Sep 08 2022
12:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: sounds like a distributor
12:09 AM XXCoder: eh dunno. certainly nothing unique in it
12:09 AM XXCoder: benefit is just buying a package or kit and be done
12:09 AM XXCoder: can even open surce designs and people can buy em themselves
12:09 AM CaptHindsight[m]: plus the economy is getting worse not better, you're not going to sell K's of systems even with a $100 profit per system
12:09 AM XXCoder: I never thought it'd be a big market
12:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you can buy machines from China or Taiwan without motors and controls
12:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Siemens will gladly sell you a bolt on kit of motors, encoders, controls and display
12:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: goof luck trying to get any custom machine going with Siemens
12:14 AM XXCoder: capt yeah id not offer closed stuff
12:14 AM XXCoder: linuxcnc only
12:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: production machine shops buy names you know, Haas, Mazak etc
12:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: smaller shops buy lower cost machines from Taiwan and other places
12:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: even smaller shops are the ones that convert Bridgeports
12:24 AM XXCoder: not surpised
12:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: is these shops that choose between LCNC, Mach and Acorn/Centroid
12:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: LCNC seems to attract the types that really want the machine to work their way
12:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Mach and Acorn/Centroid is attractive to those just just want to run the machines, not build them or customize them
12:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: an hobby is mostly just whatever is lowest cost
12:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I mostly use LCNC since all I do is build custom machines
12:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 5-axis machine center with laser banana peeler and espresso maker, no problem
12:30 AM XXCoder: fancy lol
12:31 AM CaptHindsight[m]: why that open SLS should be more flexible, we can swap to a CO2 laser or add inkjet for binderjet or jet fusion, but oh well
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12:32 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he is cornering himself into a black nylon powder only corner
12:32 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -bbbb by XXCoder
12:32 AM XXCoder: oops lol
12:33 AM XXCoder: capt well I guess might be cheaper to have one focus?
12:33 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to -b by XXCoder
12:34 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he's not releasing any 3dmodels until he's done
12:35 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he should be using freecad or at least sharing step files for everyone to chime in on, then he can push it all into a master final version
12:36 AM XXCoder: didnt want to lose control is my best guess
12:36 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the main assembly can be used for several types of printers
12:36 AM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah he's got some agenda, why i stopped helping
12:37 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the powder bed, the spreader is the main mechanical part that mey be reused
12:37 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it can have a combo of lasers, LCD/DLP projectors, inkjet etc
12:38 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and he chose quite a kludge of GRBL controls
12:38 AM CaptHindsight[m]: just some config changes if they used Mesa between different designs and features
12:39 AM CaptHindsight[m]: same Mesa boards can control all the steppers and galvos
12:40 AM CaptHindsight[m]: inkjet would just be an additional Mesa or FPGA board
12:41 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and a PC or arm64 board to output video for DLP/LCD
12:41 AM XXCoder: true
12:41 AM CaptHindsight[m]: but he's got some mess that can't be easily adapted
12:42 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and he wants to use $100/Kg black nylon powder
12:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: he could use the cheap stuff since the printer is so half assed with that 450nm laser toy
12:43 AM XXCoder: yeah guy ingored the fact that you literally make the stuff
12:43 AM XXCoder: and other guy was bit weird, tried to impile you dont know sls powder
12:43 AM XXCoder: when you literally made em and sls machine too
12:43 AM XXCoder: it may be indeed the case of not invented here
12:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: well they run EOS and similar machines, it;s where they are copying from
12:44 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I bet when the files do get released they will be pdf 2d drawings
12:45 AM XXCoder: dunno
12:45 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so good luck, spend a week creating new 3d models that might be the same
12:46 AM CaptHindsight[m]: if I was working on something similar right now I'd be posting CAD files just for fun
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: plus his powder spreader is patented
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: the reverse spinning roller
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: not sure what they will do about that
12:49 AM XXCoder: hmm i dont recall seeing that
12:49 AM XXCoder: just saw wiping type
12:50 AM CaptHindsight[m]: it's in his build discussion
12:52 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8568124B2/en and similar
12:52 AM XXCoder: expires in 2031
12:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: there are a bunch of others
12:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: mostly from co'sthat don't even make printers :)
12:57 AM XXCoder: fun. well can still benefit from licenising
01:13 AM randy: morning
02:39 AM Deejay: moin
03:54 AM pere: hi
04:41 AM Tom_L: morning
05:53 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:34 AM travis_farmer[m]: G'Morning
09:19 AM roycroft: bbc one just suspended regular programming, and the presentor is wearing a dark suit, white shirt, and black tie, which is the custom when a member of the royal family dies
09:21 AM * CloudEvil sighs at the thought of King Charles.
09:22 AM roycroft: or king whatever he calls himself
09:22 AM CloudEvil: Yes.
09:22 AM CloudEvil: Reignal name - or whatever. I'd be modeslt surprised if he'd go with anything else than Charles.
09:23 AM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I designed and built the whole machine
09:26 AM roycroft: kings named charles have a mixed track record
09:26 AM roycroft: the first one caused a civil war
09:26 AM roycroft: the second was one of the most popular monarchs in british history
09:27 AM roycroft: anyway, we may be seeing an end of an era that has lasted longer than the lives of almost everyone here
10:16 AM roguish[m]: roycroft: wow. did the Queen kak?
10:16 AM roguish[m]: bbc news just says ill.
10:17 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: more pics please...... of that machine...
10:19 AM roycroft: she has not passed yet
10:19 AM roycroft: but the royal family are gathering at balmoral
10:21 AM roguish[m]: think they'll bypass Charles?
10:22 AM roycroft: no
10:23 AM roycroft: if it were a labour government, there's a slight chance they would
10:23 AM roycroft: although it's more likelly that the monarchy would be abolished than that william would be named king
10:23 AM roycroft: and there's very little chance of that, either
10:24 AM roycroft: for now
10:24 AM roycroft: after a few years of king whatever-he-styles-himself that might change
10:24 AM roguish[m]: too bad. might save UK lots of money
10:24 AM roycroft: the monarchy is a net revenue gain for the uk
10:25 AM roycroft: but i do believe that elizabeth is the primary reason it has endured for the past half century
10:26 AM roguish[m]: an American's view,.... scrap it all. it's a waste of time. total bs.
10:26 AM roycroft: if charles had been king at the turn of the century, tony blair would have had a real chance at abolishing the monarchy
10:28 AM roycroft: my feelings about the monarchy are the same as about religion - unnecssary for the functioning of a modern society, but able to provide comfort and a moral compass for folks who need that kind of help
10:28 AM roguish[m]: supposed to go back up to 105ish today..........
10:29 AM roycroft: if they provide some benefit, and are not inherently harmful, then i don't have a major issue with them
10:29 AM roycroft: the california weather is just bizarre
10:29 AM roycroft: compounding all the other weather events, socal is now feeling the effects of a hurricane
10:30 AM roguish[m]: whatever works for the Brits.
10:30 AM roycroft: which are causeing essentially santa ana winds on steroids
10:31 AM roycroft: and sacramento is more like fresno these days
10:31 AM roguish[m]: i just laugh when all the media starts yamming about records, and hottest ever, and all that shit. history is not 200 years. more like at least 200 million.
10:32 AM roycroft: i use the terms "on record" or "recorded history" in lieu of "history"
10:32 AM roguish[m]: that's definetely more accurate
10:35 AM CloudEvil: Various tracers do tell you about local climate history in addition to recorded. Treerings as an obvioius example
10:36 AM roguish[m]: only for a few hundred years. maybe a thou if super lucky. same with ice layers. still, just a blink in time.
10:41 AM roguish[m]: this is the real problem...... https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220905-is-the-world-overpopulated
10:48 AM roycroft: climate is a 30 year concept
10:49 AM roycroft: something that many folks don't seem to grasp
10:49 AM roycroft: some equate climate and weather
10:49 AM roycroft: others think climate is an aggregate over an extremely long period of time, and that any discussion of climate is meaningless
11:15 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, you around?
11:16 AM roycroft: jt: i'm not finished with my cnc router design yet, but i wonder if you're still interested/willing to make some parts for me when i get the design completed
11:17 AM roycroft: manually machining them vs. cnc machining them may make a difference in the design
11:44 AM JT-Shop: so long as they fit in my VMC sure
11:50 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, ?
11:51 AM JT-Shop: can you build a couple new armhf debs?
11:51 AM Tom_L: SURE
11:51 AM Tom_L: woops.. caps lock
11:51 AM Tom_L: just walked in.. gimme a couple
11:51 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact
11:51 AM JT-Shop: ok
11:58 AM Tom_L: buster or bullseye?
11:59 AM Tom_L: or does it matter?
12:00 PM Tom_L: bullseye it is..
12:02 PM JT-Shop: I have no clue
12:02 PM Tom_L: maybe.. doubt i have any tools installed on it
12:07 PM Tom_L: 0.7.2
12:09 PM Tom_L: must not be a debuild package for arm
12:09 PM roycroft: thanks
12:09 PM roycroft: that helps with my planning
12:09 PM Tom_L: ?
12:09 PM Tom_L: dpkg-buildpackage instead
12:16 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, error..
12:16 PM Tom_L: startup.py line 31
12:17 PM Tom_L: list index out of range
12:17 PM Tom_L: installed on a bullseye fresh install
12:17 PM Tom_L: probably a file assumed to be there
12:19 PM JT-Shop: looking
12:22 PM JT-Shop: LinuxCNC not installed?
12:23 PM Tom_L: no not on that one
12:23 PM Tom_L: i'll boot up buster and build it
12:27 PM Tom_L: git pull will bring it up to date right?
12:29 PM JT-Cave: right, I'm not getting any error with lcnc not installed
12:29 PM Tom_L: building on buster now
12:30 PM Tom_L: huh
12:30 PM Tom_L: so does that indicate an error?
12:30 PM JT-Cave: run mesact from a terminal and see what it prints out, should say (none) if lcnc is not installed
12:31 PM Tom_L: once i build i will... gotta swap sd cards
12:31 PM JT-Cave: ok, I'm heading back to the shop in a few just going to add a check for length
12:34 PM JT-Cave: just pushed the check
12:34 PM Tom_L: to see if lcnc is installed?
12:35 PM Tom_L: i doubt mesaflash is installed on bullseye either...
12:36 PM JT-Shop: yes to get the version if installed
12:37 PM Tom_L: probably wouldn't have shown up but on a fresh install..
12:39 PM Tom_L: rebuilding with the patch..
12:40 PM roycroft: the palace just announced that the queen has died
12:43 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: you will only see the max current when it is under load.
12:44 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Just spinning the spindle will only use a fraction of the power the spindle is capable of.
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: does anyone uses one of those china HY vfds?
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: This makes no sense. I am using qtdragon an connected the HY vfd pins and etc. I was using the hal watch and the `vfd.OutA` that is supposed to be the current floats around 1.3 and 1.6, no matter how fast the spindle is. OTOH, the `vfd.OutV` that is theoretically the voltage, increases linearly from 650 to 2200, around 150 per each 2k rpm. I added a scaler to make that look like 65 to 220 since I assume the voltage isn't 2.2kV 😄
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: But, with that, the qtdragon spindle power calculation that is in watts only goes to around 280 W (220 V x 1.3 V), that is completely not matching the 1.5 kW that the spindle is supposed to be.
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: I am assuming that the information that the VFD is sending is basically garbage (that's using the HY VFD module via serial connection btw)
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: hrmm, I guess I will have to run a job and watch those things then
12:44 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can see higher currents when accelerating the spindle as well.
12:44 PM coredump6391[m]: I am trying to figure out a torque curve for this very generic spindle
12:45 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Without a dynometer it will be pretty tough. Best bet is just to use the current as a proxy for the torque. Max current = max torque.
12:47 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Some drives have a torque/load meter output. Typically if they have a vector mode control, they will provide a torque output as well. That is what I use on my mill for spindle load metering.
12:52 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, deb uploaded
12:55 PM JT-Shop: thanks
12:56 PM Tom_L: was that the only one you needed?
12:57 PM JT-Shop: yes
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12:59 PM JT-Shop: when you run from a terminal on the rpi what does mesact print
01:00 PM Tom_dev: just booted bullseye.. checking
01:00 PM JT-Shop: thanks
01:01 PM Tom_dev: A program error occurred in startup.py line 31 Error: list index out of range
01:02 PM Tom_dev: Mesact Version: 0.7.2 Build Date 9/8/2022
01:02 PM Tom_dev: Please file an issue with da man..
01:03 PM Tom_dev: neither lcnc nor mesaflassh are installed yet
01:04 PM Tom_L: that's the version without the patch though
01:04 PM Tom_L: lemme reinstall
01:04 PM JT-Shop: oh can you check the one with the patch
01:04 PM JT-Shop: did it print something to the terminal before the error?
01:05 PM Tom_dev: tom@raspberrypi:~ $ mesact
01:05 PM Tom_dev: File startup.py line 31, in function setup
01:05 PM Tom_dev: Error: list index out of range
01:08 PM JT-Shop: is that from the patched deb?
01:08 PM Tom_dev: no, i'm installing it now
01:08 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:08 PM JT-Shop: oh I see I commented out the print function :)
01:09 PM JT-Shop: and the print is twice so it will print the result of subprocess.check_output
01:10 PM Tom_dev: problem installing on bullseye
01:14 PM Tom_dev: JT-Shop, i put a txt file in that same directory showing the errors
01:14 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:14 PM Tom_dev: i could be missing some things since it's a fresh install
01:14 PM Tom_dev: gotta leave here in a bit
01:15 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:15 PM JT-Shop: thanks
01:15 PM Tom_dev: i captured what was in the buffer
01:15 PM JT-Shop: was that error from trying to build?
01:15 PM Tom_dev: trying to install 0.7.2 on bullseye
01:16 PM Tom_dev: no lcnc and no mesaflash
01:16 PM Tom_dev: and gdebi is hung
01:16 PM JT-Shop: hmm none of that makes sense for an install
01:16 PM Tom_dev: i'll look at it more when i get back
01:16 PM JT-Shop: if you have time try running gdebi from the command line
01:16 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:17 PM Tom_dev: i'll have to reboot to do that i think
01:19 PM Tom_L: a problem has occurred the system can't recover from
01:19 PM Tom_L: shut off and trying again...
01:19 PM Tom_L: nope.. caused a terminal error
01:19 PM Tom_L: have to reload the SD card
01:20 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:21 PM Tom_L: i get a login prompt then that error
01:23 PM JT-Shop: when trying to start the rpi?
01:23 PM Tom_L: yes
01:23 PM Tom_L: the sd is a gonner
01:24 PM Tom_L: tried root and no go
01:24 PM Tom_L: dunno the password
01:24 PM Tom_L: bbl
01:31 PM JT-Shop: ok
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: ex-queen
02:15 PM roguish[m]: long live King Charles.
02:17 PM XXCoder: nah always queen. she didnt quit before she died
02:30 PM roycroft: she actually wasn't the queen until she was 25
02:32 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you get anything out of those errors?
02:32 PM JT-Shop: no
02:34 PM Tom_L: may have to figure where i got the bullseye for it.. seems i didn't make an img file
02:34 PM roguish[m]: roycroft: Charles should abdicate and give the throne to Harry ...............
02:36 PM roycroft: william would be next in line
02:37 PM roycroft: charles is the first monarch in the uk who attended school
02:37 PM roycroft: so there's that to say for hm
02:37 PM roycroft: him
02:37 PM roguish[m]: yeah, but Harry and his bitch, gold digging wife can straighten out the country......
02:38 PM roguish[m]: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
02:39 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i could try it on bookworm...
02:39 PM Tom_L: i have a fresh SD install for it
02:40 PM XXCoder: roycroft: true better to say "once queen, always queen" lol in least if didnt quit
02:44 PM JT-Shop: can't log into the bp and the disk was full...
02:44 PM Tom_L: mount it remote and clean house?
02:45 PM JT-Shop: I can get to the command line on the bp but ssh is not setup
02:46 PM Tom_L: found an image but dunno if it's the one i need..
02:47 PM Tom_L: raspios-bullseye-arm64
02:57 PM Tom_L: looks like it could be the right one
03:07 PM JT-Shop: freaking apt cache is hogging my tiny hard drive
03:10 PM Tom_L: maybe it's not big enough
03:10 PM Tom_L: this img installs and goes right to the updates..
03:11 PM Tom_L: it does let you set up a regular user though instead of pi
03:12 PM Tom_L: want me to try building on this again?
03:13 PM JT-Shop: yes if you have time
03:14 PM Tom_L: still working out this img install..
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03:33 PM JT-Shop: clean 120GB of logs in 3 files...
03:33 PM Tom_L: how to dd the sd to an image on the pc?
03:34 PM Tom_L: dd if=/dev/ssd then what?
03:34 PM Tom_L: of=file-on-pc
03:34 PM JT-Shop: you trying to dd the img to the sd card?
03:35 PM Tom_L: no
03:35 PM Tom_L: trying to dd the SD to an image on the pc for a backup
03:35 PM Tom_L: before i screw it up again
03:35 PM JT-Shop: hmm
03:36 PM Tom_L: i thought i had it written somewhere..
03:37 PM JT-Shop: I use to use some software that you booted up to... clonezilla I think
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03:38 PM Tom_dev: sudo dd bs=4M if=/dev/sdd of=/home/username/MyImage.img
03:38 PM Tom_dev: 4m is too big though
03:39 PM JT-Shop: dd will make a copy of the whole drive I think
03:39 PM Tom_L: yeah probably
03:39 PM JT-Shop: bs=1024 * any number
03:39 PM Tom_dev: clonezilla work ok?
03:40 PM XXCoder: tom it dont really matter since even cheap computer has huge amount of ram anyway plenty of cache means no stll and wait
03:40 PM XXCoder: default BS is simply too small
03:40 PM JT-Shop: worked for me a bunch of times when I was selling hard drives with emc on them
03:40 PM Tom_dev: ok
03:40 PM JT-Shop: yep you need to specify bs
03:41 PM JT-Shop: sudo dd if=full/path/to/iso/file of=/dev/sd? bs=8192 status=progress
03:41 PM Tom_dev: now to find the menu entry for it..
03:41 PM JT-Shop: bp is back up and going and now I tired of putzing with it... time to give the hens some sprouts
03:41 PM JT-Shop: for dd?
03:42 PM Tom_dev: clonezilla
03:42 PM JT-Shop: you burn it to a cd and boot from the cd
03:43 PM JT-Shop: https://clonezilla.org/downloads.php
03:43 PM JT-Shop: https://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live.php
03:46 PM roycroft: i am impatient when it comes to such things so i usually use bs=1m when putting bootable images on thumb drives or cd-roms
03:46 PM Tom_dev: i did
03:47 PM Tom_dev: i just didn't wanna boot in winblows to make the image
03:47 PM XXCoder: 1m is reasonable also
03:48 PM * coredump6391[m] uploaded an image: (2099KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/KFtJvzwVDLKZVsReBFHsyQrp/unknown.png >
03:48 PM coredump6391[m]: My first aluminum cut ❤️
03:48 PM coredump6391[m]: So, if the stuff that's supposed to be 5mm is 4.82, what should I be looking at?
03:48 PM Tom_dev: i see you went for useful
03:48 PM * roycroft has been using dd for such things since 1977, and finds it is still the best tool for the job
03:49 PM Tom_dev: coredump6391[m], tool deflection
03:49 PM Tom_dev: or your scale is off
03:50 PM Tom_dev: roycroft, no way to shrink the img size though
03:50 PM roycroft: no, dd is not designed for that
03:51 PM roycroft: actually, conv=sparse is useful sometimes
03:51 PM Tom_dev: what's that do?
03:51 PM roycroft: that won't shrink the image size, but it will cause a sparse file not to expand
03:51 PM coredump6391[m]: well pretty much all slots are 0.15 off, and the hole that was bored is .10 off on diameter, weirdly enough, the outside contour is .2 bigger
03:52 PM Tom_dev: coredump6391[m], tool deflection
03:52 PM coredump6391[m]: not that is going to kill me because I don't expect 100% accuracy from a chinese hunk of metal, so, still good
03:52 PM XXCoder: coredump6391[m]: nice. yeah gonna figure where sizes is off from. ie you gonna figure if tool is smaller than ideal number, deflection, or cnc configuring scale
03:52 PM Tom_dev: would be my first bet
03:53 PM coredump6391[m]: I will try with smaller feeds later and see if that helps
03:53 PM Tom_dev: coredump6391[m], did you run a cleanup pass?
03:53 PM roycroft: i would first make a straight slot the width of the cutter, and see if the machine cuts it in one pass
03:53 PM roycroft: and then measure it
03:53 PM coredump6391[m]: on the slots/boring, no, just did 1.5mm stepdowns. On the contour I did a rough one first leaving 0.2mm and then another one with faster feedrate to remove that part
03:54 PM coredump6391[m]: roycroft good idea. I expect the slot to be the correct width but not lenght in that case?
03:54 PM roycroft: ye
03:54 PM roycroft: s
03:58 PM coredump6391[m]: well, you know, close enough counts for this, horseshoes and hand grenades
04:02 PM Tom_L: yeah but don't you wanna know why?
04:02 PM Tom_L: also climb vs conventional cutting
04:04 PM coredump6391[m]: oh, yeah, I want to know why for sure. So the slots were climb, the first contour pass was conventional and the clearing one was climb again
04:05 PM coredump6391[m]: hmm, maybe I don't have the rigidity for climb
04:05 PM Tom_L: i do climb whenever i can
04:09 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, building on bullseye atm
04:09 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:10 PM Tom_L: no lcnc or mesaflash yet
04:12 PM JT-Shop: building the mesact deb?
04:13 PM * JT-Shop goes to do some zero turning
04:14 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop,
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04:15 PM Tom_dev: A program error occurred in startup.py line 34
04:15 PM Tom_dev: error: local variable 'version' referenced before assignment
04:16 PM Tom_dev: your patch didn't work i think
04:16 PM Tom_dev: at least it built this time
04:17 PM Tom_dev: debian version: 11.4
04:17 PM Tom_dev: Linux raspberrypi 5.15.61-v8+ #1579 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 26 11:16:44 BST 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux
04:36 PM JT-Shop: I see where I goofed up
04:39 PM JT-Shop: tom
04:39 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, fixed the indent error
04:39 PM JT-Shop: I think
04:39 PM JT-Shop: and pushed
05:00 PM Tom_L: k i'll rebuild
05:02 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:12 PM Tom_L: 2 warnings
05:12 PM Tom_L: you didn't install mesaflash
05:12 PM Tom_L: is this your first time...
05:14 PM Tom_L: hmm i just noticed something
05:15 PM Tom_L: maybe i should build on buster and bullseye
05:15 PM Tom_L: seems bullseye is 64 bit
05:15 PM Tom_L: and buster is 32
05:16 PM Tom_L: i only noticed that when i went to upload the files for you
05:16 PM Tom_L: i figuerd i'd get a message to overwrite the old one
05:16 PM JT-Shop: I don't think the 64 bit works with lcnc
05:16 PM Tom_L: mesact?
05:16 PM Tom_L: or rpi?
05:16 PM JT-Shop: no lcnc and rpi
05:17 PM Tom_L: mesact started up ok
05:17 PM JT-Shop: but I may be full of it
05:17 PM JT-Shop: good
05:17 PM Tom_L: well should both be offered?
05:17 PM JT-Shop: what did mesact print
05:17 PM JT-Shop: can't hurt
05:17 PM Tom_L: nothing, just the messages that mesaflash wasn't present and is this your first time
05:18 PM Tom_L: i'll reboot and build on buster then
05:18 PM Tom_L: the 64bit one is the newest and you can grab it. the armhf one needs rebuilt
05:19 PM JT-Shop: you can turn them off on the options tab
05:19 PM Tom_L: right
05:19 PM JT-Shop: I'll grab them in the am during free time... hurry up starlink
05:19 PM Tom_L: heh
05:19 PM JT-Shop: glad it starts up now :)
05:19 PM Tom_L: i'll have the armhf one up there by then
05:20 PM JT-Shop: k
05:21 PM JT-Shop: thanks for the help
05:22 PM Tom_L: np
05:22 PM Tom_L: thanks for not giving up on the tool :)
05:23 PM JT-Shop: momentary brain fart on my part
05:23 PM Tom_L: we all have those
05:23 PM JT-Shop: I wasn't dumb enough to not save a copy :)
05:24 PM Tom_L: that first bunch of errors must have been a bad sd image or something
05:27 PM JT-Shop: that makes sense
05:28 PM Tom_L: so you should figure out how to cross compile these on amd64 :)
05:29 PM Tom_L: ...if you need a project :)
05:29 PM JT-Shop: I need less projects LOL
05:30 PM Tom_L: you used that arduino plc on that loader thing?
05:31 PM JT-Shop: I'm putting it in the double chucker
05:31 PM JT-Shop: not sure why it's named that lol
05:31 PM Tom_L: heh
05:31 PM JT-Shop: double cutter seems more appropriate as it cuts both ends of a straight handle
05:33 PM Tom_L: testing..
05:36 PM Tom_L: ok both updated on the server
05:36 PM JT-Shop: thanks
05:36 PM JT-Shop: when you run mesact in a terminal on the rpi what does it print?
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05:37 PM Tom_rpi: tom@linuxcnc:~ $ mesact
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: qt5ct: using qt5ct plugin
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: qt5ct: D-Bus global menu: no
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: linuxcnc-uspace:
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: Installed: 1:2.9.0~pre0.6931.g228dc1a79
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: Candidate: 1:2.9.0~pre0.6931.g228dc1a79
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: Version table:
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: *** 1:2.9.0~pre0.6931.g228dc1a79 100
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 1:2.8.2 500
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 500 http://linuxcnc.org buster/2.8-rtpreempt armhf Packages
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 1:2.8.1 500
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 500 http://linuxcnc.org buster/2.8-rtpreempt armhf Packages
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 1:2.8.0 500
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 500 http://linuxcnc.org buster/2.8-rtpreempt armhf Packages
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 1:2.8.0~pre3 500
05:37 PM Tom_rpi: 500 http://linuxcnc.org buster/2.8-rtpreempt armhf Packages
05:38 PM JT-Shop: wow
05:39 PM Tom_L: that was from buster
05:39 PM JT-Shop: the qt5ct stuff screwed me for a bit now I have to look for startswith linucnc then get the version
05:40 PM Tom_L: i'll see what bullseye says..
05:40 PM Tom_L: rebooting
05:40 PM JT-Shop: k
05:41 PM Tom_L: nothing reported on mesaflash though
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05:41 PM JT-Shop: I'm not using a print function for mesaflash just trouble shooting lcnc version
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I'm printing the result of apt-cache policy linuxcnc-uspace
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05:42 PM Tom_dev: nothing reported on bullseye with no lcnc etc
05:42 PM JT-Shop: that's what I expect
05:43 PM Tom_L: i suppose i'd have to build lcnc on it
05:44 PM JT-Shop: not needed I see I have to loop through and look for linuxcnc
05:44 PM JT-Shop: did buster show a version in mesact for linuxcnc
05:44 PM JT-Shop: ?
05:44 PM Tom_L: can you tell if it's preempt-rt?
05:45 PM JT-Shop: hmm, dunno but I bet you can get the kernel name in python somehow
05:45 PM Tom_dev: Linux raspberrypi 5.15.61-v8+ #1579 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 26 11:16:44 BST 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux
05:45 PM Tom_L: says preempt
05:46 PM JT-Shop: well yea I could use uname -a and parse that
05:46 PM Tom_L: but should it say preempt-rt instead?
05:46 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:47 PM JT-Shop: john@d10shop:~$ uname -a
05:47 PM JT-Shop: Linux d10shop 4.19.0-17-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.19.194-2 (2021-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
05:47 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure where to find alternate kernel for bullseye on rpi
05:47 PM JT-Shop: but your on the rpi so dunno
05:47 PM Tom_L: i'll boot back in buster and see. i know it is
05:48 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc-old/uspace/rpi4-rt.html
05:48 PM JT-Shop: last time I had to build the rt kernel
05:49 PM Tom_L: iirc arch is 32bit though
05:50 PM Tom_L: maybe not.. i may just be confused
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05:50 PM Tom_rpi: Linux linuxcnc 4.19.71-rt24-v7l+ #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Jan 1 21:15:16 GMT 2021 armv7l GNU/Linux
05:50 PM Tom_rpi: for buster
05:51 PM JT-Shop: that's rt for sure
05:51 PM Tom_L: right
05:51 PM JT-Shop: so today is friday for me and monday looks like a nice day for a motorcycle ride
05:51 PM Tom_L: funny.. today was friday here too :)
05:52 PM JT-Shop: I told the wife I have 2 questions... where are we going and which vehicle are we taking tomorrow
05:52 PM Tom_L: i'll check where i got that arm64 iso and see if they have a preempt-rt one
05:53 PM JT-Shop: last time I messed with it I had to build the rt kernel
05:55 PM JT-Shop: hmm a month till my birthday
05:56 PM Tom_L: mine was last month
05:59 PM JT-Shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9SqQNgDrgg
07:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: does LCNC 2.8 run on Deb11 Bullseye due to the Python and other changes?
07:39 PM Tom_L: i doubt it
07:40 PM Tom_L: bullseye -> 2.9.0~pre0
07:40 PM Tom_L: trying to build an rpi4 preempt-rt kernel
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes I have 2.9 on 10 Bullseye systems
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but I have to debug 2.9 back to 2.8
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: figures
07:43 PM Tom_L: bullseye is the stepchild nobody wanted
07:44 PM Tom_L: bookworm will have it in the repos
07:44 PM Tom_L: buster has it in the buildbot
08:18 PM unterhaus_: I guess I struck a nerve, they reported me to the reddit cares bot
08:42 PM roycroft: what's all this then?
08:42 PM roycroft: did the matrix just take a dump?
08:43 PM Tom_L: appears so
09:01 PM XXCoder: hmm
09:01 PM xxcoder[m]: hmm
09:01 PM XXCoder: bridge sorta broken
09:02 PM Tom_L: how to find your ip in linux?
09:03 PM XXCoder: ifconfig I think
09:03 PM XXCoder: yep
09:05 PM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/nFT4texmPQU
09:06 PM XXCoder: interesting. built 5 axis cnc then just got rid of it
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09:09 PM XXCoder: man the man has lack of forethought
09:20 PM roycroft: ifconfig is not installed by default on debain
09:20 PM roycroft: debian
09:21 PM roycroft: ip addr
09:21 PM roycroft: try that if you don't have ifconfig
09:24 PM Tom_L: ok i got the right process i think but the wrong kernel version
09:24 PM roycroft: i still install ifconfig because i've been using it so bloody long but i'm trying to get used to using ip, as that is what gets installed by default now
09:24 PM XXCoder: interesting. its still in default xfce mitn
09:25 PM roycroft: apt install net-tools
09:25 PM roycroft: that gets you ifconfig
09:25 PM Tom_L: i'm way past that now
09:25 PM Tom_L: but thanks
09:28 PM Tom_L: i wonder what kernel series bullseye uses
09:31 PM Tom_L: looks like 4.19
09:37 PM TurBoss: HEllo
09:37 PM * XXCoder waves
09:37 PM TurBoss: ~o~
09:37 PM * Tom_L waves from way across the bridge
09:39 PM TurBoss: appservice-irc thing seems offline its a matrix.org managed service
09:40 PM Tom_L: mmm looks like 5.15.65 may be the latest
09:51 PM Tom_L: trying to cross compile an arm64 kernel for the rpi4
10:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🏓
10:37 PM XXCoder: 🏓
11:47 PM Rhine_Labs: Sup.