#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 27 2022

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05:01 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:07 AM roscogamer[m]: morning
05:07 AM roscogamer[m]: i have a question once again
05:08 AM roscogamer[m]: if i open my config after like a minute it gives a error
05:08 AM roscogamer[m]: error finishing read! iter=46954
05:08 AM roscogamer[m]: and then stops
05:09 AM roscogamer[m]: yet the standard confic that lcnc comes with doesnt give that error and accutaly runs gcode and sends data to the servos
05:10 AM JT-Cave: do you mean a sim config?
05:10 AM roscogamer[m]: ye
05:10 AM roscogamer[m]: also this started after me upgrading to 2.9
05:10 AM JT-Cave: a sim is not real time, error finishing read means the pc took too long to respont
05:10 AM JT-Cave: respond
05:11 AM roscogamer[m]: cus i had my servos working in 2.83
05:11 AM roscogamer[m]: s/83/8.3/
05:11 AM roscogamer[m]: but why did it start doing this now?
05:15 AM roscogamer[m]: oke
05:16 AM roscogamer[m]: i think i found something
05:16 AM roscogamer[m]: it only does this when i try to load gcode
05:18 AM roscogamer[m]: is there a way to increase the max read time
05:18 AM roscogamer[m]: since this is by far not the most complex gcode
05:21 AM roscogamer[m]: oke when i do a smaller gcode file it works fine
05:21 AM roscogamer[m]: only with the gig file it breaks
05:52 AM Gamad8381[m]: This is so strange.... i was setting up computer on other screen (in my office) and its 1920 x 1080 - 32" i checked also display settings and it was that size on debian.. now I switched computer to machine which has 1920 x 1080 - 24" and now the max size of resolution is 1024 x 768 ... how is that possible?
05:52 AM Gamad8381[m]: im so confused right now
05:54 AM JT-Cave: roscogamer[m], if your using the Axis interface try turning off preview
06:01 AM roscogamer[m]: oke i have just been jogging anround and it also gave the error there
06:01 AM roscogamer[m]: but i find it weird it worked with the 2.83 version and there it even ran a 24k+line gcode file while doing the motor driving stuff
06:12 AM JT-Cave: Gamad8381[m], could be the video card is not known
06:54 AM Tom_L: morning
07:23 AM roscogamer[m]: morning tom
08:28 AM JT-Cave: roscogamer[m], https://gnipsel.com/images/mesact/Screenshot%20at%202022-08-27%2008-23-20.png
08:30 AM Tom_L: been busy i see
08:31 AM Tom_L: me too but nothing to show for it :/
08:34 AM JT-Cave: yep and all that work this morning ended up with some better code for checking gantry machine
08:34 AM JT-Cave: s
08:34 AM Tom_L: if i could figure out a bootloader i think i'd have this too but i'm stuck atm
08:35 AM roscogamer[m]: is that from the 2 z axis joints cus i fixed that already
08:35 AM JT-Cave: I hate when that happens
08:35 AM JT-Cave: yes it's your configuration from before now tested properly
08:35 AM roscogamer[m]: i used a shorter ethernet cable that i had laying around and now the cant read error seems to be gone
08:36 AM JT-Cave: just showing you that I fixed mesact so that error doesn't happen again
08:36 AM roscogamer[m]: ohh
08:36 AM JT-Cave: on the PC tab of mesact you can test your ethernet connection
08:37 AM roscogamer[m]: i do have another thing the get write.tmax and read.tmax buttons dont work for me
08:37 AM roscogamer[m]: they say i need to make a issue
08:44 AM roscogamer[m]: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/927 is this something that i need to look into
08:47 AM JT-Cave: you can but not a linuxcnc
08:48 AM JT-Cave: https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/issues
08:48 AM roscogamer[m]: oh
08:48 AM JT-Cave: oh nevermind I thought you had an issue with mesact
08:48 AM JT-Cave: or are you talking about two different things at the same time?
08:49 AM roscogamer[m]: no we arnt
08:49 AM roscogamer[m]: well kinda
08:50 AM roscogamer[m]: the error i was having with mesact is above and the github i shared is something i thought was intresting since thats the same setup im running
08:50 AM roscogamer[m]: a new kernal and getting that same error
08:51 AM JT-Cave: yes please file an issue at https://github.com/jethornton/mesact/issues for the issue with mesact and I'll fix that
08:51 AM roscogamer[m]: mkay can do
09:17 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, where's the bulk of the 2.8.4 7i96 discussion taking place?
09:18 AM Tom_L: since i don't follow the mail etc
09:18 AM roscogamer[m]: wait
09:18 AM roscogamer[m]: does 2.8.4 also suport it?
09:22 AM Tom_L: they're working on it
09:23 AM Tom_L: 2.8.3 was just released
09:26 AM roscogamer[m]: ahh
09:26 AM JT-Cave: the dev mailing list, but it's been quiet about 2.8.4 for a few days
09:27 AM JT-Cave: andypugh, said he will release 2.8.4 very soon
09:27 AM JT-Cave: so that will be a big help for people with the 7i96S
09:32 AM roscogamer[m]: neat
09:32 AM roscogamer[m]: anyway im getting the errors again
09:32 AM roscogamer[m]: after hooking up the servos
09:33 AM roscogamer[m]: and i got no idea why
10:06 AM solarwind: Well that was a weird summer. Uncomfortably hot and humid every day and now sudden dips to 13ºC at night
10:17 AM solarwind: I've accumulated a nice collection of stock metal from various sources, all given to me, but of unknown composition. It's all steel. Some of it is clearly mild steel, but others are precision ground round stock
10:17 AM solarwind: I don't have an x ray fluorescence gun. Is there a way to identify the alloy?
10:18 AM solarwind: Some of it could be D2, O2, A2, 1045, 1018 but I have no idea
10:22 AM solarwind: ugh, everything on ebay > $10,000
10:22 AM solarwind: Hmm maybe I can rent one. Just need to identify everything once
10:23 AM roycroft: do a spark test and develop a good eye for the subtleties in the spark patterns of the various alloys
10:23 AM CloudEvil: solarwind: I do wish they were two orders of magnitude cheaper myself
10:23 AM roycroft: you can probably do a fairly decent job of getting them sorted
10:24 AM CloudEvil: And yes, magnetic and spark alloy and a rough hardness tester can go a long way
10:24 AM roycroft: yes, i was going to mention you could heat treat them and check hardness as well
10:24 AM CloudEvil: Hardness tester has obvious issues with hardenable alloys of course
10:24 AM roycroft: you should be able to get a rockwell hardness tester fairly cheap
10:24 AM solarwind: Yeah that was going go be another excuse to get/build a heat treat oven
10:25 AM CloudEvil: I somewhere have a 30 degree wedge diamond anvil I got for $7 that I meant to DIY a hardness tester for
10:25 AM CloudEvil: (apply 10kg, image spot)
10:33 AM JT-Shop: solarwind, do a spark test
10:34 AM JT-Shop: prototype wood hinges came out nice... now for the real thing
10:34 AM solarwind: Yeah I plan to try that. But my understanding is that the sparks are different if it's been hardened vs annealed
10:35 AM JT-Shop: a file test will sort out hard vs not so hard
10:35 AM solarwind: Since it all looks like stock metal, it's likely annealed, but some shafts may have been removed from large pumps, etc.
10:35 AM JT-Shop: a file test will sort out surface hardness
10:36 AM roycroft: many alloys are shipped half hard
10:37 AM roguish[m]: magnetic / non-magnetic will help a little bit
10:37 AM roguish[m]: corrosion also.
10:38 AM solarwind: Ah yes, that leads me to my second question: is there some kind of chart with relative corrosion resistance of alloys?
10:42 AM CloudEvil: In general, paint it.
10:42 AM CloudEvil: If you're caring about corrosion resistance, and paint won't cut it, you're mostly out of the realm of simple metal determination
10:42 AM solarwind: Well the corrosion resistance is more general curiosity
10:43 AM roycroft: regarding hardness, if you're testing that, keep in mind that many parts, especially shafts, are case-hardened, so you would want to cut a slice off and test the core as well
10:44 AM roycroft: and anything you have that is cold-rolled will be somewhat work hardened as an artifact of the extrusion proces
10:44 AM solarwind: That was my other concern. I guess I have to do this on an as needed basis to determine if the stock metal is suitable for a particular use case
10:46 AM roycroft: i am happy - the flat bar i got a couple days ago is a36
10:47 AM roycroft: i had considered 1018 cold rolled because it generally as a nicer finish, but the a36 hot rolled looked pretty good
10:48 AM roycroft: and it bends so much better - i made a sample of the brackets i need to make last night and was easily able to cold bend it
10:48 AM roycroft: that will save time, and, more importantly, avoid my having to pull out a torch on a hot summer day
10:49 AM roycroft: i can't get my bender to go more than 88 or so degrees, though, and i need full 90 degree bends
10:49 AM roycroft: i think it's going to 90 degrees and i'm getting a bit of springback
10:50 AM roycroft: but a big vise and a big brass hand sledge gets me the last two degrees without any problems
10:50 AM CloudEvil: solarwind: If you can file it, and it's magnetic, and the edges won't chip off if you hit it with a hammer, you can pretty much use it for anything you'd use mild steel for
11:01 AM JT-Shop: prototype wood hinges https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/hinges/
11:09 AM CloudEvil: It can be perhaps useful to run a thin strip of wood crossways along the edges of the hinge, if not very lightly loaded.
11:09 AM CloudEvil: The wood really wants to split at the hinge pin
11:12 AM JT-Shop: this is a very light door only 1/4" thick but yes the pins are weak
11:13 AM JT-Shop: I had considered making hinges with the grain running with the hinge and gluing them in but didn't get far with that idea
11:25 AM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: hey JT if I do a full-upgrade from debian 10 to 11, will that handle the rtprempt ?
11:26 AM solarwind: CloudEvil unless it's something like 12L14 which can't (shouldn't) be welded
11:26 AM CloudEvil: True
11:26 AM CloudEvil: I am reminded of someone that found a bar of carbon fiber reinforced aluminium or something.
11:27 AM CloudEvil: - real exotic, using the aluminium as a matrix for the composite.
11:27 AM solarwind: But 12L14 is pretty common, I have a few of those for sure
11:27 AM solarwind: You can see the lead creep out of the alloy if you try to TIG weld it
11:28 AM solarwind: Exactly this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge4MhOYKEHs
11:36 AM roycroft: those turned out well, jt-shop
11:36 AM roycroft: if you haven't seen rob cosman's videos about making wooden hinges, check them out
11:36 AM roycroft: but don't bother buying his fancy tools
11:37 AM * roycroft heads out to the shop to make the rest of the brackets
11:50 AM JT-Shop: roycroft, thanks
11:50 AM JT-Shop: I've watch a bit of his hinge video and a few others
11:51 AM JT-Shop: roguish[m], if you do apt full-upgrade you get the generic kernel but it only takes a minute to select the rt kernel and install it via synaptic
11:56 AM JT-Shop: tablesaw blade is soaking... time for a nap
12:04 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: i'm at 10, figured I'd go up to 12, do an upgrade twice...
12:11 PM Tom_L: be slow about going to 12
12:12 PM Tom_L: 12 is bookworm ehh?
12:12 PM Tom_L: i found at least on the rpi that linuxcnc didn't show up in the repository
12:12 PM Tom_L: but it's kindof a different animal
12:14 PM Tom_L: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
12:14 PM Tom_L: 12 doesn't have a release date yet so tread lightly
12:16 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: I'll go to at least 11. not totally sure about 12, yet. doing a good backup now..... before anything else
12:17 PM Tom_L: full system backup would be good advise
12:17 PM Tom_L: or even a spare ssd
12:18 PM Tom_L: also
12:18 PM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
12:18 PM Tom_L: goes from 2.8 on buster to 2.9.xx on the rest
12:18 PM Tom_L: if that matters to you
12:19 PM roguish[m]: yup. already have seen that.... JT's coooooool
12:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just avoid the 5.18 backported kernel to Bullseye
12:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Bullseye being Deb 11
01:09 PM roycroft: it would be interesting to configure a linuxcnc machine to multi-boot, and be able to boot different versions of the os/linuxcnc at will, while sharing a single partition for the data files
01:09 PM roycroft: and not hard to do
01:34 PM * roscogamer[m] uploaded an image: (3241KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/LQhOdsYLIkcGbeowpoEcizfS/20220827_203335.jpg >
01:34 PM roscogamer[m]: Can someone explain this one to me
01:34 PM roscogamer[m]: Why are these 2 so wildly apart
01:35 PM roscogamer[m]: Also the hall latency test has been running for like 20 minutes now
01:35 PM roscogamer[m]: Spend a bunch of time googleing in that time on the lcnc pc
02:48 PM pcw-home: The latency test doesn't actually test running any code so it mainly measures dispatch latency
02:49 PM pcw-home: Ethernet latency is usually much worse (though there are some things that can be done to improve it)
02:49 PM roscogamer[m]: Hmm
02:50 PM pcw-home: If you have a Intel MAC its critical that you disable IRQ coalescing
02:50 PM pcw-home: also 4.x kernels are usually much better than 5.x
02:52 PM JT-Shop2: what's the last debian with 4.x kernel?
02:58 PM roscogamer[m]: No
02:59 PM roscogamer[m]: In downgrading to debian 11 my usbc port can go beat sand
03:04 PM JT-Shop: hmm Debian 10 has 4.19.0-(6-20)-rt-amd64 kernels to pick from
04:08 PM JT-Cave: looks like after debian 10 only 5.x kernels are available
04:13 PM roscogamer[m]: linux-headers-5.18.0-3-rt-amd64
04:13 PM roscogamer[m]: linux-image-5.18.0-3-rt-amd64
04:13 PM roscogamer[m]: im missing this part in the installer tutorial for debian 11 and lcnc
04:13 PM roscogamer[m]: is it not needed there?
04:15 PM * roscogamer[m] uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/WIBcVKtAAJsfHpJUISzVBpoX/unknown.png >
04:15 PM * roscogamer[m] uploaded an image: (33KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/pWkFNebTeXNMjbrYHAvlXwHY/unknown.png >
04:21 PM pcw-home: what PC hardware do you have?
04:28 PM roscogamer[m]: i got a super new usbc controller but i dont care to much about that
04:36 PM roscogamer[m]: like im not to worryd if that doesnt work
04:37 PM roscogamer[m]: the rest is all older hardware
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYjvOmzAGU8
04:41 PM XXCoder: interesting type
04:41 PM XXCoder: I have used claw type but not that
04:42 PM XXCoder: dont know proper name of claw, I only very rarely ran lathe
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: what is a "usbc controller"?
04:42 PM roscogamer[m]: the chip that controlls the usbc port
04:42 PM roscogamer[m]: that one didnt work with debian 11 or 12
04:43 PM roscogamer[m]: and i only got that one to work with 13
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 5.18.0-4-rt-amd64 is a shit kernel on a few systems here
04:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just FYI, the version of Debian and the kernel versions have little to do with each other
04:43 PM roscogamer[m]: yea
04:44 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you can run a 6.x kernel on debian 10 even though they didn't offer one back then
04:44 PM roscogamer[m]: 6x?
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now trying to install is another story
04:44 PM JT-Shop2: gotta backport an older kernel?
04:44 PM JT-Shop2: LOL
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a 6.x kernel
04:45 PM roscogamer[m]: were whould i find set kernal
04:45 PM roscogamer[m]: s/kernal/kernel/
04:45 PM * Tom_L waits for the howto
04:45 PM XXCoder: whats rtai kernel up to anyway
04:45 PM roscogamer[m]: alan waits for the howto
04:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's still at 4.19 for RTAI
04:46 PM * t4nk_fn chuckelingly watches the kids go about
04:46 PM XXCoder: ok
04:48 PM roycroft: well that was impressive
04:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: what issue are you trying to fix?
04:48 PM roycroft: i'm bending some a36 flat bar
04:49 PM roycroft: the 3/16" bar bent like butter and i got perfect bends, although they were a couple degrees shy of 90, which was easy to adjust
04:49 PM roscogamer[m]: the disconecting issue
04:49 PM roscogamer[m]: tryed everything and it was working on a previos version
04:49 PM roscogamer[m]: so i go back to that version
04:50 PM roycroft: but i just put a piece of 1/4" bar in the bender, and it did not bend much at all, other than seriously bending one of the hardened guide pins
04:50 PM roycroft: i guess i found the limit of that bender
04:50 PM roycroft: after i heated it up with a torch it bent like butter in vise, or course
04:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: what is "the disconecting issue"?, prrevious version of what?
04:51 PM * roycroft was trying to avoid having to use the torch
04:51 PM * CaptHindsight[m] is a terrible mind reader
04:52 PM roycroft: it seems the "disconnecting issue" is communication between roscogamer and yourself
04:52 PM Tom_L: go ask your sychic how she does it
04:52 PM roscogamer[m]: i was on debian 11 before with 2.8.3
04:52 PM roscogamer[m]: then i updated to debian 13 and 2.9
04:53 PM roscogamer[m]: so my usb poort whould work
04:53 PM roscogamer[m]: lcnc gave weird errors
04:53 PM Tom_L: so you're treading on unstable ground on both counts
04:53 PM Tom_L: neither of which has been officially released
04:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: debian 11 and what kernel?
04:53 PM roscogamer[m]: now me going back to debian 11 with 2.9
04:53 PM roscogamer[m]: didnt change anything then
04:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: debian 13 and what kernel?
04:54 PM roscogamer[m]: the one in hte tutorial https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
04:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: people get stuck on the Debian version when they should be more aware of the kernel version
04:55 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
04:55 PM roscogamer[m]: what kernal version should i use and how do install set version
04:55 PM roscogamer[m]: s/kernal/kernel/
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this the f*^&%&$$ problem with new hardware and Debian
04:56 PM roscogamer[m]: well
04:56 PM * JT-Shop needs to update his debian 11 to show adding 4.x kernels
04:56 PM JT-Shop: debian 11 tutorial
04:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: "lcnc gave weird errors" have any details?
04:57 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: why do you want the 4.x kernels?
04:57 PM roscogamer[m]: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/927
04:57 PM JT-Shop: they work with mesa ethernet cards
04:57 PM roscogamer[m]: this is for it
04:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: older kernels for older Intel hardware
04:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: new kernels on older Intel hardware is really poor latency
04:58 PM roguish[m]: so, 5.x kernels don't work with mesa ethernet cards???
04:58 PM roscogamer[m]: wait?
04:58 PM JT-Shop: I have very new hardware and 5.18 fails with ethernet
04:58 PM JT-Shop: roguish[m], not as well as 4.x
04:59 PM roscogamer[m]: also 5th gen intel isnt that old
04:59 PM JT-Shop: <pcw-home> If you have a Intel MAC its critical that you disable IRQ coalescing
04:59 PM JT-Shop: <pcw-home> also 4.x kernels are usually much better than 5.x
04:59 PM roscogamer[m]: like its not new but not the oldest
04:59 PM roguish[m]: ah, i'm in the middle of the upgrade now...... but not too new hardware...
04:59 PM JT-Shop: I still run Ubuntu 10 on the CHNC
05:00 PM pere: hope it have no internet connection.
05:00 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: time to update your really cool install instructions.....to add 4.x to debian 11
05:00 PM JT-Shop: it's on my LAN when it's running
05:00 PM JT-Shop: that's what I just said above...
05:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: so you think that you need an older 4.x kernel for the NIC issue but a newer 5.x kernel for the USBC support?
05:01 PM pere: hope your lan is not connected to internet either. :)
05:01 PM JT-Shop: it is :)
05:01 PM roscogamer[m]: yes
05:01 PM roscogamer[m]: tho
05:01 PM roscogamer[m]: i care more about lcnc working then my usb
05:02 PM roscogamer[m]: nice the usb a ports do work
05:02 PM * JT-Shop goes back to the wood working puzzle
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: Buster Debian 11 has 4.19+105rt
05:04 PM roscogamer[m]: mkay
05:04 PM roscogamer[m]: then you can probbly guess
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so that would be the most simple way to get that kernel and LCNC 2.8.x on your system
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: my next question
05:05 PM * CaptHindsight[m] terrible mind reader
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: but
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: my mesa 7i69s is ony suported on 2.9
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: or am i mistaking on that
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ok you can upgrade from 2.8.x to 2.9
05:06 PM roguish[m]: 2.8 to 2.9pre is easy
05:07 PM roscogamer[m]: can i use the premade install
05:07 PM roscogamer[m]: aka the one from the linuxcnc website
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes and no
05:08 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the latest there is LinuxCNC 2.8.2 Debian 10 Buster PREEMPT-RT ISO
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you could start there and then do a bunch of upgrades or......
05:09 PM roguish[m]: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
05:09 PM roscogamer[m]: so that means install debian 11 buster
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: install Buster deb 11 and then install 2.9
05:09 PM roscogamer[m]: and then compile the 2.9
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and grab the 4.19+105rt kernel
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are deb packages for lcnc 2.9
05:10 PM roguish[m]: roscogamer: you do not have to build it. grab the deb from the buildbot
05:10 PM JT-Shop2: roscogamer[m]: right now the 7i96S requires 2.9, hopefully that changes soon to 2.8.4
05:10 PM JT-Shop2: roguish[m]: which deb?
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so, normal Buster install, then 4.19+105rt kernel, then install LCNC 2.9
05:11 PM roscogamer[m]: but i read somewere the build deb is to old?
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ buster master-rtpreempt
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ buster master-rtpreempt
05:12 PM JT-Shop2: the deb in debian repo does not know what a 7i96s is
05:12 PM roscogamer[m]: yea thats what i thought
05:12 PM JT-Shop2: buildbot should work, I have not tried it yet
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/master-rtpreempt/binary-amd64/
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: simple :)
05:14 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
05:14 PM roscogamer[m]: and we sure that works
05:14 PM Tom_L: wonder if the armhf works there
05:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: your problem is having new hardware
05:15 PM roscogamer[m]: new
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Debian considers anything new as unstable or testing
05:15 PM roscogamer[m]: i thought 5th gen would be old enough
05:15 PM t4nk_fn: there he is!
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: your usb controller
05:15 PM roscogamer[m]: ahh that
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: which motherboard is this?
05:16 PM roscogamer[m]: idk
05:16 PM roscogamer[m]: its a nuc
05:16 PM roscogamer[m]: not sure whats in it
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: make and model #
05:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ??
05:17 PM roscogamer[m]: one sec
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: details matter unfortunately or stuff would just do stuff
05:17 PM JT-Shop2: CaptainHindsight: simple IF you know how...
05:18 PM t4nk_fn: acer, how 'you doing, you old wizard, had any luck?
05:18 PM roscogamer[m]: NUC7i3BNK
05:18 PM roscogamer[m]: aperently its 7th gen
05:18 PM roscogamer[m]: so yea thats acctualy pretty new
05:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ha lies!
05:18 PM roscogamer[m]: 😆
05:19 PM roguish[m]: that's not really too new.....
05:19 PM Tom_L: i3
05:19 PM roscogamer[m]: i3
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the only time in recent history that the version of Debian matters is with Buster and Python3 for Linuxcnc 2.9
05:20 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: otherwise it's kernel version for support of hardware
05:21 PM roscogamer[m]: well tbh i just wnt it to work and dont rly care about that usbc
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and version of LCNC for features or in this case some new Mesa cards
05:22 PM roscogamer[m]: i see
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LCNC is a crossing over point for Python and some new mesa cards
05:23 PM roscogamer[m]: so what we do go with the premade one from build dep or compile it myself
05:23 PM Tom_L: preempt-rt 5.18 is no good?
05:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: use the Deb package
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: on some AMD systems here it bites the big one
05:24 PM Tom_L: looking at arm64
05:24 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
05:24 PM Tom_L: looks like you gotta backport to get it for bullseye
05:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: we found AMD wierdness with Debian built kernels like the 5.18 and 5.19
05:25 PM roscogamer[m]: oke nect question witch one
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: slow loading of desktop, desktop locking up, poor latency
05:25 PM roscogamer[m]: thers alot of em
05:25 PM Tom_L: read them
05:25 PM roscogamer[m]: just the latest one?
05:25 PM Tom_L: alot are docs
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but the same kernel versions if we build them are just fine
05:25 PM Tom_L: alot are devel versions
05:25 PM Tom_L: pick the latest non dev one
05:25 PM Tom_L: that will limit the list to one
05:26 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], you must have the magic recipe
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pretty much just avoid Debian :)
05:26 PM roscogamer[m]: xd
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the devs must have mostly Intel hardware
05:27 PM roscogamer[m]: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html so stay with bullseye
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: been this way for so long
05:27 PM roscogamer[m]: or go to buster since thats 10
05:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we tried installing bookworm on a new AMD system, it has all sorts of weird issues with launching apps, desktops, freezing , etc etc
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: LinuxCNC 2.9 NEEDS Bullseye
05:29 PM roscogamer[m]: oke i got that one already installed
05:29 PM Tom_L: the whole pyton3 thing?
05:29 PM roscogamer[m]: but i chould reinstall it
05:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: since it needs Python 3.x
05:29 PM roscogamer[m]: probbly not a bad idea tbh
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah clean install takes what 20 minutes?
05:30 PM roscogamer[m]: some thing like that yea
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: less time than to fix most problems
05:30 PM roscogamer[m]: im doing that
05:30 PM roscogamer[m]: ^^
05:31 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], ever use docker?
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: get thee behind me Satan!!
05:31 PM Tom_L: nuf said
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i hate all that crap
05:32 PM Tom_L: they use that for the daily live builds
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but then again I hate most software since it's not hardware
05:32 PM Tom_L: hate or don't understand?
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no it's pure hate
05:33 PM Tom_L: i'm convinced...
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I believe that some devs should just be flogged
05:33 PM XXCoder: interesting myfordboy video today
05:33 PM Tom_L: that or work for ms
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Ms's?
05:34 PM * CaptHindsight[m] is Mr. Typo
05:34 PM XXCoder: microsoft recently hired genius behind systemd and that audio thing
05:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: where he belongs
05:37 PM roscogamer[m]: welp its installing rn
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: will not fix
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's a feature and not a problem
05:40 PM roscogamer[m]: ?
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: genius behind systemd and pulse audio
05:41 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
05:42 PM XXCoder: im not sure what will happen with those now
05:42 PM * CloudEvil thinks of Steven Elop.
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: maybe someone will fix them?
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: lost/lots
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there were lost of suggestion on doing so
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: easy enough to do things like change from binary format logs to something text
05:46 PM XXCoder: thatb would be awesome
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: remove networking from systemd etc
05:46 PM acer is now known as _unreal_
05:47 PM _unreal_: ok so thats inspiring. I just dry fit my 1.5kw spindle on the new spindle
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CloudEvil: where do they even find these people?
05:48 PM roscogamer[m]: you what
05:48 PM CloudEvil: :/
05:48 PM roscogamer[m]: oke reinstall done
05:48 PM roscogamer[m]: now what
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: look for older kernels, egg sample https://packages.debian.org/buster/linux-image-rt-amd64
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: linux-image-rt-amd64
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: has to be rt
05:50 PM Tom_L: who knows what branch is working on the 7i96 fix for 2.8?
05:51 PM roscogamer[m]: that i look for in the symtic thing right?
05:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: synaptic
05:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: 7i96s ?
05:52 PM Tom_L: yes
05:52 PM Tom_L: i see one called 7i96
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Shop2
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: right now the 7i96S requires 2.9, hopefully that changes soon to 2.8.4
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: jt must know sometin
05:53 PM Tom_L: does anybody ever clean that list out?
05:54 PM roscogamer[m]: in the version area is saying 5.10.136
05:54 PM roscogamer[m]: and thats the only one
05:55 PM Tom_L: also an mesa-7i96
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05:56 PM JT-Shop2: yo
05:56 PM JT-Shop2: yep JT knows something
05:57 PM Tom_L: what branch is working on 7i96s fix?
05:57 PM JT-Shop2: it will be 2.8.4
05:57 PM Tom_L: but it's not yet
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/p7kc8o/what_is_the_best_way_to_install_an_old/
05:57 PM JT-Shop2: right
05:57 PM JT-Shop2: andypugh: said soon :)
05:58 PM Tom_L: he mustuv created a work branch for it
05:58 PM JT-Shop2: I've tested it
05:58 PM JT-Shop2: you can build from that branch and the 7i96s works on 2.8
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: just don't enable any Buster or older repos in Bullseye
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: never mix repos
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are exceptions if you know what you are doing and don't forget to disable them
06:01 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
06:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: also pinning
06:02 PM * JT-Shop2 will add the 2.8 7i96s to debian 10 in the am
06:02 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, what branch is it?
06:02 PM JT-Shop2: the branches won't load for me atm
06:03 PM JT-Shop2: I just get a spinning thingy
06:03 PM Tom_L: that's all i was asking
06:03 PM JT-Shop2: something about 2.8 and mesa iirc
06:03 PM roscogamer[m]: Add buster's repos to your sources.list sint this exactly what your telling me not to do
06:03 PM * JT-Shop2 locks up here and checks in the machine shop
06:03 PM Tom_L: i see a mesa-7i96 one
06:04 PM Tom_L: and a 7i96
06:05 PM Tom_L: is the mesa-configtools yours?
06:07 PM JT-Shop: maybe from a long time ago
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: you can get away with doing that for just the kernel install, nothing else and you have to remove the repos right after you do so
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so update everything first
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sudo apt update
06:07 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, outm_for_2.8
06:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: suda apt upgrade
06:08 PM roscogamer[m]: hmmm
06:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: read the section about pining
06:08 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, mesa-configtools is 17 years old
06:08 PM Tom_L: never woulda guessed that one
06:09 PM JT-Shop: jmkeasunich must have made it
06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: see the comment about enabling and then immediately disabling the repo after kernel install
06:09 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, how do you check when the branch was created?
06:09 PM JT-Shop: you would think we could delete some of the older branchs
06:09 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/mesa-configtools
06:09 PM Tom_L: i was just asking if any body ever cleans house
06:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hasta banana everyone
06:09 PM JT-Shop: nope
06:10 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commits/mesa-configtools
06:10 PM roscogamer[m]: this feels scetchy afngl
06:10 PM Tom_L: no way to tell by git branch or such
06:10 PM JT-Shop: looks like jepler created it 7-24-07
06:10 PM Tom_L: roscogamer[m], it's called livin on the edge
06:10 PM JT-Shop: look at the commits
06:11 PM Tom_L: which one?
06:11 PM JT-Shop: mesa-configtools
06:12 PM JT-Shop: outm_for_2.8 is 4 days old
06:12 PM * JT-Shop calls it a day see you in the am
06:13 PM roscogamer[m]: i just had a thought
06:13 PM roscogamer[m]: the debian 13 uses a higher 5.x kernel version
06:13 PM _unreal_: I thought I heard buzzing
06:13 PM roguish[m]: how do ya down grade python from 3.8 to 3.7
06:13 PM roscogamer[m]: whats the chance this one works
06:13 PM Tom_L: slim
06:13 PM roscogamer[m]: aka the 5.10
06:13 PM Tom_L: or fat
06:14 PM Tom_L: both have a similar meaning
06:16 PM roscogamer[m]: oke imma try that i thingk
06:16 PM roscogamer[m]: s/thingk/think/
06:18 PM roscogamer[m]: Whould I need to compile it tho
06:19 PM roscogamer[m]: Ot whould the precompiled one work?
06:29 PM XXCoder: great joe video today
06:29 PM XXCoder: he makes a part, both by cnc and manual
06:35 PM roscogamer[m]: also
06:35 PM roscogamer[m]: sudo apt install -y devscripts build-essential gdebi git... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/abcd6e4e465058043f83ca09c88cac166592c8c9)
06:35 PM roscogamer[m]: this list should have a ; after each command
06:35 PM roscogamer[m]: makins installing mutch easyer
06:38 PM Tom_L: what's the ';' add to the mix?
06:41 PM roscogamer[m]: auto install
06:41 PM roscogamer[m]: just allows you to copy everything and it will install em one after another
06:43 PM roscogamer[m]: * sudo apt install -y devscripts build-essential gdebi git;... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/dd85f28ffface86dcca6060db92d1b542c6a6877)
06:54 PM roycroft: or you could just make a shell script with all the commands in it
06:55 PM roycroft: i seem to have done ok with the hot bending - everything is square and within 1/16" of desired dimensions
06:55 PM roycroft: now it just has to cool off so i can do final machining and painting
06:56 PM roycroft: the bender is nice because it's very repeatable
06:56 PM roycroft: until the pins bend
06:56 PM roycroft: then its very non-functional
06:59 PM roscogamer[m]: dont break your tools
07:00 PM CloudEvil: Or know how to fix em.
07:01 PM roycroft: it's not a tool
07:01 PM roycroft: it came from harbor freight
07:01 PM roycroft: so it's a kit
07:01 PM roycroft: and i never rebuilt the parts that needed rebuilding on day one
07:01 PM roycroft: now is the time to do that
07:02 PM roycroft: i need to replace the "hardened pins" with hardened pins
07:03 PM roscogamer[m]: lol
07:03 PM roycroft: the goal today, though, as always, is to make parts
07:03 PM roycroft: not to play with tools and tool-like things
07:03 PM roycroft: and i am making the parts, so i shall accomplish the goal
07:04 PM roscogamer[m]: xd
07:04 PM roscogamer[m]: its neat making your own tools
07:07 PM roycroft: i do enjoy making tools and machines
07:07 PM roycroft: and i especially enjoy using the tools and machines that i've made
07:07 PM roscogamer[m]: same
07:08 PM roycroft: that's probably true for almost everyone here
07:17 PM * roycroft reckens the brackets are cool enough now to handle, and heads back out to finish them
07:20 PM roscogamer[m]: xd
07:26 PM roscogamer[m]: # The G-code quick reference html docs are built as... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/86ae808b5e0415e9d81924f1ffc1c2a4622b7e90)
07:26 PM roscogamer[m]: any ideas
07:50 PM Tom_L: build with no docs
07:55 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
08:07 PM Tom_L: debian/configure no-docs iirc
08:11 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
08:12 PM roscogamer[m]: how whould i fix this
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09:05 PM _unreal_: t4nk_fn, so I got my spindle dry fit to the frame
09:20 PM t4nk_fn: can you control it through the esp32 yet?
09:48 PM XXCoder: roycroft: theres early blondhack video, or was it late? hmm
09:50 PM roycroft: it's on time
09:50 PM roycroft: she posts every saturday
09:50 PM XXCoder: oh somehow I thought thursday
09:50 PM XXCoder: it looks good so far
09:51 PM roycroft: it looks like she's ready to start making machining videos again, and not moving videos
09:51 PM * roycroft heads out to shoot paint on his shelving brackets
09:53 PM XXCoder: shoot! whats shelving brackets done to you?
09:53 PM XXCoder: ;)
10:00 PM XXCoder: lathe tuning is interesting
10:09 PM XXCoder: mill one I was familiar with, though I have nevr actually performed that
10:10 PM XXCoder: though I notice she didnt do, or didnt show, head nodding adjustment
10:20 PM roycroft: the sales person at jerry's assured me that the paint i bought is what i wanted
10:20 PM roycroft: i was pretty sure it wasn't
10:20 PM roycroft: i was right
10:20 PM roycroft: the stuff i wanted they did not have
10:21 PM roycroft: paint is also having supply chain issues these days
10:21 PM roycroft: hopefully what i got i can live with, but so far i'm not too happy with it
10:39 PM Tom_L: actually getting a little rain after the longest drought on record
10:40 PM XXCoder: it actually rained here too. very briefly and didnt really wet land but yeah
10:41 PM Tom_L: nice noisy light show with it too
10:41 PM XXCoder: only thing I missed about arkasas? light shows
10:42 PM Tom_L: so from a terminal how would one add a gui?
10:42 PM Tom_L: preferrably mate
10:46 PM Tom_L: nm
10:47 PM XXCoder: sudo apt install mate-desktop or whatever package name it is?
10:47 PM XXCoder: I wasnt sure what you meant by gui lol
10:47 PM Tom_L: yep
11:12 PM XXCoder: roycroft: lol 60 rpm it looks like hes cuting at 0 rpm
11:12 PM XXCoder: gonna love camera/rpm sync
11:21 PM roycroft: well the paint is turning out better than i thought it would
11:21 PM roycroft: i may be able to live with it
11:21 PM roycroft: but it's not what i used to use
11:22 PM XXCoder: well that abom video was good one
11:22 PM roycroft: i'll watch it later on
11:22 PM roycroft: he's finishing up that big shaft, right?
11:23 PM XXCoder: yeah mill ops
11:23 PM XXCoder: im always more interested on mill than lathe