#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 25 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:07 AM Thorhian[m]: That whole bootloader situation seems kind of dumb.
01:06 AM Deejay: moin
02:01 AM randy: morning
02:17 AM pere: hi
04:38 AM XXCoder: new andy video nice
04:39 AM Tom_L: morning
04:41 AM XXCoder: yo
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:22 AM silopolis[m]: CaptHindsight: about SBCs... Remora https://remora-docs.readthedocs.io/ looks interesting!
07:23 AM silopolis[m]: Best option aside hostmot/mesa
07:25 AM silopolis[m]: What do yall tbink?
07:41 AM JT-Cave: I think it's time to start my chicken day
08:50 AM perry_j1987: i should put a coffee pot out at the shop
09:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: silopolis: there are two other projects similar to Remora as well
09:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/42414-linuxcnc-esp32-software-stepping-over-ethernet-using-esp32
09:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/44422-colorcnc-colorlight-5a-75e-5a-75b-as-fpga-controller-board
09:04 AM CaptHindsight[m]: one more https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/39037-linuxcnc-orange-pi-allwincnc
09:55 AM mrec: does anyone use a pneumatic chuck?
10:03 AM perry_j1987: i tried
10:04 AM perry_j1987: tried to buy one but they canceled the sale heh it was mispriced thought i was going to get a killer deal
10:17 AM JT-Cave: my hardinge chnc has a pneumatic chuck
11:13 AM captain_morgan: so I'm having issues getting the PSNG M6 remap to work (throws error for exceeding Z on line 33) and while digging in I've noticed my Z axis setup looks odd, setup so long ago I dont know if there was a good reason.....
11:13 AM captain_morgan: my Z MIX is -6, MAX is 0.01, JOINT SCALE is -4000
11:13 AM captain_morgan: and seems like I might have taken a round-about way to reverse my direction
11:15 AM captain_morgan: s/MIX/MIN
11:25 AM captain_morgan: yyyyeah, this seems to be where I got stuck before, if I invert the pin in hal, the Z just kinda gets stuck, either only being able to go up after home (MIN<MAX) or not move at all (MAX>MIN)
11:48 AM captain_morgan: hrmph, at a loss here, I inverted hal and made SCALE=4000 (instead of -4000) and it's working like expected, except Z0 is now at the top but PSNG still complains when trying to M6
11:53 AM captain_morgan: ah yeah, still not sure what was preventing it before, but now with this setup, changing TOOLSENSOR>Z and CHANGE_POSITION>Z to - got it working
12:19 PM perry_j1987: ok looking through my random drops looking for some alum suitable to make a subplate for this lathe's new gang tooling
12:32 PM Deejay: cya
12:32 PM roscogamer[m]: has this page been updated for the install of the missing packages https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-13-emc.html?
12:33 PM roscogamer[m]: i think it has right?
12:45 PM roscogamer[m]: its updated since lcnc in building rn
12:45 PM roscogamer[m]: sweet
01:10 PM * roscogamer[m] uploaded an image: (7706KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/MgdgVKusFMLZecinfFtfvChd/IMG_20220825_200755.jpg >
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: It has been stuck on this for like 5 minutes now
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: Did I break something?
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: Or is it just a very long line xd
01:10 PM captain_morgan: so I've got the M6 override at least partially working with PSNG, but it still seems to have the default behavior where M6 ends the program with the "Please change to tool ..... then click OK"
01:11 PM roscogamer[m]: or is it just done
01:11 PM captain_morgan: I noticed the sim.axis example has a different dialog, that at least implies it will resume after hitting OK, what's the deal here? How do I get it to continue with the macro after the manual tool change is done?
01:12 PM roscogamer[m]: oop
01:13 PM roscogamer[m]: it going again
01:13 PM roscogamer[m]: just a rly fucking long line i guess
01:53 PM perry_j1987: what does orientation do for you in the tool table for lathe
01:55 PM captain_morgan: im' at such a loss here, not only does M6 stop the program, I basically cannot restart it without reloading the code
01:56 PM captain_morgan: and my brain is completely melted after like 6 hours of reading and rereading docs without getting anywhere
03:07 PM JT-Shop: M6 is tool change, are you using a Tn with it?
03:08 PM JT-Shop: and possibly M6 is waiting for you to acknowledge the tool change it finished if manual tool change is used
03:08 PM captain_morgan: yeah, like M6 T2
03:08 PM JT-Shop: manual tool change?
03:08 PM captain_morgan: yeah
03:08 PM JT-Shop: is the manual tool change popup showing?
03:08 PM JT-Shop: I'm assuming Axis now
03:08 PM captain_morgan: Yes, and ys
03:09 PM JT-Shop: what's the next line after the tool change?
03:10 PM captain_morgan: a G0
03:11 PM captain_morgan: and I suspect you're right about the acknowledgment, I'm not sure what PSNG expects, as it specifically says remove/comment the `net tool-change ...` lines
03:11 PM JT-Shop: PSNG?
03:11 PM captain_morgan: Probe Screen - NG
03:12 PM captain_morgan: yet another fork of probe screen I guess
03:12 PM JT-Shop: fork of probe basic?
03:12 PM captain_morgan: think this is what it was originally forked from https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen_v2
03:13 PM JT-Shop: hmm no I see it's not from probe basic
03:13 PM captain_morgan: https://github.com/linuxcnc-probe-screen/probe-screen-ng
03:14 PM JT-Shop: looks like stale code, no activity in 2 years
03:14 PM JT-Shop: hmm no screen shots
03:15 PM JT-Shop: ah there's a couple
03:15 PM JT-Shop: looks like an axis rework
03:15 PM captain_morgan: its just a tab in axis, dont think it touches anything else
03:25 PM JT-Shop: I see a remap m6 check box and removing the removing the manual toolchange in hal has got to be something to do with your problem
03:28 PM captain_morgan: not sure the deal with the remap in the UI, seems it's done if that's check or not
03:31 PM captain_morgan: unfortunately, i'm outta time to work on this now. I'm going to look more into the hal_manualtoolchange, I really think that's whats going wrong
03:32 PM JT-Shop: just put the tool change back in and see
03:34 PM JT-Shop: I use this on my mill https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v6
03:34 PM captain_morgan: with it in place it hangs waiting, using the hal meter I can see -change go high and I guess that's where it's waiting on -changed to respond
03:34 PM JT-Shop: yep
03:35 PM captain_morgan: every time I've tried another primary UI it either didn't work outright or I couldn't adjust it to my workflow I have with axis
03:35 PM captain_morgan: qtdragon I could never get it to move after homing :/
03:36 PM JT-Shop: that's not good
03:37 PM JT-Shop: actually I'm using this one since changing the monitor https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v7
03:38 PM captain_morgan: might come to finally learning a new UI....
03:38 PM captain_morgan: anyhow, gotta run, will report my findings later
03:57 PM JT-Shop: yippe it's the weekend
03:58 PM XXCoder: yay
04:02 PM JT-Shop: and the sullair compressor is running
04:03 PM * JT-Shop wanders out to the other shop to ponder making wooden hinges
04:24 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/motion-controllers/c10-bidirectional-breakout very nice non-isolated LPT breakout board, it has buffered IO's with jumper selection of pull ups/down
05:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: this board would be even better with optos
05:34 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], any ideas? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/live-build/build.log
05:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/motion-controllers/c79-open-collector-expansion-board version with optos
05:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: P: If the following stage fails, the most likely cause of the problem is with your mirror configuration or a caching proxy.
05:40 PM Tom_L: yeah i saw that
05:40 PM Tom_L: looks like the mirror is working though
05:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: stops at configuring base system, maybe needs more debug output
05:41 PM Tom_L: during the confuring state
05:44 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:45 PM Tom_dev: i did run across this: https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs/-/blob/master/raspi_master.yaml
05:46 PM xxcoder[m]: hmm
05:59 PM captain_morgan: revisiting my M6 remap issue from earlier and I've noticed `iocontrol.0.tool-change` never goes high if I use the recommended hal config from hal_manualtoolchange
06:00 PM captain_morgan: and one of the other mappings is `net tool-prepare-loopback iocontrol.0.tool-prepare => iocontrol.0.tool-prepared`, hal meter shows prepare does go high but prepared doesn't
06:03 PM captain_morgan: though, honestly not sure how the meter should read, as in this care -prepared is being treated like an input
06:06 PM JT-Shop: show hal configuration watch window is easier to view than hal meter
06:07 PM JT-Shop: run the axis sim and watch the pins as you do a tool change... note you won't see tool-changed as it happens too fast
06:08 PM captain_morgan: hrm. also says prepared is false
06:09 PM JT-Shop: you might see prepare/prepared flash pretty quick
06:09 PM captain_morgan: still looking at my stuck job
06:10 PM JT-Shop: sounds like a bug in the add on
06:10 PM JT-Shop: run axis sim to watch the pins
06:13 PM captain_morgan: yea. that looks about right
06:13 PM captain_morgan: also forgot to say, at one point I got both dialogs, the one that just says OK and the prop one that says Continue
06:13 PM Tom_L: is aarch64 arm64?
06:17 PM JT-Shop: no clue Tom_L
06:17 PM Tom_L: seems every day about to quit then something new happens
06:19 PM JT-Shop: I had mesact installing but can't get the ui file to install... makefile hell
06:19 PM Tom_L: it a blast ehh?
06:20 PM roycroft: i have returned from the coast, and it appears i returned too soon
06:20 PM roycroft: it is 15 degrees hotter here than there
06:20 PM roycroft: i want to go back
06:21 PM XXCoder: welcome back
06:21 PM roycroft: thanks
06:21 PM XXCoder: did you see new abom? insane
06:21 PM roycroft: but really, i want to go back :)
06:21 PM roycroft: no
06:21 PM roycroft: i've been camping
06:22 PM roycroft: i have as little to do with the internet as possible while i'm camping
06:22 PM roycroft: i had to check email several times/day because of my election duties, but other than that i stayed offline
06:33 PM captain_morgan: alrigh! got it working
06:34 PM captain_morgan: I ignored the setup recommendation to comment out the default suggested hal_manualtoolchange config, and instead commented out the psng.hal file, which I had not noticed before
06:35 PM captain_morgan: clearly something is wrong with setup, hopefully this change will still allow the edge probing to work
06:36 PM perry_j1987: well that was a frustrating day
06:37 PM perry_j1987: the lathe kept tripping mid cut saying joint error
06:37 PM perry_j1987: it wasnt chattering or anything
06:53 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: @captain_morgan, if you remove the psng.hal file the auto zero and auto rotate leds will not work in the probescreen UI. You can just comment out all of the tool changer stuff in there and leave the auto_rot and set_zero lines.
07:05 PM captain_morgan: i'll have a look at that, at first glace it looked like it was just the tool change nets in there
07:05 PM captain_morgan: but super thrilled I've got this working now, another step closer to installing the touch plate in the bed
07:05 PM captain_morgan: once that's going I'll start tackling the 3d probe, which I'm also really exited about
07:46 PM roycroft: xxcoder: i just heard back from my cc company
07:47 PM roycroft: gst3d claimed they delivered all my filament (including the order they cancelled) and that i did not complain of any defects
07:47 PM roycroft: so now i have to send them the email trail
07:48 PM roycroft: they put the charges back on my account, but sent me some affadavits to sign and return to them
07:48 PM roycroft: they will restore the conditional credits when i return those documents
07:49 PM roycroft: it will be interseting to see if gst3d can provide tracking and delivery information for the cancelled order that they never shipped :)
07:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://gst3d.us/ so avoid them
07:52 PM XXCoder: roycroft: geez!
07:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have shipped thousands of orders of materials and have never had this issue.
07:55 PM XXCoder: credits really suck when they sell crap and you dont want any more of theirs
07:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why they have a written return policy
07:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well you agreed by placing the order
07:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I had no return policy, people would just assume all sorts of things and I never had problems
07:57 PM roycroft: i would not go bankrupt if i end up getting stuck with the charges
07:57 PM roycroft: i fully expect that i'll be refunded for the order they did not ship
07:57 PM roycroft: i think i have my paperwork in order to get a refund on the defective product
07:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: worst problem was actually with UPS and using a customers UPS account number, when they refused to pay UPS, UPS then billed me for the shipping charges 6 months later
07:58 PM roycroft: and at the very beginning of all this they responed telling me not to worry, that they would take care of the problem
07:58 PM roycroft: oh, i have a ups story
07:58 PM roycroft: it will be brief, i promise
07:58 PM roycroft: i have a ups account, but i don't use it for shipping
07:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so then I just asked any customer that wanted to use their own account to send me a shipping label
07:58 PM roycroft: i haven't used it for shipping in many years
07:59 PM roycroft: and i should say that i *had* a ups account
07:59 PM roycroft: about a year and a half ago i got a past due notice from ups on my account
07:59 PM roycroft: since i don't use it for shipping, the cc i had on file with them had expired
08:00 PM roycroft: there was a shipment billed to my account for a parcel that was shipped from a ups distribution center in kentucky to a ups depot in another part of kentucky
08:00 PM roycroft: and it was billed to my account
08:00 PM roycroft: but it seems that it was an internal shipment of some sort
08:00 PM roycroft: after hours of arguing with them about it, they finally removed the charge
08:01 PM roycroft: but they told me there is no way to prevent other people from using my account - all they have to so is figure out the account number and they can use it at will
08:01 PM roycroft: there's no way for me to restrict any charges to shipments directly from me
08:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/nFAsIhU.jpg UPS care and handling
08:02 PM roycroft: the solution to all of this was simple - i told them to close my account and that i would use other couriers if i ever needed to ship stuff
08:02 PM firephoto__ is now known as firephoto_
08:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: photopolymers in Panama sunlight
08:02 PM roycroft: that was not packaged properly
08:03 PM roycroft: i don't blame ups when shippers do not ups-proof their parcels :)
08:03 PM roycroft: we all know what to expect
08:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it sure was, they just loaded a car on top of it
08:03 PM roycroft: so why is anyone surprised when it happens?
08:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: right on top of the sign that said "DO NOT STACK"
08:04 PM roycroft: capthindsight apparently does not know what to expect with ups :)
08:04 PM XXCoder: did it have do not stack soigns on sides too?
08:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: all sides
08:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was insured for double
08:04 PM roycroft: "do not stack" translates in panamanian to "i wonder what will happen if i put a cr on top of this?"
08:04 PM roycroft: car
08:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was the guys in Baltimore
08:05 PM roycroft: s/panamanian/baltimorese/
08:07 PM XXCoder: honestly package handlers is very seriously underpaid
08:07 PM XXCoder: theyre paid enough to work, but they arent paid enough to care
08:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what insurance is for
08:08 PM XXCoder: so, whats you do with those barrels of solid stuff?
08:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: looks like it solidified all over the trailers as well
08:09 PM XXCoder: looks like you can salvage buckets if those stuff can be seperated lol
08:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what do you do when 200 gallons of epoxy get spilled all over a trailer and then hardens?
08:09 PM CloudEvil: Sue.
08:09 PM roycroft: you take it to the landfill
08:10 PM roycroft: and contribute to the amount of uncessary garbage
08:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: burial at sea
08:10 PM roycroft: i kind of do question what the protocol is for stacking cars on top of things
08:11 PM roycroft: one would think that a car-rated crate would be required for stacking a car on top
08:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the pails were 3 high with 1/2 plywood over the top
08:11 PM roycroft: sure
08:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i think the top layer of pails survived
08:12 PM roycroft: and even if they did not say "do not stack", i would somewhat understand of a pallet of paper towels had been stacked on top
08:12 PM roycroft: but a car?
08:12 PM roycroft: there should be rules about what you can put cars on top of on a ship
08:12 PM XXCoder: was it literally a car or just generic heavy thing
08:12 PM roycroft: and i'm sure there aer
08:12 PM roycroft: are
08:13 PM Rab: <roycroft> but they told me there is no way to prevent other people from using my account - all they have to so is figure out the account number and they can use it at will
08:13 PM Rab: I believe FedEx is the same way.
08:13 PM roycroft: that is what ups told me
08:13 PM roycroft: which is why i no longer have an account with them
08:13 PM roycroft: and not only that
08:13 PM roycroft: i did not have an open account
08:13 PM Rab: You'd better not have an account with FedEx either, then.
08:13 PM roycroft: it was a cash account
08:14 PM roycroft: if my cc was invalid they should have declined the shipment
08:14 PM roycroft: i don't think i do
08:14 PM roycroft: it boggles the mind that the shippers don't see a problem with this
08:15 PM XXCoder: i wonder how many companies is paying for people to ship crap
08:15 PM roycroft: i supposed from their point of view, most customers will not detect fradulent shipments and will just pay their bill
08:15 PM roycroft: so the shippers get their money either way
08:16 PM Rhine_Labs: Sup
08:17 PM XXCoder: so simple fix
08:17 PM Rab: I think it's a major use case in b2b industry for the buyer to give the seller their UPS/FedEx number. Any encumbrance would probably upset people, and prompt a move to a competing service with less friction.
08:17 PM XXCoder: add codeword or something
08:20 PM roycroft: you are correct, rab
08:21 PM roycroft: although the reason for that use case is that so many sellers see shipping as a profit center, sometimes their major profit center
08:21 PM roycroft: when you buy something that you know will cost $12 on your ups bill if you provide your shipper number, and the seller wants $59 for shipping, you give them your shipper number
08:23 PM roycroft: even if the seller splits that into a $20 handling fee, which may be a reasonable amount to cover the cost of the shipping container, padding, and labor to pack and prepare the parcel, that still leaves a $39 shipping charge that you can reduce to $12
08:24 PM roycroft: when i was shipping regularly i would mark up my actual shipping and handling cost by 10% to provide a slight profit on that part of the business
08:24 PM roycroft: and 10% was well under my margin for the goods i sold
08:25 PM XXCoder: well 10% can be your handling. packaging and transit to ship
08:26 PM XXCoder: 10% isnt much id be fine also
08:27 PM roycroft: not 10% of the cost of the product
08:27 PM roycroft: i estimated what it actually cost me to prepare and package the product, including labor, and i would calculate the actual shipping cost, add the two together, and add 10% on top of that
08:44 PM XXCoder: roycroft: no I assumed 10% of shipping cost :)
08:44 PM XXCoder: sorry was out cooking dinner
08:44 PM roycroft: well shipping and handling cost
08:45 PM roycroft: if i send you something that costs $12 to ship, i may have to spend $4 on a box, $3 on bubble wrap/other padding, and $3 worth of time packing it up
08:46 PM roycroft: so actual shipping and handling would be $22
08:46 PM roycroft: and i haven't counted the time and expense of printing the label and dropping it off at the shipper, or arranging for a pickup
08:46 PM CloudEvil: And dealing with people bitching it's not $12
09:33 PM roycroft: xxcoder: feel free to share the financial details about gst3d now if you wish, especially where they claim to have delivered an order that they cancelled
09:40 PM XXCoder: yeah
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09:45 PM Hutchinson[m]1: https://t.me/+rRk2pLTli4AzYjk0
09:46 PM XXCoder: spam geez
09:46 PM XXCoder: guys on matrix some admin gonna ban there
09:47 PM XXCoder: @CaptHindsight[m]: whos mods on matrix anyway
09:50 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
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09:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: boot first time, then ban
09:51 PM XXCoder: fun. ok lol was guy banned?
09:52 PM Tom_L: so when they do it from matrix is it useless to kick/ban here?
09:52 PM XXCoder: well those on irc, in case you guys is wondering, its outright scam lol
09:52 PM Tom_L: duh
09:52 PM XXCoder: tom yeah cant do it since you would ban everyone on matrix and indirectly, discord from irc
09:52 PM XXCoder: tom yeah it wasnt targed to you ;)
09:52 PM roycroft: khan!
09:52 PM XXCoder: I already deleted the spam from discord side
09:53 PM XXCoder: irc is immortal lol
09:53 PM Tom_L: so each time i do a build i think it's gonna be the one... maybe this one will be
09:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you see a legit one for earning millions while you sleep and lose weight, let me know
09:53 PM * roycroft is on season 1, episode 22
09:53 PM XXCoder: yeah let me know too.
09:53 PM Tom_L: lose weight while you eat?
09:54 PM roycroft: which i watched in black & white the first time
09:54 PM Tom_L: sitting in the recliner
09:54 PM roycroft: there are billionaires who earn millions while they sleep
09:54 PM Tom_L: once you've seen the b&w it's hard to watch the colorized ones
09:55 PM roycroft: i almost always dislike colorized films
09:55 PM roycroft: but tos was broadcast in color from day one
09:55 PM roycroft: we just didn't get a color tv until season 3
09:55 PM Tom_L: i used to sit and watch the indian when i was a kid
09:55 PM XXCoder: never watched TOS as new shows
09:56 PM Tom_L: not enough material to run 24/7
09:56 PM roycroft: you weren't born then
09:56 PM Tom_L: they sure solved that problem
09:56 PM Tom_L: was so
09:56 PM XXCoder: most of tv shows was basically made up on dialog since its not captioned, or shows with captions
09:56 PM roycroft: i remember when the test patterns came on around 11:00 or midnight
09:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: How I Turned 20 Million in Real Estate into $200 in Cash
09:56 PM XXCoder: I didnt really like captain planet and planetters but it was captioned
09:56 PM Tom_L: yep
09:56 PM roycroft: and on wttw, for about 18 hours/day in the early days
09:57 PM XXCoder: I watched transformers till they cut captions and it got way too boring to watch
09:57 PM Tom_L: this is when i wish i had an 8+core cpu
09:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the days when TV ended around 2:00am
09:58 PM roycroft: capthindsight: by donald j t***p :)
09:58 PM Tom_L: remember the silent ones?
09:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: then it was some early morning Jesus program at 5am
09:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: followed by the farm report
09:59 PM roycroft: saturday mornings were gerat
09:59 PM roycroft: great
09:59 PM roycroft: but sunday mornings were also great
09:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cartoons
09:59 PM XXCoder: im definitely old enough to have seen the pattern and indian on tc
09:59 PM XXCoder: tv
09:59 PM roycroft: first, the rocky and bullwinkle show
09:59 PM roycroft: then flash gordon
09:59 PM Tom_L: my bud used to do the weekend football films for a station
09:59 PM roycroft: then the lone ranger
09:59 PM roycroft: and then the cisco kid
09:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Long Ranger
10:00 PM roycroft: and then not much util the cubs game
10:00 PM roycroft: but after that, there was family classics with frazier thomas
10:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Family Classics Sunday afternoon
10:00 PM roycroft: i remember it coming on at 6pm
10:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 10:30pm Python
10:00 PM roycroft: wait
10:00 PM roycroft: there was another earlier family classics
10:01 PM roycroft: and yeah the day ended with monty python
10:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Saturday Night 10:30 was a movie until SNL started up in the mid 70's
10:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: usually a horror film
10:01 PM roycroft: weekdays startd with the ray raynor show, and then captain kangaroo
10:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: especially on UHF
10:02 PM Tom_L: fake horror?
10:02 PM Tom_L: just like the alien shows
10:02 PM roycroft: that uhf station that ended up carrying the white sox until it went pay tv used to do foreign language shows
10:02 PM roycroft: i forget the call letters
10:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: classic horror, Frankenstein, Dracula, the mummy etc
10:03 PM roycroft: but i do remember that before cable they scrambled their signal and you had to have a decoder box to watch it
10:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: were the White Sox on 32 or 26? oh I think 26 was all spanish
10:04 PM roycroft: 32
10:04 PM roycroft: that's after wgn dropped them
10:04 PM roycroft: the cubs and the white sox used to both be on wgn
10:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I never watched Sox games
10:05 PM roycroft: when both teams played at the same time wgn broadcast the one who was home
10:05 PM roycroft: well my family were white sox fans
10:05 PM roycroft: i was the black sheep of the family
10:06 PM roycroft: which is better than being the black sox, i gues
10:06 PM roycroft: s
10:07 PM roycroft: i picked up some steel today to make some shelf brackets, but it's so bloody hot here i could not bring myself to head out to the fabrication shop to work on it
10:07 PM roycroft: i still want to get back in my car and drive back to the coast to cool off
10:08 PM XXCoder: not good idea anyway, steel may melt with slight additional heta of being cut lol
10:08 PM XXCoder: here its pretty hot but acs is keeping it in control
10:08 PM roycroft: it's 1/4" thick a36 hot rolled
10:08 PM roycroft: and i have to do some 90 degree bends
10:08 PM XXCoder: yea was joking ;)
10:08 PM roycroft: i'm not sure if i need to heat it first
10:09 PM roycroft: but if i have to get out a torch and pre-heat the bend areas, that's not going to be fun
10:09 PM XXCoder: yeah. add more heat
10:09 PM roycroft: if it was 1018 i'd probably crack it trying to bend it cold
10:09 PM Tom_L: i had some T651 alum we tried bending and that didn't work out so well until we annealed around the bend
10:09 PM XXCoder: you might want to make AC suit like that aging wheels guy LOL
10:09 PM roycroft: but i want a "rustic" look, so i don't mind hot rolled
10:10 PM roycroft: my cunning plan is to do it early in the morning, before the heat of the day
10:10 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2nTHYdGSm4 if youre curious
10:10 PM XXCoder: its his first stream so its a mess but yeah ac suit
10:11 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture18.jpg
10:11 PM Tom_L: those
10:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: what are they?
10:12 PM Tom_L: don't have anything here rigid enough to bend steel
10:12 PM XXCoder: I remember that one I think. bending jig
10:12 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], parts for a spray can holder for the logging industry
10:12 PM Tom_L: where they mark trees
10:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: poor trees, minding their own business for 50 years and then one day some guy comes along and sprays you
10:14 PM XXCoder: nothing new. dogs do it too
10:14 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture21.jpg
10:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: next thing you know you are bieng murdered and turned into someones walls or shelves
10:14 PM roycroft: i have a bender like this:
10:14 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EGB6BGA
10:14 PM roycroft: it bends 0.120" flat bar easily
10:15 PM roycroft: 1/4" maybe not so much
10:15 PM roycroft: which is why i may need to pre-heat
10:15 PM Tom_L: is it hardened?
10:15 PM Tom_L: the material, not the tool
10:15 PM roycroft: no
10:15 PM roycroft: it's a36 hot rolled steel
10:16 PM roycroft: not quite buttery, but pretty soft steel
10:16 PM Tom_L: damn... 15% .. gonna be a long night
10:16 PM roycroft: and a36 is not hardenable, at least not to any appreciable degree
10:24 PM XXCoder: roy did you see that ac suit video? lol not asking to watch whole thing, just few seconds to see what im talking about
10:25 PM roycroft: no
10:25 PM XXCoder: link is right below your "rustic" omment
10:25 PM roycroft: i'll check it out for a bit
10:25 PM roycroft: but khan is about to take over the ship, so i might get distracted :)
10:26 PM XXCoder: :)
10:26 PM roycroft: and you know, i don't have a suit like that, but i do have a fresh air respirator
10:27 PM roycroft: i could connect the input to that to an air conditioner
10:27 PM XXCoder: interesting idea
10:28 PM CloudEvil: https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07CXJG3VJ/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_4?smid=&psc=1 I have most of the bits to DIY one of these.
10:29 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd feel good about using a torch with a rosebud top near that marshmallow suit
10:29 PM CloudEvil: Small pump, 2l bottle freezable, with pipe connectors, and a cooling loop
10:29 PM roycroft: i tend to wear cotton and leather when i'm using a torch
10:39 PM XXCoder: defonitely safer with that lol
10:42 PM roycroft: well i hope things work out on ceti alpha v for kahn and his friends
10:42 PM roycroft: it's a nice planet to conquer
10:43 PM roycroft: it's a good thing kirk's a nice guy and did not strand him on ceti alpha vi
10:46 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:46 PM XXCoder: honestly though federation really should have followed up
10:47 PM XXCoder: plus we already have powerful computer prediction and modeling
10:47 PM XXCoder: should have checked for next 100 years or whatever
10:47 PM roycroft: that would have made for a boring film
10:47 PM roycroft: oh, abom is getting another expensive machine
10:47 PM XXCoder: yeah. huge
10:48 PM roycroft: looks like i need a youtube video channel
10:48 PM roycroft: that's the way to make money on the internet
10:48 PM XXCoder: seems so
10:48 PM roycroft: unless you're young and cute
10:48 PM roycroft: in which case, tik tok
10:48 PM XXCoder: bleh
10:50 PM roycroft: that has to be a half million dollar machine, no?
10:50 PM XXCoder: easily
10:50 PM XXCoder: it looks very very heavy duty
10:51 PM XXCoder: I ran a giant router before, big enough to park my car on bed
10:51 PM XXCoder: but it was 150k only because it arent heavy duty like that one
10:52 PM XXCoder: spindle was 1 HP if I remember right. it kept getting overheated lol it sucked
10:52 PM XXCoder: and its 150k
10:54 PM roycroft: my cat is so miserable
10:54 PM roycroft: she is part maine coon, so she has really long fur
10:54 PM roycroft: and she's absolutely baking
10:55 PM roycroft: i almost want to drop her in the chest freezer for a few minutes to cool her off
10:55 PM XXCoder: try swim pool see if willing to cool off in it?
10:55 PM roycroft: she's a cat
10:55 PM XXCoder: not large just enough. ice water
10:55 PM roycroft: i already know the answer
10:56 PM XXCoder: ice water to cool off by drinking?
10:56 PM roycroft: she would try to jump out before she ever touched the water
10:56 PM roycroft: i do stick ice cubes in her water dish when it's this hot
10:56 PM roycroft: but she thinks that's werid
10:56 PM roycroft: weird
10:58 PM XXCoder: no air conditioned room?
10:58 PM roycroft: my office is, but the ac was off while i was gone
10:58 PM roycroft: it's on now, but the cat doesn't like to hang out there unless i'm there
10:58 PM roycroft: and right now i'm in my living room
11:00 PM XXCoder: cat ac suit? ;)
11:00 PM XXCoder: sucks though
11:00 PM roycroft: maybe she just needs a full body shave
11:00 PM XXCoder: not shave, buzz cut?
11:01 PM roycroft: or at least a crew cut
11:03 PM roycroft: abom's new shop is looking pretty small now
11:03 PM XXCoder: yeah many giant stuff
11:36 PM XXCoder: roycroft: best I can think of is "cool plate"
11:37 PM XXCoder: just pump some of ac into plate with lots small holes
11:38 PM mrec: for some reason I do not like G92...
11:38 PM mrec: G92 X45.175 results in an offset of ~35mm
11:40 PM mrec: this command makes me angry... it just messed up my s15c plate