom_L: :)
09:11 AM Tom_L: i noticed somebody was using it this morning
09:18 AM JT-Cave: the guy that went to the old link?
09:18 AM Tom_L: yeah
09:18 AM JT-Cave: I put up a redirect page at the old location
09:18 AM Tom_L: saw that
09:19 AM Tom_L: you trying to move it all to master now?
09:56 AM JT-Shop: ini4 is in master now, just need to test it before I build a deb and finish up mdi commands
09:57 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/commit/c9c4b52cd7c343a032a40e3bd6d6bd008af3bc1b
10:04 AM satiowadahc1171[: Is that for making and maintaining ini files for lcnc or just for mesa cards?
10:05 AM satiowadahc1171[: Also have you seen configparser? https://docs.python.org/3/library/configparser.html
10:14 AM Tom_L: mesa cards
10:14 AM JT-Shop: and configparser sucks
10:15 AM JT-Shop: configparser is not named correctly it should be configtrasher
10:20 AM satiowadahc1171[: Seems very similar?
10:21 AM JT-Shop: what does?
10:21 AM satiowadahc1171[: configparser to your ini file
10:59 AM JT-Shop: configparser strips any comments and does not allow more than one key name to be the same in a section out so not usable
11:12 AM satiowadahc1171[: It allows comments? The duplicate key thing I have mixed thoughts on. the number of times I've seen a duplicate item in Linuxcnc configs and had it screw me up is more than I'd like to admit. On the other hand things like mdi commands could just be incremented.
11:16 AM JT-Cave: it allows comments but does not write them back
11:16 AM JT-Cave: linuxcnc you can have multiple halfile entries in the hal section
11:18 AM JT-Cave: linuxcnc would choke on mdi_command_1
11:18 AM JT-Cave: I spent two months trying to get configparser to work correctly
11:21 AM satiowadahc1171[: I mean no offense, just always been curious.
11:25 AM roguish[m]: satiowadahc#1171: the most important thing you can do for LinuxCNC is to RTFM. all the configurators are just simple helpers. certainly not end-alls. it's way too complicated to create a perfect configurator for all options and applications. JT does fabulous work, gratis....
11:26 AM JT-Cave: no problem and my code is just a better behaved version of configparser
11:28 AM satiowadahc1171[: Not all our configs are written by me 😉 Sometimes debugging someone elses ini, and finding they set `MAX_SPINDLE0_SPEED`. By default most configuration files of applications don't allow double terms for these reasons.
11:28 AM satiowadahc1171[: setting it twice*
11:30 AM JT-Cave: lunch minute is up for me...
11:30 AM * roycroft is about to take his breakfast break
11:36 AM * JT-Shop spent 2 hours on the phone with stamps.com tech support only to figure out that windblows 7 won't run the software anymore
11:40 AM * roycroft considers stamps.com to be scammers anyway, and would consider that their software not working is a good thing, as it prevents the scam
11:42 AM serp5 is now known as serp
11:50 AM rene-dev54 is now known as rene-dev5
11:50 AM sinned69153 is now known as sinned6915
11:58 AM JT-Shop: and this configparser conversation has put an idea in my head to handle the hal and halui sections in a different manner than the rest
11:59 AM justache is now known as justHaunted
12:21 PM perry_j1987: morning guys
12:22 PM perry_j1987: i need some advise on tuning these gecko g320x servo drives
12:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc-old/tuning/index.html
12:43 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: @perry_j1987, what do you need to know. I use G320x drives on my lathe. You do need a scope to tune them easily.
12:52 PM perry_j1987: ya i was afraid of that
12:52 PM perry_j1987: will have to take them out to get the shrouds off it looks like for the scope?
01:03 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I think so? It has been a while since I did it. It was pretty easy to do once you have a scope on it. The only other trick is to make sure you don't have the following error set too low.
01:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i figured the halui one at least may need some special attention
01:04 PM JT-Shop: I can use the same special attention for the hal section
01:04 PM perry_j1987: following error?
01:04 PM JT-Shop: so now I have a snap on torque wrench do I have to get a snap on tool box to put it in?
01:05 PM Tom_L: just paint an old box red
01:06 PM Tom_L: you got it already?
01:06 PM perry_j1987: ZincBoy[CAON][m] i think i've seen popups for that in before
01:08 PM perry_j1987: looks like ini has FEROR= 10 and min_ferror = 1
01:09 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: INI won't make a difference as the following error is set in the G320 drive.
01:09 PM perry_j1987: ah
01:10 PM perry_j1987: oh ya i have those set for 2000 i think
01:10 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, mcmaster is overnight to here usually
01:10 PM perry_j1987: They are 4000 counts per Rev encoder
01:14 PM roycroft: mcmaster are still in the same location (reno) as they always have been, but they're now two days ground for me instead of overnight
01:14 PM roycroft: thanks, ups!
01:28 PM Rhine_Labs: @JT-Shop> No I piss my snap-on guy off having all my tools in US General boxes.
01:28 PM JT-Shop: lol
01:34 PM roguish[m]: roycroft: Mcmaster also has a few others. one in LA, and I think one in Chicago....plus more???
01:35 PM roguish[m]: been to the LA one...it's big
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roguish: the McMaster just outside Chicago has more conveyors than most airports
01:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they make you drive all the way around it for will call
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://goo.gl/maps/kZXxA61nkMA58PR17
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01:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they have managed to price everything to ~$20 or more
01:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if it costs less than $20, then it gets bundled into larger packs
01:45 PM roycroft: rogueish: mcmaster have, i think, more like dozens of distribution centers
01:45 PM roycroft: but reno is the closest to me, and almost everything i get from them ships from reno
01:45 PM roycroft: i'll occasionall get something from fremont
01:46 PM roycroft: reno is also a 7 hour drive from here, so there's no reason ups can't get things here in a day
01:47 PM roycroft: except perhaps at times in the winter when the passes are closed
01:49 PM roycroft: they went from overnight most of the time pre-pandemic to overnight almost all the time early-mid pandemic to always 2 days late pandemic
01:50 PM * roycroft is going to go see how well his plastic "razor blades" work now
01:51 PM * CloudEvil wonders what the softest ferritic material is
01:54 PM CloudEvil: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/28/jresv28n5p643_A1b.pdf
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: do liquids count?
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: dispersed ferromagnetic particles in foams or gels?
02:08 PM CloudEvil: (above paper is on the properies of very pure iron)
02:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: room temp? solid block?
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02:19 PM perry_j1987: just ran home to grab a oscilliscope
02:19 PM perry_j1987: trying to get a reading on these g320 drives
02:35 PM pere: hi
02:55 PM roycroft: you can tune a gecko, but you can't tune a fish
02:58 PM perry_j1987: been a year or so since i played with this oscilliscope
02:58 PM perry_j1987: trying to remember how to zero in on the signal heh
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03:48 PM JT[m]: The broken part is the tiny plastic bit by the shift fork
04:43 PM perry_j1987: https://postimg.cc/XrTBr7VQ it rotated it when i uplaoded but here's what i got right now
05:03 PM Tom_L: JT[m], synchros ok?
05:03 PM Tom_L: and did that break off the fork?
05:05 PM JT-Shop: yep the synchros are ok, it's a u shaped part made from plastic and it just broke I guess
05:06 PM Tom_L: new one available?
05:06 PM JT-Shop: 10 for $3
05:06 PM Tom_L: building master btw to look over
05:06 PM Tom_L: so you gonna fix it 9 more times?
05:06 PM Tom_L: :)
05:06 PM JT-Shop: ok, I have a few tweaks to finish
05:07 PM JT-Shop: well it takes two pads per shift fork
05:07 PM Tom_L: are the synchros brass?
05:07 PM Tom_L: i'm used to seeing brass ones...
05:07 PM Tom_L: err no that's just the shifting ring
05:08 PM JT-Shop: it's the shift fork pads that broke
05:11 PM Tom_L: right
05:12 PM Tom_L: i was never that fond of GM's plastic timing sprockets either
05:13 PM Tom_L: program error occurred... loadini.py line 226 opening an ini
05:14 PM Tom_L: mainwindow object has no attribute mdiCmdLE
05:14 PM JT-Shop: I may have not pushed the latest work on mdi
05:14 PM Tom_L: k
05:15 PM Tom_L: did you put that in a separate file?
05:15 PM Tom_L: or just redo how you handle hal and halui
05:15 PM JT-Shop: changed the name to mdiCmdLE_0 1 2
05:16 PM Tom_L: oh.. i remember seeing that now
05:17 PM Tom_L: what if i have more than 3?
05:17 PM JT-Shop: once the code is done I can add as many as I want
05:17 PM Tom_L: ok
05:17 PM JT-Shop: 3 is a good place to start
05:17 PM Tom_L: right
05:17 PM Tom_L: i have 5 on the mill
05:19 PM Tom_L: gonna put them in a growing array (or what i think of as an array)?
05:19 PM Tom_L: i have what i call scatter and gather functions that do that
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05:22 PM Tom_dev: FUNCTION SCATTER
05:22 PM Tom_dev: LOCAL Fvals[FCOUNT()], Fnum := 1
05:22 PM Tom_dev: AEVAL(Fvals, {|| Fvals[Fnum++] := FIELDGET(Fnum)})
05:22 PM Tom_dev: RETURN Fvals
05:22 PM JT-Shop: no, they will be a line edit for each one
05:22 PM Tom_L: funny how languages differ
05:22 PM Tom_L: AEVAL traverses an array acting on each element
05:25 PM JT-Shop: can you create a new config from scratch?
05:26 PM Tom_L: yeah i suppose
05:27 PM Tom_L: i'll open that one in an editor so i can have realistic numbers
05:27 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/issues/38
05:27 PM Tom_L: one sec
05:28 PM JT-Shop: pcw-home, sales.mesanet.com gives me a 403 forbidden
05:28 PM JT-Shop: oh nevermind it's store not sales lol
05:30 PM Tom_L: i entered a name for the build and 'check config' checkconfig.py line 91 index out of range
05:30 PM Tom_L: oh and a board and ip
05:31 PM Tom_L: no data entered yet just config name, board, ip and units
05:35 PM JT-Shop: ok, I need to test in the morning
05:35 PM Tom_L: adding stuff to see if it goes away
05:36 PM JT-Shop: I can look here but don't want to change anything
05:37 PM JT-Shop: I think I have changes that are not pushed
05:38 PM JT-Shop: hmm I should download the latest deb here and test that
05:38 PM Tom_L: i just built from master after sync with yours
05:39 PM Tom_L: entered axis data and still errors
05:40 PM JT-Shop: yep master may have errors but 0.7.4 works fine
05:40 PM Tom_L: i thought it was 0.7.4
05:40 PM Tom_L: you mean the 0.7.4 deb?
05:41 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:41 PM Tom_L: maybe i should try that since that's where they got the error
05:41 PM JT-Shop: I think he cloned and ran because 0.7.4 deb works fine for me
05:42 PM Tom_L: probably
05:47 PM Tom_L: yeah because this time i get warnings of the minimum requirements when i try to check config
05:47 PM Tom_L: which btw is awesome :)
05:47 PM Tom_L: ...for a noob
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05:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, if you've been emailing him i'd just have him dl the deb
05:49 PM Tom_L: and explain you're in the middle of a major update
05:50 PM Tom_L: ahh i see you did
05:53 PM JT-Shop: aye once I started the major update I stopped building debs until we can test it
05:53 PM Tom_L: probably good to keep the older ones too i suppose
05:53 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:53 PM Tom_L: at least a few
05:53 PM JT-Shop: that's why I keep some
05:53 PM JT-Shop: prob need to delete 0.7.1 and 0.7.2
05:54 PM Tom_L: partially why i date the ones i build
05:54 PM JT-Shop: I see that now
05:55 PM Tom_L: typo on the one on the 9th i see too
06:01 PM Tom_L: btw, my torque wrench came in a red case :)
06:02 PM perry_j1987: i just dont know about these servos
06:02 PM roycroft: i think one of my torque wrenches came in a red case, but all of mine are craftsman
06:02 PM Tom_L: no idea who made craftsman
06:02 PM roycroft: and they're all at least 30 years old, so they are craftsman from back when craftsman were decent tools
06:02 PM Tom_L: mine is probably 40 yrs old now
06:02 PM roycroft: i don't know either
06:03 PM roycroft: but they are all pretty nice - they all are the click type
06:03 PM Tom_L: yeah
06:03 PM roycroft: the inch/pound one and the 3/8" foot/lb one i've never had calibrated, because i don't use them that much
06:03 PM roycroft: but the 1/2" foot/lb one i get calibrated every 10 years or so
06:03 PM Tom_L: if i had to modify a wrench i'd get craftsman otherwise i usually got snapon
06:03 PM roycroft: and again, i don't use it that much, but i use it more than the other two combined
06:04 PM roycroft: craftsman usually did fine for me - they were at my sweet spot
06:04 PM Thorhian[m]: I have finally managed to get island detection working in my tool path algorithm. Ugh. That was time.
06:04 PM roycroft: i'm not a professional mechanic, so i did not need top end tools
06:04 PM Tom_L: i did shorted a snapon one iirc to get the distributor lockdown screw on a cheby small block
06:04 PM roycroft: i've been getting more snap-on combination wrenches lately, though
06:04 PM Tom_L: they made a hook wrench for it but i never got one
06:05 PM roycroft: they're a little smaller profile than craftsman, and so fit in to tight places better, and are more comfortable to hold
06:05 PM Tom_L: it's pretty easy when you're young and they show up once a week
06:05 PM roycroft: especially since the trucks had an easy pay plan
06:06 PM roycroft: you just got what you wanted/needed and figured out how to pay for it later
06:06 PM Tom_L: been there
06:06 PM JT-Shop: craftsman is a company
06:06 PM roycroft: and if you didn't pay up the snap-on driver would talk to your boss, who would kick your butt
06:06 PM Tom_L: i usually paid outright though
06:06 PM JT-Shop: sears did not produce craftsman
06:06 PM roycroft: craftsman is a brand
06:06 PM JT-Shop: right
06:07 PM roycroft: there were some tools made by craftsman
06:07 PM Tom_L: they didn't have the polished ones early on though
06:07 PM roycroft: but many were rebranded from other manufacturers
06:07 PM roycroft: yeah, my early wrenches were not polished
06:07 PM JT-Shop: time to retire
06:07 PM roycroft: but virtually all of the ones i have now are
06:07 PM roycroft: polished ones are a lot easier to clean/keep clean
06:07 PM Tom_L: i got some old model T wrenches in the box too
06:09 PM roycroft: well this timing is perfect
06:09 PM Tom_L: oh wow.. i just discovered googling that one of the ones i had is a ford wrench too
06:09 PM Tom_L: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Nh4AAOSwIRdjFLcI/s-l400.jpg
06:09 PM roycroft: i just finished installing some tie-down anchors in the stake holes in my pickup bed
06:09 PM Tom_L: the adjustable one
06:09 PM roycroft: and now it's raining
06:10 PM Tom_L: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/249390.html
06:11 PM Tom_L: i've got a couple of those
06:12 PM roycroft: nice
06:12 PM roycroft: my ford pickup mostly uses metric fasteners though
06:12 PM Tom_L: heh, yeah it's a bit newer
06:13 PM roycroft: and not from the awkward era
06:13 PM Tom_L: they gotta keep changing fastener heads to keep the tool makers in business
06:13 PM roycroft: i used to own a mustang
06:13 PM roycroft: i think it was an '83
06:14 PM roycroft: the head bolts were a mix of metric and us customary
06:14 PM roycroft: don't ask me why they did that
06:14 PM Tom_L: in cahoots with tool makers :)
06:14 PM roycroft: i could see the heads coming from canada and needing metric, and the fuel pump coming from alabama and needing us customary
06:14 PM roycroft: i mean, that's stupid, but i can understand how that would work
06:15 PM roycroft: but mixing both measurement systems on the same part?
06:15 PM roycroft: that's beyond stupid
06:15 PM roycroft: and it's not like they did it to sell tools
06:15 PM roycroft: by the '80s every mechanic in this country had a complete set of metric tools and a complete set of us customary tools
06:15 PM Tom_L: yeah pretty much
06:16 PM xxcodery: yeah and its a lot of money
06:16 PM roycroft: no, it's like ford said "yeah, well you don't get to just grab a 9/16" socket to work on this - we're gonna make you grab both a 9/16" and a 14mm, and swap them back and forth, because that's a lot more annoying"
06:18 PM roycroft: i guess it might have sold more ratchets and torque wrenches, because it's easier to grab another wrench than to swap sockets
06:22 PM perry_j1987_: what would cause the bottom of a drilled hole to look faceted
06:22 PM perry_j1987_: its gotta be these darn servo drives not setup right is all i can think
06:26 PM * roycroft reboots his cablemodem so he can double his advertised speed, and wonders if his actual delivered speed will also double
06:31 PM Tom_L: got me wondering about that one... http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/wrench1.jpg
06:31 PM Tom_L: it's not quite the same as the previous pic
06:31 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/wrench2.jpg
06:31 PM Tom_L: but a 'dandy' :)
06:40 PM roycroft: i actually got more than the advertised speed on a test just now
06:40 PM roycroft: comcast/xfinity just upgraded me from 100Mb/s to 200Mb/s
06:41 PM roycroft: and i got 237Mb/s download speed in the speed test
06:41 PM roycroft: i'll see how long that lasts
06:42 PM xxcodery: some isps will detect you using speed test and ramp up speed for a bit
06:42 PM roycroft: yeah, and that may be the case here
06:42 PM xxcodery: I remember back then I used speed site delbrately so my downloads would be faster
06:42 PM roycroft: it doen't really matter
06:42 PM roycroft: i was happy with the speeds i was getting before today
06:42 PM xxcodery: just start download then start speed test. download time is halved
06:43 PM xxcodery: true really comes down to what you want
06:43 PM roycroft: if the speed doubling increases it at all i'll still be happy
06:44 PM roycroft: if a download takes too long that is an excuse for me to get away from the computer and stretch my legs for a bit or something
06:44 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: @perry j1987, if the bottom of a drilled hole looks faceted that is usually because the drill was chattering. Once it starts chattering you can get a faceted effect at the face.
06:45 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Very unlikely that the servo has anything to do with that unless it is causing your feed to be way off.
06:49 PM Tom_L: mine's been running about that as well
06:49 PM Tom_L: they offered me a free speed upgrade when i got the new router
06:49 PM roycroft: they did not offer me a speed upgrade
06:49 PM Tom_L: last test was ~297 and 10.5
06:49 PM roycroft: they informed me that they upgraded it
06:50 PM roycroft: i'm getting 237Mb/s down and 5.5Mb/s up
06:50 PM Tom_L: my old modem wouldn't have handled that anyway
06:50 PM roycroft: i used to get about 85Mb/s down and 5.5Mb/s up
06:50 PM Tom_L: the router logs the tests on mine
06:52 PM Tom_L: the old one didn't bother me but we switched to streaming so she wanted better stuff
06:53 PM roycroft: i never have problems streaming netflix and the like
06:54 PM Tom_L: there are times 4 will be here
06:58 PM Tom_L: and their phones usually kick over to wifi when they get home
07:00 PM Tom_L: how can i trace a mac add of a device i'm not sure what it is?
07:00 PM Tom_L: i've got 2 i can't seem to figure out what they are
07:01 PM Tom_L: but i haven't agressively tried
07:01 PM Tom_L: i suppose i could block them and see who complains first
07:02 PM Tom_L: let them come to me approach..
07:02 PM Tom_L: :)
07:02 PM CloudEvil: The first two(?) octets of a MAC refer to the device maker IIRC
07:02 PM CloudEvil: Whcih can be not useless
07:02 PM CloudEvil: But often is
07:03 PM Tom_L: 1E:6F
07:03 PM Tom_L: DE:6B
07:03 PM Tom_L: i don't see much traffic on them
07:04 PM Tom_L: oh.. i see now the icon is apple so that somewhat limits who it is
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09:18 PM roycroft: we're having a thunderstorm!
09:19 PM xxcodery: wow
09:19 PM xxcodery: here its just rain
09:19 PM xxcodery: lemme look though. its not like im equipped to hear them
09:20 PM roycroft: it's not in the forecast here either
09:20 PM roycroft: and while you can't hear the thunder, you can probably feel it if it's close
09:21 PM xxcodery: yeah. felt em many times.
09:21 PM xxcodery: you forget im been deaf 46 years :)
09:22 PM xxcodery: i still remember that time I went out to patio in thunderstorm. (it have roof over it but yeah)
09:22 PM xxcodery: I looked to side and there was thunder strike right between houses. damn i sure felt that, and was blinded for a minute
09:23 PM roycroft: when i lived back east we had thunderstorms all the time
09:23 PM roycroft: since live lived in the northwet, they're extremely rare
09:24 PM Tom_L: had one hit the tree out front.. went out afterward and you could see a burn trace all down the trunk and the earth around the base was uplifted
09:24 PM Tom_L: shook the house
09:25 PM Tom_L: tree lived but bears a scar
09:46 PM xxcodery: well looked some more
09:46 PM xxcodery: none here
09:48 PM roycroft: thunderstorms are often rather localized
09:48 PM xxcodery: yeah