#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 14 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:04 AM XXCoder: roycroft: hope so yeah
01:32 AM roycroft: we had a lot of smoke last summer, but two years ago it was really bad
01:33 AM XXCoder: 2019 was orange hell for you guys. it was bad here but wow
01:33 AM XXCoder: 2018 bad very bad for everyone since it was under heat dome
01:42 AM roycroft: hopefully it won't last long this yer
01:44 AM XXCoder: yah
04:02 AM sensille: my linuxcnc install is a few years old but updated. i'm trying to connect to a samba server but fail, probably due to smb1 deprecation. is anyone still using this? do i need to upgrade my linuxcnc install?
04:09 AM Guido[m]: Certainly not a linuxpro, but at several years of age and a depreciated smb: Isntall recent version of distro of choice and migrate to linuxcnc 2.8
04:10 AM sensille: looks like linuxcnc is announcing "PC NETWORK PROGRAM 1.0", which seems to have been removed from smb 4.16 :-(
04:12 AM sensille: re-install linuxcnc just for a stupid samba issue ... maybe i revert to the thumb drive method
04:32 AM jpa-: sensille: check your samba version, 3.6 from 2011 should already have SMB2 if you enable it
04:32 AM jpa-: you could also use scp
04:32 AM jpa-: or sshfs
04:41 AM sensille: hm. smbclient (3.6.6) does not recognize -mSMB2. i'll take a close look at my smb.conf
04:57 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:25 AM Tom_L: morning
05:36 AM Tom_L: 101F today
05:45 AM JT-Cave: 90°F here
06:30 AM pere: 14°C here. :)
06:55 AM * JT-Cave gets some chainsaws out to finish up the oak tree
07:51 AM roscogamer[m]: morning yall
07:51 AM roscogamer[m]: i have installed probe basic
07:51 AM roscogamer[m]: love the interface only it doesnt seem to conect to the mesa
07:52 AM roscogamer[m]: like the motors no move while they did move when i used axis
07:53 AM roscogamer[m]: i took all the files from the axis thing into the probe basic and the things like max movement speed and work area all transferd
07:53 AM roscogamer[m]: only le motors no move
08:23 AM TurBoss[m]1: hello roscogamer (@_discord_486904910701395968:jauriarts.org) what version of probe_basic did you install?
08:23 AM TurBoss[m]1: can you share your ini?
08:25 AM roscogamer[m]: the probe basic ini
08:25 AM * roscogamer[m] posted a file: (5KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/RGoaeZegXbjMqzbuHUMQMAYN/probe_basic.ini >
08:25 AM * roscogamer[m] posted a file: (5KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/TuLRCfgjDxziwbPDHcpBQZze/DIY_CNC.ini >
08:25 AM roscogamer[m]: and i installed the development version
08:27 AM TurBoss[m]1: the probe_basic.ini is a simulation ini
08:29 AM TurBoss[m]1: to get it working you may need to get your axis ini and copy some variables from the probe_basic.ini to your ini
08:30 AM TurBoss[m]1: checj the `DISPLAY` `HAL` `KINS`and `TRAJ` sections of both files
08:30 AM TurBoss[m]1: * to get it working you may need to get your axis ini and copy some variables from the probe_basic.ini
08:30 AM TurBoss[m]1: s/checj/check/
08:33 AM roscogamer[m]: mkay
08:34 AM roscogamer[m]: or can i just rename the axis fine to ptobe basic
08:44 AM TurBoss[m]1: yes but some features may require some settings there
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: mkay
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: imma try that and ill put here what breaks
08:45 AM roscogamer[m]: xd
08:45 AM TurBoss[m]1: okay thank you
08:48 AM roscogamer[m]: not sure what that did but it didnt do what it was suposed to
08:48 AM roscogamer[m]: xd
08:48 AM TurBoss[m]1: :/
08:50 AM roscogamer[m]: that probbly means i need to put every thing in that ini file right?
08:50 AM roscogamer[m]: like put em side by side and coppy everything from the axis part to the probe basic part
08:51 AM TurBoss[m]1: I'll do the opsite
08:51 AM Guido[m]: roscogamer (@_discord_486904910701395968:jauriarts.org) this doc did help me: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/qtpyvcp/44889-probe-basic-config-conversion-doc
08:51 AM roscogamer[m]: ohh
08:51 AM roscogamer[m]: ill check it out
09:40 AM sensille: damn, the buster iso is UEFI, my machine is too old for that
09:42 AM JT-Shop: my CHNC is running Ubuntu 10.04
09:44 AM Tom_L: mine is running wheezy
09:47 AM Tom_L: i'm old too but i still work :)
09:51 AM Tom_L: so i overpaid on something so they refunded me by a prepaid debit card that came with a $3 monthly maintenance fee
09:51 AM Tom_L: bastards
09:52 AM t4nk_fn: lol
09:52 AM t4nk_fn: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd it's gone.
09:52 AM roscogamer[m]: time for a crusade
09:53 AM roscogamer[m]: i hate when companies do that
09:53 AM roscogamer[m]: yea we will give you your money back
09:53 AM roscogamer[m]: but every month you dont use it we will take a tinybit back
09:54 AM Tom_L: it's hardly worth activating the card
09:54 AM roscogamer[m]: yep
10:11 AM JT-Shop: well Creality is consistent... both the old and new Z stepper mounts are not square
10:19 AM roscogamer[m]: lol
11:06 AM Birdman3131[m]1: Are gecko 251x drives the recommended drives? Currently have 2/3 drives working on my dyna 2800 working. Need to be 48v capable. Not sure on amp rating but fairly sure it's under 4a.
11:06 AM Birdman3131[m]1: Current drives are 200 step drivers without microstepping. In an ideal world I'd replace em all but I'm kinda broke.
11:08 AM JT-Shop: gecko 251x is a good drive
11:08 AM roycroft: gecko drives are pretty bullet-proof
11:08 AM roycroft: and i'm told their customer service is very good
11:09 AM roycroft: when you get the cheap drives off ebay, customer service is pretty much post to reddit if you don't understand something, and buy some spares in case they blow up
11:11 AM Birdman3131[m]1: I'm ok with minimum support. But i want a full 4a when it claims it.
11:13 AM Birdman3131[m]1: And the general amazon reviews are all over the map in regards to power.
11:28 AM Birdman3131[m]1: https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/digital-stepper-driver-1-0-4-2a-20-50vdc-for-nema-17-23-24-stepper-motor-dm542t currently thinking about going with this one instead.
11:39 AM roycroft: amazon users are all over the map in regards to intelligence and experience
11:53 AM roycroft: it looks like gecko have a whole new product line out now
11:53 AM * roycroft wonder if he can still get some of the old produt
11:56 AM roycroft: yeah, they still sell the older ones
12:21 PM roycroft: it is time to paint
12:21 PM roscogamer[m]: oke i have been trying to get this to work
12:21 PM roycroft: how exciting - i should be able to get my lumber rack installed later on today
12:21 PM roscogamer[m]: the axis to probebasic
12:21 PM roscogamer[m]: only its giving me errors again
12:22 PM Birdman3131[m]1: Specific errors might be helpful.
12:22 PM * roscogamer[m] posted a file: linuxcnc.report (9KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/SMHzwCpwYPnzfiIJQigXeoXG >
12:22 PM roscogamer[m]: its saying it cant find probebasic
12:43 PM Tom_L: give it the right zipcode
12:47 PM Tom_L: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/quick_start.html
12:49 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic
01:36 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:41 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, did you ever figure out how to create a live dvd?
01:42 PM roycroft: gst3d have responded to my disputes
01:42 PM roycroft: i should find out in a few days what they had to say
01:44 PM Tom_L: umm no but pere may have posted something on it. his worked but i could never get mine to
01:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:46 PM Tom_itx: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build
01:47 PM pere: I got my live iso booting
01:47 PM Tom_itx: is that the right link?
01:47 PM pere: yeah
01:48 PM pere: my patches have yet not been applied.
01:48 PM Tom_itx: andy has one too
01:48 PM Tom_itx: https://github.com/andypugh/buster-iso
01:48 PM pere: andypugh: perhaps you can tell if and when my pull requests will make it into master?
01:49 PM JT-Shop: looks like the first link is much newer
01:49 PM Tom_L: yes
01:49 PM Tom_L: that's the one i was trying
01:49 PM JT-Shop: I'll try that in the morning
01:50 PM Tom_L: i should try again with a clean slate
01:50 PM JT-Shop: which os is the first link building?
01:51 PM Tom_L: i don't remember.. either buster or bullseye
01:51 PM Tom_L: probably bullseye
01:51 PM Tom_L: 11
01:51 PM Tom_L: you know... the one that got left behind :)
01:52 PM JT-Shop: lol
01:53 PM JT-Shop: is lb a debian command?
01:53 PM Tom_L: livebuild
01:53 PM Tom_L: dunno if you need to install something or not
01:53 PM JT-Shop: ah
01:54 PM Tom_L: i have notes somewhere on 4 ssd
01:54 PM Tom_L: just finished the winders tasks ..
01:54 PM JT-Shop: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=live-build
01:55 PM JT-Shop: I just homed the ender 3 with the probe, kinda scary and cool at the same time
01:56 PM Tom_L: butt pucker moment?
01:56 PM JT-Shop: made me pay close attention to the nozzle :)
02:01 PM Tom_L: lemme see if i can find any notes
02:03 PM Tom_L: i captured the chat when i was working on it but haven't sifted thru it yet
02:03 PM Tom_L: and it says bookworm which i think is 12
02:07 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, he moved the git repo since that chat
02:08 PM Tom_L: to that link i posted
02:08 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build
02:11 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
02:11 PM perry_j1987: found a bin of alum chips from when i got my first lathe lol
02:12 PM JT-Shop: I really should punch in and do some CAD work on the Whirlpool never ending project
02:12 PM perry_j1987: now that i can read the chips lol it was quite funny how bad i was running the lathe back then
02:13 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2022-07-26.html
02:13 PM Tom_L: maybe
02:13 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:17 PM Tom_L: i never could quite figure out what i was missing
02:21 PM JT-Shop: I'll give it a go in the am
02:26 PM Tom_L: i'll try again too but not today
03:36 PM Tom_L: hmm
03:36 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/2022/08/09/LinuxCNC-2.8.3/
03:39 PM Tom_L: anyone know if the newer hostmot2 was included?
03:40 PM Tom_L: * Update hostmot2.9
03:40 PM Tom_L: appears so
03:44 PM roscogamer[m]: Wait
03:44 PM roscogamer[m]: Did lcnc update?
03:45 PM JT-Shop: hmm need to see if it knows about a 7i96S
03:49 PM Tom_L: oh the update?
03:49 PM Tom_L: yeah that would show it
04:01 PM Tom_L: trying the iso build..
04:14 PM XXCoder: https://www.wired.com/story/john-deere-tractor-jailbreak-defcon-2022/
04:14 PM XXCoder: interesting
04:26 PM Tom_L: iso built.. testing
04:27 PM JT-Shop: did you take notes?
04:28 PM XXCoder: "only difference between science and just screwing around is writeups"
04:28 PM Tom_L: of course not
04:28 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/README.md
04:28 PM Tom_L: i just did that
04:28 PM Tom_L: and used your dd line and it's still copying to the sd
04:28 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:28 PM XXCoder: "Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down." exact quote
04:29 PM Tom_L: cool will be when the sd boots
04:29 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:29 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure how to tell when it's done
04:29 PM JT-Shop: you built that with mate de
04:29 PM Tom_L: yes
04:30 PM JT-Shop: dd will tell you... interrupt and it will smack your hand
04:30 PM Tom_L: well i'm not sure
04:30 PM Tom_L: how to tell
04:30 PM JT-Shop: did you use status?
04:30 PM Tom_L: status=progress
04:30 PM JT-Shop: yep
04:30 PM Tom_L: the led finally quit blinking so maybe it's done
04:30 PM JT-Shop: it will give you a summary when done
04:31 PM Tom_L: no it buffers alot
04:31 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-11.html
04:31 PM Tom_L: otherwise it would have been done ages ago
04:31 PM JT-Shop: look at the done one
04:31 PM Tom_L: right.. i got that a while ago but the led was still blinking
04:31 PM JT-Shop: when you see xx records in xx records out it's done
04:32 PM JT-Shop: could just be saying it's plugged in
04:32 PM Tom_L: i'll try booting from it
04:32 PM Tom_L: no it finally went solid
04:32 PM JT-Shop: led on the usb sd card thingy
04:33 PM Tom_L: yes
04:33 PM Tom_L: yay!
04:34 PM Tom_L: got a chips logo on the boot screen now
04:34 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:35 PM Tom_L: advanced options has the 'regular' menu now
04:35 PM Tom_L: the first one has live system, live system failsafe, start installer and advanced options
04:35 PM Tom_L: is the live system a rip version?
04:36 PM Tom_L: must be..
04:36 PM Tom_L: boots like a live cd
04:37 PM Tom_L: and boots up with 2.8.3
04:37 PM Tom_L: awesome
04:38 PM Tom_L: boots with xfce though
04:39 PM Tom_L: can that be edited before the build?
04:39 PM Tom_L: pere, ?
04:39 PM JT-Shop: should be able to
04:41 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/config/package-lists/desktop.list
04:43 PM Tom_L: not sure what mate's would be called though
04:43 PM Tom_L: looks like 3 lines would need editing
04:51 PM Tom_L: sure went alot smoother this time
04:51 PM Tom_L: but he was still working on it on his own repo when i tried
04:52 PM JT-Shop: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mate-desktop
04:53 PM Tom_L: the build iso still shows 2.8.2 though
04:54 PM JT-Shop: prob need caja, mate-desktop, mate-terminal, mate-tweak, mozo
04:55 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt update
04:55 PM JT-Shop: sudo apt dist-upgrade
04:55 PM Tom_L: but what to put in the desktop.list to change it to mate instead of xfce
04:56 PM JT-Shop: <JT-Shop> prob need caja, mate-desktop, mate-terminal, mate-tweak, mozo
04:56 PM Tom_L: mmm
04:56 PM Tom_L: i suppose i can try it
04:57 PM JT-Shop: can't hurt
04:57 PM Tom_L: i'll try it
04:58 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc-live-build/blob/buster/auto/config
04:58 PM JT-Shop: might try after getting mate to work changing to 2.8.3
04:58 PM * JT-Shop goes to dump the burn barrel
04:58 PM Tom_L: changed that too..
05:07 PM roycroft: it's time to install the lumber rack finally
05:08 PM roycroft: after today i should be able to stroll out to my shop without tripping over pieces of wood
05:20 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, you building another live dvd?
05:20 PM Tom_L: yes
05:20 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:20 PM Tom_L: standby
05:20 PM Tom_L: could take a few
05:20 PM JT-Shop: sitting by
05:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/buster_ISO_build.txt
05:24 PM Tom_L: a little reading material while you wait
05:24 PM Tom_L: if it works...
05:27 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:27 PM Tom_L: won't bullseye just be a package manager install?
05:28 PM Tom_L: buster is really the only one that could use the iso
05:29 PM Tom_L: well we have an iso.. burning to sd
05:29 PM JT-Shop: dunno have to look at it a bit
05:32 PM Tom_L: just waiting on the sd buffer
05:37 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/LinuxCNC-2.8.3/
05:37 PM Tom_L: if you wanna try it
05:38 PM Tom_L: i took it down.. only boots up a terminal
05:39 PM Tom_L: needs more worl :/
05:39 PM Tom_L: work
05:39 PM solarwind: Tom_L when are you going to finally throw down that $10/year to get yourself a real domain name?
05:39 PM Tom_L: never
05:40 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, must be missing something for mate
05:40 PM Tom_L: no doubt
05:41 PM Tom_L: the version change was ok
05:41 PM JT-Shop: task-mate-desktop
05:41 PM Tom_L: instead of mate-desktop?
05:41 PM JT-Shop: in addition to
05:42 PM Tom_L: listed after mate-desktop?
05:42 PM Tom_L: or does it matter?
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I don't think it matters
05:42 PM solarwind: On an unrelated note: my father is getting old and rides his motorcycle only a few times per year. Is it really necessary to change the filter as well during an oil change? The only reason I can think of is the filter material breaking down
05:42 PM JT-Shop: I'm just looking to see what mate is installed here with spm
05:42 PM Tom_L: try again..
05:43 PM solarwind: I change the oil every year because the oil has other active compounds in it that degrade over time
05:43 PM Tom_L: is there a 'clean' command for lb build?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yup
05:43 PM Tom_L: what would that be?
05:44 PM JT-Shop: prob lb clean
05:44 PM JT-Shop: or sudo lb clean
05:45 PM JT-Shop: everything is installed on the ender 3 except the filament detector... tomorrow
05:45 PM Tom_L: ok building again
05:47 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
05:48 PM JT-Shop: do you think it would be better to list by os?
05:48 PM roscogamer[m]: Ohh
05:48 PM JT-Shop: install 9, tweaks 9, emc 9, other software 9 etc?
05:48 PM roscogamer[m]: I can test that this week
05:48 PM * JT-Shop wonders what a "that" is?
05:49 PM roscogamer[m]: Will the new firmware also stop giving me the error of a unsupported function being present
05:49 PM JT-Shop: if the oil filter has oil in it then at the least you should dump the oil out
05:50 PM JT-Shop: firmware for what?
05:50 PM roscogamer[m]: The that is if the new lcnc update knows the 7i69s
05:50 PM JT-Shop: ah, we need to see if the hostmot2 is new enough to know what a 7i96s is
05:50 PM roscogamer[m]: Isn't rly firmware it's just a update
05:51 PM JT-Shop: aye
05:51 PM roscogamer[m]: Ye
05:51 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i'm not sure it matters
05:51 PM roscogamer[m]: I can test since I got one
05:51 PM Tom_L: i'm ok with the list like it is
05:51 PM JT-Shop: so to update, sudo apt update, sudo apt dist-upgrade
05:51 PM roscogamer[m]: It does not
05:51 PM roscogamer[m]: That's all?
05:51 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, ok
05:52 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:52 PM roscogamer[m]: I though updateing lcnc whould be harder
05:52 PM roscogamer[m]: Since anything else has been
05:52 PM roscogamer[m]: 🤣
05:53 PM * JT-Shop wanders inside to prep the grill for jalapeno bacon wrapped poppers and T-bone
05:53 PM Tom_L: you _could_ add the character names along side the debian number if you feel froggy :) debian 10 (buster) or such
05:53 PM JT-Shop: ok, makes sense some folks must like the silly cartoon names
05:53 PM Tom_L: maybe just on the top group
05:54 PM Tom_L: if they can't figure it out from there well, they have other life issues
05:54 PM JT-Shop: good idea
05:54 PM JT-Shop: LOL
05:54 PM Tom_L: check back.. i'll have an iso in a bit
05:55 PM JT-Shop: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/calling-any-one-from-missouri.73271/page-1584#post-26054212
05:55 PM JT-Shop: that's me
05:55 PM Tom_L: computer age enhancement?
05:56 PM JT-Shop: really old photo my sister found
05:56 PM Tom_L: that was a day or so ago
05:56 PM JT-Shop: been a bunch of water under the bridge since then
05:57 PM Tom_L: sounds like the horse had a mind of it's own
05:57 PM JT-Shop: when she saw the barn it was no stopping her
05:57 PM JT-Shop: all right time to get the grill ready for chow
05:58 PM JT-Shop: see you in the am
05:58 PM Tom_L: k
05:58 PM Tom_L: i'll put the iso up if it works
05:59 PM Tom_L: or you can make your own :)
05:59 PM restlessnight: HEllo
06:03 PM restlessnight: Hi there im new in all this with linux and cnc but im currently working with cnc machines and i would like to make some friends and projects with raspberry pi
06:04 PM XXCoder: hi
06:04 PM restlessnight: is anyone interested / have some mintutes to talk ?
06:04 PM Tom_L: just start asking
06:05 PM restlessnight: im already suprised by raspberry pi 4 works , i just got it 1 week ago , and im working in the field with heidenhain controllers , i alot of ideas and project came to my mind , then 25 years ago i was into mIRC , and now im back but with linux because i felt in love right away
06:06 PM restlessnight: do you guys have any idea if TNCremo runs in rasbian?
06:07 PM Tom_L: lcnc will run on rpi4
06:07 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0OLIth_cOI&t=3s
06:07 PM Tom_L: proof
06:09 PM restlessnight: OMG thank you so much
06:09 PM restlessnight: i will try to be active in this channel and share info
06:09 PM restlessnight: thank you Tom
06:10 PM Tom_L: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rtpreempt/binary-armhf/
06:10 PM Tom_L: should be a deb there for it
06:10 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/downloads/
06:10 PM Tom_L: maybe an iso there for it.. an older one
06:10 PM Tom_L: but you can update the lcnc version
06:11 PM restlessnight: ahh ok got it
06:11 PM restlessnight: thank you again
06:11 PM Tom_L: LinuxCNC 2.8.1 Raspberry Pi OS based on Debian 10 Buster
06:13 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, the iso worked that time. live booted mate with lcnc 2.8.3
06:16 PM restlessnight: all right
06:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/LinuxCNC-2.8.3-liveCD-mate/
06:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, ^^
06:17 PM Tom_L: or if anyone else want's to try it
06:19 PM Tom_L: (at your own risk) :)
06:24 PM restlessnight: have you ever someone from here tried to install or run TNCremo by heidenhain on linux?
06:24 PM Tom_L: nope
06:26 PM Tom_L: looks like it is a windows program
06:26 PM Tom_L: for DNC or what?
06:30 PM restlessnight: i would like to configure my raspberry to talk to tnc
06:31 PM restlessnight: machine or siemens sl or pw
06:31 PM restlessnight: pl
06:39 PM Tom_L: to do what?
07:31 PM Tom_L: looks like there is a 2.8.3 deb available as well
07:42 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, also edit the /config/package-lists/linuxcnc.list and get rid of ES FR if you don't want those docs on the menu
08:20 PM restlessnight: #cnc
08:22 PM restlessnight: group channel: what other channels o server are around for cnc linux topics
08:22 PM restlessnight: ?
08:22 PM XXCoder: this one. so far I know anyway
08:23 PM restlessnight: and would you recomend any channels around this with technology topics, machines, rasp berry ?
08:26 PM restlessnight: \music
11:38 PM pere: Tom_L: good to see you found the package lists.