#linuxcnc Logs

Aug 02 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:22 AM roycroft: it is so much nicer tonight than it's been for the past week
12:32 AM XXCoder: yep
02:10 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
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02:29 AM Centurion_Dan1 is now known as Centurion_Dan
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04:33 AM Tom_L: morning
04:44 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:48 AM JT-Cave: debian 10.12 just installed ok after d/l again and burning to the sd
04:50 AM Tom_L: yay
05:35 AM JT-Cave: I got some huge rounds to split this morning... may get 2 or 3 done dunno
05:36 AM JT-Cave: hope I don't have to quarter them to get them on the splitter
05:45 AM JT-Cave: running into dependency not satisfiable with http://linuxcnc.org/dists/buster/2.8-rtpreempt/binary-amd64/linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.2_amd64.deb
05:45 AM JT-Cave: on debian 10.12
05:48 AM JT-Cave: looks like python-gtksourceview2 is only on debian 9 but the deb for debian 10 still has it as a dependency how fucked up is that
06:52 AM JT-Cave: debian 10 is done... on to debian 11 tomorrow
07:03 AM Tom_L: yeah i ran into that same issue with gtksourceview2
07:08 AM JT-MachineShop: I fixed it :)
07:09 AM Tom_L: the deb?
07:09 AM Tom_L: i took it out of the build
07:09 AM JT-MachineShop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-10-emc.html
07:12 AM Tom_L: were those there or did you add them?
07:13 AM Tom_L: that should work for 11+ as well
07:14 AM Tom_L: debian is a funny animal
07:15 AM Tom_L: some packages you get from sid and some you gotta go backwards for
07:15 AM Tom_L: but to build 2.9 will be different if not just for the new docs format
07:25 AM JT-MachineShop: I added the debian 9 repository
07:27 AM Tom_L: i see that now
07:28 AM Tom_L: something else will have to be done for 2.9
07:48 AM perry_j1987: morning
07:49 AM norias: morning
07:58 AM JT-MachineShop: I'm not even going to try to install 2.9 on debian 10 or 11
07:58 AM JT-MachineShop: 2.9 is so screwed up I'll only install it on 12 and 13
08:02 AM silopolis[m]1: As it is meant to be πŸ™‚
08:04 AM silopolis[m]: And why do you say it is "so screwed up"
08:04 AM Tom_L: because of dependencies
08:04 AM Tom_L: po4a for 1
08:04 AM Tom_L: then there is a code error i get when you compile without docs
08:05 AM Tom_L: po4a 0.62 iirc is available but 0.66 is needed
08:06 AM Tom_L: compiling on bullseye anyway
08:14 AM Tom_L: if it is 'meant to be' it would be nice if that was put out there for all to see
08:15 AM perry_j1987: what version of linuxcnc is tormach using?
08:49 AM silopolis[m]: 2.9 is unreleased development version and as such by nature exposed to breakage and not meant for daily use.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/53c7c65d9be8f8637cdb24539ee7ebf52be1a8da)
08:50 AM silopolis[m]: <Tom_L> "then there is a code error i get..." <- Is it reported in a GH issue? Else it doesn't exist! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈπŸ˜¬
09:11 AM JT-Cave: well crap there are no debs for debian 11 at linuxcnc.org/dists
09:22 AM JT-Cave: hmm no buildbot.linuxcnc.org debs either
09:27 AM JT-Cave: and the docs are out of date...
09:42 AM perry_j1987: how do you guys calculate your quotes
09:51 AM JT-Cave: for building equipment it's 2 times the cost of components including at least 25% profit on components
09:55 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: For machining I quote an hourly rate for programming, 25% markup on materials, and machine time based on estimated cycle time. The machine cost/hour is based on depreciation, consumables usage, and overhead. Then if it looks like too much work for what that spits out I add an annoyance multiplier πŸ™‚
10:04 AM roycroft: i've never added a percentage like that
10:04 AM roycroft: i've always just added a flat nuisance fee to potentially troublesome clients' quotes
10:05 AM roycroft: i think i like making it a multiplier instead of a flat fee
10:08 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I find the multiplier works better for me since it scales with the job. I also forgot to mention that I have a minimum charge as well. If the quote comes to less than that, the minimum gets applied.
10:10 AM JT-Cave: for machining or call outs it's $75 an hour plus materials * 25%
10:11 AM JT-Cave: speaking of this it's time to punch in and go to work
10:47 AM unterhaus_: I thought you were retired
10:56 AM roycroft: his boss refused to let him retire, i think
11:17 AM silopolis[m]: JT-Cave: TurBoss @TurBoss:jauriarts.org has built master for 11 he's coming with the link
11:18 AM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Cave: https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/linuxcnc_debs/ lcnc 2.9 debs for 11
11:18 AM silopolis[m]: Here ⬆️ lol
11:19 AM silopolis[m]: CaptHindsight: thanks πŸ‘
11:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I post that link nearly every day for the past week
11:19 AM CaptHindsight[m]: on the verge of spam
11:20 AM travis_farmer[m]: lol
11:21 AM CaptHindsight[m]: maybe one of the bots can just post it daily as a community service
11:21 AM silopolis[m]: Seen that seb_kuzminsky has made the transition to po4a 0.67 on buidbot in the last days. I hope we'll be able to have fresh packages before long...
11:42 AM CaptHindsight[m]: silopolis: NO FAIR "Master should be built on Debian Testing and current release on Debian Stable" you can't just say testing or stable, you have also include the name and the number of the version of Debian, they each can't have three different names :)
11:44 AM CaptHindsight[m]: decoder ring: Debian Stable Bullseye #11, Debian Testing Bookworm #12. Is this accurate?
11:46 AM c101horse[m]: guys, if i do my tool touch offs with feeler gauges for a tool table z offset, do i add or subtract the feeler gauge in the offset?
11:46 AM CaptHindsight[m]: I propose that Debian Unstable be renamed to Debian Teenager to make it more clear
12:11 PM jpa-: c101horse[m]: the reference point for tool table offsets is arbitrary anyway, usually you choose some reference tool or reference surface as 0 - so just measure it with the same feeler gauge
12:22 PM c101horse[m]: thats what im doing, but what i mean is, im using my probe as a refference tool, that touching the bed being 0 offset. now when i put in a mill and go down to the bed with it i get a - value when touching the feeler gauge. now lets say its -18.00 with a .40 feeler gauge, do make the offset -17.60 or -18.40?
12:22 PM roycroft: you know, even with shipping, buying extrusions cut to length from 80/20 is about as cheap as getting the random quality, random shipping schedule stuff from china
12:22 PM roycroft: now to find the deal extrusion profile for my project
12:28 PM jpa-: c101horse[m]: i would say -18.40
12:28 PM roycroft: that depends on whether touching down is a positive or negative z axis movement
12:28 PM jpa-: (assuming negative Z moves tool towards bed)
12:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have to drive 20 miles to buy t-slot made 2 miles from me
12:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 40 miles RT
12:32 PM silopolis[m]: <CaptHindsight[m]> "decoder ring: Debian Stable..." <- Yep
12:32 PM CaptHindsight[m]: too many names :)
12:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have other distros to worry about
12:33 PM CaptHindsight[m]: fedora is on v876
12:33 PM c101horse[m]: after just going for it and hoping it didnt crash it turned out that thats the way to do it on my machine
12:34 PM silopolis[m]: So linuxcnc stable release on Debian Stable (currrently 11/Bullseye)
12:34 PM silopolis[m]: Master on Debian Testing (currently to become 12/Bookworm)
12:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and Debian Sid/teenager is a rolling distro like arch
12:35 PM silopolis[m]: <CaptHindsight[m]> "I propose that Debian Unstable..." <- She's called Sid from the beginning I believe πŸ™‚
01:07 PM c101horse[m]: aight, ran into another problem
01:09 PM c101horse[m]: now that i've set myself a tool table with the Z offsets, when i run a program it hovers the mill above the workpiece, like its not using the tool table offsets. is it something Gcode related i have to fix or maybe my workflow? i probed my workpiece before i opened the Gcode
01:12 PM djsftree5725[m]: A repeat posted in qtpyvcp
01:12 PM djsftree5725[m]: Hi! Any devs here avaiable for a custom qtpyvcp ui and probe routine? Paid work!
01:12 PM djsftree5725[m]: I have a probe mounted 180deg to the spindle on my robot. I wondered what the best way to do this might be? Perhaps T1 would be the spindle, T2 would be the probe. A "tool change" routine would lift the Z axis somewhere safe, then rotate 180. I'd need to figure out a simple probe calibration routine too. Machine a small pocket say 10mm square in some soft tooling board then probe the hole for any offsets in the joint movement.
01:12 PM * djsftree5725[m] uploaded an image: (537KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/SUGKRRDeOEWUPAomCaexVdBh/unknown.png >
01:12 PM djsftree5725[m]: anyone interested? - if so, please message me on discord.
01:28 PM roycroft: djsftree5725: you might get more response if you post to the forum
01:45 PM c101horse[m]: Oh god damn it, after finally having solved my tools offset problems it throws me a damn latency error when i wanted to finally run my program and make a partπŸ˜‘
01:46 PM Tom_L: increase the servo period
01:47 PM roycroft: give it all some more juice
01:47 PM roycroft: double the mains voltage
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: silopolis: are there LinuxCNC 2.8 (stable) debs for Debian 11 Bullseye (stable)?
01:58 PM c101horse[m]: If it keeps misbehaving ill feed it 3phase
02:01 PM roycroft: if that doesn't work feed it 7 phase
02:01 PM roycroft: you might have to go all the way to 2.2 gigawatts though
02:01 PM roycroft: so be prepared
02:02 PM roycroft: i hope you have your mr. fusion handy
02:11 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:12 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight[m], if there are any debs for debian 11 they are well hidden because I can't find them anywhere
02:13 PM roguish[m]: JT-Shop: what the heck ya doing? going out on the bleeding edge...?
02:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/linuxcnc_debs/
02:13 PM JT-Shop: debian 11 ain't the bleeding edge... lol I'm running debian 13 down in the beer cave
02:14 PM roguish[m]: isn't that bad luck? 13....
02:14 PM JT-Shop: could be if you believe in that sorta stuff
02:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: debian 12 + 1
02:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: now its safe
02:14 PM roguish[m]: good market today. Tesla is up again. I'm back in the black...
02:16 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight[m], looks like they just building the debs for 2.9
02:17 PM JT-Shop: coolant showed up today so just need to flush the pump on the chnc and put the coolant tank back in
02:17 PM roguish[m]: does anyone know the full status of the python 2 to 3 update, and all the stuff that comes with it?
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roguish[m]: yes, LCNC 2.9 is all Python3 now
02:18 PM roguish[m]: sure would be nice to have a status log in 1 place for all to see and add to.
02:19 PM roguish[m]: it's getting really confusing.....
02:19 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Are you calling G43 to apply the tool offset and is your gcode setting the same work offset as when you probed? G54-G59.3 are the work offsets.
02:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if you manage to fins any Python2 send out an alert
02:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: fins/find
02:20 PM silopolis[m]: <CaptHindsight[m]> "silopolis: are there LinuxCNC 2...." <- Doesn't looks like there is.... I fear it may be a python 3 thing 😬
02:20 PM c101horse[m]: I had not thought of the wco, that might be the problem
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02:24 PM c101horse[m]: This is what i have now, non working
02:26 PM JT-Cave: 2.8 doesn't use python 3...
02:27 PM JT-Cave: hmm 11 doesn't have python 2 so it is a python thing for 2.8
02:28 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You probed in the G54 work offset? Also why are you doing a G54 G0 Z0 before applying tool offsets. This can cause unintended behavior (crash) depending on the last offsets. If anything that should be a G53 machine coordinate moved to Z 0.
02:29 PM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: sounds like the older versions are being left behind....deprecated
02:29 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I usually would do a T2 M6 G43 instead of a G43 H2 though both should work
02:31 PM c101horse[m]: the g54 g0 z0 was a dumb attempt to get shit working
02:31 PM c101horse[m]: it was a g53 before i changed it
02:32 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Okay, good. Glad to hear the fusion post wasn't horribly broken πŸ™‚
02:33 PM c101horse[m]: when i keep the the Tn M6 command in the line of code fusion spits out it doesnt want to work at all
02:33 PM c101horse[m]: i've had this with all the gui's i tried so far
02:34 PM c101horse[m]: again, probably something stupid i did myself but i have no idea in which corner to look for it
02:35 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Can you do a M61 Q2 instead to set the current tool to #2 without toolchange? G43 will need to be called after this.
02:35 PM c101horse[m]: do you mean, put that in the Gcode i have or do an MDI command?
02:36 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Put it in the gcode. Or do it in mdi to see if the right offsets are applied. The DRO should update and read the expected values when it is setup right.
02:37 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Most likely the tool change pins in HAL need to be hooked up in the right way. Most of the guis have a post-gui.hal that needs to be configured.
02:45 PM JT-Shop: anyone seen the nut for the filter on my ridgid shop vac?
02:46 PM XXCoder: its behind you right now
02:46 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: It's under the counter.... no the other one
02:48 PM * roycroft bets it's in a chicken's gullet
02:51 PM * c101horse[m] uploaded an image: (6240KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/VbKXCKLRguoWkYylTdZXhXCT/20220802_215011.jpg >
02:51 PM c101horse[m]: I now have this, no change, M61 Q2 G43 works fine as an MDI command
02:52 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, loses I found it next to the BP knee mill
02:52 PM JT-Shop: on to the next task... put the CHNC back together
02:59 PM c101horse[m]: FOUND THE CULPRIT
02:59 PM c101horse[m]: line 17
03:00 PM JT-Shop: and I was betting on line 16
03:01 PM c101horse[m]: euh
03:01 PM c101horse[m]: line 18
03:01 PM c101horse[m]: my bad
03:06 PM * JT-Shop has the rest of the week off!
03:12 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: that should not even be valid. G43 does not take a Z word. I don't even know what that would do?
03:13 PM c101horse[m]: its more the H3 that should be an H2 that was the problem
03:15 PM mrec: G43 Hn?
03:15 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Yes but it hurts my eyes. The Z move should be on a separate line. You really need to know your word precedence to know how that is going to parse. Will it go to Z13 before or after the G43 is applied?
03:16 PM c101horse[m]: no clue thats how fusion spit it out
03:17 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Sorry, I spent a long time working weird bugs and corner cases out of the bobcad post because of things like this πŸ™‚
03:17 PM c101horse[m]: only bit i screwed with before were line 11 and 12
03:17 PM djsftree5725[m]: Hi! Is there a Fusion 360 post that incorporates LinuxCNC compatible probing ops / G-code?
03:20 PM * JT-Shop gave up on BobCrap pretty fast years ago
03:22 PM djsftree5725[m]: spotted these in the post especially
03:22 PM djsftree5725[m]: function onCyclePoint(x, y, z) {... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/17e6c6aceb5ed5a9201ca20db41335d4d4a3a5ec)
03:23 PM djsftree5725[m]: a google of those and linuxcnc - no results.
03:24 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: There aren't any standard gcode macros for probing on linuxcnc. Those are likely either tormach or someone who wrote the posts macros.
03:25 PM djsftree5725[m]: ah, i I might be able mod the post to spit out the relevant movements and macro calls?
03:26 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: For sure. All you have is G38.n codes though. You need to write everything else yourself.
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03:28 PM djsftree5725[m]: If anyone wants to tackle this for the comminity I can donate! It's also missing from the tormach post....
03:29 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have been writing a bunch of macros that started as part of the probe screen NG codebase.
03:29 PM roycroft: i suggested earlier that you post your request to the forum, djsftree5725
03:30 PM roycroft: you'll reach a much larger audience
03:30 PM roycroft: and thus increase the chance you'll find someone willing and able to do the custom coding work for yo
03:30 PM roycroft: u
03:31 PM djsftree5725[m]: https://github.com/cpsdev/DATRON-post-development/blob/83bee1d1c399142bdaca7b61d9b507cdd22f09e3/datron%20trunnion%20mcr%20english.cps#L1347
03:32 PM djsftree5725[m]: you can see how datrno have done the probe / math / routines there.
03:34 PM djsftree5725[m]: is there a specific form area for job postings?
03:35 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Here is my generic probe function. Works in any direction and can be used to build all of the other functions. https://pastebin.com/iQNmrJGR
03:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: I'm sure I'm just dense. Is there a way to set a hal pin with the value stored in a numbered parameter in the .var file Something like
03:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: ```
03:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: setp xyzac-trt-kins.x-rot-point #4000
03:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: ```
03:46 PM sliptonicBradCol: Better yet, link the hal pin so it updates if .var updates?
03:46 PM Tom_L: not directly
03:46 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/33657-save-variables
03:50 PM djsftree5725[m]: Thanks!
03:54 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: sliptonic (Brad Collette) the M66/M68 codes are the only way I have found to get access to the interpreter memory locations. I have python code for memory read/write that works quite well. It just feels a bit kludgy.
04:32 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
04:33 PM roycroft: swimmingly
04:34 PM * JT-Shop is off for the rest of the week
04:35 PM XXCoder: vacation?
04:35 PM * roycroft is always a bit off
04:36 PM XXCoder: knew it
04:36 PM XXCoder: ;)
04:36 PM JT-Shop: finished the Whirlpool automatic I think...
04:37 PM JT-Shop: going to wait till next week to start on the double chucker
04:37 PM * roycroft shakes his head
04:37 PM roycroft: i have a pissed off customer
04:37 PM roycroft: i sent her an email telling her we're changing her email password weeks before the change
04:38 PM roycroft: i sent her a link to a secure document that contains her new password
04:38 PM roycroft: i sent her three reminder emails that we're changing her password
04:38 PM roycroft: last week i changed her password
04:38 PM roycroft: today she's all pissed off about it, complaining that she hasn't been able to get her email for a week
04:39 PM roycroft: i reminded her that she was told four times that we're changing her password
04:39 PM roycroft: she said "i saw those emails but i did not think i would have to change my password"
04:39 PM roycroft: and now she's demanding that i restore her old one, that she does not know and that i never knew
04:40 PM Tom_L: she deserves what she gets
04:40 PM roycroft: this domain only has 40 customers
04:40 PM roycroft: but they are all old people, and mostly realtors
04:40 PM XXCoder: that is why bsfh exists
04:40 PM roycroft: it's been the most difficult migration of any domains we've done
04:41 PM roycroft: which is why i saved it until the next to the last one
04:42 PM XXCoder: roy you know of bsfh?
04:42 PM XXCoder: probably not your style of humor but yeah
04:43 PM roycroft: no, i don't
04:44 PM roycroft: if it's snarky i'm probably not too interested
04:44 PM roycroft: i got tired of snarky a while back
04:44 PM XXCoder: early years is pretty ... bad lol. later ones yeah super snarky
04:44 PM XXCoder: thats why i thought it wouldnt be your style
04:52 PM perry_j1987: looking for some tooling options to thread the backside of a part before parting it off
04:52 PM perry_j1987: its like a threaded reducer so i need to machine it in one direction to have access for internal features etc
04:52 PM perry_j1987: cant find anything with enough reach in threading tools though
04:53 PM perry_j1987: thinking of just doing them with the threadmill on a fixture plate as a second op
05:05 PM sliptonicBradCol: I've searched the forum and found bupkis on this. Does anyone know what the userk mode is? https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/configs/sim/axis/vismach/5axis/table-rotary-tilting/xyzac-trt.txt#L7
05:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Gentoo ebuild for LCNC 2.9 (master) https://github.com/NTULINUX/ntu_overlay/blob/main/sci-electronics/linuxcnc/linuxcnc-9999-r3.ebuild
05:10 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Isn't that meant to be a placeholder for your custom kinematics module?
05:10 PM sliptonicBradCol: Ahh. Makes sense. Thanks
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man9/userkins.9.html
05:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/kins.9.html
05:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Intel kernel situation is so bad now that 5.18 runs with 10x worse latency than a 5.10
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all I have a dual core celeron to test with
05:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: everything else is AMD
05:37 PM perry_j1987: hmm i cant seem to adjust the initial depth of threads on fusion 360 cam
05:38 PM perry_j1987: ah got it
05:38 PM perry_j1987: constant feed lets you adjust it
05:38 PM perry_j1987: reduced feed for some reason loads it heavy first pass and then consecutive threads are much smaller depth...
05:39 PM perry_j1987: look at me guys im learnin! :P
05:39 PM roycroft: i won't tell
05:39 PM perry_j1987: you better not!
05:46 PM XXCoder: ugh I hate long waits on calls to just fail to do anything
05:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: please hold
05:47 PM * XXCoder shoots CaptHindsight[m]
05:47 PM XXCoder: hold THIS
05:47 PM roycroft: as least you weren't told to shut up when you said "hello"
05:47 PM XXCoder: indeed lol
05:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I forget do we buy or sell electronics company stocks now?
05:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: the sales consultant as Rockler advised me that the gum rubber stock would be very difficult to reshape
05:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: at room temp I used a serrated knife with water as lube to slit to desired thickness, then I made circular cutting dies from steel pipe by "sharpening" one end with a grinder, made perfect circular wheels
05:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from a rectangular rubber bar
05:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i didn't use a BZZZzzzzz thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyRW27QkEl4&t=28s
05:58 PM perry_j1987: What causes pauses in gcode?
05:59 PM perry_j1987: its doing a pause after using one of the tools but not others
06:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: you mean without using a pause G04?
06:00 PM perry_j1987: let me check what its generating
06:01 PM roycroft: are you about, xxcoder?
06:02 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:03 PM roycroft: i need a brownish filament for some of the boxes i'm printing
06:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: please hold
06:03 PM roycroft: the closest i've found at atomic is a metallic bronze, which would be fine with me
06:03 PM XXCoder: I have roll of that I think, but its old version of bronze filament
06:03 PM roycroft: but is a metallic filament going to cause more wear on my extruder and nozzle than non-metallic?
06:03 PM XXCoder: not at all
06:03 PM roycroft: https://atomicfilament.com/collections/opaque-pla-filaments-1/products/bronze-metallic-pla-filament?variant=18643518593
06:04 PM roycroft: that's what i'm looking at
06:04 PM roycroft: and that's good
06:04 PM roycroft: there's a khaki color, but that would be rather ugly, i should think
06:04 PM XXCoder: thats bit darker than mine. v3 or something I guess
06:04 PM XXCoder: sample print pictures look good
06:04 PM roycroft: i have heaps of ceramic coated deck screws
06:04 PM roycroft: brown would be a good color box for those, because the screws are brown
06:05 PM XXCoder: yeah hide the screws ;)
06:05 PM roycroft: i'm actualy close to finishing with the stuff that's on the wall
06:05 PM XXCoder: nah it shouldnt be issue
06:05 PM roycroft: so i'll be printing boxes for my stuff that has never been organized soon
06:05 PM roycroft: i expect i'll find a lot of things i did not have
06:05 PM roycroft: and probably a lot of duplicates
06:05 PM roycroft: so i can go with the bronze
06:06 PM roycroft: it costs a couple dollars more than the non-metallic, but i don't care at this point
06:06 PM XXCoder: whats interesting is current version looks more "oxided bronze" than mine
06:06 PM roycroft: it looks like its probably rather attractive
06:06 PM perry_j1987: CaptHindsight[m] i dont see any g04
06:06 PM XXCoder: https://atomicfilament.com/collections/opaque-pla-filaments-1/products/translucent-starry-night-pla
06:06 PM XXCoder: I have very rare now v1
06:07 PM XXCoder: it dont look as good as that v3 lol
06:08 PM * roycroft is using royal blue for his blue filament
06:08 PM XXCoder: I agree on khaki
06:08 PM roycroft: and pefect purple for the purple
06:08 PM perry_j1987: jeff does a good job at atomic for sure
06:08 PM XXCoder: yep
06:08 PM roycroft: it's expensive stuff
06:08 PM roycroft: but i've wasted so much time and money on cheaper filaments
06:08 PM roycroft: i've learned my lesson - i'll just buy atomic
06:09 PM roycroft: and it will always work
06:09 PM roycroft: it's always the same lesson
06:09 PM roycroft: you get what you pay for
06:09 PM roycroft: i just have to relearn that every time i start buying a new product line
06:10 PM perry_j1987: glad he moved out of CA
06:10 PM perry_j1987: that just seems really overly rough to try mfg anythign in cali
06:10 PM roycroft: he moved from california to indiana on purpose?
06:11 PM XXCoder: then complained about lack of fast food options lol
06:11 PM perry_j1987: ya
06:11 PM perry_j1987: so much cheaper heh
06:11 PM roycroft: yes, but it's indifrickingana
06:12 PM perry_j1987: MRRF is down the road for him now though :P
06:12 PM * roycroft was born in indiana and lived there for a couple years, and so is allowed to have an attitude about it :)
06:12 PM roycroft: those couple years were years 1 and 2, btw
06:12 PM roycroft: i do not remember living there at all
06:12 PM XXCoder: lol
06:12 PM XXCoder: I lived at so many states
06:12 PM XXCoder: including arkasas
06:12 PM roycroft: actually, i kind of do
06:12 PM XXCoder: my childhood was "fun"
06:13 PM XXCoder: up to and including homeless for a year
06:13 PM XXCoder: lived at tent for a year
06:13 PM perry_j1987: my sister lived in a cabin wall tent for a few years
06:13 PM roycroft: when i was 10 or 11 my father went to summer school at indiana u to finish his master's degree, and the family lived in a dorm on campus for three months
06:13 PM roycroft: i remember that
06:13 PM perry_j1987: had little wood stove in it
06:13 PM XXCoder: thats nice upgrade from typical tent and fireplace
06:14 PM perry_j1987: it was an old army jeep tent
06:14 PM perry_j1987: my dad cut the fire retardent ring for the exhaust and moved it up to the upper wall for chimney
06:14 PM perry_j1987: worked well
06:15 PM roycroft: well i don't know if i'll have enough purple filament to get everything off the wall storage drawers, but i think i do
06:15 PM roycroft: i'm going to hold off on buying more filament for a while
06:16 PM roycroft: i *think* i have enough grey, i know i have enough black and blue, but i may be short on orange
06:16 PM roycroft: i'll figure something out if i run out of orange
06:17 PM * roycroft is starting to get tired of spending most of his spare change on filament
06:18 PM perry_j1987: be neat if you could fill a box and a filament company you send to and they credit towards spool of recycled filament
06:18 PM perry_j1987: whatever color it ends up being etc
06:18 PM XXCoder: perry whats sad is its so hard to recycle prints and filament
06:18 PM XXCoder: it costs more to make fila from recyle than new pellets
06:19 PM perry_j1987: hard part is making SURE its sorted corectly
06:19 PM XXCoder: sorting is just beginning of it
06:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Is it possible to calibrate ball screw inertia in linuxcnc?
06:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: If you absolutely dont want to do it in the servo controller?
06:19 PM XXCoder: hi
06:19 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: good evening
06:21 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: If you are closing the servo loop in linuxcnc and using a velocity or torque mode drive, then you can tune the PID to be stable with the applied load.
06:21 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: They will be used as steppers
06:21 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: just step/dir
06:21 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Then no. The drive will need to be tuned for the load.
06:22 PM Tarehjerne1563[m: Ok, thanks for answering πŸ‘
06:24 PM perry_j1987: hmm i wonder if i could grind a thin threading tool from a part off blade
06:29 PM * xxcoder[m] uploaded an image: (234KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/DpeksQiHVUSgqdvWKAxTnNFK/unknown.png >
06:29 PM xxcoder[m]: lol
06:40 PM perry_j1987: lol
07:16 PM XXCoder: wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-QhaFw-zy8
07:16 PM XXCoder: as guy who posted link said "The creator spent 22 days taking 791 pictures to create the illusion of making this box with "hands" "
07:18 PM XXCoder: lots fun videos that channel
07:26 PM roycroft: the joinery is kind of sloppy
07:26 PM XXCoder: best guy can do with hands
07:26 PM roycroft: but i guess fingers don't hold a really keen edge
07:27 PM roycroft: well i just ordered some extrusions from 80/20 for my jig
07:27 PM roycroft: shipping was slightly less than the cost of the extrusions
07:28 PM roycroft: and the total price was less than ordering from china
07:28 PM XXCoder: yeah thats always problem with 80/20 extrusions. shipping costs a bomb
07:28 PM roycroft: $24 and change for the extrusions and some nuts
07:28 PM roycroft: $21 and change for shipping
07:28 PM XXCoder: but interesting enough in SMALL batches below 550mm, you can get em for free. order a few across different sellers
07:29 PM XXCoder: (aliexpress)
07:29 PM roycroft: the ones i just ordered are 230mm long
07:29 PM roycroft: and i got two of them
07:37 PM XXCoder: aliexpress thaty shouldnt be expensive, but then long wait
07:38 PM roycroft: i need these to be straight and flat
07:38 PM roycroft: genuine 80/20 is almost guaranteed to be straight and flat
07:39 PM roycroft: it's also made in usa, which is always a good thing
07:39 PM roycroft: for customers in the usa
07:39 PM roycroft: made in china is great if you live in china
07:40 PM roycroft: made in andorra is great if you live in andorra
07:40 PM roycroft: but if you insist on made in andorra you had better like wool and cheese a lot
07:42 PM XXCoder: all extrusions I ordered, I had no issue. theres few who had issues though
08:36 PM roycroft: i found the extrusions i need in the approximate lengths i need on ebay, used, for way more than buying new direct from 80/20
08:37 PM roycroft: the ebay vendors like to quote low prices then rip you off with outrageous shipping fees
08:59 PM XXCoder: thats typical ebay unfortunately
09:02 PM roycroft: and speaking of rip offs
09:02 PM roycroft: i was running low on olive oil
09:02 PM roycroft: the stuff i've been buying has been $24 for a big bottle for yeas
09:02 PM roycroft: years
09:02 PM roycroft: i haven't bought any in a couple months, because that's how long a bottle lasts
09:02 PM roycroft: today it was $35
09:03 PM roycroft: which is insane
09:03 PM XXCoder: some do have legimate increase of cost due to fuek costs etc, but some stuff they just rose to match others for larger profit
09:03 PM roycroft: most of the olive oil comes from europe
09:03 PM XXCoder: some of em is a mix, some increase of cost but increased faster than cost
09:04 PM roycroft: with the euro almost at par with the dollar, it should have gone down
09:04 PM XXCoder: ripoff it is then
09:04 PM roycroft: yes
09:04 PM roycroft: a ~50% price increase when the cost almost certainly went down
09:10 PM XXCoder: crazy
09:10 PM XXCoder: barely on time on my civil duty