Aug 16 2022
12:09 AM Alicrow-phone: CaptHindsight: you're running Gentoo? I had that on my laptop for a while. Quite a learning experience, but didn't work so well once I stopped using my laptop on a daily basis and just turned it on for travel and had 5 slot conflicts to deal with.
12:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Alicrow-phone: we built a Gentoo ebuild for LCNC 2.9
12:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we use Gentoo for anything we have to support
12:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: no more mystery problems, just works
12:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I honestly can't tell the difference between Debian Sid, testing and stable
12:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: things are always broken in all
12:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: just lucky hardware and apps i guess
12:39 AM roycroft: i think a lot of it is what you're used to
12:40 AM CaptHindsight[m]: also new vs older hardware
12:41 AM roycroft: that too, yes
12:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: no issues with XFCE on one system, same hardware on Sid, testing and stable when i start XFCE firefox or VLC will freeze, I have to alt+ctl+f2 and then alt+ctl+f7 for each time it freezes, maybe every 3-4 minutes until it magically just behaves
12:43 AM CaptHindsight[m]: no issues with XFCE on Gentoo same hardware
12:43 AM roycroft: the smoke is blowing in again
12:44 AM roycroft: this is really weird
12:44 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 2-3 year old Ryzen + vega graphics
12:44 AM roycroft: this is the third night in a row that it's gotten smoky late at night
12:44 AM roycroft: and it's gone in the morning
12:44 AM XXCoder: yeah my sister was telling me about light smoke there also
12:44 AM XXCoder: she lives bit north of you
12:44 AM roycroft: i don't remember smoke every being cyclic like that - usually it rolls in and stays smoky for a while
12:44 AM XXCoder: no smoke here still
12:44 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i turned off swap and thought that was the issue, but updated the kernel and the problem returns
12:44 AM XXCoder: probably cyclic wind pattern?
12:44 AM roycroft: it's not bad, but i can definitely smell it
12:45 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: wind patterns?
12:45 AM XXCoder: here its on and off wind
12:45 AM XXCoder: I cant smell so I dont know if theres traces here. nobody commented on smoke so far.
12:45 AM CaptHindsight[m]: clear or cloudy night?
12:45 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you guys are real hot and dry right now right?
12:46 AM CaptHindsight[m]: weather not you personally
12:46 AM XXCoder: lightly cloudy but most of day sun. fairly hot. slightly humid
12:46 AM XXCoder: thurs is supposely very hot at 92f here
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: slight humid so ~60%?
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or like 80%
12:47 AM XXCoder: 50-60%
12:47 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we get near 100% humid at night
12:47 AM XXCoder: which is most of time max humidity here
12:48 AM CaptHindsight[m]: on a hot day it might go down to 60%
12:48 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I don't mind hot and dry
12:48 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I really don't like humid
12:50 AM roycroft: this time of year, now that it's cooling off more at night, the humidity will go up to 70-75% at night
12:50 AM XXCoder: yeah at 100% your walking causes air pressure to increase on front of you, so water gets on front of you
12:50 AM roycroft: then it goes back down to 15-20% during the day
12:50 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I'd visit family and not really be bothered by 100+ F temps when it's dry, but 80F and 95% humid to me is miserable
12:50 AM roycroft: our humid season is in the winter, which is the opposite to most of the country
12:51 AM XXCoder: fun for woodworkers I bet
12:51 AM CaptHindsight[m]: if it gets humid here in winter it becomes thick fog
12:52 AM roycroft: we get that
12:52 AM roycroft: a lot
12:52 AM CaptHindsight[m]: like the ground is steam
12:53 AM CaptHindsight[m]: currently 60F and 90% humidty
12:53 AM roycroft: 21 here and 50% humidity
12:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: tomorrow high 77F and 44% humidity
12:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we are going to pay for this great weather
12:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: might be fire and brimstone come september :)
12:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: this is our hot and humid season
12:54 AM roycroft: so far the weather on the coast looks good for my camping trip next week
12:55 AM roycroft: 16-19 degrees every day
12:55 AM roycroft: no rain
12:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: tent camping or trailer camping?
12:55 AM roycroft: pretty much typical august weather on the oregon coast
12:55 AM roycroft: tent camping
12:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: how are the bugs this time of year?
12:55 AM roycroft: i may be old, but i'm not too old to sleep in a tent
12:56 AM roycroft: they won't be bad
12:56 AM XXCoder: here its just starting to enter bugs peak
12:56 AM roycroft: i shall not have to stalk the wiley mosquito
12:56 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we had a short time in May where the mosquitoes were terrible
12:56 AM roycroft: wily
12:56 AM CaptHindsight[m]: and almost none since
12:56 AM XXCoder: for a month or 2 it'll be bit annoying
12:57 AM roycroft: and, of course
12:57 AM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI7zVF8YSDA
12:57 AM CaptHindsight[m]: soon the bees and wasps will be poking around into everything
12:59 AM roycroft: i should have taken my trip this week
12:59 AM roycroft: the perseids just peaked
12:59 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBbJAIcnBI higher quality
01:00 AM roycroft: i'll still be able to see some next week, but not many
01:00 AM roycroft: yeah, that was pretty poor resolution
01:00 AM roycroft: not that you could see the mosquito, even at 1080p
01:00 AM roycroft: those hunters really have eagle eyes to be able to spot such tiny prey
01:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: hah, I just noticed that they are making fun of Aussies
01:01 AM roycroft: that they are
01:01 AM roycroft: and it's not the only time they do that
01:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: have seen that sketch 100 times
01:02 AM roycroft: if you know what i mean, bruce
01:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i think that was the first show I ever saw of MP on WTTW chan 11
01:03 AM CaptHindsight[m]: sundays 10:30pm
01:03 AM roycroft: i first started watching monty python on wttw, during its first run during the early '702
01:03 AM roycroft: 70s
01:03 AM roycroft: yes
01:03 AM roycroft: sunday nights at 10:30
01:03 AM roycroft: our family routine was this:
01:03 AM roycroft: everyone else would get disgusted and go to bed
01:04 AM roycroft: i would sit in the living room watching monty python and laughing my arse off
01:04 AM CaptHindsight[m]: hah my mom had to be up at 5am, she would get angry at us laughing our heads off
01:05 AM roycroft: fortuantely we had a color tv by the time monty started airing
01:06 AM CaptHindsight[m]: mosquito hunters is from series 2
01:06 AM roycroft: we'd had it for a while, actually
01:06 AM roycroft: i think we got our color tv in '68
01:06 AM roycroft: i remember watching star trek in b&w at first
01:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: oh we had a B&W without UHF until about '74
01:07 AM roycroft: but i was watching it in color by the end
01:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: damn Zenith worked too well
01:07 AM roycroft: i guess we were pretty fancy, because we had uhf back in the '60s
01:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: evryone else did but us
01:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I had to go to friends houses to watch UHF, oh any my dad got a tiny B&W UHF tv around '71
01:08 AM roycroft: our next door neighbors got a color tv in '65
01:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so I only had UHF on Sundays at his place
01:08 AM roycroft: guess where me and my sisters were every saturday morning for a few years
01:09 AM CaptHindsight[m]: oh yeah!
01:09 AM CaptHindsight[m]: my sisters had those tiny Sony B&W TV's, one only had a 2" screen
01:10 AM CaptHindsight[m]: but they were way older than me
01:10 AM roycroft: i got a little b&w tv when i was about 12
01:10 AM roycroft: it was like 5" or 7"
01:10 AM roycroft: but it had uhf and vhf
01:10 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I stated repairing TV's at about 12 yo
01:10 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so I suddenly had 10
01:10 AM roycroft: i was more into radio at the time though
01:11 AM XXCoder: my dad was in tv repair business
01:11 AM roycroft: and when i was 12 i was still listening to wls and wcfl
01:11 AM XXCoder: before you ask, yes he was deaf
01:11 AM roycroft: and sometimes wind
01:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we had several stereo and CB radio manufacturers in Chicago nearby
01:11 AM roycroft: clark webber and dick biondi were on wind when i was little
01:11 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we used to dumpster dive and get most of our stuff
01:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Sherwood, corbra etc etc
01:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Cobra
01:12 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I was more into astronomy, optics and chemistry until we started dumpster diving
01:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: then it was mostly electronics
01:13 AM XXCoder: sigh my life was too screwed up to have anything serious while growing up
01:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: well WLS used to make it over 1000 miles at night
01:13 AM roycroft: when i started high school i started listening to wxrt
01:13 AM XXCoder: I still feel it stunted me a bit
01:13 AM roycroft: at the time it was all ethnic programming until midnight
01:14 AM roycroft: and i was studying german, so i listened to the german show
01:14 AM roycroft: but then i started listening past midnight, when they played progressive rock
01:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: how so, If I'm not prying
01:14 AM XXCoder: moved too many times, way too poor
01:15 AM roycroft: yeah, i'm sure that was challenging
01:15 AM roycroft: especially the moving around bit
01:15 AM XXCoder: apparently lived at tents for a year
01:15 AM XXCoder: I only have one very specific memory of that time
01:16 AM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, we weren't rich but not dirt poor, we just had to buy all of our own stuff, maybe a few $$ from time to time to get something
01:16 AM CaptHindsight[m]: so we had the industrial dumpsters and we got creative with paper routes and similar
01:17 AM roycroft: when i was young we lived in cardboard box in the middle of road
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: hehe
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: you had a cardboard box!
01:17 AM roycroft: and we loved it!
01:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we liver in a crack in the road
01:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: long distance moves or just around the area?
01:19 AM XXCoder: theres only 3 states in west half of usa that we didnt live at or moved though
01:19 AM XXCoder: note nothing to do with our dad. mom dioviced him
01:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we went on vacations every year, 1 week to some place by air in the USA
01:20 AM roycroft: my family went on vacation every year
01:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: except my dad didn't like planes so we took 20 hour train trips with him
01:20 AM roycroft: and because it was the '70s, we had an apache pop-up camper
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: we lived in Chicago, so no cars, public transportation to everywhere
01:21 AM roycroft: i mostly lived in the suburbs
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: -20F in winter waiting for a bus or train, fun times
01:21 AM roycroft: the south suburbs
01:21 AM roycroft: but i'm a cubs fan
01:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we were in the hood
01:21 AM roycroft: the rest of my family are white sox fans
01:22 AM roycroft: even when i lived in bridgeport i was a cubs fan
01:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we did move from a really rough area to some better ones but still well inside the city
01:22 AM roycroft: so you can understand why my family and i don't speak
01:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: sure
01:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: who talks to sox fans?
01:22 AM roycroft: i did like the blackhawks
01:22 AM roycroft: but not the bears
01:22 AM XXCoder: I dont speak to anyone. I sign to them
01:23 AM roycroft: i've never had any interest at all in professional american football
01:23 AM roycroft: it's sooooooooooooooooooooo boring
01:23 AM roycroft: every time i ever went to soldier's field it was to go to a chicago sting game
01:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: automatic Cubs fan by birth location but not really a game watcher
01:24 AM roycroft: i have not been to the friendly confines since they put those lights in in the early '80s
01:24 AM roycroft: i think it would be hard to go there now
01:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: we saw the Sting in '69 at soldier field
01:24 AM roycroft: it's just not the same place with lights
01:24 AM CaptHindsight[m]: my parents were from Europe so that to them was proper football
01:24 AM roycroft: it is proper football
01:25 AM roycroft: you move the ball with your foot
01:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: me niether
01:25 AM roycroft: the thing we call football should really be called throw and run ball
01:25 AM CaptHindsight[m]: not once did I ever go to a Bulls game
01:25 AM XXCoder: I sometimes wonder if usa football was made up when someone drunk discribed how europoe football works
01:25 AM roycroft: nor i
01:26 AM roycroft: well american football is more an abomination of rugby than an abomonation of actual football
01:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: rarely the bears but only when given free tickets
01:26 AM roycroft: when i worked for the telco we had a suite at the rose garden
01:26 AM XXCoder: used to watch seahawks game all time but not for while now
01:26 AM roycroft: so i did go to a few blazers games when i was working in portland
01:26 AM CaptHindsight[m]: unfortunately i was into flow sports, sking, skateboards, surfing
01:26 AM roycroft: but mostly i used the suite to see concerts
01:27 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i grew up in the wrong state
01:27 AM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: yes, it is an odd game
01:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i watch more Australian foot ball than uhmerican
01:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: since it's so much wierder :)
01:28 AM roycroft: footie is a lot more fun to watch
01:28 AM roycroft: especially when a goal is scored
01:28 AM CaptHindsight[m]: if I watch any sports is the solo odd stuff
01:29 AM roycroft: the tiny little man in the white suit grabs the flags and starts waving them around
01:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: x-games kind of things
01:29 AM roycroft: espn used to carry footie games all the time, then they stopped
01:29 AM CaptHindsight[m]: or cricket
01:29 AM roycroft: and i haven't had cable or sat tv in many years now, so that doesn't matter
01:30 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I'll watch foreign TV from time to time
01:30 AM roycroft: cricket is quite the endurance sport
01:30 AM roycroft: for the spectators
01:30 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I like foreign morning shows, tells you a lot about their culture
01:31 AM CaptHindsight[m]: like now they are almost ending in the EU
01:31 AM roycroft: for any of you who have never watched austrian rules football
01:31 AM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6aI32Q-jsE
01:31 AM XXCoder: for me, its more and more like this https://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/working_home/piggers.png
01:32 AM roycroft: that's a short one
01:32 AM roycroft: less tyan 30 seconds
01:32 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://lolmt2.com/ SAT.1-Frühstücksfernsehen
01:34 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESVjzf4FzyU
01:35 AM XXCoder: roy wow thats weird
01:38 AM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.stream4free.live/france-2-direct
01:39 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Japanese TV is still the wierdest
01:41 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I had an antenna with rotor on top of our building, i used to try and get out of town channels at night, like long wave radio
01:42 AM CaptHindsight[m]: watching Milwaukee or South bend for 20 minutes was like getting signals from a distant planet
01:48 AM Guest16: Hi, friends. Im having a question about connection COM/RS485 converter to Mitsubishi VFD: Im using 5 pin connector as in this photo
01:48 AM Guest16: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Hd41fb348841f49f2bdd744600699a47a6.jpg
01:49 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Guest16: what is the question?
01:51 AM Guest16: When I connected VFD to this converter I send in ModbusPoll this request: Tx:01 03 03 EB 00 01 F4 7A
01:52 AM Guest16: And look at this answer: 7F FE FE 8A FD 81 08 .......... 01 03 02 13 88 B5 12 ............ 00
01:52 AM Guest16: at start and at end of answer I saw noise
01:53 AM Guest16: sorry for my english ;)
01:54 AM Guest16: Im not using terminal resistor. maybe I need connect it for delete noise?
01:54 AM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe, do you have a wiring diagram?
01:55 AM CaptHindsight[m]: your English is fine
01:55 AM Guest16: moment pls
01:58 AM Guest16: https://ibb.co/kKXkzTy
02:01 AM CaptHindsight[m]: oh so you are trying a USB --> 485 Simplex to the VFD that has Duplex
02:02 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Guest16: which model Mitsubishi VFD?
02:02 AM Guest16: FR-D700
02:03 AM CaptHindsight[m]: http://dl.mitsubishielectric.com/dl/fa/document/manual/inv/ib0600366eng/ib0600366engg.pdf
02:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I can't find the pinouts for the rs485 on the VFD
02:07 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i did find https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/44782-mitsubishi-vfd-modbus-cant-get-it-work
02:07 AM Guest16: Im having correct connection pls see page 181
02:08 AM CaptHindsight[m]: AH page 30 of the pdf
02:10 AM Guest16: yes. Im connected as in this page
02:13 AM CaptHindsight[m]: how long are your wires from USB--485 to the VFD?
02:14 AM Guest16: ~10cm
02:14 AM CaptHindsight[m]: IF your connections are as the drawing shows then it might be the VFD configuration settings
02:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: i have sometimes made wrong connections for simple things like this
02:15 AM CaptHindsight[m]: be really sure they are correct :)
02:16 AM randy: morning
02:16 AM Guest16: today or tomorrow I need a dowble checking connection and params
02:17 AM Guest16: and I want add terminal resistor
02:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Guest16: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/44782-mitsubishi-vfd-modbus-cant-get-it-work
02:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: they used the 720 vs your 700
02:17 AM Guest16: Im using 720 is 700 series
02:17 AM CaptHindsight[m]: 2:17 here, trying to avoid being here still at 5:00 :)
02:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: good luck and hope someone can help further
02:18 AM Guest16: bye
02:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: Guest16: that link coves how to debug ^^
02:20 AM CaptHindsight[m]: cobes/covers
02:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: starting with proper config of the usb serial port
02:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: lots of steps for the full config
02:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: serial ports can be a pain since you need the correct syntax for board rate, stop, parity, number of bits etc
02:22 AM Guest16: Im ot having problem with config, Im having a problem with connection
02:22 AM CaptHindsight[m]: board/baud
02:22 AM Guest16: I need a double check it again
02:23 AM CaptHindsight[m]: also remember that cheap Chinese adapters might not work as they advertise
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04:36 AM Tom_L: morning
04:40 AM JT-Cave: morning
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06:20 AM JT-Cave: hmm my coon or possum has found a new way into the Cinnamon Queens run
07:04 AM t4nk_fn: you need stronger poison man :b
09:08 AM perry_j1987: morning
09:16 AM unterhaus: a mother rabbit had some bunnies in one of my raised gardens and now the dogs are destroying my fence trying to find more bunnies
09:17 AM unterhaus: I'm starting to more fully appreciate the saying "dumb bunny"
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10:40 AM tjtr33: Tom_L thx for the logs
10:44 AM tjtr33: CaptainHindsight hello some of your typos suggest STT software (board/baud)
10:45 AM tjtr33: I been using nerd-dictation (free linux opensource python) and its working well for me
10:46 AM tjtr33: https://github.com/ideasman42/nerd-dictation
11:27 AM chris_99: Hey just wondering if anyone's come across this, https://www.axminstertools.com/proxxon-mf-70-micro-mill-cnc-507263 , curious what you might think of that vs say a 3040 or similar, from watching a video of a manual version of it, it mentions it can cut steel which was interesting for me
11:30 AM t4nk_fn: raise both your hands if you like paying tax bills!
11:30 AM * t4nk_fn starts to cry
11:31 AM perry_j1987: super tiny
11:31 AM perry_j1987: chris_99 what do you want to make
11:31 AM perry_j1987: will be hard to do V8 cam shafts on it :)
11:34 AM mrec: does anyone know a reseller of super cheap all sizes endmills? I need some for plastic and usually the odd ones...
11:34 AM mrec: again 8p5 is missing in my collection
11:36 AM Rab: chris_99, Proxxon tools are very nicely made in general, but that mill (like their micro-lathe) is just very lightweight. Also it appears to have anodized aluminum dovetail ways. Really not appropriate for more than tiny model-making tasks.
11:37 AM Rab: Generic 3040 stuff at least has actual linear bearings, although some of the designs are better than others.
11:38 AM Rab: Thinking about it, the Proxxon probably has less flex than a 3040 with unsupported rails.
11:38 AM Rab: But it's not how I'd spend my £664.98.
11:48 AM chris_99: ah, heh, any suggestions on how to spend more wisely
11:48 AM chris_99: perry_j1987: just some silly keychain things, and other projects i can think up, i've never done milling before, so as a machine to learn on
11:48 AM Rab: Are you limited to a tabletop, or could you house a compact industrial machine?
11:48 AM perry_j1987: whats your budget
11:48 AM chris_99: was thinking less than £1k, a compact industrial machine might be acceptable too
11:49 AM mrec: I have the vm18L converted to CNC
11:49 AM perry_j1987: going good mrec ?
11:50 AM chris_99: cool, did you follow anything online to do that conversion mrec ? ooh cheers Rab
11:51 AM mrec: it works well, but I'd rather go for a 1.5kw motor instead of the 750w one nowadays.
11:51 AM mrec: I like to do rigid tapping with it... I did almost 1000 threads with that
11:52 AM mrec: I have no tutorial ... I did not have a mill back then so a lot hand-work was required to get the ballscrews inside the crosstable (hand-work -> rasping things in shape)
11:52 AM mrec: I even asked a shop to cut the quenched nut into shape it took the worker almost an hour to do that :D
11:53 AM mrec: he used an angle grinder for that
11:53 AM perry_j1987: which nut
11:53 AM mrec: ballscrew nut 16xx
11:53 AM mrec: not sure about the details anymore I converted it a year ago and set it up back then
11:53 AM mrec: without CNC the mill is not so good I'd say
11:54 AM perry_j1987: i ahvnt seen vey many pics of the castings on the vm18l
11:54 AM mrec: it's impossible to do adaptive milling with hand :-)
11:54 AM perry_j1987: what you cant draw a picture of a cat on an etchasketch
11:54 AM perry_j1987: lol
11:54 AM Rab: Wow, there's a lot of cheap old iron in the UK. No idea how geographically accessible it all is.
11:55 AM mrec: https://snipboard.io/oR1dCp.jpg
11:55 AM Rab: This looks like a great home shop mill, comparable to my little Clausing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234654480256
11:55 AM mrec: the bracket on the right side is for a stepper motor / rigid tapping.
11:55 AM perry_j1987: where are you located mrec
11:56 AM perry_j1987: using anema34 for rigid tapping?
11:56 AM mrec: Taiwan
11:56 AM mrec: nema23
11:56 AM mrec: and 1:5 belt that works very well
11:56 AM perry_j1987: nice
11:57 AM mrec: it will kill the threading tool if you go to fast. I'm not doing thread milling but tapping directly it's quick and works well.
11:57 AM mrec: HTD5 belt
11:57 AM perry_j1987: access to some fun stuff being in taiwan eh?
11:57 AM mrec: I'm here for around 3 years now, it's easy to access everything from china and taiwan is a country where things are made.
11:58 AM perry_j1987: the pm728vt sure looks nice to me
11:58 AM perry_j1987: what do you do there
11:58 AM mrec: I'd prefer to get a VM32L now (but without head and use my own mill, I have received a 2.5kw ATC spindle it's on the shelf)
11:59 AM mrec: I'm developing electronics.
11:59 AM mrec: and now I'm building a pick and place machine and feeders with those machines.
12:00 PM perry_j1987: i just finished watching this couple minutes ago heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHF0D_noWAw
12:00 PM roycroft: precision matthews seem to be a notch above grizzly/jet
12:00 PM roycroft: and a lot of folks do cnc conversions on them
12:00 PM mrec: converting to CNC is pretty easy, the bigger the machine the easier it is
12:01 PM mrec: the VM18L is hard at the border for default 16xx ballscrews
12:01 PM * roycroft just checked out perry_j1987's link, and is glad he forgot to unmute first
12:01 PM mrec: Weiss support is excellent by the way
12:02 PM mrec: they shipped some wrong stuff to me first, and replaced the wrong things for free
12:02 PM mrec: I also have the WM180V, I just used it the entire day to make parts
12:03 PM mrec: turning stainless steel with it 304 and 416
12:06 PM mrec: youtube.com/watch?v=IYwSLPlPXqs this is good for mini lathes
12:20 PM Rab: Weiss looks like the Euro version of Precision Matthews, Chinese machines with semi-custom OEM specs and better QC/support.
12:21 PM mrec: basically the design all looks the same I guess they buy from the same source
12:22 PM mrec: Weiss is responsive, and you can order directly from them
12:22 PM Rab: If I were buying a new benchtop machine on a budget, I'd go for PM over Grizzly/etc. (USA) The price premium isn't huge.
12:22 PM mrec: ordering directly is quite a bit cheaper than via resellers
12:24 PM roycroft: grizzly was popular before pm set up shop
12:25 PM roycroft: pm is the more popular option now, i think
12:25 PM roycroft: and i have a grizzly mill-drill
12:25 PM roycroft: if i were to buy a new machine today i would definitely go with a pm over a grizzly
12:26 PM Rab: Grizzly seems like the minimum acceptable option (over Harbor Fright). I know people who have gotten reasonable service out of Grizzly tools.
12:28 PM roycroft: actually, if you're going to do a cnc conversion right away, and you have another machine to use to mill parts, hf might not be that bad
12:28 PM roycroft: the castings are identical to the equivalent grizzly models
12:28 PM roycroft: you're going to rip out the screws and replace them with ball screws
12:29 PM mrec: that's the point it was difficult to make the first CNC I only had manual tools available to get things in shape back then
12:29 PM roycroft: you need to do some scraping anyway, as a grizzly is not ready for precision work out of the box
12:29 PM Rab: I was looking for a manual for the Acra-Turn 12x36 lathe at work. Acra was useless, but Grizzly have a virtually identical product and their documentation is pretty nice.
12:29 PM mrec: now making a second one would be a pleasure ... since I have the first one already.
12:29 PM mrec: did anyone here work on a DIY tool changer for a lathe?
12:30 PM roycroft: i have a jet 12x36 lathe that dates back to the 1980s
12:30 PM Rab: I suspect that while the HF castings look the same, they're full of sand and pockets of air and old appliances and stolen cobalt sources and rocks and insects, and pretty much anything else.
12:30 PM roycroft: jet stopped making parts for it a long time ago, as in decades ago
12:31 PM roycroft: but i can still buy parts for the equivalent grizzly model, and have done so several times
12:31 PM roycroft: and yes, i would agree that there's a qc pecking order
12:31 PM roycroft: and hf get the grizzly rejects
12:34 PM Rab: Unfortunately the various 12x36 mfgs have inexplicably different change gear combos, so I'm not sure I can easily get metric threading on this lathe.
12:36 PM roycroft: i have a 127 tooth gear for mine
12:36 PM roycroft: but the half not does not sync properly when doing metric threading
12:37 PM roycroft: so i have to leave it engaged the whole time, and run the lathe backwards after each pass to reset position
12:37 PM roycroft: i think that's fairly common with the import 12x36 lathes
12:38 PM perry_j1987: just got out to the shop, time to look into increasing the travel of this 9x20 x axis
12:41 PM Flowers4635[m]: Hi, I am looking for the files that are required for QTDragon to touch. I would like to add something to the touch routines
12:43 PM Flowers4635[m]: is this the right path ? nc_files/examples/probe/basic_probe/macros/
01:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how do you turn ~75A durometer cylinders? Liquid nitrogen and just in a chuck? Room temp in a fixture in a chuck? or?
01:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for softer rubbers liquid nitrogen and turning works well as does water jet
01:54 PM perry_j1987: can you cast what you need ?
01:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes, but it would cost far more than buying and turning to size
01:56 PM perry_j1987: what surface quality do you need on it
01:56 PM perry_j1987: how big of item
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a lathe for sponges would be handy
01:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how do you "cut the rubber"?
01:58 PM perry_j1987: hot wire
01:59 PM roycroft: or you can use a "laser"
01:59 PM perry_j1987: how big of parts
01:59 PM roycroft: a laser lathe would be a fun project
02:00 PM XXCoder: someone made 4th axis edm
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too thick for laser
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and laser surface finish is too poor
02:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: cast urethanes don't melt, they burn, they are similar to thermosets
02:05 PM perry_j1987: how big of parts are you needing
02:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: skate wheels
02:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: encoder wheels
02:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: drive wheels
02:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: casters
02:08 PM perry_j1987: have a resin 3d printer?
02:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what's that?
02:09 PM * t4nk_fn reaches out and grabs a resin 3d printer from the hors d'oevres plate perry_j1987 is carrying
02:09 PM t4nk_fn: don't mind if I do!
02:10 PM perry_j1987: like a regular ole creality mono resin printer
02:10 PM perry_j1987: you can print molds for casting very easy you could cast straight onto bearings for idlers etc
02:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh those printer things that use photopolymers?
02:11 PM perry_j1987: ya
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no what are they?
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they initiate free radicals, and the world has enough of them
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: "print molds for casting" ? Why cast if you can just print?
02:18 PM JT-Shop: time to make chips
02:19 PM perry_j1987: because the resins are britle and not silicone or other materials you want
02:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: https://i.imgur.com/DN5UWm3.mp4 really?
02:27 PM perry_j1987: i do a bunch of casting here with resin printed molds
02:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I just wanted to turn some urethane
02:35 PM perry_j1987: https://www.marktool.com/machining-polyurethanes/
02:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is that how you turn yours?
02:55 PM perry_j1987: i dont turn any i just cast em to shape for what i need/do
02:55 PM unterhaus: time to go do some latherie. I'm a lathier.
02:55 PM unterhaus: I didn't make it as a luthier
02:58 PM miss0r2: I know this shouldn't matter. But it feels tough to run shutdown for the last time on a good server :) 21:11:28 up 1443 days, 9:54, 1 user, load average: 1.13, 1.06, 1.06
02:58 PM miss0r2: root@stormcloud:~# poweroff
02:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it severed you well, time for some R&R
02:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: well served, hope not severed
02:59 PM miss0r2: ;)
03:00 PM XXCoder: nice
03:00 PM miss0r2: well. I just figured out that running a 1U dell server to host what is essentially a glorified digital buienesscard is a bit overkill. And with these power prices..
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: miss0r2: how has your summer been?
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: shouldn't you be away in August?
03:01 PM miss0r2: CaptHindsight[m]: hot
03:01 PM miss0r2: should I ?
03:01 PM XXCoder: mis that reminds me of that story
03:01 PM miss0r2: Well, I just got back from a camping trip with a few friends. But that was only an extented weekend
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "never trust the Russians" maybe it will sink in this time
03:01 PM XXCoder: they was finally replacing a old server thats been chugging along for over a decade without restarts etc
03:02 PM XXCoder: they couldnt find the server lol its in service, can remote login and ping etc
03:02 PM miss0r2: hehe I had one of those once
03:02 PM XXCoder: they evenually found it inside a wall. seems there was improvement 3 years before that time
03:02 PM XXCoder: somehow they missed a server
03:03 PM miss0r2: hehe
03:03 PM miss0r2: I've read that story
03:03 PM miss0r2: I had something like that happen to me a few years back - I was asked to do an upgrade on the local network of a client of mine. They needed new workstations & a new file server
03:03 PM miss0r2: (on the shop floor, for data transfers to the CNC machines ect)
03:04 PM miss0r2: I said 'great - lets look at the stuff'.
03:04 PM miss0r2: and they were like 'what stuff' :)
03:04 PM miss0r2: I spend about three hours crawling around figuring out where the network cables ended up.
03:05 PM miss0r2: and I found the server an old IBM something running NT 3.5 tugged away in what most of all looked like an abandoned workshop for the in house handyman, that was long gone at that point
03:06 PM miss0r2: I don't think anyone had even layed their eyes on that beautiful tower server for over a decade at that point
03:06 PM XXCoder: wow
03:07 PM miss0r2: This was last spring, IIRC
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why servers should have a port that releases smoke signals
03:07 PM miss0r2: sadly I didn't think about taking pictures at the time. I was just elated that I found it
03:07 PM XXCoder: I once saw a video of guys doing a ruins dive into old phylogical building
03:08 PM XXCoder: they found pc that was still powered on.
03:08 PM XXCoder: windows 95
03:08 PM miss0r2: CaptainHindsight[m] I think that would've gone unnoticed too, honnestly
03:08 PM miss0r2: nice
03:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: similar stories with vehicles with IP addreses
03:08 PM XXCoder: (video was in 2021) it crashed when they moved mouse, rebooted, then it was perfectly fine
03:08 PM miss0r2: Thats got to be some sort of uptime record for windows 95
03:09 PM XXCoder: they said placed closed down some time later but yeah probably 20 years though it was at frigile place since it crashed on montior wake up
03:09 PM miss0r2: but still :)
03:10 PM XXCoder: whats shocking is power is still on
03:10 PM XXCoder: place was in ruins. some water leak damaged areas, paint peeling etc
03:10 PM miss0r2: hehe. Yeah, sometimes that stuff is just left running because noone thinks about it.
03:10 PM miss0r2: the electrical bill was probably just being payed by the government without them thinking about it
03:11 PM XXCoder: from what I saw in videos, most lights was broken and nothing else is running so looks like not much power anyway
03:11 PM XXCoder: pc is weird case, probably since it was old even in its working time
03:12 PM miss0r2: "they don't make'em like they used to"
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: the power of lazy, don't underestimate it
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some places are managed so poorly that people just do the bare minimum to not get fired, they would not bother to look for a mystery server
03:13 PM miss0r2: bleh. This ZyWall is entirely too complicated. I can't find the DHCP pool settings
03:14 PM XXCoder: capt it was workstation pc not server
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: computer
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Fabtech giving out free passes time
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.fabtechexpo.com/
03:21 PM miss0r2: CaptHindsight[m]: Can you test to see if you can reach my site? http://acmservice.dk/ ?
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.imts.com/ might still be free
03:21 PM miss0r2: Its just a buisnesscard, nothing fancy. But it takes more than a little work for me to test it from the inside out
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 👍️
03:22 PM miss0r2: yes - you can reach it or ?
03:22 PM miss0r2: Excellent. Thanks
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yes
03:23 PM XXCoder: sounds fun to go to
03:26 PM miss0r2: That is it for me for tonight. See you around
03:26 PM XXCoder: have fun
03:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hazzy: has the whole area just west of the Georgia World Congress Center been rehabbed? i don't recognize it.
03:50 PM JT-Shop: miss0r, works for me
04:11 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, see you fixed the page
04:12 PM XXCoder: interesting video https://youtu.be/6SL7l2tN3fw
04:12 PM XXCoder: guy adds solar panel and battery, and convert bicycle to e-bike
04:12 PM XXCoder: for his bicycle camper
04:12 PM XXCoder: I dont really agree with some of his decisions.
04:13 PM JT-Shop: the emc home page?
04:13 PM JT-Shop: yesterday
04:13 PM XXCoder: like drilling though TOP of roof. id do side in since its much harder for water to get in side
04:13 PM Tom_L: get anywhere on the live build?
04:14 PM Tom_L: menu options etc
04:15 PM JT-Shop: I thought I did but not sure if dd actually burned the new iso to the sd card because the name was the same... try again tomorrow am
04:15 PM Tom_L: did you edit any more files prior?
04:18 PM JT-Shop: yep a couple of files IIRC
04:20 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/patches/binary_syslinux
04:20 PM JT-Shop: that one
04:21 PM Tom_L: that determines how it builds?
04:21 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/patches/binary_syslinux#L235
04:22 PM JT-Shop: I think the place holders in the splash screen are configured there
04:22 PM JT-Shop: gotta finish up some cam work
04:22 PM Tom_L: k
04:23 PM Tom_L: you still using solidworks for that?
04:23 PM Tom_L: no.. that other cad cam you had.. i forgot what it's called
04:25 PM JT-Shop: onecnc
04:25 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:28 PM unterhaus: XXCoder, that battery he made is going to catch on fire
04:29 PM unterhaus: One of the cold solder joints is going to let loose and short something
04:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, did you see andy's patch in that directory?
04:29 PM Tom_L: unterhaus, it will be awesome when it does
04:30 PM XXCoder: unterhaus: im not too familiar with soldering. cold? is it not hot enough to fuse with strip properly?
04:30 PM Tom_L: right
04:31 PM unterhaus: it didn't get hot enough to flow out.
04:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: Tom_L did you see andy's link?" do you have a link to the the link?
04:31 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], this is for the live build
04:31 PM Tom_L: it's in the github livebuild branch
04:32 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/patches/binary_syslinux.patch
04:33 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], JT-Cave says some of the menu items on the splash screen are non functional
04:34 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar enough with how these scripts work to do much myself
04:35 PM Tom_L: but that does build a good live iso
04:36 PM Tom_L: we changed the desktop on our local copies to mate and i got rid of extra language docs on mine
04:37 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], notes so far: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/buster_ISO_build.txt
04:51 PM Birdman3131[m]1: That lovely point where you find out your narration on your video of what wires were what voltages on your tear down is completely missing all sound.
04:52 PM Birdman3131[m]1: Luckily I can piece together what went where but the narration was not supposed to be missing
04:52 PM roycroft: donald knuth would have an answer for that - make your wiring self-documenting
04:52 PM roycroft: that way you never lose the docs
04:53 PM Birdman3131[m]1: ... Android 12 apparently has a mute button inside the media player that is separate from the volume control on the phone.
04:53 PM Birdman3131[m]1: This is not my wiring it's the factory wiring on a machine that I am having to take apart to move where I needed to go.
04:55 PM Tom_L: 86F
04:56 PM roycroft: there's a solution to that as well
04:56 PM Tom_L: a welcome number here
04:56 PM roycroft: you should start a youtube channel
04:56 PM roycroft: that way you'll video every move you make with mulitple cameras
04:56 PM roycroft: and when you forget how to route the wires, go watch your youtube post of the disassembly
04:57 PM Tom_L: at least you'll know where to find your 'notes'
04:57 PM roycroft: yes
04:57 PM XXCoder: hobby watch restorers do that also
04:57 PM roycroft: and maybe after six months or so youtube will have made a few thousand dollars off your videos and will pay you seven cents
04:58 PM roycroft: if you're lucky
04:58 PM roycroft: if not, they will take down your video for a "copyright violation" the day before payout day
04:58 PM XXCoder: thats why many channels do patreon
04:58 PM roycroft: and you'll never see your seven cents
04:58 PM roycroft: patreon is the only way to make money on youtube any more
04:58 PM Tom_L: as long as i get my 2 cents in..
04:59 PM XXCoder: im on techology connections, clickspring patreon list
04:59 PM Tom_L: if you're in it for the money, get a real job
04:59 PM XXCoder: also one other channel but I cant spell name at all
05:00 PM roycroft: actually, there are a few folks who make a really good living off of youtube/patreon
05:00 PM Tom_L: imagine what yt makes
05:00 PM roycroft: i guarantee that abom is getting all his new machines from youtube revenue and sponsorships
05:00 PM XXCoder: yep
05:00 PM roycroft: and he's spent at least close to 7 figures on that new shop
05:01 PM roycroft: epecially since he buys metal stock from mcmaster :)
05:01 PM roycroft: that's a really easy way to spend a lot of money fast
05:03 PM Tom_L: just buy metal that is increasing in value
05:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is why he has a youtube channel
05:04 PM XXCoder: roy you watch edge precision also?
05:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a channel with actual innovative tech would get ignored
05:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and how to save money on materials is anti-capitalism
05:05 PM infornography: The other vendors have become unreliable, mcmaster keeps looking like a better option every day.
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mcmaster buys their materials from metal supermarkets
05:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: save 50% right there
05:08 PM infornography: We broke promises to customers three weeks in a row because the local vendors are full of crap and could not deliver...
05:09 PM infornography: At least mcmaster I see what they have in stock and get it the next day.
05:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: McMaster and Grainger, we probably have it but it is going to cost you
05:10 PM infornography: ... /rant
05:10 PM infornography: They are expensive
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I noticed that MCmaster also bundles or cuts things to size so that the prices is always close to $20 or higher
05:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i was looking for rubber hoses and sheet
05:11 PM Tom_L: i got a local guy i get that from
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: conveniently they size it to never be under $10-15
05:11 PM Tom_L: last trip there i got the neoprene for my mill covers free
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: once the per foot gets closer to $10 they only sell in 2 or 5ft lengths
05:12 PM Tom_L: he's moved and changed names so it's a little harder to find him
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: want samples of McMasters mateirals, sorry buy a sample set for $30
05:15 PM Tom_L: he supplies belt material for grain elevators etc so what i got was just cutoff
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i wish Shars grows to McMaster size an also starts to carry more made in USA
05:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nice
05:16 PM Tom_L: i had him build me some garden hose many years ago and it's still in great shape
05:16 PM Tom_L: actual machined ends etc
05:17 PM Birdman3131[m]1: While I would like to do a YouTube channel i always get as far as footage and never do editing right
05:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: is Zoro owned by grainger?
05:17 PM Tom_L: seems so
05:18 PM Tom_L: About Zoro.com: Zoro.com (a subsidiary of W.W. Grainger, Inc.)
05:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that is why they suck
05:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: there are some giant warehouses near LA that have US stock of Chinese products, but they only sell on ebay
05:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: alibaba should have taken over radio Shacks or similar and sold consumer goods and used the Fastenal model of next day almost anything
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but i guess that what Amazon is trying to do
05:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: would be nice if they had a focus on manufacturing support
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: materials, tools, automation etc
05:23 PM XXCoder: lol seems theres recall on cleaning products, it had some capri sun drink mixed in
05:23 PM XXCoder: honestly far better than reverse
05:24 PM * Tom_L wonders why the two would even be packaged in the same plant
05:24 PM XXCoder: dont know if thats the case
05:24 PM XXCoder: maybe guy on break spilled some
05:25 PM CloudEvil: Tom_L: They have to do something with the rejected cleaning products.
05:25 PM XXCoder: lol
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: filling machines
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: why are there so mnay outbreaks of e coli and similar for produce?
05:26 PM Birdman3131[m]1: My dad always claimed they used to use cherry Kool-Aid to clean the stoves in the army not sure how true that was though.
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they are processed in the same plants as workers who are not allowed bathroom breaks
05:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Birdman3131: maybe citric acid in kool aid
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: in the electronics markets in China you can also shop for machine and automation parts
05:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that would be handy here in the USA
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and most larger cities (>1-2 million) have hardware malls
05:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 100 or so stores all with building hardware
05:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the nuts and bolts guys, paint, lumber, plumbing , electrical etc etc
05:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we get McMaster, grainger, fastenal, home depot, menards, ACE and lowes
05:57 PM _unreal_: so I'm doing the facing operation finally for the Z plate
05:57 PM _unreal_: for the carriages.
05:57 PM _unreal_: blowing me away I've starting over for the 3rd time. I have one corner that is just WAY up
05:57 PM _unreal_: everything else is on the same plain
06:02 PM _unreal_: t4nk_fn, any progress?
06:02 PM _unreal_: I've been slow on progress as of the past few weeks
06:02 PM _unreal_: aiming to get back to getting this thing going
06:17 PM _unreal_: ?
06:22 PM t4nk_fn: I already knew, mate
06:27 PM _unreal_: ?
06:28 PM XXCoder: engineer bruns guy is still alice!
06:28 PM XXCoder: *alive
07:31 PM * roycroft thinks about getting back to printing some boxes, so he can start cleaning off the counters in the shop
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11:43 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +o by ChanServ
11:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 🪠
11:44 PM roycroft: oh brother
11:44 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by XXCoder
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11:45 PM XXCoder: dammit
11:45 PM roycroft: *chuckle
11:45 PM roycroft: i don't think it will be back
11:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +b by XXCoder
11:46 PM XXCoder: ok got that, gonna unban other 2 lol
11:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: mrec: you can buy those
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11:48 PM XXCoder: ok fied
11:48 PM XXCoder: *fixed
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11:48 PM XXCoder: been so long since I had to use commands lol