#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 02 2022

01:11 AM Deejay: moin
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02:24 AM miss0r: Do any of you guys know where I can find a guide that allows me to do a dual boot installation (windows 98se & windows 2000 pro) on a 40gb harddrive, installed on a micronics w6-li intel 440fx motherboard, that does not see more than 8.4gb. I've tried a few different ways of partitioning, but they all that as much in common that the bios post screen reports that is is an invalid partition table. I am stumped here. Please assist :)
02:27 AM XXCoder: hmm dunno
02:27 AM XXCoder: usually, windows does not play along with windows
02:28 AM miss0r: Well, I know the dual boot is a working one, I've done it in the past. But my main issue to get past is this pesky bios not allowing for more than 8.4gb. and I cannot locate any bios update
02:29 AM XXCoder: not sure also
02:29 AM pere: miss0r: is it a bios problem or an os problem?
02:29 AM miss0r: apparently it does not like that the total amount of partitioned storage exceeds 100% of the diskspace
02:29 AM miss0r: at the moment I would venture a guess that it is a bios problem
02:30 AM XXCoder: cant have 2 primary partitions?
02:30 AM XXCoder: split it to whatever needed
02:30 AM miss0r: or rather, its a me problem, not being able to figure out how to partition the harddrive so that the bios will accept it - I haven't gotten past this point yet
02:30 AM miss0r: as soon as the harddrive is partitioned the bios halts at bad or corrupt partition table
02:31 AM pere: might be easier to have a linux install with grub as the primary partition, and use grub to hand over control to windows
02:31 AM jpa-: miss0r: maybe you can install grub and use that as the bootloader for the windows installations
02:32 AM miss0r: And I am more than willing to do so, but as of now, I can't even create one partition that is well within the 8.4gb limit at the start of the drive and expect the bios to accept it
02:32 AM jpa-: don't even need the linux installed, you can install grub from a livecd
02:32 AM pere: sure, but it will be a pain to update grub after it is installed.
02:32 AM jpa-: true
02:33 AM miss0r: There are ways around all of that :) At the moment I am just realy stomped about this problem
02:33 AM jpa-: when i had similar problems with old bios, i used to boot grub first stage from a floppy
02:33 AM jpa-: if the bios just won't accept the big disk, not much that can be done about it
02:34 AM jpa-: partitioning does not necessarily help if the bios gets confused about the drive size
02:34 AM miss0r: jpa-: Well, theres another issue here: Even when booting from a floppy, the bios does a check on the harddrive and finds that it does not like the partition table and then halts, not even allowing for a floppy boot
02:34 AM jpa-: miss0r: huh, well that is silly bios, would have been hard to recover that back in the day without having another compuer
02:34 AM miss0r: so, whenever I've done another try on partitioning the disk, I've had to remove it and wipe the partition table on another computer to get it to boot
02:34 AM miss0r: indeed
02:35 AM miss0r: I am loosing the rest of my haid here.. and pere can testify that I do not have alot left as it is
02:35 AM miss0r: hair*
02:37 AM miss0r: this can go one of two ways: 1) (preferred) I find some sort of recepie that descripes how to acomplish this. 2) (not preferred) is throwing in the towel and putting in a smaller harddrive and run stuff from there
02:38 AM miss0r: But as it is, I only have three harddrives at my disposal that are under 8.4gb. 2.1gb, 800ish mb and 20mb..
02:38 AM pere: as far as I know, the boot loader of win98 can not dual boot. no idea about win2000, but would be surprised if it could. so to dual boot, you need another boot loader, hence the grub proposal. part of the problem is that you want to install Windows first and shrink it (or not give it the entire disk), as it want to take over the hard drive boot loader.
02:38 AM miss0r: Those are a smidge on the small side for a dual boot
02:39 AM pere: and you can only install one of the windows installations first, and the second one will mess up the first... no idea how to work around this.
02:39 AM miss0r: pere: Windows 2000 can handle more than one OS with its bootloader
02:40 AM pere: ok, perhaps install it second, then. but the bios will likely insist there is only one partition flagged primary, which both windows installs want.
02:40 AM miss0r: Well - I feel like I would be homefree, if I could just manage to do a partition table that the bios would accept. Windows 98 needs a partition ready and formatted from dos for it to install - I can just make that whatever size. Windows 2000 has its own partitioning software build into the installation program.
02:40 AM XXCoder: miss0r: most windows disk partioner dont allow you to have more than one primary partition, you can make it other way but bios is larger issue if it wont reconize any primary partition beyond 8 gb or so boundary
02:40 AM pere: I have not done dual boot to windows in many decades, as I read the terms and did not like them.
02:40 AM miss0r: :]
02:40 AM miss0r: Terms don't apply to abbandonware
02:40 AM miss0r: :D
02:41 AM pere: terms apply until copyright expire. :)
02:42 AM miss0r: assuming I had an 8gb harddrive or another bios that could see the entire disk, doing the windows 98, 2000 dualboot is a no brainer. The issue is how to serve up the partition table to the bios - this is what is my headache at the moment
02:42 AM miss0r: Even if for some reason the windows bootloaders fsck up, I can always install lilo or grub. That is not what I am worried about.
02:42 AM miss0r: But that pesky bios is realy trying to mess up my day
02:43 AM XXCoder: fun
02:43 AM XXCoder: expecially if company have delisted bios updates
02:43 AM miss0r: and that motherboard *HAS TO WORK*. :) My beautiful dual pentium pro 200.
02:44 AM miss0r: XXCoder: I don't even think micronics exists anymore
02:48 AM jpa-: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_drive_overlay this was the usual workaround back in the day, using software like Kroll Ontrack Disk Manager
02:49 AM XXCoder: even more fun lol
02:50 AM miss0r: Indeed. Windows 98SE comes with such natively. same goes for windows 2000. But at the moment the stopping block is the bios not likey likey the partitioning table
02:50 AM TurBoss: has xtide something to do here?
02:51 AM XXCoder: well workground might be having 2 primary partitions and having extended for rest of files. first 2 being within first 8 gb
02:51 AM XXCoder: if nothing ele you can try it
02:52 AM miss0r: TurBoss: What is that?
02:52 AM TurBoss: https://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=software:firmwareos:xt-ide-universal-bios:start
02:52 AM miss0r: XXCoder: I've tried that. Creating two primary partitions within the 8.4gb, and not even creating any additional ones beyond that. But it still fails the bios check
02:52 AM TurBoss: https://www.xtideuniversalbios.org/
02:53 AM miss0r: TurBoss: Reading
02:53 AM TurBoss: you only need an eprom and a old PCI ethernet adaptor
02:53 AM XXCoder: wow bios must be really focused to only one primary period
02:54 AM miss0r: TurBoss: Sadly, this motherboard does not have a removeable bios eprom
02:54 AM miss0r: so, I am honnestly a little worried about bricking it
02:54 AM TurBoss: nono you put the eeprim in a pci card slot
02:55 AM miss0r: aha.. Well, theres further complications: I suppose I need to show what this is about. give me 2 secs
02:57 AM miss0r: here goes: https://imgur.com/a/RYKUsW6
02:57 AM TurBoss: super nice machine
02:57 AM miss0r: The is a showpiece PC, a project I am building to beat my little brother in building the best 1997 gaming rig
02:58 AM TurBoss: does it have a free pci slot? or all ISA?
02:58 AM miss0r: As you can see, I've done some design "choices" that are somewhat limiting - I have no more access to PCI slots & only room for one 3�" disk
02:59 AM TurBoss: some ethernet cards have a socket to place a eprom there that allows to extend bios
02:59 AM miss0r: it has PCI, but with the PCI reiser slots installed the way they are, the rest of the PCI slots are not accessable
02:59 AM TurBoss: thoose could be low profile
02:59 AM TurBoss: ok
02:59 AM TurBoss: ☹️
02:59 AM miss0r: they need to be so low profile it doesn't even make sense :)
02:59 AM miss0r: But I have a few low profile pci ethernet controllers that can handle an eprom
03:00 AM miss0r: but they are nowhere near low profile enough
03:01 AM miss0r: which is why I am realy truely hoping to find some sort of formula for partitioning that will allow me to do what I want
03:03 AM jpa-: interchangeable drive dock :)
03:04 AM jpa-: or just two drives, if the bios can handle one primary partition per drive
03:04 AM miss0r: I've designed myself into a corner - only room for one harddrive at a time :)
03:08 AM XXCoder: well
03:08 AM XXCoder: wonder if theres pata ssd you can use
03:13 AM TurBoss: miss0r: found this -> https://imgur.com/gallery/D92qn
03:27 AM miss0r: TurBoss: What will that do for me exactly?
03:28 AM XXCoder: allows you to add sdd drive, if nothing else works
03:28 AM TurBoss: that allowes old computers to use HDD's bigger than 2GB
03:28 AM XXCoder: extemely compact too
03:28 AM TurBoss: and many other goddies
03:28 AM TurBoss: goodies
04:56 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:10 AM Tom_L: mmorning
07:05 AM t4nk_fn: moaning
07:07 AM t4nk_fn: my good friends, apparently, from Senegal just tried to call me. Phone only rang once, I hope everything is ok over there, I'd better call the number back asap to check on them ;)
07:08 AM t4nk_fn: bloody losing bastards.
07:22 AM t4nk_fn: man, I'd really like to pat them on the back a bit
07:22 AM t4nk_fn: ... and front
07:22 AM t4nk_fn: and all over
10:20 AM boozeman[m]: hmm, seems like Debian Bookworm installation do not like modern Dell uefi-installation. Disk is achi mode, uefi on and secureboot off. IT boots Dell diagnostics no matter what efi.boot i choose.
10:22 AM pere: boozeman[m]: perhaps this is the new microsoft enforced blocking of non-microsoft signatures?
10:23 AM boozeman[m]: Computer has working Manjaro before installation 🙂
10:25 AM pere: <URL: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/60248.html > is the story I am thinking of.
11:36 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, debs are up
11:52 AM JT-Shop: thanks
11:57 AM Tom_L: oh.
11:58 AM Tom_L: i updated wheezy to 2.8.4 last night
11:58 AM Tom_L: seems fine
12:00 PM Tom_L: there was one of those tweaks it didn't like though
12:01 PM beef5994[m]: Has anyone used a linear scale to create a compensation file for their configuration? I've seen a little bit on LinuxCNC Forums with regard to using one permanently, but I only ordered one and intent to use it to map the screw. I'm of the understanding that I can send the output from the scale into my encoder input on the 7i76e, I'm just less familiar how I can generate the "map" file.
12:02 PM Tom_L: i did one once but not with a glass scale
12:02 PM JT-Cave: which tweak?
12:02 PM Tom_L: not one of yours. it was a color change for the plot
12:03 PM JT-Cave: ok
12:03 PM Tom_L: worked on bookworm but not wheezy
12:03 PM JT-Cave: just depends on what the linear scale output is...
12:03 PM * JT-Cave wanders up to take a nap
12:05 PM beef5994[m]: As far as the output, it's a quadrature A/B output so shouldn't be a problem. The closest I came to understanding how to generate the map is from https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/27163-screw-compensation-files-axes-and-joints
12:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/X_axis_map.comp
12:05 PM Tom_L: beef5994[m], tjat
12:05 PM Tom_L: tjat
12:05 PM Tom_L: that's what one of mine looked like
12:05 PM Tom_L: fat fingers
12:06 PM Tom_L: there are 2 ways to log them
12:06 PM Tom_L: i'll let you look that up
12:08 PM beef5994[m]: haha, no worries. I assume 256pts is still the max, as mentioned in this forum post?
12:13 PM Tom_L: no idea
12:13 PM Tom_L: i did that a long time ago and wound up not using it afterall
12:15 PM jpa-: you may want to measure twice by flipping the glass scale 180 deg, to check if it is accurate
12:15 PM Tom_L: COMP_FILE_TYPE = 0 or 1 - Specifies the type of compensation file. The first value is the nominal (commanded) position for both types.
12:15 PM Tom_L: Type 0: The second value specifies the actual position as the joint is moving in the positive direction (increasing value) and the third value specifies the actual position as the joint is moving in the negative direction (decreasing value).
12:15 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_joint__lt_num_gt_section
12:16 PM Tom_L: diff between commanded and actual is what you're looking for
12:18 PM Tom_L: there are examples there for both types
12:20 PM beef5994[m]: this is quite a good point about checking both directions, thanks
12:20 PM Tom_L: in answer to your question: Currently the limit inside LinuxCNC is for 256 triplets per joint.
12:22 PM beef5994[m]: Thanks, 256 pts should be sufficient for my 1300mm of travel anyway. I'm just trying to achieve 0.05mm over the entire work area, but of course shooting for better will make it easier to achieve reliably. I appreciate your help and I have enough to get started on between now and when the scale arrives.
12:24 PM Tom_L: that should give you time to write a program that increments the distance you desire and record the scale to a file :)
12:26 PM beef5994[m]: haha, you may overestimate my programming abilities, but we shall see 🙂 thanks again
12:27 PM Tom_L: it can be done
12:27 PM Tom_L: read up on it
12:49 PM boozeman[m]: That debian 12 installation problem for Dell computer sorted out. The basic graphical installation do not ask for installing grub. I got it right in advanced installer 🙂
12:50 PM Tom_L: it normally would ask.. odd
12:59 PM CaptainHindsight: a Debian installer that is broken! I'm shocked! 🙂
01:01 PM CaptainHindsight: boozeman (@_discord_101666341198528512:jauriarts.org) I installed Deb 11, Bullseye and then updated to 12 (Bookworm)
01:02 PM CaptainHindsight: boozeman (@_discord_101666341198528512:jauriarts.org) do you have a link to the deb 12 installer that you used?
01:03 PM CaptainHindsight: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-12.html this method also actually works
01:04 PM Tom_L: if you go from 11 to 12 it's a source change then an upgrade
01:04 PM Tom_L: easy peasy
01:04 PM Tom_L: i updated 12 couple days ago and checked today and there were 84 changes
01:05 PM Tom_L: still not a full release...
01:08 PM boozeman[m]: Yep, normally installed asks that magical grub question but not with this Dell 3040. Normal installation just installs the packages but not ask.
01:10 PM CaptainHindsight: others say to only used the Debian advanced text mode installer, since the graphical tend to fail for them
01:11 PM CaptainHindsight: i have various results with graphical installs, i just got used to broken Debian installers, I allow time for 2 or 3 installs to get one that actually works, that is just the nature of Debian
01:13 PM CaptainHindsight: and Debian does some crazy stuff if you let it partition and format your drives
01:17 PM roycroft: i always partition manually
01:17 PM roycroft: but i tend to use multiple filesystems, and i generally use xfs
01:17 PM roycroft: and quite often lvm
01:18 PM roycroft: the debian installer works fine for partitioning manually
01:18 PM roycroft: i don't know if i've ever used their graphical installer, though
01:18 PM roycroft: it's so cumbersome having to point and click all the time instead of just typing things
01:20 PM Tom_L: dislike rodents?
01:22 PM roycroft: not at all
01:22 PM roycroft: but they are inefficient for a lot of things
01:23 PM roycroft: and for other things, orders of magnitude more efficient than using a text-based interface
01:24 PM roycroft: a debian install involves a fair amount of typing
01:24 PM roycroft: constantly switching back and forth between a keyboard and a mouse is cumbersome
01:24 PM roycroft: the text installer works very well with the keyboard
01:41 PM beef5994[m]: good to hear, I myself had nothing but troubles with Debian installs
02:05 PM * JT-Shop has never had troubles with debian installs...
02:05 PM JT-Shop: hmm amazon prime is up to $139 a year now
02:06 PM * JT-Shop wonders if he orders enough from amazon to be more than $139 in shipping
02:11 PM roycroft: i never pay shipping and i don't have prime
02:11 PM roycroft: i have patience, but even that's not all that necessary any more
02:11 PM roycroft: almost everything i order from amazon using their free shipping arrives within a week
02:12 PM roycroft: i think prime is probably worthwhile if you use the streaming services and the like
02:12 PM roycroft: but just to save on shipping i don't see the point
02:13 PM roycroft: i average about a debian install per week, beef5994, so i'm pretty familiar with the procedure by now
02:20 PM JT-Shop2: yeah I tend to agree and going to let it drop
02:21 PM XXCoder: I just build up across tim so I get free shipping without prime
02:24 PM JT-Shop2: I used to get a lot of stuff from amazon for my business so speed was nice but I'm slowing down so turtle is ok
02:25 PM XXCoder: lol frank project got out of hand
02:29 PM XXCoder: awesome result though
02:41 PM Tom_L: she uses prime for shipping and tv shows
02:41 PM Tom_L: so i suppose
02:41 PM Tom_L: it's worth it for that
02:42 PM * Tom_L needs a new kbd
02:50 PM JT-Shop2: made good progress with the ini3 branch this morning
02:50 PM JT-Shop2: just need to finish all the sections up
02:51 PM roycroft: i don't like most of the products that frank howarth makes, but i like his methodology
02:51 PM roycroft: his are interesting videos to watch
02:53 PM XXCoder: I feel like half his videos is spheres and bowls lol
02:54 PM XXCoder: but he does make other amazing stuff too
02:58 PM CaptainHindsight: roycroft confirms my suspicions
03:06 PM roycroft: what do you suspect?
03:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even JT's Debian howto cleverly only uses working installers and then upgrades to newer versions
03:16 PM JT-Shop2: :)
03:17 PM XXCoder: i find it bit odd
03:17 PM XXCoder: isnt debian slow and very stable
03:17 PM XXCoder: why dont they have working installers?
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the same reason why they had broken graphical network config tools, you are just supposed to know how to avoid the situation or memorize the command line config process
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even the Debian docs don't know what Debian does to configure netwprking
03:23 PM XXCoder: geez'
03:24 PM XXCoder: I remember using wach something which was far better networking configurator (mispelled name its been way too many years)
03:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
03:25 PM XXCoder: ah yes wich
03:25 PM XXCoder: erm wicd
03:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and don't ask where the Debian installer puts the network config
03:26 PM Tom_L: flip a coin
03:26 PM Tom_L: it changes randomly
03:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the docs have you put the configs in another location and it's not the location the installer uses
03:27 PM XXCoder: found my old guide to fix broken wicd install from 2008
03:27 PM XXCoder: ancient
03:27 PM Tom_L: yeah i've run across that a time or so
03:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so if you make a mistake in your network config when installing, just reinstall vs try to fix it
03:28 PM Tom_L: kinda like a windoz install... it's just quicker
03:28 PM XXCoder: capt it was corrupted install because I acciently said "yes" to save old version of script
03:28 PM XXCoder: and there was no way to reset at all lol
03:29 PM XXCoder: https://wicd.sourceforge.net/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=187 if youre curious
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Bullseye XFCE install ISO creates a network manager that re-spawns every restart so you get an extra one in the taskbar every time
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: after 4 or 5 I delete them back to just one
03:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so even debian doesn't bother fixing issues like these
03:31 PM Tom_L: kinda like the japanese quick gcode guide in linuxcnc... it's been that way for years
03:31 PM Tom_L: install english and you get both
03:32 PM Tom_L: err maybe it's vietnamese
03:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: seems like you always get an extra language when installing LCNC :)
03:34 PM Tom_L: doesn't keep me from using it..
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well they do make the desktop application menu not exactly simple for the new dev
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same is true for many other distros
03:53 PM JT-Shop: how do you change the locale in debian?
04:10 PM Tom_L: Get root and type dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the locale(s) you want to generate. At the end, you'll be asked which one should be the default.
04:10 PM Tom_L: acording to google...
04:11 PM Tom_L: This changes /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale
04:11 PM Tom_L: maybe you can just edit those files?
04:21 PM TurBoss: you may need to also run `sudo locale-gen`
04:21 PM JT-Shop: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: please specify a package to reconfigure
04:22 PM JT-Shop: no terribly important, was just curious
04:23 PM JT-Shop: forgot to put dpkg-reconfigure locales
05:05 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, how's ini3 looking?
06:03 PM roycroft: one of my speakers is now refoamed and it sounds excellent
06:03 PM roycroft: now to work on the other one
06:03 PM XXCoder: nice
06:04 PM roycroft: i found that a no. 5 carving gouge works well for removing the silicone sealant, but it's going to have to be resharpened when i'm done
06:04 PM roycroft: scraping it against steel is not good for it
06:04 PM XXCoder: you probably could have shown me a junkyard speakers with refinished box and I wouldnt know its quality if it worked, but I'll take your word for it ;)
06:04 PM roycroft: it has just the right curve to fit the speaker cage nicely
06:04 PM roycroft: actually, advents have impressive low end
06:04 PM XXCoder: so ones at attic was no go?
06:05 PM roycroft: they are rated to 20Hz, but they probably go down to 13-15Hz
06:05 PM roycroft: you would be able to feel them
06:05 PM roycroft: the attic ones were a slightly different model
06:05 PM XXCoder: yeah thats why i menioned quality. not exactly easy to feel that
06:05 PM roycroft: i could have used them, but they would have sounded a bit different
06:05 PM roycroft: i decided to stick with stock
06:05 PM XXCoder: ahh ok well those can be used for other projects in future
06:05 PM roycroft: the attic ones are the same model as my lower speakers
06:06 PM roycroft: but the attic ones, with the damaged cabinets, are particle board with vinyl
06:06 PM roycroft: the working ones are walnut
06:06 PM roycroft: i only got the ones in the attic for the components
06:07 PM roycroft: today is our big get out the vote candidates' forum
06:07 PM roycroft: it's being livestreamed on youtube starting at 4pm sharp
06:07 PM roycroft: i wonder when it's going to be 4pm
06:07 PM roycroft: because it's not streaming yet
06:07 PM XXCoder: 4:06 pm hmm dunno
06:08 PM * roycroft wonders how an organization that does zoom-youtube hybrid meetings all the time and hires professionals to make them work has technical difficulties 100% of the time that causes every meeting to start late
06:08 PM roycroft: and by "all the time" i mean once/week or more
06:09 PM roycroft: and i'm starting to get emails wanting to know what's going on
06:09 PM roycroft: because when i tell people i have nothing at all to with this event they don't are, and demand that i fix things anyway
06:09 PM roycroft: don't care, rather
06:10 PM roycroft: sounds like i'll have plenty of time to scrape silicone off my woofer
06:11 PM * roycroft heads out to the shop to do that, and brings an ipad along in case the forum ever starts
06:13 PM XXCoder: fun. well have fun with speakers and speakers lol
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07:02 PM roycroft: this one went a lot easier than the last one
07:03 PM roycroft: much less silicone sealant was slobbered onit
07:03 PM XXCoder: nice
07:06 PM roycroft: yeah, the new foam is half glued on - i'll do the other bit when the first glue up dries
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08:33 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
10:52 PM roycroft: it's pause time
10:52 PM roycroft: tonight's star trek episode is "spock's brain"
10:52 PM roycroft: do i endure it now and get it over with or do i postpone it?
10:55 PM xxcoder[m]: if you delay, you would delay it forever
10:56 PM xxcoder[m]: take the burn and heal from it 😉
10:56 PM roycroft: i know nbc hated star trek
10:56 PM roycroft: but did they really hate it so much that they had to launch season 3 with that episode?
11:23 PM xxcoder[m]: dunno, it might be just to get rid of it quick as possible lol
11:25 PM xxcoder[m]: my pc psu decided to partially die lol. thats why im not on irc, if I have browser and irc it reboots