#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 01 2022

01:26 AM Deejay: moin
03:41 AM XXCoder: very nice myfordboy video
03:57 AM pere: hi
03:57 AM XXCoder: yo
04:39 AM Tom_L: morning
04:48 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:49 AM Tom_L: what was wrong with that last post? the out file matched the in file?
04:51 AM Tom_L: http://paste.debian.net/1255541/
04:51 AM Tom_L: that one
05:01 AM JT-Cave: are you positive that the out file is exactly the same as the in file?
05:57 AM beela5h[m] is now known as beela5h0550[m]
06:39 AM JT-Cave: damn just updated debian 13 and pyqt5 disappeared and can't be installed
06:42 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:20 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, they look the same to me unless i'm missing something
07:23 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:23 AM JT-Cave: the only thing it changes is the mesa version
07:24 AM JT-Cave: from 0.7.2 to 0.7.3
07:24 AM Tom_dev: tom@bookworm:~/linuxcnc/configs/test_ini$ diff test.ini test_out.ini
07:24 AM Tom_dev: 3c3
07:24 AM Tom_dev: < VERSION = 0.7.2
07:24 AM Tom_dev: ---
07:24 AM Tom_dev: > VERSION = 0.7.3
07:24 AM JT-Cave: :)
07:25 AM Tom_L: so you did fix it
07:25 AM JT-Cave: in the mean time this pc has lost pyqt5 after an update
07:25 AM Tom_L: stop updating :)
07:25 AM Tom_L: i updateb bookworm the other day
07:25 AM Tom_L: so far so good
07:25 AM JT-Cave: I completely rewrote the parser and didn't use configparser
07:26 AM Tom_L: the code did look quite a bit different
07:30 AM Tom_L: you haven't added that to mesact yet have you?
07:45 AM JT-Cave: no, attempting to until this pc broke pyqt5
08:16 AM JT-Cave: debian 13 is the only one that works with my video card... even a reinstall will not fix it
08:21 AM Tom_L: it being pyqt5?
08:22 AM Tom_L: i'm guessing you had to start with a lesser version and upgrade?
08:23 AM Tom_L: you can't use bookworm and pull the video driver from sid?
08:26 AM JT-Cave: possibly
08:26 AM Tom_L: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nvidia-graphics-drivers
08:26 AM Tom_L: what card or chip set?
08:27 AM Tom_L: probably not much out there on it since it's the latest un-release
08:39 AM JT-Cave: amd radeon rx 6600
08:41 AM pere: in my linuxcnc axis gui, there is a 'drawing' of arrows and some measurements, which I suspect is supposed to indicate the work surface of my cnc. how are these configured? The home position is at the wrong end of the spanned area and the area is way to small.
08:42 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Linuxcnc_2.8.1.39.png
08:43 AM Tom_L: pere, can you be a little more specific?
08:43 AM Tom_L: G54 is the 'goto' work offset
08:44 AM pere: Tom_L: I can try. :)
08:44 AM Tom_L: you set those with the touchoff buttons that are greyed out there
08:45 AM pere: I talk about the 5.37 marker in your picture, for example.
08:45 AM Tom_L: that's the 'boundaries' of your work model
08:45 AM pere: how do I configure them?
08:46 AM pere: mine is way too small.
08:46 AM Tom_L: that should be automaic when you load the gcode file
08:46 AM Tom_L: lcnc figures out the extent of the cuts and gives you those numbers
08:46 AM Tom_L: on the axis display as you see
08:47 AM pere: oh, is it come from the linuxcnc g-code file, not from my machine setup...
08:47 AM Tom_L: yes
08:47 AM pere: then I understand why I failed to find it.
08:47 AM Tom_L: what does come from your setup is where zero is
08:47 AM pere: I thought it indicated my machine work space.
08:48 AM Tom_L: no just the part you have loaded at the time
08:48 AM pere: one misunderstanding down, some left. :)
08:49 AM Tom_L: the zero work offsets should match your cad model
08:49 AM Tom_L: you set those with the buttons that are greyed out
08:50 AM pere: yes, I have managed to get them active on my machine, but it is not yet in a state where I can do cuts, so I have mostly 'touched down' near the homing position...
08:50 AM Tom_L: did you get your axis fixed?
08:50 AM pere: is there no indication on the screen showing the work space area?
08:50 AM Tom_L: or was it the spindle...
08:50 AM pere: the spindle is broken. the axis are limping along, but not very well tuned.
08:51 AM pere: working on fixing the spindle
08:51 AM pere: (and trying to figure out freecad, and linuxcnc, and, and....
08:51 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure if it shows the work envelope or not, i don't recall looking for it
08:51 AM Tom_L: but it is set in the joint section of the ini per axis
08:52 AM Tom_L: MIN_LIMIT = -17.750
08:52 AM Tom_L: MAX_LIMIT = 0.050
08:52 AM pere: yeah, found those, and they are fairly correct. just expected them to show up in the display to let me know if I was getting close...
08:52 AM Tom_L: my x axis
08:53 AM Tom_L: when you load a gcode file it will error if it's out of bounds
08:54 AM pere: Mine X is:
08:54 AM pere: MIN_LIMIT = -515.2
08:54 AM pere: MAX_LIMIT = 50
08:54 AM Tom_L: mm?
08:54 AM pere: yeah
08:54 AM Tom_L: all you need on max is enough to clear the home switch
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08:54 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: It depends on how the gremlin widget is configured but it can show a box indicating the machine travel area.
08:54 AM Tom_L: i used .050" on mine
08:54 AM Tom_L: ZincBoy[CAON][m], yeah i've never looked into that
08:55 AM pere: ZincBoy[CAON][m]: what is gremlin?
08:55 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: The GTK widget used to do the backplot in Axis and other UIs.
08:56 AM pere: ZincBoy[CAON][m]: any idea how to enable such box?
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08:56 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I just loaded an axis config:
08:57 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can see the machine area box there. You just might need to zoom out to see it on your setup.
08:57 AM Tom_L: i wasn't sure if it was visible by default..
08:57 AM Tom_L: never bothered..
08:58 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: In Axis it is under View->Show Machine Limits.
08:58 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Seems like it is on my default for me.
08:59 AM Tom_L: it's visible in my pic, i just didn't realize that's what it was
08:59 AM Tom_L: so it must be on by default
09:00 AM Tom_L: is there a way to set the screen size when lcnc starts?
09:00 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: That is UI dependent. I know you can in gmoccapy. Not sure in Axis
09:01 AM Tom_L: i've seen it start up different sizes but don't know where to set it
09:02 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: In gmoccapy, it is in the settings section under appearance. You can set it to full screen or to a specific size and position.
09:03 AM pere: ZincBoy[CAON][m]: tested on the machine, and sadly 'show machine limits' did nothing.
09:03 AM Tom_L: zoom out and see
09:03 AM Tom_L: i bet it's there
09:04 AM pere: I did zoom both out and in, nothing visible.
09:05 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You may need to zoom out quite a bit depending on where it starts.
09:05 AM pere: I know it is around 500 mm across, so I should have seen it.
09:20 AM Tom_L: found mine i think: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/29735-axis-modifications
09:45 AM Tom_L: and
09:45 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/gui/axis.html#_axis_customization_hints
10:37 AM pere: Tom_L: I find nothing behind those links about the work area bounding box?
10:40 AM Tom_L: wasn't looking for that :)
10:40 AM Tom_L: i believe the box is there but you can't see it
10:40 AM Tom_L: i just checked on my mill and zoomed out and it's there
10:40 AM Tom_L: a red dotted box
10:51 AM pere: well, my eyes are not what they used to be...
10:51 AM pere: Tom_L: is the line getting thinner the further away from the box you get?
11:19 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L,
11:19 AM JT-Cave: <mitya57> JT-Cave: we are in the middle of transition, it will be sorted out in a few days.
11:19 AM JT-Cave: just my luck...
12:07 PM Tom_L: figures
12:08 PM Tom_L: pere, not that i know of
12:08 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, being on the bleeding edge can be a bitch sometimes
12:09 PM JT-Shop: not paying attention to what is about to be deleted is not a good thing to do on d13
12:10 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside for a nap
01:18 PM JT-Shop: john@machineshop:~$ sudo apt update
01:18 PM JT-Shop: 601 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
01:18 PM JT-Shop: d12
01:28 PM Tom_L: i did the upgrade
01:28 PM Tom_L: nothing too painful here
01:31 PM Tom_L: i kinda expected a lengthy list on one that isn't released yet
02:18 PM JT-Shop: guess I can do some dev work on this pc until pyqt guys get their crap straight
02:18 PM JT-Shop: but I wonder why they pushed a broken package?
02:18 PM Tom_L: found your axis customizing page
02:18 PM Tom_L: been putzing with that a bit
02:19 PM JT-Shop: I'm building a cat house truss
02:25 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, do you have python3-pyqt5 installed on debian 12?
02:25 PM Tom_L: how do i check?
02:26 PM Tom_L: i may
02:27 PM Tom_L: pyqt5-dev-tools is
02:27 PM Tom_L: and yes python3-pyqt5 is as well
02:28 PM JT-Shop2: ok that means I can update the machine shop pc
02:28 PM Tom_L: don't blame me...
02:28 PM Tom_L: :)
02:29 PM Tom_L: i was about to update something on the wheezy mill but may test it on it's backup ssd first
02:29 PM JT-Shop2: I think I'll wait until they sort out d13
02:30 PM Tom_L: btw bigfileopen.tcl still works
02:31 PM JT-Shop2: what is that?
02:32 PM Tom_L: something you wrote 100 yrs ago
02:32 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/29735-axis-modifications
02:33 PM Tom_L: added the 'do you really wanna quit' think to mine as well
02:42 PM JT-Shop2: all the tcl stuff I got by bugging dewey
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have you seen Axis-2, a touch screen version of Axis?
02:53 PM Tom_L: no
02:53 PM Tom_L: not that i know of
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/40659-axis-2-touchscreen-version-of-old-friend
02:54 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/16426-changing-the-opengl-colors-in-the-axis-gui#none
02:54 PM Tom_L: saw that though
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i thinks its easier to modify than the original as well
02:55 PM JT-Shop2: have you seen mill touch 7?
02:55 PM JT-Shop2: it's much more than axis will ever be
02:55 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Updated for 2.9 with auto scaling for small 800x480 screens to 2k monitors
02:55 PM Tom_L: i don't have a touchscreen
02:56 PM Tom_L: do you know where the plotter colors are set?
02:56 PM Tom_L: live_plotter.logger.set_colors
02:56 PM Tom_L: which parameter does what
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: being without any sort of leadership beyond feelings police, LCNC doesn't have much beyond the forums and the wiki for new stuff
03:18 PM CloudEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8j8D95GjE #Unreasonablylargebeds
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03:38 PM djsftree5725[m]: my granite #Unreasonablylargebeds
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03:42 PM djsftree5725[m]: Using a commercial system for that project though. Maybe LinuxCNC in the futre..... 🙂
03:47 PM djsftree5725[m]: I wonder if Unreal 5 could be used as front end for LinuxCNC with photo real digital twin, chips and coolant. And VR.
04:00 PM XXCoder: new andy video dropped
04:01 PM XXCoder: andypugh: nice video indeed
04:02 PM andypugh: Did you see: https://youtu.be/T9u3g-0uYko
04:03 PM XXCoder: nope, watching now.
04:10 PM XXCoder: guy uses 3d printed lock parts holder. cool
04:11 PM XXCoder: its one of nice things about 3d printer. easy to make very specific holders for one
04:15 PM XXCoder: just had a thought though
04:16 PM XXCoder: andypugh: what happens if person uses tool to just push all pins up, not to open, but to rip out inside cylinder?
04:16 PM XXCoder: that c lock looks very strong but yeah
04:16 PM andypugh: The driver pins are long enough that you can’t do that.
04:17 PM andypugh: Anyway, that’s cheating :-)
04:27 PM XXCoder: yeah. its great on stopping lockpickers, but I guess theres still that giant lockpicker
04:27 PM XXCoder: this tool https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Em8E-Dp-L._SX355_.jpg
04:27 PM XXCoder: anyway hope you succeed on selling this design lock
04:39 PM roycroft: if your lock can be cut off with a bolt cutter like that it's not much of a lock
04:39 PM roycroft: on the other hand, about 15 seconds with a cutoff wheel on a battery grinder will take care of most padlocks
04:40 PM XXCoder: grinder is bit harder to bring in but yeah
04:41 PM roycroft: some of the more clever designs have a hollow, hardened shackle that has a hardened rod that fits inside it freely
04:41 PM roycroft: so once you cut through the outer shell, the inner rod just spins
04:41 PM roycroft: it can still be cut through, but it generally takes a lot longer
04:41 PM XXCoder: would evenually wear but yeah it takes a lot time, and its still loud I guess
04:41 PM XXCoder: thieves dont like noise from what I understand
04:43 PM roycroft: well i don't like noise either
04:43 PM roycroft: so i can understand that
04:43 PM roycroft: but i'm not a thief
04:43 PM roycroft: i just find noises like that annoying
04:43 PM XXCoder: lol ok
04:44 PM XXCoder: well theives certainly cant leave no trace break in with andys design
04:44 PM XXCoder: and it dont seem to be sensive to that dumb soda can shim unlock
04:52 PM XXCoder: I still remember that video where guys reviewing a smart lock.
04:52 PM XXCoder: you use phone to unlock it
04:53 PM XXCoder: guy checked it over, it was fairly resistant to picklocking
04:53 PM XXCoder: had can shim issue
04:53 PM XXCoder: but then guy checks out rear on rubber cover
04:53 PM XXCoder: he removes it, and theres 4 bolts
04:54 PM XXCoder: he thought it was just help hold into some stuff but would stay locked anyway
04:54 PM XXCoder: nope it easily fell apart
05:06 PM Tom_L: just have a big mean dog on hand as backup
05:07 PM XXCoder: hard to bring into say, ymca lol
05:08 PM Tom_L: i dunno, i see alot more in stores nowdays
05:09 PM Tom_L: just take your pet snake with you to the Y and let him sleep in the locker
05:11 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day
05:16 PM andypugh_ is now known as andypugh
05:25 PM andypugh: I have been given a bunch of these locks: https://youtu.be/o5BRy93769U (actually the remains of the ones that came back from “Sold Secure” testing. I am planning to put a tubilar locj version of my design in one.
05:55 PM Tom_L: ok wheezy mill updated to 2.8.4
06:00 PM Tom_L: wheezy didn't like the live_plotter.logger.set_colors entry in .axisrc though
06:01 PM Tom_L: not sure why
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08:13 PM solarwind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFrVdoOhu1Q
08:14 PM solarwind: I love this precision lathe
08:14 PM solarwind: I wish he'd publish some kind of build guide
08:15 PM solarwind: Specifically interested in the air bearing part of the saddle and cross slide
08:21 PM solarwind: Everything about that machine is amazing
08:21 PM solarwind: How do you even even align the granite beds to a micrometer while gluing them together
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