Aug 05 2022
12:16 AM TurBoss: morning
12:26 AM roycroft: i really like watching youtube videos (and most other videos on my tv
12:27 AM roycroft: much better than on a computer
12:27 AM roycroft: i just don't like the ads
12:27 AM roycroft: and i'll be out of grey filament tonight
12:27 AM XXCoder: me either
12:28 AM roycroft: i said just the other day that i think i'm going to take a break from ordering filament for a while
12:28 AM XXCoder: 99.9% of time ad is not related to my interests
12:28 AM roycroft: and now i've placed two orders for two spools each since then
12:28 AM roycroft: it's at least 99.9% of the time with me
12:28 AM XXCoder: I won the bet, paypal me $1000 ;)
12:28 AM XXCoder: kidding
12:29 AM roycroft: i'll be down to one of the old hardware storage drawer units on the wall with contents by this weekend
12:30 AM roycroft: and i won't have the filament i need to deal with everything in it until late next week
12:30 AM roycroft: i might just take them all down this weekend anyway, so i can get my lumber rack instlaled
12:31 AM XXCoder: well can always use those on counter for a while as you print boxes you can ditch em
03:07 AM mrec: does anyone have a deeper knowledge about mesa cards? What's the deal about the stepgen? is it just that the mesa cards do an auto de-assert on the step/dir signals themselves?
03:12 AM jpa-: mrec: the register map has some useful explanations about the internals https://github.com/HacklabJKL/sergei_cnc2/blob/main/fpga_firmware/hostmot2/regmap#L330-L509
03:13 AM jpa-: AFAIK it has a fractional rate pulse generator in hardware, so every servo period LinuxCNC tells something like "generate step pulses at rate of 1234.5678 Hz"
03:14 AM jpa-: and the feedback comes from the hardware counting how many steps it has actually generated
03:25 AM jpa-: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/stepgen.c#L133-L236 in the position control mode, the hostmot2 driver has an internal control loop for deciding the pulse rate
03:55 AM rmu: mrec: AFAIK the method to generate pulses (DDS, see https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/hal/components/stepgen.c#L553 and https://github.com/LinuxCNC/hostmot2-firmware/blob/master/src/kubstepgenz.vhd#L280) is more or less identical, but the FPGA card is of course magnitudes faster and has no relevant jitter.
04:41 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:41 AM Tom_L: morning
04:42 AM XXCoder: premorning
05:00 AM Tom_L: few more 100+ F days ahead
05:01 AM XXCoder: 2 90f+ days here after tomorrow. fun
05:58 AM mrec: rmu: certainly I'm just thinking about building my own ethernet + arm + FPGA combo system
06:11 AM rmu: mrec: have a look at remora for something like that
06:12 AM rmu: mrec: https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/44688-remora-ethernet
07:26 AM TurBoss: JT-Cave: morning, have you figured deb builds?
07:26 AM JT-Shop: not for documents on debian 11
07:26 AM TurBoss: tried building po4a from sources
07:27 AM TurBoss: ?
07:34 AM JT-Shop: no, don't know where or how to build po4a
07:36 AM mrec: jpa-: thanks I will study the sources
07:38 AM TurBoss: I cloned https://github.com/mquinson/po4a and ran `perl Build.PL` `/Build`and I skiped the install step and added po4a to `PATH` in`bashrc`
07:39 AM * TurBoss uploaded an image: (35KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/eIvOyphOcKszrEApElkTqlFo/image.png >
07:40 AM JT-Shop: thanks
07:41 AM TurBoss: maybe can complain about perl missing things... cant remember but is just cpan install thing...
07:51 AM silopolis[m]1: Guys, why don't you just dl the package from testing or sid???
07:51 AM TurBoss: hmmm
07:51 AM TurBoss: trying it now
07:52 AM Birdman3131[m]: I have some stepper motor drivers that step on both the rising and falling edges. Is this something linuxcnc supports?
08:25 AM JT-Shop: it's more fun to do it right :)
08:42 AM silopolis[m]1: I prefer having you work on mesact than fighting to build an already available package... Just saying
08:47 AM JT-Cave: I prefer to have the docs match the software and not just copy outdated docs
09:19 AM silopolis[m]1: You get that point
09:43 AM Tom_L: silopolis[m]1, i tried pulling it from sid and it brought in a bunch of stuff that made it not work
10:02 AM jpa-: Birdman3131[m]: you could put toggle after each stepgen to divide the signal, but it won't raise the maximum step rate
10:12 AM mrec: jpa-: do you know what this machinekit is?
10:19 AM jpa-: mrec: machinekit is a fork of linuxcnc, modernizing some of the internal architecture & porting to some new platforms such as beaglebone; but to me the machinekit project doesn't appear particularly active anymore, and i'm not sure what its primary goals are nowadays
10:19 AM mrec: a fork or just something that integrates linuxcnc?
10:20 AM mrec: ya it doesn't seem to be much active
10:20 AM jpa-: i think it is a full fork, it changes a lot of the internals AFAIK
10:44 AM Tom_L: it was a fork that was created after the wichita fest several years back
10:44 AM Tom_L: there is little activity on it now
11:21 AM unterhaus_: most of the machinekit activity is people asking for help on the email list
11:22 AM silopolis[m]1: But you did it via sources.list right?
11:22 AM solarwind: FinboySlick I violated roycroft's sacred rule of "can't afford to buy something twice" and bought a cheap collet chuck
11:22 AM solarwind: it has slight runout in the taper/bore where the collet goes
11:22 AM roycroft: that's not a sacred rule by any means
11:22 AM roycroft: it's just a good general guideline
11:23 AM solarwind: Lathe spindle nose itself is spot on
11:23 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Join the club. I think mine has more run-out than my 3jaw chuck
11:23 AM FinboySlick: solarwind: Heresy! Repent!
11:23 AM solarwind: ZincBoy[CAON][m] oh right, I can drop by this weekend if you're available
11:23 AM roycroft: that's why we have shims :)
11:24 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Yes, I am around this weekend. Text me when you are on your way
11:24 AM * roycroft bought a cheap er40 collet chuck last year, but it's for his wood lathe
11:24 AM roycroft: a couple thousandths runout is not a big deal with that
11:25 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: A 5c collet chuck on a metal lathe is not too useful with 0.004" of runout 😛
11:25 AM roycroft: i spent more on the cheap collets than on the cheap collet holder
11:26 AM roycroft: that kind of defeats the purpose of a collet chuck
11:26 AM roycroft: 0.0004" of runout might be ok on a metal lathe collet chuck
11:28 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I would have been fine with 4 tenths but as it stands it is a nice paper weight. I think I will make it into a vertical chuck for the mill as I can probe to eliminate the offsets.
11:28 AM solarwind: ZincBoy[CAON][m] yeah, right now my 4 jaw is the only option
11:28 AM solarwind: but damn I am so excited to make a mount for that toolpost grinder and make some precision shafts
11:29 AM solarwind: Just have to figure out how to make precision bores next. Probably by mounting some kind of long nose die grinder
11:30 AM solarwind: First thing I'm going to make is a plunger for the syringes I use to do the initial lubrication on my air tools. The air tool oil causes the rubber in the syringe plunger to swell, so need to make a custom syringe with a nitrile O ring
11:32 AM pcw-home: <rmu> Yes, LinuxCNCs software stepgen and Hostmot2s hardware stepgen are very similar, in fact the name:kubstepgen stands for Kasunich UnBuffered stepgen. (Johm Kasunich wrote the original LinuxCNC stepgen component)
11:33 AM FinboySlick: solarwind: If you make it precise enough, you don't need o-rings.
11:33 AM solarwind: FinboySlick yeah, I've seen the glass syringes
11:33 AM solarwind: I would get one of those, but glass is not good in a workshop environment with concrete floors
11:34 AM solarwind: Those glass syringes are like air bearings. I have no idea how they achieve those tolerances
11:34 AM solarwind: I always thought glass blowing was rather crude, but I don't know much about it
11:34 AM FinboySlick: Well, I was thinking you could make it out of hardened steel.
11:35 AM FinboySlick: solarwind: They're lapped/ground to size. I don't think they just form them like that.
11:35 AM solarwind: It's a ~50mL syringe, not very big. Just not sure how to grind the ID
11:35 AM FinboySlick: You could lap it.
11:35 AM solarwind: OD can be done on a lathe, cylindrical grinder, centreless grinder
11:35 AM FinboySlick: Though it's easier to lap a thru hole.
11:35 AM solarwind: FinboySlick no idea how, I'll have to search some videos or something
11:36 AM solarwind: Yeah don't mind making it through hole and mechanically attaching the needle end to it with a screw thread or whatever
11:36 AM FinboySlick: ID lapping is relatively straightforeward.
11:37 AM FinboySlick: Turn some brass to the right size, split it so it has a bit of spring, put lapping compound on it, spin it in the hole.
11:38 AM FinboySlick: It can be tricky to avoid making the hole conical if it's deeper/longer.
11:38 AM solarwind: oh wow nice, I'll give it a shot. Would it work with mild steel?
11:39 AM FinboySlick: General rule is that your lapping tool should be softer than your workpiece. Aluminium would work too.
11:39 AM solarwind: I find jeweller's rouge works exceptionally well but only at high forces
11:40 AM solarwind: Just for the hell of it, I put a hardened centre punch into my drill, then drilled a hole in some softwood and filled it with jeweller's rouge, then just stuck it in the hole and spun it around with so much force that the wood started to smoke
11:40 AM solarwind: but the centre punch came out as shiny as a mirror
11:43 AM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8xaaUaTTY might be interesting to you.
11:46 AM FinboySlick: solarwind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DaOBPyo5e8 is probably more relevant. Peter is really cool.
11:50 AM solarwind: Excellent, thanks, I'll take a look
11:51 AM perry_j1987: mornin
11:54 AM solarwind: I'm also always a bit curious about the D1-4 taper on my spindle nose. Are the chucks sitting on the taper, or are they sitting on the flat part?
11:54 AM solarwind: It's such a precise fit that I can't really tell
11:56 AM rmu: if it doesn
11:56 AM rmu: t sit on the taper what is the point of it
11:58 AM jpa-: yeah, should sit on the taper and even have some tiny gap that you can detect with a shim
11:59 AM solarwind: Oh nice, I'll shine a light through and look for that
12:00 PM rmu: blue it up and look where it transfers
12:00 PM jpa-: also if it is inaccurate, i would expect it to touch at just one point on the circumference, yet that is already enough to cause runout
12:01 PM solarwind: rmu that's a good idea, thanks
12:34 PM perry_j1987: going to attempt to use a fly cutter for first time today
12:34 PM perry_j1987: on some 4037 steel
12:36 PM perry_j1987: on a lathe lol
12:36 PM perry_j1987: only machine i got that can do it on right now
12:41 PM perry_j1987: anyone want to wish me luck? haha
12:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Is Tormach using machinekit?
12:57 PM jpa-: AFAIK no
12:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I thought they are also using https://github.com/zultron/hal_ros_control/
12:59 PM jpa-: for what? robot arms or mills?
01:06 PM perry_j1987: far as i know they were just using linuxcnc with their own overlay path pilot
01:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://tormach.com/machines/robots.html
01:20 PM perry_j1987: when did they bring that out
01:20 PM perry_j1987: i hadnt heard anything
01:26 PM perry_j1987: just finished the video
01:26 PM perry_j1987: that looks pretty fun actually
01:30 PM jpa-: CaptHindsight[m]: hal_ros_control seems like it controls machinekit hardware interface from ROS high-level, while it seems from youtube videos that tormach ZA6 controls ROS from pathpilot/linuxcnc
01:32 PM jpa-: or it could be that they've implemented direct communication from pathpilot to ROS
01:33 PM jpa-: hmm, actually datasheet mentions machinekit also
01:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe they used Zultrons control as an example
01:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: I think it was~18 months ago
01:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I was working on a system with four 5-axis systems on one frame to operate on one quadrant each of a part simultaneously
01:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and somebody mentioned using the Tormach (Kuka) arms
01:36 PM perry_j1987: i know a warehouse near me with a ton of old kuka arms just sitting around
01:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Kuka has the craziest full of shit salespeople that I have ever met
01:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so I never use kuka
01:37 PM XXCoder: even if free?
01:38 PM XXCoder: though you'd need parts evenually hm
01:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: Kuka is like the Chevy of robots
01:38 PM XXCoder: remind me on chevy
01:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe closer to the Renault of cars, Chevy is actually pretty decent
01:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe closer
01:39 PM Tom_L: pcw-home, any word on getting hostmot2 pushed to 2.8?
01:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: unless you use their controls a robot arm is a kludge of parts, and all so secret they won't discuss any of the internals with you
01:42 PM XXCoder: yeah id avoid em then lol
01:50 PM pcw-home: Tom_L: I see someone created a 2.8.2 branch with a 2.9 hostmot2 driver
01:53 PM pcw-home: I guess I would need some good git instructions on how to update the current 2.8 with the latest hm2 driver
01:54 PM pcw-home: is it as simple as merging that branch with the latest 2.8?
02:07 PM miss0r: 'evening
02:40 PM rmu: pcw-home: git cherry-pick should do the trick
02:54 PM rmu: happy international beer day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdYnvcolmmk
03:19 PM perry1987: hi
03:19 PM miss0r: 'ello
03:20 PM perry1987: so hot in the shop today
03:22 PM miss0r: We've had 34c the last three days, which is rather ridicuouls here in denmark. Luckily we had a thunderstorm roll in last night, and today was a nice 17c. :) in other words: The AC in the shop didn't have to do as much work today keeping it at a nice 20c :D
03:25 PM perry1987: heh
03:27 PM * Tom_L is no git expert
03:41 PM unterhaus_: we are having thunder right now but no rain.
03:42 PM perry1987_ is now known as perry1987
03:45 PM pere: very happy to see that the pid component now have automatic tuning capabilities. :)
04:10 PM * JT-Shop used to git in trouble trying to use git
04:24 PM djsftree5725[m]: I'm jsut tring to use that now. 🙂 What settings should you use for velocity drives + position feedback?
04:29 PM Tom_L: it's officially hot here.
04:29 PM Tom_L: 102F
04:30 PM JT-Shop: that the actual or HI?
04:31 PM Tom_L: actual
04:31 PM Tom_L: i may try installing 11 & lcnc once more and see if it gripes about that lib again
04:32 PM Tom_L: a day to celebrate! the 2 & 4 yr old are finally moving to their place today!!
04:33 PM JT-Shop: awesome
04:33 PM JT-Shop: now they can come and visit while you spoil them then send them home
04:34 PM Tom_L: exactly
04:34 PM JT-Shop: I'm going to build pu4a in the am then try and build with docs
04:34 PM Tom_L: yeah i'd like to know how to build that as well
04:34 PM Tom_L: if i knew how i'd try it this evening
04:35 PM Tom_L: from TurBoss's link?
04:35 PM JT-Shop: <TurBoss> I cloned https://github.com/mquinson/po4a and ran `perl Build.PL` `/Build`and I skipped the install step and added po4a to `PATH` in`bashrc`
04:35 PM JT-Shop: I think that's enough of a clue
04:35 PM Tom_L: i've never had to add something to a linux path
04:36 PM JT-Shop: # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
04:36 PM JT-Shop: if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then
04:36 PM JT-Shop: PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
04:36 PM JT-Shop: fi
04:36 PM JT-Shop: an example
04:37 PM Tom_L: what's the po4a compiled file extension?
04:37 PM JT-Shop: dunno, haven't done it yet
04:37 PM Tom_L: k
04:37 PM * JT-Shop gets back to making a #12-20 brass funny head screw
04:38 PM Tom_L: that was on your plate before the pc quit wasn't it?
04:39 PM JT-Shop: that and cleaning the CHNC coolant tank and the whole lathe by the time I was done
04:52 PM pere: djsftree5725[m]: settings?
04:59 PM Tom_L: can't locate Module/Build.PL
05:02 PM perry_j1987: CaptHindsight[m] you around
05:07 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, do you have to set up the environment somehow first?
05:09 PM roycroft: our excessive heat warning has been cancelled
05:09 PM roycroft: so perhaps the weekend will be tolerable
05:10 PM * roycroft would like that
05:10 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i get this running that command: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-SHOP/po4a_build_error.txt
05:12 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I'll look at it in the morning, it does look like something for perl is missing
05:12 PM Tom_L: ok
05:13 PM JT-Shop: try sudo apt install libmodule-build-perl
05:15 PM Tom_L: missing META.json and META.yml. please inform the author
05:16 PM Tom_L: created MYMETA.yml and MYMETA.json creating new 'Build' script for po4a version 1.68
05:17 PM djsftree5725[m]: at pid type and what ini FF01,FF1, etc
05:17 PM Tom_L: 0.68
05:17 PM Tom_L: sry
05:21 PM Tom_L: ok
05:21 PM Tom_L: perl Build.PL then perl build
05:22 PM Tom_L: s/build/Build
05:22 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, got it working?
05:22 PM Tom_L: yay
05:22 PM Tom_L: i think it just compiled at least
05:22 PM Tom_L: ^^
05:22 PM JT-Shop: did it need that library?
05:22 PM Tom_L: i added it
05:23 PM JT-Shop: ok
05:23 PM Tom_L: that helped yes
05:24 PM Tom_L: yeah.. clone, cd p04a, perl Build.PL, perl build
05:24 PM Tom_L: after adding that lib
05:30 PM JT-Shop: awesome, I'll do the same in the morning and update debian 11 emc
05:32 PM JT-Shop: debian 13 menus are screwed up, linuxcnc shows up all over the place lol
05:32 PM JT-Shop: didn't check the rest
05:40 PM Tom_L: you building 2.8 or 2.9?
05:40 PM Tom_L: on debian11
05:40 PM JT-Shop: debian 11 is only python 3 so it has to be 2.9
05:41 PM JT-Shop: if debian 11 had python 2 I'd not bother with all that po crap and just build 2.8
05:41 PM Tom_L: oh ok
05:42 PM Tom_L: running debuild
05:42 PM Tom_L: debian/configure uspace
05:42 PM JT-Shop: don't need uspace IIRC just debian/configure
05:42 PM Tom_L: right
05:43 PM Tom_L: previous versions still do i think
05:43 PM JT-Shop: yep
05:43 PM JT-Shop: 2.7 maybe
05:43 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:43 PM JT-Shop: don't have to build them as there are debs for debian 9 and 10
05:43 PM Tom_L: right
05:45 PM * JT-Shop heads inside to cook some brats on the grill
05:46 PM andypugh: I assume you mean Bratwurst rather than naughty children?
05:46 PM _unreal_: I'd still eat em
05:46 PM _unreal_: "lamb" always a treat ;)
05:46 PM Tom_L: seems to be building the docs so far
05:47 PM andypugh: Does anyone here watch “New Yorkshire Workshop” in YouTube? He’s currently building a wooden-framed router (though with a very beefy steel gantry).
05:50 PM andypugh: https://youtu.be/BHy-AX4ZnNI
05:50 PM andypugh: (Nearly 2 hours, and no sound, but surprisingly watchable)
05:51 PM andypugh: (As he has popped up on the forum, I am pretty sure it will be LinuxCNC.)
05:54 PM andypugh: One very intersting thing he does is builld a temporary wooden gantry to grind his steel gantry,
06:01 PM XXCoder: andy yeah watched that
06:01 PM XXCoder: pretty awesome
06:17 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, still get the same build error
06:17 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:18 PM Tom_dev: make: *** [../docs/src/Submakefile:479: ../docs/src/es/Master_Documentation.pdf] Error 1
06:18 PM Tom_dev: make: Leaving directory '/home/tom/master/src'
06:18 PM Tom_dev: make: *** [debian/rules:57: override_dh_auto_build-indep] Error 2
06:18 PM Tom_dev: make: Leaving directory '/home/tom/master'
06:18 PM Tom_dev: make: *** [debian/rules:39: build] Error 2
06:18 PM Tom_dev: dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2
06:18 PM Tom_dev: debuild: fatal error at line 1182
06:20 PM Tom_L: it did however build the code
06:20 PM Tom_L: as with no-docs
06:22 PM Tom_L: i'll wait for your results...
06:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: back
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: gum rubber is not the same as crepe rubber
06:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have a 12 x 12 in eraser now
06:29 PM perry_j1987: ended up ordering one online
06:29 PM perry_j1987: was going to see if you knew any places around here that had nema23 stepper mounts for sfu1204
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a VFD?
06:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe automation technologies is all for local
06:30 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I make my own and have lots of take-offs from used positioners
06:30 PM perry_j1987: ya was thinking of making one but im running low on scrap alum
06:30 PM perry_j1987: ended up ordering one for 30 bucks
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/ball-nut-mountbracket-nut-mount
06:32 PM perry_j1987: https://amzn.to/3p0NS3U got this
06:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: https://us.misumi-ec.com/ might have something local
06:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: besides those two distis, https://www.jwwinco.com/en-us/home and Mcmaster have things local, there are a few others but they don't have online catalogs
06:39 PM perry_j1987: ok
06:39 PM perry_j1987: ty
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Chicago still has a shitload of automation component distis but you have to dig around or call to find things
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: bearings, motors, etc
06:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pacific bearing and rockford ballscrew are still in Rockford
06:40 PM perry_j1987: how are rockford ballscrews prices competitive?
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they seem to always have a 1 week lead time but they make good stuff
06:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's not a Chinese screw or price
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Hiwin is in Elgin
06:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: same for https://www.automation-overstock.com/
06:43 PM perry_j1987: Automation Overstock has purchased the remaining USA factory inventory of HIWIN AG and LG blocks and rail.
06:43 PM perry_j1987: listed on their site
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.automation4less.com/store/hiwinlegacy.asp
06:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I can get just about any bearing in any size for anything local but
06:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it will take several calls and they will stock the bearing along with mops, plungers and party supplies
06:45 PM perry_j1987: lol
06:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and they won't have clue what the bearings is or its specs
06:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just old industrial suppliers with access to just about anything
06:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I even ordered custom ballscrews from Tompson from a place that also carried lawn mower parts and similar
06:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they didn't know what I was talking about but I got pricing within hours and delivery in a few days
06:47 PM perry_j1987: so odd lol
06:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you just need to have the part numbers
06:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a few years ago I could find one set of any bearing, even spindle bearings that cost $2-3K on Amazon for 75% off list, and they were legit
06:50 PM _unreal_: https://youtu.be/AOXWC_5xXJA
06:51 PM _unreal_: skip to like 8-10min LOL you'll be going gaaaaaaaa....................
06:54 PM andypugh: Hmm, well, I can defintely now say that after 15 years, bits of dead animals _really_ don’t look delicious.
06:55 PM XXCoder: used to work chopping them?
06:56 PM andypugh: One day I jointed 50 chickens, I used to work as a cook.
06:56 PM _unreal_: 50 chickens is the name of the food court?
06:58 PM andypugh: Actully, it’s more complicated, around chicken 45, swinging the knife to go through the breast-bone in one, I found my thumb instead.
06:58 PM t4nk_fn: ? what happened?
06:58 PM _unreal_: they didnt eat chicken
06:59 PM _unreal_: lol
06:59 PM andypugh: As I was working on the US (on a girls’ summer camp) I found out a lot about US healthcare (good) and the pricing (terrifying)
06:59 PM t4nk_fn: so you cut it off?
06:59 PM _unreal_: WOW amc running like a mofo STOCK in the last min of after hours traiding
07:00 PM andypugh: Nah, human thumbs are quite tough compared to chicken sternums. It just left me with a scar on the knuckle.
07:00 PM t4nk_fn: scary man..
07:01 PM _unreal_: hehe they didnt eat chicken LOL
07:01 PM t4nk_fn: it's scary how feable we actually are
07:01 PM _unreal_: bbiab running to red box
07:02 PM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
07:03 PM andypugh: But, my real point was that I argued myself into a corner in 2006 and was left with no option but to become vegetarian, or be plagued by inconsistent worldviews.
07:04 PM XXCoder: perfectly fine to me
07:04 PM t4nk_fn: I'd be a vegetarian if I had to kill my own
07:04 PM XXCoder: basically same
07:08 PM t4nk_fn: but I do like meat a lot ;)
07:09 PM t4nk_fn: though I've been eating less and less pork in the past years
07:10 PM t4nk_fn: also less cow I guess
07:10 PM t4nk_fn: been ages since I ate minced meat, used to buy half/half all the time
07:12 PM t4nk_fn: and I also strongly dislike fish
07:15 PM XXCoder: I love raw fish... in sushi
07:18 PM roycroft: i've been a pescatarian since the late '70s
07:20 PM XXCoder: im been on seefood diet for years excepting that 8 months of keto to get rid of autobrewery
07:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: andypugh: have been try Branston on several uhmerican foods
07:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: interesting pickled richness
07:36 PM andypugh: I like raw fish, or, at least I did last time I ate it.
07:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: good fish in the midwest is difficult to find, you guys near coasts have it easy
07:37 PM andypugh: “What’s the best birthday present for a vegetarian who eats fish?”
07:37 PM andypugh: “A dictionary:
07:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: good Bangers are available from one local source
07:39 PM andypugh: I was especially fond of rollmop herrings. I think that they should travel with no problem, being pickled.
07:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: herring we get plenty of varieties of
07:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pickled or pickled with sour cream in several European styles
07:41 PM t4nk_fn: lol
07:42 PM t4nk_fn: I don't know what it is, but once every couple of years.. I see a jar of 'rolmopsen' in the supermarket and I go crazy and buy one
07:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Korean grocers tend to have live fish in tanks
07:42 PM t4nk_fn: then I get home, take 1 little bite... and never touch the jar again
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: everything else is frozen
07:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: t4nk_fn: Dutch Brand?
07:44 PM t4nk_fn: yeah, it's 'rolmops' in dutch those pickled herrings, 'haring'
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: most of the German delis around here have closed
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: several Polish delis though
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: very good stuff made in house
07:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: one Russian deli
07:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/05/11/dining/11hmart8/11hmart8-videoSixteenByNine1050.png
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://media.timeout.com/images/101478535/750/422/image.jpg
07:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: limited selection, some shellfish and usually Talapia and couple others
08:05 PM t4nk_fn: see.. now That would be a show-stopper for me; see it swim around merrily, and then have it on my plate
08:05 PM t4nk_fn: 'that fat one please'
08:28 PM CaptHindsight[m]: t4nk_fn: I'd like "the one mocking me", "who's laughing now!"
08:59 PM roycroft: i just got an email from 80/20 saying my order has shipped
09:00 PM roycroft: so much for their 7-10 day lead time
09:00 PM * roycroft ordered two days go
09:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from IDIANA!
09:00 PM roycroft: this is excellent - i should not have to worry about a parcel arriving while i'm on my camping trip
09:01 PM roycroft: the sucky thing today is that i decided to make a dock for my festool domino machine, so i can more easily and accurately cut slots in small parts
09:02 PM roycroft: making such a thing would require a lot of carefule measurement, and probably a couple or three mock-ups
09:02 PM roycroft: so i bought a set of plans from some guy who makes the docks and sells them, and also sells the plans
09:03 PM roycroft: i just spent two hours making parts, making sure they were within 1/64" or less of spec, and when i went to assemble it the machine would not even begin to fit in it
09:04 PM roycroft: i suppose i could look at it as $12 spent avoiding to have to take the initial measurements, and making a first mock-up that at least resembles what i need
09:04 PM roycroft: but i need to use this tomorrow - i don't want to have to make more mock-ups
09:05 PM roycroft: i may only need to remake one part to make it work - i'll figure that out after dinner or in the morning