#linuxcnc Logs
Aug 21 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:07 AM CloudEvil: Interesting
02:33 AM Deejay: moin
02:43 AM mrec: thorhian[m]1: also take care about obstacles :-)
02:46 AM mrec: freecad would have a problem to clear following: https://i.snipboard.io/BgExKu.jpg
02:47 AM mrec: this all requires some more studying of opencascade to make it more efficient
03:39 AM Tom_L: pere, so armhf should be able to be built on say amd64 etc
03:41 AM pere: Tom_L: yes, using a qemu trick.
03:42 AM pere: basicly telling linux to run all arm binaries using qemu
03:42 AM Tom_L: that would be cool
03:52 AM pere: Tom_L: sadly I could not find a recipe, so one would have to figure out how to use it by testing and reading the code. lack time and disk space to do that at the moment.
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04:00 AM Tom_L: doesn't look like arm platform is a huge priority atm anyway but it could become so in the future
05:24 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:48 AM toluene9 is now known as toluene
07:01 AM roscogamer[m]: oke me back again
07:01 AM roscogamer[m]: i just started lcnc and noticed a error
07:01 AM roscogamer[m]: firmware contains unknown function gtag-45
07:02 AM roscogamer[m]: is that cus im using a mesa 7i96s
07:02 AM roscogamer[m]: * mesa 7i96s?
07:05 AM JT-Cave: I've not seen that before what version of linuxcnc?
07:06 AM roscogamer[m]: the newer one
07:06 AM roscogamer[m]: 2.8.3
07:07 AM JT-Cave: aye you need 2.9
07:07 AM roscogamer[m]: is that avalibe yet
07:07 AM roscogamer[m]: i thought it wasnt?
07:07 AM JT-Cave: I've been running 2.9 for a year or more
07:07 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
07:08 AM JT-Cave: step by step install instructions
07:08 AM roscogamer[m]: wait wut
07:08 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/mesa/mesact/index.html
07:08 AM roscogamer[m]: this a diverent page tho
07:08 AM JT-Cave: mesa configuration tool and more
07:08 AM roscogamer[m]: https://www.linuxcnc.org/
07:09 AM roscogamer[m]: thats were i got my install
07:09 AM roscogamer[m]: and then updated to 2.8.3 via comand line
07:10 AM roscogamer[m]: can update to 2.9 via comand line
07:10 AM roscogamer[m]: or do i need to do a install via a usb
07:12 AM JT-Cave: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
07:13 AM JT-Cave: you would need to change the packages list
07:13 AM JT-Cave: the only problem is the deb is too old to know what a 7i96s is...
07:15 AM roscogamer[m]: oh so thats what the update is for
07:15 AM roscogamer[m]: i thought it was a update to 2.9
07:15 AM roscogamer[m]: instead of a adition to it
07:15 AM JT-Cave: what are you talking about?
07:16 AM roscogamer[m]: there was talk in here that they were working on 2.9
07:16 AM roscogamer[m]: to have it reconize the 7i69s
07:16 AM JT-Cave: they have been working on 2.9 for a few years
07:16 AM roscogamer[m]: wait
07:17 AM roscogamer[m]: so this is a beta of sorts then
07:17 AM JT-Cave: The 7i96S requires LinuxCNC Uspace 2.9 Febuary 24, 2022 or newer!
07:17 AM JT-Cave: I've been running 2.9 for over a year...
07:18 AM roscogamer[m]: hmm
07:18 AM roscogamer[m]: mkay
07:18 AM roscogamer[m]: can i update the via the command line
07:18 AM roscogamer[m]: or do i need to make a install usb
07:25 AM perry_j1987: morning
07:25 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: Afternoon!
07:25 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * Afternoon! ;)
07:25 AM roscogamer[m]: morning
07:27 AM JT-Cave: roscogamer[m], what does cat /etc/debian_version say on your pc?
07:28 AM roscogamer[m]: is that a file or a folder?
07:28 AM JT-Cave: file
07:28 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: does anybody know how to fix X11 forwarding error while running Machinekit/LinuxCNC over ssh?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/53932a8ed345ad5f15c7fb7beb272c64a4e2f466)
07:28 AM JT-Cave: just run that in a terminal
07:29 AM roscogamer[m]: 10.12
07:29 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: > <@propcoder:matrix.org> does anybody know how to fix X11 forwarding error while running Machinekit/LinuxCNC over ssh?... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/5bfbae8d9d800f68acf84970aaa18d2cfa06b2dd)
07:30 AM JT-Cave: you need debian 11 or newer for linuxcnc 2.9 because it uses python 3
07:30 AM JT-Cave: I recommend debian 12
07:30 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: * This can be related to wayland or some specifics in Linux Mint Debian Edition.
07:30 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: I am having hard time with this.
07:30 AM MariusAlksnys[m]: It was great when it worked earlier on my Debian systems
07:30 AM roscogamer[m]: so that means usb install
07:30 AM roscogamer[m]: im guessing
07:30 AM JT-Cave: aye
07:31 AM roscogamer[m]: thats mildly annoying
07:31 AM JT-Cave: did you visit the first link I posted
07:31 AM roscogamer[m]: ye
07:32 AM roscogamer[m]: do i need the ethernet one or the no ethernet one
07:34 AM JT-Cave: if you mean on my page the Mesa Ehternet Cards yes you have to do that after installing Debian and LinuxCNC
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07:34 AM roscogamer[m]: oh its 2 diferent installs
07:34 AM roscogamer[m]: so first debian 13
07:34 AM roscogamer[m]: then debian 13 ethernet
07:34 AM JT-Cave: you start at the top of the page and install Debian first
07:35 AM roscogamer[m]: ahh
07:35 AM JT-Cave: debian 12 or 13, on this pc I had to use debian 13 because my video card is not known by older versions
07:35 AM roscogamer[m]: then the version i pick i take all the once below with the same version number?
07:35 AM JT-Cave: yup
07:36 AM JT-Cave: maybe I should change the layout for that page...
07:36 AM roscogamer[m]: im using a nuc does that change anything
07:36 AM roscogamer[m]: ye its nida confusing
07:36 AM JT-Cave: what is a nuc?
07:37 AM roscogamer[m]: id do it like this... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1e6318a83e5de40553015814d2653dad684cba37)
07:37 AM roscogamer[m]: * id do it like this... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/f4b1e489e69e6d4d3f713737dbb2a46d6545854c)
07:37 AM roscogamer[m]: that makes it so you can just take everything under the collom 13 for a lcnc install using debian 13
07:41 AM roscogamer[m]: small pc from intel
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07:42 AM roscogamer[m]: bit more modern is myne but thats a nuc
07:42 AM roscogamer[m]: aka
07:42 AM roscogamer[m]: Next Unit of Computing
07:45 AM roscogamer[m]: does the website so this on the pc itself
07:45 AM roscogamer[m]: like update via comand line?
07:46 AM roscogamer[m]: oh wait
07:46 AM roscogamer[m]: its making a usb
07:49 AM JT-Cave: neat little thin
07:49 AM JT-Cave: g
07:49 AM * JT-Cave goes to take care of the hens
07:49 AM roscogamer[m]: mhm
07:49 AM roscogamer[m]: hens
07:49 AM roscogamer[m]: chinkens?
07:49 AM roscogamer[m]: * chickens?
07:54 AM JT-Cave: yup chickens
07:54 AM roscogamer[m]: neat
07:54 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/
07:56 AM * CloudEvil wonders how you flash a chicken.
07:58 AM perry_j1987: CloudEvil prob illegal to do that in some states
08:00 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, does this page look more organized now? https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
08:00 AM roscogamer[m]: witch version do i want
08:00 AM roscogamer[m]: ye i dig
08:01 AM JT-Cave: I'd use 12 unless you have such new hardware that only 13 works
08:01 AM JT-Cave: bbl
08:01 AM roscogamer[m]: anyway the install of plain debian it has a link to get 11.4 and that puts me on this page
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08:02 AM roscogamer[m]: witch i pick tho
08:07 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i might have left all the installs grouped together like you originally had it, just adding the silly names beside debian but either way works
08:08 AM Tom_L: it might seem the 'Install LinuxCNC' & 'Mesa Ethernet Cards' are all the same
08:08 AM Tom_L: for the most part they are..
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08:09 AM roscogamer[m]: went for this one cus standart
08:10 AM roscogamer[m]: standart usualy good
08:10 AM roscogamer[m]: :ye:
08:10 AM Tom_L: standard + nonfree content
08:10 AM Tom_L: is what you want
08:10 AM Tom_L: iso
08:15 AM roscogamer[m]: so iso and put that on usb right
08:15 AM roscogamer[m]: then boot of usb and install the stuff
08:15 AM Tom_L: yup
08:16 AM roscogamer[m]: cool cool
08:16 AM roscogamer[m]: were is my ruffus
08:16 AM Tom_L: you can use that dd command if you're on linux
08:17 AM Tom_L: just pay attention to which device is which
08:17 AM roscogamer[m]: dd?
08:17 AM roscogamer[m]: i already douwn loaded it on my pc
08:17 AM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-12.html
08:17 AM Tom_L: to copy the iso to the usb stick
08:17 AM roscogamer[m]: ohh
08:18 AM Tom_L: rufus should work
08:18 AM roscogamer[m]: yea my pc was right next to me
08:18 AM roscogamer[m]: so i just used that one
08:18 AM roscogamer[m]: force of habbit
08:18 AM roscogamer[m]: * force of habit
08:19 AM roscogamer[m]: since the only other linux servers i have use cml
08:24 AM JT-Cave: I should put something for windblows users I guess...
08:36 AM roscogamer[m]: is it correct it doesnt have a ui
08:36 AM roscogamer[m]: or did i install it wrong
08:38 AM Tom_L: should have
08:38 AM roscogamer[m]: hmm
08:39 AM roscogamer[m]: guess did something wrong
08:39 AM roscogamer[m]: cus i get command line
08:39 AM Tom_L: live may not...
08:39 AM roscogamer[m]: live meaning?
08:39 AM roscogamer[m]: the one that lives ong the usb
08:40 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
08:40 AM JT-Cave: added a bit of info
08:40 AM JT-Cave: prob picked the wrong iso, use the link for mate
08:40 AM Tom_L: <- noob... what's a deb?
08:41 AM roscogamer[m]: so mate+non free.iso?
08:41 AM Tom_L: sounds right
08:41 AM roscogamer[m]: mkay
08:41 AM Tom_L: i did that once too :)
08:43 AM Tom_L: break up that last sentence a little
08:43 AM Tom_L: maybe
08:43 AM roscogamer[m]: luckely i got a fast internet conection and a fast usb so burning a ned drive is fast
08:43 AM Tom_L: 250gb?
08:43 AM Tom_L: :)
08:44 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
08:44 AM JT-Cave: what's a deb added
08:44 AM roscogamer[m]: ?
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: i assume you mean the flash drive with that
08:45 AM JT-Cave: hmm yep it's a run on sentence :)
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: https://www.amazon.de/-/nl/dp/B01MU8TZRV/ref=sr_1_6?__mk_nl_NL=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=2SGYUO3W910L9&keywords=300mbs+usb&qid=1661089506&sprefix=300mbs+usb%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-6
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: its that usb
08:46 AM roscogamer[m]: 300 ish mb/s write
08:46 AM Tom_L: are german cookies better than merican?
08:46 AM Tom_L: i had to eat some cookies first
08:46 AM roscogamer[m]: ye
08:46 AM roscogamer[m]: they taste better
08:49 AM roscogamer[m]: its a nice usb
08:49 AM roscogamer[m]: pretty cheap aswell
08:50 AM Tom_L: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HFQQ71F?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
08:51 AM Tom_L: i got some of those to use with micro sd
08:51 AM roscogamer[m]: neat
08:51 AM Tom_L: led blinky to let you know
08:52 AM roscogamer[m]: me like blinky led
08:53 AM roscogamer[m]: same go's for harddrive status lights
09:07 AM roscogamer[m]: seems like its working now
09:07 AM roscogamer[m]: install took alot longer
09:07 AM roscogamer[m]: ahh yep
09:08 AM roscogamer[m]: oke neat
09:08 AM roscogamer[m]: cnc
09:12 AM roscogamer[m]: for the debian 13 tweeks its giving me a 404 error
09:14 AM roscogamer[m]: do i just skip that then
09:14 AM Tom_L: he just re'arranged his menu and may have missed a link
09:14 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, ***
09:15 AM JT-Cave: odd works here
09:15 AM roscogamer[m]: hmm
09:16 AM roscogamer[m]: i mean link that is on that page
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09:17 AM roscogamer[m]: like that link
09:17 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-13-fix.html
09:18 AM roscogamer[m]: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11-fix.html/ its linking to this
09:18 AM JT-Cave: ah the link on that page
09:19 AM roscogamer[m]: yea, should probbly have been a bit more clear
09:21 AM JT-Cave: hmm sphinx does something funny with a trailing /
09:22 AM roscogamer[m]: can i skip that step for now?
09:25 AM JT-Cave: link is fixed
09:25 AM JT-Cave: that's up to you
09:49 AM * JT-Shop punches in and makes a few parts for the ever changing Whirlpool assembly machine
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09:50 AM roscogamer[m]: were do i find that
09:50 AM JT-Shop: the file?
09:51 AM roscogamer[m]: ye
09:51 AM JT-Shop: check Show Hidden in the file manager and it's in your home directory
09:56 AM roscogamer[m]: can i paste this anyware?
10:02 AM thorhian[m]1: <mrec> "thorhian: also take care about..." <- Yeah, my methodology should make it fairly easy to handle obstacle meshes.
10:07 AM JT-Cave: roscogamer[m], refresh https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11-fix.html
10:08 AM JT-Cave: usually I paste at the end of bashrc but never between if fi
10:08 AM roscogamer[m]: ahh oke
10:10 AM JT-Shop: sometimes I get in a rush and forget to show things that are obvious to me only but not someone new to debian thanks for pointing that out
10:11 AM JT-Shop: wow my 10x10x10 cube it very close to 10mm in all directions
10:15 AM CloudEvil: Across the points too?
10:20 AM roscogamer[m]: its fine
10:20 AM roscogamer[m]: im just not used toi interface linux
10:20 AM roscogamer[m]: on another note
10:21 AM roscogamer[m]: on the webpage it says search for the following packages
10:21 AM roscogamer[m]: only i cant find those
10:22 AM JT-Shop: which page, which package?
10:22 AM roscogamer[m]: like i can only find linux image 5.10.0 yet on the web page it says 5.18.0
10:22 AM roscogamer[m]: those
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10:25 AM JT-Shop: you must have skipped installing Debian 13
10:26 AM roscogamer[m]: no?
10:26 AM JT-Shop: yep
10:26 AM roscogamer[m]: but i followed the steps on the wep pages
10:26 AM JT-Shop: you skipped a step for sure
10:27 AM roscogamer[m]: were whould that step be then
10:27 AM roscogamer[m]: must have looked it over
10:27 AM JT-Shop: the bottom of https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-13.html
10:27 AM roscogamer[m]: oh
10:28 AM roscogamer[m]: well i indeed missed that
10:28 AM JT-Shop: oh no I have the wrong info
10:28 AM JT-Shop: that should be Trixie
10:29 AM JT-Shop: because they changed it from sid to trixie
10:29 AM JT-Shop: and I missed updating...
10:30 AM roguish[m]: why ya messing around with SID ??
10:31 AM roguish[m]: hey, i've go all 3 motors on my new digital drives working. hooked up on the mill. tuning time.....
10:31 AM JT-Cave: because nothing else works with my video card
10:31 AM roguish[m]: that seems odd....
10:33 AM roscogamer[m]: theres more then one line in this fine
10:34 AM roscogamer[m]: aka the sourses list do i just get rid of the rest
10:37 AM JT-Cave: anyway that's why I recommended debian 12
10:38 AM roscogamer[m]: i mean i dont wanna install it twice
10:39 AM roscogamer[m]: so id much rather just go for the most uptodate one
10:42 AM JT-Cave: using unstable does have some risk but in any case I've updated this page https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-13.html.
10:42 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-13.html
10:42 AM JT-Cave: well with debian 12 all I could get was 600 x 800 or something like that
10:42 AM * JT-Cave goes back to making chips
10:43 AM roscogamer[m]: oke i eddited the file
10:44 AM roscogamer[m]: apt update get like 1800 pakages that need a update
10:45 AM roscogamer[m]: then i run the
10:45 AM roscogamer[m]: sudo apt full-upgrade and then it says dpkg lock is being held
10:45 AM roscogamer[m]: nvm
10:45 AM roscogamer[m]: im dum dum
10:46 AM roscogamer[m]: oke it working
10:53 AM miss0r2: 'evening
10:53 AM JT-Shop: yo
10:57 AM * roycroft hopes roscogamer has a good backup of the old system
11:01 AM roscogamer[m]: hehe
11:01 AM roscogamer[m]: i have a backup of the ini and hal files
11:01 AM roscogamer[m]: other then that
11:01 AM roscogamer[m]: i do not
11:01 AM roscogamer[m]: no
11:07 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, page looks better
11:07 AM Tom_L: get all the links sorted?
11:08 AM JT-Shop: I think so, sphinx does something funny with a trailing / on a link
11:09 AM JT-Shop: so if you copy the link from firefox it adds a trailing /
11:18 AM roscogamer[m]: Oké so it finished now I assume I need to reboot
11:18 AM Tom_L: it's not windows ya know
11:18 AM roscogamer[m]: Or does it already run 13 now
11:18 AM Tom_L: uname -a in a terminal
11:18 AM Tom_L: or cat /etc/debian_version
11:24 AM JT-Shop: I'd reboot because some of the things don't work until you do
11:55 AM roscogamer[m]: its saying bookworm/sid
11:56 AM roscogamer[m]: is that good?
11:58 AM JT-Cave: yep that's debian 13
11:59 AM JT-Cave: hmm actually that's 12
11:59 AM JT-Cave: so I think the file has not been upgraded to say Trixie/sid or something like that
12:00 PM roscogamer[m]: ohh so the update was succesfull
12:00 PM roscogamer[m]: neat
12:01 PM JT-Cave: I just installed here a couple of weeks ago and 498 packages can be upgraded today
12:01 PM JT-Cave: but that's unstable for you
12:04 PM * JT-Cave takes a nap
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12:57 PM roscogamer[m]: so i am in the correct kernel only the directory /emc no exist
01:01 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:05 PM JT-Shop: did you clone into emc?
01:05 PM roscogamer[m]: i cant find the directory to clone it to
01:06 PM roscogamer[m]: or do i need to make that one
01:06 PM JT-Shop: git clone creates a directory if you append the name
01:07 PM JT-Shop: git clone https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc.git emc
01:07 PM JT-Shop: or you can do git clone https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc.git fred
01:07 PM JT-Shop: pen a terminal (Ctrl Alt t) to build and install LinuxCNC clone into the ~/emc directory.
01:07 PM JT-Shop: is that the line that confused you?
01:08 PM roscogamer[m]: that command so work?
01:08 PM roscogamer[m]: ye
01:08 PM roscogamer[m]: it is
01:09 PM JT-Shop: ok, I'll fix that instruction
01:09 PM JT-Shop: git clone https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc.git emc
01:09 PM JT-Shop: will create the emc directory
01:09 PM roscogamer[m]: it working
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: sorry that im such a dum dum
01:10 PM JT-Shop: no, you help my instructions work for everyone
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: ill take that as a compliment
01:10 PM roscogamer[m]: lol
01:11 PM roscogamer[m]: and now i run the command thats in the yellow box
01:11 PM roscogamer[m]: and that builds and does everythign for me
01:12 PM JT-Shop: open a terminal with Ctrl Alt t
01:12 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
01:12 PM roscogamer[m]: oke terminal opend
01:13 PM JT-Shop: just copy and paste each line into the terminal one at a time
01:13 PM roscogamer[m]: mkay will do
01:13 PM roscogamer[m]: will report back in a sec
01:18 PM perry_j1987: what do you guys think of this https://amzn.to/3c5deLb
01:18 PM perry_j1987: i really want to get something to test these threads on the lathe
01:20 PM Rab: perry_j1987, I don't think that substitutes for an actual go/nogo thread gage, if that's what you mean.
01:20 PM perry_j1987: ya
01:21 PM perry_j1987: i'll prob just get this 100 dollar set of go nogo gauges i guess
01:21 PM Rab: If you're just looking for something to compare for hobby "works, ship it" purposes, why not?
01:22 PM roscogamer[m]: at dpkg check build deps
01:22 PM roscogamer[m]: its giving a error
01:22 PM Rab: But for that case I'd try against the actual fasteners I was threading for.
01:23 PM perry_j1987: i want to shoot for standard threads of course lol
01:23 PM roscogamer[m]: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies: libudev-dev python3-tk asciidoc (>= 8.5) dblatex (>= 0.2.12) docbook-xsl source-highlight w3c-linkchecker xsltproc texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils texlive-fonts-recommended texlive-lang-european texlive-latex-recommended asciidoc-dblatex texlive-xetex
01:24 PM roscogamer[m]: thats the error its giving me
01:28 PM JT-Cave: did you do each install line one at a time?
01:29 PM JT-Cave: hmm I might be missing some dependencies
01:29 PM JT-Cave: btw that's not an error it just informs you of missing dependencies
01:30 PM JT-Cave: even though it says error lol
01:33 PM roscogamer[m]: ye
01:33 PM roscogamer[m]: oh
01:33 PM JT-Cave: source-highlight w3c-linkchecker are in the list of installs
01:33 PM JT-Cave: sudo apt install -y source-highlight w3c-linkchecker texlive-font-utils
01:33 PM roscogamer[m]: do we need set dependencies
01:33 PM JT-Cave: so you skipped that line
01:34 PM roscogamer[m]: can i still do that
01:34 PM JT-Cave: yes, where are you located at? I've never seen texlive-lang-european before
01:34 PM roscogamer[m]: netherlands
01:36 PM JT-Cave: I must have missed an install line
01:36 PM JT-Cave: I'll have to do my install over again in the morning
01:37 PM roscogamer[m]: di i also need to install that
01:38 PM JT-Shop: you will need to install any packages dpkg-checkbuilddeps says are missing
01:38 PM roscogamer[m]: mkay
01:38 PM roscogamer[m]: can do
01:39 PM roscogamer[m]: can i use sudo apt f for that
01:39 PM roscogamer[m]: that should get any missing once right?
01:40 PM JT-Shop: that only works for a deb I think
01:40 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt install
01:40 PM roscogamer[m]: that did indeed not work
01:41 PM roscogamer[m]: rip
01:47 PM roscogamer[m]: how do i install these depencencies
01:47 PM roscogamer[m]: sudo apt and the the thing
01:47 PM JT-Shop: what is that?
01:48 PM roscogamer[m]: like sudo apt get
01:48 PM JT-Shop: get is not an option for apt
01:49 PM roscogamer[m]: oh on ubuntu it is
01:49 PM roycroft: apt satisfy may help in some circumstances
01:49 PM roycroft: it will let you declare that some dependencies are satisfied, even if they are not
01:49 PM JT-Shop: he needs to install them
01:50 PM roycroft: apt show will list all the dependencies for a package, which may be useful in determining what is needed
01:50 PM roscogamer[m]: apernently sudo dpkg -i (dep name) should work
01:50 PM roscogamer[m]: hmm
01:50 PM roycroft: and "get" is not an apt command - jt-shop is correct
01:50 PM roscogamer[m]: imma go try some stuff ill report back
01:50 PM roycroft: you may be mistaking "apt get" for "apt-get"
01:51 PM roscogamer[m]: ahh ye
01:52 PM roycroft: having so many different interfaces for managing deb packages can be very confusing
01:53 PM roycroft: i wish there would just be one
01:53 PM roscogamer[m]: same
01:53 PM roycroft: but linux likes to be inclusive to an extreme degree
01:53 PM roycroft: except for the things it doesn't like
01:53 PM roycroft: in which case it's exclusive to an extreme degree
01:54 PM roycroft: i think the point is that zealotry is required to be a true linux geek, and the type of zealotry is irrelevant, as long as it is extreme :)
01:54 PM Rab: I came across some github dep instructions that called for aptitude...it's not even installed here.
01:55 PM Rab: apt, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg
01:56 PM roycroft: apt -y install aptitude :)
01:56 PM roycroft: talk about convoluted crap
01:57 PM * CaptHindsight[m] uploaded an image: (1696KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MUthwLGYTQyjyZDJrhCjZOoz/UGT-PCE20PL-p00.jpg >
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: will test later today
01:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Vantec 2-Port Parallel PCIe Host Card (UGT-PCE20PL)
01:58 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], did it come with everything for the second parport?
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: yes, including a pair of low profile holders
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EA0WKDG/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00
01:59 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], classy.
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Vantec tech support in Ca got back to me within minutes
02:00 PM Rab: What support did you need?
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I could not find even one clear picture of the board
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and no mention of what part numbers are used
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mystery board
02:01 PM roscogamer[m]: oke i cant get it to install the dependencies
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so first clear picture ^^
02:02 PM Rab: Is that their picture, or yours?
02:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mine
02:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 8-9 year old date codes
02:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: I just wanted to know the part numbers before I ordered. They don't even mention them on their data sheet for the board.
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: can't find a datsheet for the ASM1083
02:07 PM roscogamer[m]: yea i got no idea how to install this stuff
02:07 PM roscogamer[m]: any help whould be apriciated
02:07 PM roscogamer[m]: rn imma go get some food
02:07 PM roscogamer[m]: brb
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02:08 PM perry_j1987: thinking of turning one of these 12mm er16 straight shaft collet holders into a small spindle
02:09 PM perry_j1987: add to the gang tooling for cross drilling this part i got
02:14 PM Rab: perry_j1987, if you use 12mm ID bearings you might not have to turn anything.
02:15 PM Rab: I made an ER11 spindle from an 8mm tool holder and 608 bearings were a press fit onto the shaft.
02:17 PM Rab: E.g. 6001
02:18 PM perry_j1987: ya thats what i was thinking
02:18 PM perry_j1987: i'll just have to put a thread on the end of it
02:19 PM perry_j1987: or make the spindle cartridge long enough to just tap the end of the holder and throw a bolt and washer type thing on the end to preload the bearings or something
02:23 PM perry_j1987: ok how do i set up this gang tooling better
02:23 PM perry_j1987: i'd love to be able to just touch off tool 1 and the rest of the tools fall in line with their offsets etc
02:31 PM Tom_dev: touch off tool 1 and zero it, and zero the work z zero
02:32 PM Tom_dev: then touch off the rest of the tools
02:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: anyone recall the limit of LCNC for the number of max LPT ports?
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02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Vantec 2-Port Parallel PCIe Host Card (UGT-PCE20PL) works with LCNC, did not try stepconf or JT's tool yet
02:56 PM Tom_L: 8
02:56 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_parallel_port.html
02:57 PM Tom_L: The parport driver can control up to 8 ports (defined by MAX_PORTS in hal_parport.c). The ports are numbered starting at zero.
02:58 PM Tom_L: dunno how accurate that is
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah the docs!
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🎊
03:03 PM Tom_L: dammit
03:03 PM Tom_L: image file requires a login and don't tell what it is
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03:04 PM Tom_shop: https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/
03:04 PM Tom_L: i dunno what rpi default was either
03:11 PM JT-Shop: pi raspberry
03:11 PM roguish[m]: nap time over?
03:12 PM Tom_L: turns out it was root with no password
03:18 PM JT-Shop: long time ago
03:28 PM Tom_L: this is debian though
03:28 PM Tom_L: bookworm/sid
03:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: will RPI4 LCNC users be able to copy and ISO to a SD-card and then run some scripts or do they need everything pretty much up to date on a single ISO?
03:34 PM Tom_L: ready to go
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: where to host such a thing?
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is there room at https://www.linuxcnc.org/downloads/ ?
03:35 PM Tom_L: you _can_ install things after the fact but the ones i've tried have been a full ready to go image
03:35 PM Tom_L: i've no idea
03:35 PM JT-Shop: I don't know where /downloads is...
03:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and to whom should I address such a request?
03:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/
03:36 PM Tom_L: the /downloads has the other buster iso for rpi
03:37 PM Tom_L: 2.8.1
03:39 PM travis_farmer[m]: Bit of an update on my CNC shed build... almost got half of the floor joists set. 🙂 it would be going faster if i could handle the heat and my back didn't keep going out on me...
03:42 PM roycroft: it's getting warm here today as well
03:42 PM roycroft: and i have to cut the dandelions today - that cannot wait
03:42 PM roycroft: i'm leaving on my camping trip in the morning and need to tidy the law before i go
03:42 PM roycroft: lawn
03:43 PM roycroft: someone else should work on tidying the law :)
03:45 PM roycroft: i have my counter top set in place, not permanelty installed yet - i want to wait for the finish to cure, and then to apply a coat of wax before i do the final installation
03:45 PM roycroft: but it's looking decent
03:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: how many sheds do you have?
03:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have pics of the build?
03:54 PM roycroft: i wonder if we'
03:54 PM roycroft: re going to have to call hime travis two sheds farmer
03:58 PM XXCoder: "I lost count on sheds" farmer
03:59 PM travis_farmer[m]: the CNC is now in a old gutted out Camper "shed", but i am building a proper shed to get rid of the camper shed. no pics yet...
04:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.nyckegs.com/nitro-gas-canister-40-cu-ft-1 nitrogen cylinders are pretty cheap
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.winekeeper.com/refills-parts-wk/ even disposable cylinders are available
04:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so this desktop metal maker thing might be a thing
04:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: travis_farmer: wooden floor?
04:03 PM travis_farmer[m]: yes, wooden floor
04:08 PM perry_j1987: gah i am so frustrated with this little gang lathe
04:10 PM roscogamer[m]: ?
04:10 PM roscogamer[m]: What lathe
04:11 PM perry_j1987: its some frankenstin lathe abomination lol
04:11 PM roscogamer[m]: 👀
04:11 PM roscogamer[m]: I'm scared
04:11 PM roscogamer[m]: Stay safe
04:12 PM perry_j1987: i would really like to get am omni turn gang lathe
04:13 PM roscogamer[m]: Ohh
04:13 PM XXCoder: wpw jep have been busy
04:13 PM XXCoder: so many commits
04:14 PM roscogamer[m]: Also I'm about to give up on getting these fucking dependencies installed
04:14 PM roscogamer[m]: Like it will just not install
04:14 PM roscogamer[m]: I'm. Going to bed now and I shall bother yall about it next weekend
04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: make live tooling like mrec was talking about
04:15 PM roscogamer[m]: 🤣
04:15 PM roscogamer[m]: Gn yall
04:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: night night
04:15 PM perry_j1987: i may have missed it bad internet in and out at the shop
04:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.robotdigg.com/product/1841/HT100-BLDC-motor-with-22mm-hollow-shaft-pancake-motor example low profile BLDC motor to drive spindle
04:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://granitedevices.com/oldsite/direct-drive-motors
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mrec has this lathe https://i.snipboard.io/RrDbLp.jpg
04:19 PM Rab: 290 RPM max for the HT100, good for spindling cheese.
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: example, example
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not everyone know what a pancake is :p
04:21 PM perry_j1987: it would be possibly fun to build a little linear rail gang tooling lathe
04:22 PM roscogamer[m]: https://tenor.com/view/pancakes-pancake-syrup-breakfast-brunch-gif-17577274
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: use one of the cheap 400-800w cnc mill spindles
04:22 PM roscogamer[m]: That pancake
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roscogamer: yeah
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: has some earlier
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: has/had
04:22 PM roscogamer[m]: Me want
04:22 PM perry_j1987: what are the pancake motors for?
04:22 PM Rab: The top of their range (HT2205) is 1200 RPM max. I was briefly excited about hoverboard/scooter hub motors just because they're practically laying around for free, but they don't go very fast.
04:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: if he wants to keep it low profile, otherwise he can use a long spindle with motor off the shelf
04:26 PM perry_j1987: i got a 7x10 harbor freight mini lathe here that i converted to ballscrew with upgraded 6in of travel on X for gang tooling
04:26 PM perry_j1987: nema23 steppers and metal drive pulleys with upgraded belt 3:1
04:27 PM perry_j1987: i've kept trying and trying to upgrade the thing little by little so its useable
04:27 PM perry_j1987: holds 6 tools on 23mm center in the gang tooling block
04:27 PM perry_j1987: using the smaller nut style er16 tool holders
04:27 PM Rab: You want a spindle for cross-drilling? I guess like a toolpost grinder, but slower and torque-ier?
04:28 PM perry_j1987: well i want the rest of the lathe working better first lol
04:29 PM perry_j1987: i thought i had the saddle pretty fitted but today noticed the tip of a drill rocking back n forth as i jog the z axis
04:30 PM perry_j1987: I also have a techno isel 9x20 with the full enclosure and such
04:30 PM perry_j1987: mesa 7i96 on it. I really need to get everything tooled up on that lathe
04:30 PM perry_j1987: much stronger lathe
04:30 PM perry_j1987: but as it is now it doesnt have enough travel to run the 6 tools i need
04:31 PM perry_j1987: so i gotta do some modifications to the x axis on it to allow for more travel
04:31 PM perry_j1987: techno isel really limited the travel artificially on their cnc conversion
04:31 PM perry_j1987: its a JET 9x20 lathe they used as the base
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04:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: what is a available for low cost high power low speed spindle motors these days?
04:58 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], I'm interested in BLDC motors from cordless garden and power tools. Size is smaller and speed is higher than e-bike/scooter motors, and I think the form factors are better suited.
04:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: I've seen some 40-60V cordless tools but don't know the torque at low rpm
04:59 PM Rab: And I expect a lot of this stuff to start showing up curbside, maybe thanks to failures in the fancy electronics which never affected the brushed versions.
05:01 PM Rab: Nor do I. I have a brushless DC motor from a Stihl chainsaw mated to a VESC, which did a good job of autodetecting the parameters after a few false starts. It struck me as having a lot of torque for its size in bench tests, but I didn't make any actual measurements.
05:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even 80V cordless now
05:03 PM Rab: The drawback is that the motor is 24V max, so to realize full power output you need a really serious DC power supply. I'm a little less interested in cordless BLDCs than I once was, for that reason.
05:04 PM roscogamer[m]: I have a cisco psu
05:04 PM Rab: I have a pair of 12V @ 100A HP server PSUs that I floated the ground on to chain them in series for a proper test, but the project is shelved at the moment.
05:04 PM roscogamer[m]: It's 42v at 130 something amps
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: Amazing for steppers and servos
05:05 PM roscogamer[m]: Fan is loud af tho
05:05 PM Rab: I'm also kinda curious about 3-phase motors in bigger AC appliances, like a lot of washing machines. It might be possible to drive them with an off-the-shelf VFD, I don't know.
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: andy has a demo of a washing machine motor
05:06 PM Rab: CaptHindsight[m], a video?
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: let me find his link
05:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdikHRXnAs
05:08 PM Rab: 3-phase BLDCs are in everything now. My wife's rental house has a 1HP one in the HVAC air handler. My mini-split A/C is all brushless variable speed, both indoor units and condensor outside.
05:09 PM Rab: So I think these motors are going to be increasingly available, some with ideal power-to-weight and performance specs for light machine tool applications.
05:12 PM Rab: Having said all that, there was somebody who drove a little machine-tool spindle with a hoverboard motor...maybe even posted here.
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Rab: i found several in China few years ago but now I'm moving away from any Chinese sources
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/Flipsky-Hardened-Skateboard-Brushless-Accessories/dp/B08L5WDTSZ
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/Flipsky-Bardened-Electric-Skateboard-Brushless/dp/B08L51R57F/ref=sr_1_6
05:20 PM CloudEvil: The actual turny round part is the easy bit.
05:21 PM CloudEvil: Getting runout and ... dealt with well is fun.
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61yMxm2CmXL._SL1000_.jpg
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CloudEvil: cheap motor with belt driven spindle and bearings
05:23 PM CloudEvil: yeahg
05:23 PM CloudEvil: I've been wondering about doing a 'dremel' clone that way
05:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/275333674170 with low cost BLDC motor
05:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: somebody US or Canada could grind these out just as cheaply
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: grind a nice true spindle shaft and use real bearings
05:46 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: The thing to watch in those cheap hobby BLDC motors is that the power ratings are very much a peak rating. If you try to deliver 4kW from one of those for any length of time you will have a melted motor 🙂
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Chinese source for motors until there are better choices
05:47 PM XXCoder: would need to get good grinder to grind certain features flat
05:47 PM XXCoder: then replace all bearings
05:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ZincBoy[CA, ON]: i usually derate Chinese watts by 50-70%
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: IF customers cared about accuracy more than low cost
05:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it could still be low cost but if customers are just chasing the lowest price why bother with them
05:51 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: @CaptHindsight, I think you need a bit more than that with those motors. I look at the size of the motor and compare it to an industrial one. If the industrial one is only rated at 400W for the size of a "4kw" one it is going to be closer to 400W actual.
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ZincBoy[CA, ON]: just examples, not final part numbers
05:53 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Understood, but I have experimented with those types of motors quite a bit and there is no free lunch 🙂
05:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: plus the fun of China
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1st order all parts are to spec
05:55 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: LOL, yup, been there 🙂
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2nd order all copper wire is replaced with copper clad alum
05:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 3rd order is just dog crap painted to look like a motor
05:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what does work is buying good parts out the backdoor
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so IF you find a manufacturer of say a good BLDC cordless tool motor, you need to find a connection to sell you the ones they make after hours or weekends
05:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or ones that "fall out of boxes" and they mark them up 5%
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: grinding spindles is easy
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: have to make some of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-MwByEIxOo
06:02 PM JT-Shop: not very neat windings
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nope
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah machine maker is also out of China, 86 country code
06:04 PM XXCoder: whoa
06:04 PM XXCoder: video is horrible to me
06:04 PM XXCoder: why ois it 2 fps?
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: heh,i wondered how you would react
06:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: made me seasick
06:05 PM XXCoder: i couldnt last a second
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Chinese 30 fps :)
06:05 PM XXCoder: i paused it and just fowarded though it
06:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they even exaggerate their FPS
06:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tom shopped around and waited for a motor deal for his spindle
06:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: where did you find your spindle motor?
06:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: he is busy building Rpi images
06:15 PM roycroft: i got the dandelions cut, so my neighbors will be less annoyed with me
06:16 PM roycroft: even though several of my neighbors have not mowed their dandelions lately, i'm the one who the hank hill neighbors focus on
06:18 PM XXCoder: HOA?
06:18 PM XXCoder: Hell Of Authoritian zone?
06:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some friends just moved into a new rental home, 1 week after they are getting nasty calls from the owner about mowing the lawn and getting threatened with fines from the city
06:19 PM roycroft: the grass has not grown here even 1mm since june
06:19 PM roycroft: it is totally brown and dormant
06:19 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], can't get to the link right now
06:19 PM Tom_L: ali
06:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the house sat empty for the past year
06:19 PM XXCoder: here I keep grass pretty tall (almost 2in) so it stayed green till just last week or 2
06:20 PM roycroft: i don't let the grass get too long, but the dandelions do their thing very quickly
06:20 PM roycroft: i'd have to mow them twice/week to keep them down, and that's not going to happen
06:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all our bushes dropped >90% of their leaves by the end of July
06:20 PM XXCoder: i barely have energy to walk at all, let alone mow
06:20 PM perry_j1987: roycroft you should garden the dandelions for making wine :) its pretty good stuff
06:20 PM roycroft: i just bought a new tent for my camping trip
06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's was so hot and dry for June and july
06:21 PM XXCoder: 2 weeks ago mowing was really nasty :(
06:21 PM roycroft: i should probably go set it up to make sure it's ok
06:21 PM XXCoder: perry_j1987: bunch of recipes for those weeds yeah
06:21 PM XXCoder: like salad
06:21 PM roycroft: perry_j1987: the dandelions that grow wild here would not be good for that
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06:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: better find out now than in a field at night
06:21 PM roycroft: they grow really tall, with really scrawny flowers
06:21 PM roycroft: the kind that grows low to the ground and has big fat flowers would be great for making wine
06:22 PM roycroft: maybe the ones i have would do that if i watered them
06:22 PM roycroft: but i'm not going to water them
06:22 PM perry_j1987: just tell the neighbors they are being gardened :P
06:22 PM XXCoder: I never water field. ever.
06:22 PM roycroft: i water my gardens
06:22 PM XXCoder: plants live or die according to nature
06:22 PM roycroft: i do not believe in watering lawns
06:22 PM roycroft: i do believe in eliminating lawns
06:23 PM roycroft: and i'm slowly doing that - i expand the garden beds a bit when i feel ambitious
06:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: plant trees not lawns
06:23 PM XXCoder: i want to remove all grass here
06:23 PM XXCoder: I hate them
06:24 PM perry_j1987: ok im back out at the shop
06:24 PM perry_j1987: i want to order a 5c collet chuck for this 9x20 techno isel lathe
06:25 PM perry_j1987: trying to determin what spindle threads it has
06:25 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight[m]: find out what?
06:25 PM perry_j1987: it looks like imperial im guessing
06:25 PM perry_j1987: .1in crest to crest
06:25 PM perry_j1987: and 1.5in diameter
06:26 PM perry_j1987: apparently these lathes are suppose to ether have 38x4 threads metric or 1-1/2x8 imperial threads
06:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: ??
06:26 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight[m]> XXCoder: better find out now than in a field at night
06:26 PM Tom_L: perry_j1987, did you get one of those ali bldc motors/vfd?
06:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh if his tent works
06:27 PM Tom_L: i forgot who it were now
06:27 PM perry_j1987: i didnt Tom_L
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: might be missing parts or have a hole
06:27 PM Tom_L: k
06:27 PM XXCoder: oh since you pinged me I thought it was related to mowing. which confused me lol
06:27 PM perry_j1987: i think i really need to stop futzing with that mini lathe
06:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh sorry wromng ping
06:27 PM perry_j1987: and transition all my stuff to the 9x20 techno isel for the time being
06:28 PM Tom_L: where does ff store it's bookmarks?
06:28 PM perry_j1987: depends if mac vs windows
06:28 PM Tom_L: win
06:29 PM perry_j1987: looks like its an sqlite db for firefox
06:29 PM perry_j1987: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/back-and-restore-information-firefox-profiles?redirectslug=Backing+up+your+information&redirectlocale=en-US
06:30 PM Tom_L: i'll just wait til i can boot into that os
06:34 PM perry_j1987: lol could you guys help me figure out these threads on this spindle nose
06:36 PM perry_j1987: the measurements im getting are not making any sense to me
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: post pics and numbers
06:38 PM perry_j1987: i get dead on 1.5in diameter and .1in from pitch to pitch
06:40 PM perry_j1987: as far as i understand it the techno isel lathe which uses a jet 9x20 as its base (the jet 9x20 lathes had either 1-1/2x8 or 39x4 metric
06:40 PM perry_j1987: so i've never had to measure threads per inch before but if 8 is in an inch
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 0.1in would be x10
06:41 PM perry_j1987: i dont have an inch of threads to measure so divide that by half so 4 threads per half inch
06:41 PM perry_j1987: doesnt measure up to what i got here
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with so0 few threads either x10 or x8 should jam itself on it :)
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you only have 4.5 turns?
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: metric threads have actual pitch not threads per cm or similar
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pitch of x4 would be 4m pitch
06:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 4mm
06:44 PM perry_j1987: https://www.micro-machine-shop.com/jet_collet_turn.jpg this is generaly what it looks like
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1/8th of 25.4mm = 3.175mm
06:45 PM perry_j1987: rough measuring with calipers it appears 2.5mm from ridge to ridge
06:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah sounds like 10tpi
06:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 25.4 / 10 = 2.54mm
06:46 PM perry_j1987: and there's NOTHING online about it being 10tpi
06:46 PM perry_j1987: which is throwing me
06:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe m39x2.5 ?
06:48 PM perry_j1987: well in metric the calipers say 37.88mm
06:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1.5 x 25.4mm = 38.1mm
06:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sound more like 1.5x10 in thread
06:49 PM perry_j1987: ya
06:49 PM perry_j1987: if i google for that there's zero results on google
06:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/Drill-America-m38x2-5-Metric-Hand/dp/B0995RHJ7B
06:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so close either nut would fit
06:51 PM perry_j1987: this is really odd feeling. having it right infront of me and doing the measurements but zero corroboration with the internet
06:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well the intertubes is not always right :)
06:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.teknatool.com/thread/
06:58 PM perry_j1987: hmm
07:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: none of the Jet lathe listing mention x10 tpi all are x8 tpi as you mention
07:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so maybe you have an fake jet lathe
07:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or somebody swapped something
07:01 PM perry_j1987: the registration shoudler is exactly 39
07:01 PM perry_j1987: ok well the only thing that made me think it was a jet base
07:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe m39x2.5
07:02 PM perry_j1987: the front cover to the headstock is flipped around
07:02 PM perry_j1987: on the inside of the sheet metal is the jet cover plate lol
07:02 PM perry_j1987: so techno isel just switched it around
07:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh well back to my work, it's already Monday afternoon
07:03 PM perry_j1987: its sunday right now :P
07:04 PM perry_j1987: you working with overseas people eh? :P
07:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what I do now is ready Monday afternoon
07:04 PM perry_j1987: ah
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i wish I had 40 hour days
07:05 PM Tom_L: git clone CaptHindsight[m]
07:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: even 30 would work
07:06 PM perry_j1987: same here
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: clone what?
07:06 PM Tom_L: YOU
07:06 PM Tom_L: you wanna get more done...
07:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah, but i would not get along with myself
07:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and than whole wife/GF things gets creepy
07:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what would you do if you ran into your younger or older self?
07:08 PM roycroft: my jet lathe headstock thread is m66x8tpi
07:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: m66x 3.175
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07:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: maybe a clone that could do all the work or all the sleeping
07:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like a battery for yourself
07:15 PM roycroft: i don't think my lathe can cut a metric 3.175 thread pitch
07:15 PM roycroft: although that *is* exactly 8tpi
07:15 PM roycroft: and it can cut that
07:15 PM XXCoder: not even with adoptor gearing as needed?
07:16 PM roycroft: i should go check
07:16 PM XXCoder: i saw one video where guy used 3d printed gearing for few screws on lathe that normally cant o
07:16 PM roycroft: because a 3.175mm thread pitch is not close to 8tpi, it is exactly 8tpi
07:21 PM roycroft: and i am correct - in metric threading mode, with the 127 tooth change gear engaged, i cannot set it to a 3.175mm thread pitch
07:21 PM roycroft: but since my lead screw is 8tpi, in american customary mode, it's easy to set it to 8tpi
07:22 PM roycroft: my lathe was made, btw, when jet were headquartered in tacoma
07:22 PM roycroft: they are in tennessee now
07:23 PM roycroft: but my lathe is pretty old
07:23 PM XXCoder: pretty local
07:23 PM roycroft: it was made in taiwan, of course
07:24 PM roycroft: ok, time to go do stuff to get ready for my trip
07:24 PM XXCoder: have a great trip
07:25 PM perry_j1987: jet was in tacoma wa ?
07:25 PM XXCoder: probably moved out when tacoma was high crime city
07:25 PM XXCoder: its still highest crime city in wa state, but far less crime than in 90s
07:27 PM perry_j1987: i remember growing up being told to not raise my hands above the door/window point in cars when driving through hill top tacoma heh
07:27 PM perry_j1987: 14 years later im at a rave in the same neighborhood lol
07:33 PM CloudEvil: 'Put your hands no higher than the door/window point for detroit'
07:34 PM perry_j1987: apparently my aunt thought there was a real problem with little kids throwing gang signs accidentally lol
07:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Detroit is actually getting much better, the jokes should be about Chicago now
07:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and Milwaukee has become the stolen car capitol of the USA
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08:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they were averaging 1 car stolen per hour
08:02 PM Tom_itx: CaptainHindsight, http://en.lanjiukeji.com/product/754.html
08:02 PM Tom_itx: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/310V-1-2kw-electric-motor-1200w_60737993181.html?spm=a2700.7724857.videoBannerStyleB_top.9.32c7751dTHUvzS
08:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_itx: how is the low end torque?
08:03 PM Tom_itx: not bad at all
08:03 PM Tom_itx: i use a pid in linuxcnc to help
08:04 PM Tom_itx: i generally don't go below 400 rpm and tops on mine is 5500
08:04 PM Tom_itx: but i can drill etc with it just fine
08:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not a bad price
08:05 PM Tom_itx: i got mine from glockcnc and paid alot more but then i found those
08:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: site looks broken https://glockcnc.com/
08:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was there earlier looking
08:06 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trzO8H6tKW8
08:06 PM Tom_itx: i have no sound here but you may be able to hear how it reacts
08:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_itx: which spindle is that?
08:07 PM Tom_itx: crapo sherline
08:07 PM Tom_itx: i've had it for many years and finally did something with it i can actually use now
08:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX4eP3QLwo0
08:09 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1XabACpKI
08:09 PM Tom_itx: 1" woodruff cutter
08:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: woot, I can read my encoders using LPT at 200mm/sec , 12,000mm/m
08:10 PM Tom_itx: :)
08:10 PM Tom_itx: some guy here actually got them from that site for his lathe but i forgot who it was
08:11 PM Tom_itx: the glockcnc guy is kindof an ass
08:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_itx: you should make videos to show people what you can really do with low budget and LCNC
08:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you actually know how to machine things
08:12 PM Tom_itx: i'm not a videographer but i do show short clips of stuff i do
08:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh that was with a 50us base thread
08:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so i can probably do 400mm/sec and 24,000mm/m reads
08:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with 5x oversampling
08:14 PM Tom_itx: and i've been criticised of running the cutters too slow but meh. i'm in no rush
08:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when it's your shop and paying me you can run it faster :)
08:15 PM Tom_itx: my kid does
08:16 PM Tom_itx: 2" shell mill 400 ipm or more
08:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well he has guberment paid for machines
08:16 PM Tom_itx: some of it is
08:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or does he on yours?
08:16 PM Tom_itx: no he works at a big shop
08:17 PM Tom_itx: he _was_ the youngest one there for quite a while
08:17 PM Tom_itx: @18
08:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have crashed a 4" shell mill
08:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: found out if the breakers to the mill work or not :)
08:18 PM Tom_itx: i put some material thru the back wall of the cnc while my bud was standing there
08:18 PM Tom_itx: we'd been talking and i was truing up some test specimens
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when I am tired I used to spin the RPG to quick for the Z
08:18 PM Tom_itx: forgot to tighten the vise after we were done talking...
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: not after that :)
08:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, when ditracted
08:19 PM Tom_itx: didn't really hurt anything but poked a hole in the sheet metal
08:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have also launched small cuts with the cold saw only to be found months later under something
08:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you hear it land and ping ping ping in the distance
08:21 PM Tom_itx: that one video of a flycutter at a local shop is the worst i've heard of aside from the Z falling on a maintenance guy at another place
08:22 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Lzw0VBu-I
08:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I was giving the final tighten to the control arm bolts on a car on the lift, I had put a post under the arm to position it at rest on pavement....
08:23 PM Tom_itx: nobody was hurt in that one
08:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: when I gave it full torque it lifted the front of the car off the lift and then cam down a few inches to the side
08:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ooops
08:24 PM Tom_itx: :)
08:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh yeah saw that one before
08:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I never machine when I am tired anymore
08:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's when I hit the vise or similar
08:26 PM Tom_itx: the one at youngers, the guy died
08:27 PM Tom_itx: can't be too careful for sure
08:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: tired and in a hurry is when I also break taps in the last hole
08:29 PM Tom_L: there are some package lists in that build i can't figure out where they are generated
08:29 PM Tom_L: i tried to edit them but when i built they went back to the defaults
10:51 PM skunkworks: lol - hacking a running config.. Make sure paralel port reset isn't true for a pin you want to output pwm...
10:52 PM skunkworks: it makes no sense what is going on for a bit..
11:08 PM perry_j1987: i cant find anything online about 1-1/2 x 10tpi lathe chucks/backplates
11:39 PM mrec: I think it's time for some thread milling .... did anyone do that with linuxcnc already?
11:41 PM mrec: I also received my roughing endmill suddenly steel is more like butter and slotting is very easy