#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 03 2022

01:05 AM Thorhian[m]: For a rotary selector switch, just to select what axis to jog, should I get something that is shorting or non-shorting?
01:14 AM jpa-: non-shorting may be less trouble (no two signals active at same time), but either should work
01:43 AM pere: can someone who understand Czech please check the "po/gmoccapy/cs.po:26: 'msgid' and 'msgstr' entries do not both end with '\n'" build failure with the latest weblate translations on <URL: https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/linuxcnc/ >?
02:34 AM xxcoder[m]: roycroft yep my pc basically died for good. likely its PSU that died but im now on rpi4. yay for high tech lol
02:55 AM yaqwsx: pere: I speak Czech, but I struggle with the system. How can I edit those filess?
04:33 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
04:45 AM Tom_L: morning
05:27 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:13 AM Tom_L: 55F hi 84
08:39 AM JT-Cave: uodating the [AXIS_n] sections is interesting, if the axis is not there add it if it's not used remove it
09:41 AM solarwind: https://sharp-industries.com/product/1118h/ this is such a beautiful lathe
09:42 AM solarwind: Is it a clone of the hardinge HLV-H?
10:31 AM solarwind: I'm having a hard time understanding how grease works, inside a bearing for example. Oil make sense to me because it flows. So it always comes into contact with _some_ moving part inside a ball bearing or whatever
10:31 AM solarwind: But grease gets pushed aside. If you over grease a gear box, like inside the head of an angle grinder, you'll notice it get hot and draw more power while it pushes all the grease out of the way
10:32 AM solarwind: But then after that, if you open up the gearbox, you'll see that all the grease has been flung out to the sides of the case and there's nothing on the gears themselves.
10:32 AM solarwind: So how is it getting any long term lubrication?
10:35 AM CloudEvil: With the right grade of grease, at operating speed, at the temperature, the grease is not completely static.
10:36 AM CloudEvil: You only need a tiny bit of 'spray' around the gears to get them to have a film of grease on.
10:36 AM solarwind: So a correct design involves the right type of grease such that it does somewhat flow constantly into the gears
10:36 AM solarwind: yeah, a small spray like you said
10:38 AM solarwind: I rebuilt the head of an angle grinder today. I cleaned it out completely and filled it with lucas red n tacky #2 grease - bog standard decent quality grease
10:38 AM solarwind: also mixed in some synthetic gear oil to reduce the viscosity quite a bit
10:39 AM solarwind: only concern is that the gear oil contains "friction modifiers" for limited slip differentials
10:39 AM solarwind: but claims that it's "designed for hypoid gears" so I guess that's good
10:58 AM GTKplusplus6432[: It is
11:10 AM roycroft: it's generally not a good idea to mix lubricants like that unless you know they are compatible
11:10 AM roycroft: components in one lubricant may cause components in the other to break down
11:14 AM CloudEvil: Take it apart after an hour of operation and see if it's fine
11:48 AM roycroft: well good news
11:49 AM roycroft: my dispute with gst3g about the defective product has been resolved in my favor
11:49 AM roycroft: the dispute about the product i never received has not been resolved yet, but i'm confident that will go in my favor as well
12:00 PM * roycroft wonders if he can charge gst3d a disposal fee for the defective product he has to send to the landfill
12:13 PM roycroft: and the second dispute has been resolved in my favor
12:13 PM * roycroft is glad that nightmare is finally over
12:13 PM roycroft: and i can finally get rid of the boxes of defective product that have been cluttering up my printer room
12:26 PM GTKplusplus6432[: https://wiki.printnc.info/en/controllers/linuxcnc/tool-setter-no-probe... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6ac51cc1c1a86f291b7494696c6eb4c340220cd1>)
12:26 PM GTKplusplus6432[: and I mean, it worked fine for a while
12:26 PM GTKplusplus6432[: the probing action, per se, is fine
01:04 PM unterhausen: I just realized our gutters are installed incorrectly. Whee!
01:15 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, iirc there are a couple settings that need to be in both the [AXIS] and [JOINT] sections
01:17 PM Tom_L: iirc MAX_VELOCITY & MAX_ACCELERATION
01:18 PM Tom_L: mayb MIN_LIMIT & MAX_LIMIT
01:28 PM unterhausen: Tom_L what are you guys working on?
01:28 PM Tom_L: mesact
01:28 PM unterhausen: Is that new?
01:29 PM Tom_L: somewhat
01:29 PM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/mesa/mesact/index.html
01:30 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact
01:58 PM xxcoder[m]: roycroft nice. glad it went well at end
02:18 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, mesact checks for those entries
02:19 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/master/mesact/src/libmesact/buildini.py#L144
02:20 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/master/mesact/src/libmesact/checkconfig.py#L151
02:21 PM JT-Shop: had to do a quick fix this morning for checking the axes/joints
02:30 PM unterhausen: I guess I can't use it on rpi4 yet?
02:39 PM Tom_L: you sure can
02:39 PM Tom_L: i built debs for armhf and arm64
02:42 PM unterhausen: so I need to install debian, right?
02:42 PM Tom_L: that would be a good start
02:43 PM Tom_L: i've got buster, bullseye and bookworm working on it
02:43 PM Tom_L: not sure about the kernel
02:49 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:57 PM Tom_dev: Linux linuxcnc 4.19.71-rt24-v7l+ #4 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Apr 30 22:00:15 CDT 2020 armv7l GNU/Linux
02:57 PM Tom_L: buster
02:57 PM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
02:57 PM Tom_L: just don't update it or the usb will quit :)
03:04 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, a program eror ... loadss.py line 38 Error: MainWindow object has no attribute "NOTICE"
03:04 PM Tom_L: upon starting the program
03:13 PM JT-Shop: ok, I don't think I've tested the smart serial lately
03:14 PM Tom_L: found it right after building both debs :)
03:14 PM Tom_L: on the amd64
03:16 PM Tom_L: can you ssh into github?
03:16 PM Tom_L: to work on it..
03:18 PM JT-Shop: hmm, I'm not getting that error...
03:19 PM Tom_L: wait..
03:19 PM Tom_L: yeah i get that when i load the test 7i76s ini
03:19 PM Tom_L: sry
03:19 PM Tom_L: i can post it if you want it
03:20 PM JT-Shop: post the ini file somewhere
03:20 PM Tom_L: the main one?
03:21 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/mesact/7i96s_test/
03:21 PM Tom_L: there's all of it
03:23 PM Tom_L: bak after while
03:31 PM JT-Shop: me too
03:45 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, you added something to the [SSERIAL] section and I don't use a map for that... what branch are you testing?
03:46 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/blob/master/mesact/src/libmesact/loadss.py
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "Sipeed has announced they will be selling Linux SBCs using this chip (riscv, T-Head C906 core) starting at $12.50, and Pine64 has said they'll have one for "under $10".
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so we can have cheaper than Rpi4 boards that run LCNC
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like in the $20-30 range for 2-4 riscv core with >1GB of RAM
05:33 PM Tom_L: master i think
05:33 PM Tom_L: it's quite possible the sserial got edited...
05:33 PM Tom_L: would have been some time back
05:38 PM Tom_L: however i renamed sserial.hal and removed it from filelist.hal and still get that error
05:43 PM Tom_L: building from new source
05:46 PM Tom_L: doesn't crash now but also doesn't read in the sserial.hal which i would expect
05:51 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, do you not use the filelist.hal anymore?
05:52 PM Tom_L: ahh i see you added it to the [HAL] section
05:53 PM Tom_L: ok i have a fresh config i think. the other one was getting a little stale from changes i think
05:55 PM Tom_L: the main ini doesn't save edited changes yet
06:00 PM JT-Cave: still working on that in the ini3 branch
06:02 PM JT-Cave: master does not save comments yet
06:07 PM Tom_L: ok
06:07 PM Tom_L: (it says it does) :)
06:29 PM Tom_L: i'll put the newly generated configs up in case you want to test something
07:22 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:23 PM Tom_dev: help! http://paste.debian.net/1255888/
07:24 PM Tom_L: trying to change the live plot color scheme
07:42 PM xxcoder[m]: have it been renamed?
07:43 PM Tom_L: the file i got that from off the forum was pretty old
07:43 PM Tom_L: maybe even pre wheezy
07:44 PM xxcoder[m]: fun
07:49 PM roycroft: xxcoder: did you see that my disputes with gst3d have been resolved?
07:49 PM xxcoder[m]: yep saw, and commented on it 🙂
07:50 PM roycroft: i have a very small scroll buffer, so i missed that
07:50 PM roycroft: they tried to claim again that the product was not defective, and that they shipped the second batch
07:50 PM roycroft: my emails from them proved otherwise
07:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone ever hear from Jymmm?
07:51 PM roycroft: so feel free to trash them as much as you wish :)
07:51 PM roycroft: not in a couple years, or so, capthindsight
07:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he disappeared during covid
07:51 PM xxcoder[m]: yeah already was doing that
07:51 PM xxcoder[m]: yeah no jymmm for while
07:51 PM roycroft: i assume he got distracted with life
07:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he said "life sometimes gets in the way"
07:51 PM roycroft: i assume that about everyone who disappears, unless i hear otherwise
07:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and then no more jymmm
07:52 PM roycroft: based on my conversations with him, i think he had a different view of the world than me, but he seemed a pretty decent, upright guy
07:52 PM xxcoder[m]: roy btw im talking from discord now because my pc died. probably dead psu
07:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just lick it
07:53 PM xxcoder[m]: im on rpi4. glad I got one
07:53 PM roycroft: i can get along fine with people who see things differently, as long as they are good people
07:53 PM xxcoder[m]: capt hah
07:53 PM roycroft: bummer, xxcoder
07:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah he had some quirks
07:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but he was a survivor
07:53 PM roycroft: although a psu is fairly cheap and easy to source, for most machines
07:53 PM xxcoder[m]: it sucks. it does boot up but ranomly freezes. likely psu issues
07:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he lived in the middle of nowhere fire country CA
07:54 PM roycroft: yes, i know right where lives/lived
07:54 PM xxcoder[m]: but its not for sure, and I have no income so I have to very carefully budget
07:54 PM roycroft: within a few dozen miles
07:54 PM roycroft: and i've been to that part of california many times
07:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and lived on a pretty tight budget
07:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but still cobbled together things properly
07:55 PM roycroft: well, i hope he's doing well
07:55 PM roycroft: and that the reason he's not here is that this is not an important part of his life any more
07:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: also had a spider problem, living in fire and spider contry
07:56 PM roycroft: not that he's unable to be here
07:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: don't know
07:56 PM xxcoder[m]: roy just glad I managed to boot my pc long enough to copy off my login datbase
07:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: could be a superhero now after a bite
07:56 PM xxcoder[m]: so i could login into stuff
07:57 PM Tom_L: xxcoder[m], put hexchat on the rpi
07:57 PM xxcoder[m]: capt fire spider bite superhero lol
07:57 PM xxcoder[m]: tom sure but can it run it at same time as 2 browsers? not sure. I want to try transfer newsflash too.
07:58 PM xxcoder[m]: just glad I bought 8 gb model enen though it was very much overkill for laser machine
07:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone recall the guy that made bike parts in his garage machine shop 10-12 years ago?
07:58 PM Tom_L: danimal
07:58 PM Tom_L: iirc
07:58 PM roycroft: are we waxing nostalgic this evening?
07:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah,in San Diego, danimal
07:58 PM Tom_L: you got a problem with that??
07:58 PM Tom_L: :)
07:58 PM roycroft: none whatsoever
07:58 PM roycroft: i'm just wondering
07:59 PM Tom_L: how did i remember that...
07:59 PM Tom_L: man
07:59 PM roycroft: don't read judgement into simple questions :)
07:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just recalling a few regs that disappeared
08:00 PM * roycroft has a board meeting in an hour, and thinks it's going to be a good night to say what he needs to say, then mute the mic and video, and do some cad work while the directors slug things out
08:00 PM Tom_L: gonna piss em off and leave...
08:00 PM Tom_L: i see how ya are
08:00 PM roycroft: naw
08:00 PM roycroft: my stuff is all pretty benign
08:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Stuart took his youtubes down
08:01 PM roycroft: although some on the board are trying to make it contentous
08:01 PM Tom_L: i was kinda sad about that
08:01 PM roycroft: "we mailed out a bunch of ballots last month. many were returned. email us if you didn't get yours"
08:01 PM xxcoder[m]: ich. that one was interesting one
08:01 PM roycroft: that's basically what i have to say
08:01 PM xxcoder[m]: too bad they nuked all his videos
08:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: are you going to report any irregularities?
08:02 PM roycroft: but there are some on the board who think that if a single one is returned as undeliverable it's a conspiracy to suppress the vote
08:02 PM Tom_L: are they related to your boss?
08:02 PM roycroft: in other words, maga has officially arrived at the hippie fest
08:03 PM roycroft: i report pretty much everything
08:05 PM roycroft: when the election is over, i'll report how many ballots were sent, how many returned as undeliverable, how many of those were resent after contacting the voters, how many people require ballot cures, how many total votes were cast, how many ballots were discarded for irregularites, and a tabulation of the number and type of each irregularity
08:05 PM roycroft: and i set up a mechanism for members to inspect ballots that were rejected for irregularities
08:06 PM roycroft: this should be the most transparent election in the organization's history
08:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how many total ballots are we talking about?
08:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: <24?
08:06 PM roycroft: i sent about 5,000, and i expect about 2750 to be returned
08:07 PM roycroft: not a huge number, but it's enough to keep me pretty busy
08:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the cost of mailing
08:08 PM roycroft: the postage came to $3500
08:09 PM roycroft: the printing cost much more than that
08:10 PM roycroft: we had to print mailing envelopes, return envelopes, secrecy envelopes, two different ballots, and a cover letter to include in each voter's mailing
08:10 PM roycroft: the return envelopes and secrecy envelopes are printed on both sides
08:10 PM roycroft: my estimate is that it costs us about $2.25/voter to mail ballots
08:11 PM roycroft: and all the labor is volunteer - that cost is just the hard cost
08:12 PM roycroft: i just mailed the hard copy voter pamphlets today
08:13 PM roycroft: a grand total of four people requested them in hard copy
08:13 PM roycroft: it cost us about $9.00 each to print and mail them
08:13 PM roycroft: there are some on the board who want us to mail hard copy voters pamphlets to all voters, whether they ask for them or not
08:14 PM roycroft: and those are the same people who are concerned about our budget
08:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like an expensive hobby
08:14 PM Tom_L: aren't they all?
08:15 PM roycroft: one of our directors said at the last minute "we can print the pamphlets in tiny fonts to save costs"
08:15 PM Tom_L: use less ink
08:16 PM roycroft: and then a minute or so later said "we should send the printed pamphlet to everyone, because it's hard to read on a phone"
08:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: always thinking one step ahead
08:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but forgets the last step
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well lots of people can only handle one or maybe two variables at one in their minds
08:18 PM Tom_L: only 62 packages changed since yesterday..
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: at once/at one
08:18 PM roycroft: and honestly, i did not make that up
08:18 PM Tom_L: bookworm
08:18 PM xxcoder[m]: roy probably would recommand printing in light gray to save on ink too. I got mail like tjat. it was nearly unreadable
08:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: paperless voting
08:19 PM roycroft: we can't afford that
08:20 PM roycroft: but i have a proposed solution that is being scoffed
08:20 PM roycroft: about 10% of our voters do not have an email address registered with us
08:20 PM roycroft: we already send multiple emails to them that we can about our election
08:21 PM roycroft: my proposal is to send a letter to each of the voters without an email address, with a postage-paid return postcard on which they can indicate if they wish to receive our elections materials in the mail or not
08:21 PM roycroft: and we would mail the voters pamphlet to all respondants at no cost to them
08:21 PM roycroft: apparently that's not good enough
08:22 PM roycroft: we need to send it to everyone, at an extreme cost
08:22 PM roycroft: because we are all about conserving resources and not being wasteful
08:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like an organization that would not accept me
08:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.”
08:25 PM roycroft: i just need that zoom plugin i've been talking about
08:25 PM roycroft: the one that can mask eye rolling
08:26 PM roycroft: i should write the app
08:26 PM Tom_L: the one that turns you into a cat or dog face?
08:26 PM roycroft: if i can sell it for $0.99, i would be a millionaire in a week
08:27 PM roycroft: a smirk removal filter would also be useful
08:27 PM roycroft: as well as a face palm remove
08:27 PM roycroft: r
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08:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with proper training most people can just suppress their micro-expressions
08:48 PM roycroft: if they care to do so
08:48 PM roycroft: if they can download an app to fix things they don't have to care
08:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but all you need is a few second loop of an expressionless face
08:49 PM roycroft: this is 2022
08:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://youtu.be/gfqy7ipjDWI?t=92
08:50 PM roycroft: given a choice of "exercise self-control" vs "download app", what do you think the majority of folks would do?
08:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Biggus Diccus
08:52 PM * roycroft would vote splunge, as it is always the safe and correct answer
08:52 PM roycroft: even when it is not one of the choices
08:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I like it
08:54 PM roycroft: and if it's romans we're talking about, it's all about the proboscis maximus
08:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when given the choice between two already in stock control cabinets do you first try to cram everything into the smaller one or just use the bigger one?
08:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if everything fits into the smaller one why waste the bigger one?
08:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this is new old stock probably 14 years old
08:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/2055 🎉
09:04 PM xxcoder[m]: so manual entry is back. nice indeed
09:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was weird the guy that took it out appeared on github just for that change
09:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i never noticed since i used an older system to make basic configs
09:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then i started using bleeding edge Linux with 2.9 and WTF
09:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: stepconf was always my goto for testing an LPT card
09:25 PM Tom_L: breath easy now...
09:51 PM xxcoder[m]: I am thinking about buying a psu
09:51 PM xxcoder[m]: my current is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00390P1NO/
09:51 PM xxcoder[m]: im not sure how to find similiar models because I'm not too sure if used is best deal
09:52 PM xxcoder[m]: open box actually. which is bit of a risk since sometimes someone returns old one and nobody checks
10:03 PM Rab: A little bit of context on the thought process behind the parport change: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/845
10:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: there has been some other changes to LPT ports that I haven't gotten to the bottom of yet
10:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i had some bad hardware like one of the ch382 cards has no output so debug was fun
10:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's a bad card, pull-ups missing or similar
10:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: also some driver issues with pci id's not properly matched to type of LPT port
10:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they just didn't test this feature well enough
10:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and it was in the early part of the pandemic lockdown, so most people were burrowing under the soil for safety vs testing LPT ports
11:26 PM roycroft: speaking of the pandemic, we just lifted our vaccine requirement
11:27 PM roycroft: i wasn't expecting that motion to passs
11:31 PM xxcoder[m]: lets see if it will spike ill and death levels or not
11:37 PM roycroft: since our next event is not until july, that's likely not going to be a problem, for a while at least
11:37 PM roycroft: we own thousands of acres, and this time of year on a busy day there are maybe 30 people on site
11:42 PM xxcoder[m]: oh your event area. thought you meant for travel in general
11:43 PM roycroft: yeah, for the country fair
11:48 PM xxcoder[m]: ok
11:53 PM roycroft: abom seems pretty happy with his precision matthews lathe
11:53 PM * roycroft is finally getting around to saturday's youtube videos
11:54 PM roycroft: it means i get to postpone "spock's brain" for another night :)
11:56 PM xxcoder[m]: nice lol
11:57 PM xxcoder[m]: newsflash is inaccessable to me so I cant watch videos for maybe a week. aw
11:57 PM roycroft: bummer
11:57 PM roycroft: maybe you'll have to read a book or something
11:57 PM xxcoder[m]: I tried to watch a youtuve video. its doable but often stalls lol
11:57 PM xxcoder[m]: im reading a bookj now. on website lol
11:57 PM xxcoder[m]: Ar'Kendrithyst
11:58 PM xxcoder[m]: its about guy and his daugher somehow getting into world with magic from earth
11:59 PM xxcoder[m]: its not just peaceful magic world, mind. there is very dark moments
11:59 PM roycroft: i haven't been reading much fiction lately
11:59 PM xxcoder[m]: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/26727/arkendrithyst/ if curious
11:59 PM roycroft: i generally don't in the summer, but come autumn, i do a lot more reading