#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 28 2022

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:16 AM norias: well, that's better
04:20 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:28 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:33 AM Tom_L: morning
05:17 AM pere: hi
06:30 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, go to System > Preferences > Personal > Startup Applications and add a new one
06:30 AM JT-Cave: Command: xset -dpms s off s noblank s 0 0 s noexpose
06:30 AM JT-Cave: no more screen blanking
06:31 AM JT-Cave: because xset is only for one session you have to do each time you boot up with a startup application
10:35 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, make it a cron job?
10:38 AM Tom_L: lost internet this morning, called the isp and their automated thing was down as well
10:42 AM roycroft: my check for the server/network gear i sold has arrived
10:42 AM roycroft: so now i have the funds to finish my cnc router
10:42 AM * roycroft had better get the plans done soon
10:58 AM Tom_L: which of those am i looking for from the link?
10:59 AM Tom_L: i had the smaller web install
10:59 AM Tom_L: the 11.4+nonfree?
10:59 AM pere: Tom_L: the link is for a iso/cd/usb stick with firmware debs included. any of them, I guess. :)
11:00 AM pere: I normally go with <URL: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ >.
11:01 AM Tom_L: i'll try burning another dis
11:01 AM Tom_L: k
11:02 AM Tom_L: you're gonna know me as the problem guy :)
11:09 AM pere: so far I know you as a hard working contributor. :)
11:11 AM Tom_L: crap
11:11 AM Tom_L: dl the iso to a pc with no dvd drive :/
11:14 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
11:19 AM pere: use usb stick?
11:19 AM Tom_L: i don't think this pc will boot from it
11:19 AM Tom_L: burning the dvd now
11:21 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, I've never messed with a cron job anyway you only need to do it once after booting up
11:25 AM Tom_L: at one time i had the bot on a cron job so if the server ever restarted it would run the bot
11:29 AM Tom_L: i forgot how but think i have notes somewhere..
11:30 AM Tom_L: pere, same issue with the full install iso
11:30 AM Tom_L: network autoconfiguration failed
11:32 AM pere: broken card?
11:32 AM Tom_L: no it works fine with debian 10 / windows etc
11:32 AM Tom_L: realtek iirc
11:34 AM Tom_L: i know it works.. i dl the iso using it
11:35 AM Tom_L: manually entering may have worked
11:40 AM Tom_L: won't see the mirror sites either
11:42 AM pere: <URL: https://www.monkeyuser.com/2022/unit-tests/ > :)
11:56 AM Tom_L: display manager gdm3 or lightdm?
11:56 AM Tom_L: lightdm is older right?
12:08 PM * pere use lightdm himself.
12:08 PM Tom_L: i did
12:08 PM pere: do not think age has anything to do with it. these just look different and behave different, and all of them can log out in. also, check out nodm. :)
12:10 PM Tom_L: ok well at least i got a bullseye splash screen now
12:17 PM turnmycnc: hi One more day in Linuxcnc gladevcp desaster
12:17 PM turnmycnc: after now gigabites of downloads and compiling still no success
12:18 PM turnmycnc: is andypugh here
12:18 PM turnmycnc: is someone here that is working with gladevcp
12:19 PM turnmycnc: the Macros are working in AXIS and Touchy
12:19 PM unterhaus_: turnmycnc your best bet is just to ask your question
12:19 PM turnmycnc: but i cand get them to view inside Gmoccapy
12:19 PM turnmycnc: it simply fails to start the ini
12:22 PM turnmycnc: fi i do gladevcp lathemacro.ui inside the sim.gmocappy.lathe_configsΒ  it starts up
12:24 PM turnmycnc: EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = halcmd loadusr -Wn gladevcp gladevcp -c gladevcp -U notouch=1 -U norun=0 -u lathehandler.py -x {XID} lathemacro.ui
12:24 PM turnmycnc: this line is the hint
12:25 PM turnmycnc: and i find out that the -x XID is the main problem to find the place to put it
12:27 PM turnmycnc: it seams as of rezizing and GTK3 changes the ui and the py is not in sync
12:33 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I think your embed tab command is wrong. At least in 2.8 the halcmd loadusr is not present when loading a gmoccapy tab.
12:33 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: For example:
12:34 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: EMBED_TAB_COMMAND=gladevcp -c probe -x {XID} -u psng/python -H psng/psng.hal psng/psng_nextgen4.glade
12:34 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: So for yours I would try:
12:35 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = gladevcp -c gladevcp -U notouch=1 -U norun=0 -u lathehandler.py -x {XID} lathemacro.ui
12:45 PM turnmycnc: i try
12:46 PM turnmycnc: no way it's the Same it simply stalls and when i hit CTRL CΒ  i got a message Dialog and in the bag the gmoccapy frame loads
12:47 PM turnmycnc: back
12:47 PM turnmycnc: im on Debian10 and Master 2.9
12:48 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: What are the terminal messages when it stops? There should be some error messages.
12:49 PM turnmycnc: this is the complete log debugg https://dpaste.org/ZfGY2
12:50 PM turnmycnc: the paste is untill i press CTRL C then i get the terminatin massages
12:51 PM turnmycnc: i will fix this parsing errors first
12:58 PM turnmycnc: ZincBoy[CAON][m] do you find somthing
12:59 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Looks like you need to debug what is going on in gmoccapy. Looks like something is missing from the INI file by my read. I would post a request in the gmoccapy section of the linuxcnc forum. The developer has been active there. This is the nature of using the master branch. Sometimes thing will break.
01:02 PM turnmycnc: ok
01:02 PM turnmycnc: someone knows the developer of gmoccapy the macros are from andypught
01:07 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:07 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:08 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/gmoccapy
01:08 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I do recall seeing some reports of weird behavior with gmoccapy and custom panels.
01:10 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You can also raise an issue on the git repository.
01:12 PM travis_farmer[m]: i am pleased that i am able to order the materials for my bigger CNC shed, tomorrow. πŸ˜„ been a long time planning, and waiting for funds. will be great to finally get moving on it!
01:13 PM turnmycnc: travis_farmer[m] BIG means
01:14 PM travis_farmer[m]: huh?
01:15 PM roycroft: dimensions of the new shed, please
01:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: oh, 13 X 20
01:15 PM travis_farmer[m]: feet
01:15 PM roycroft: that's enough room for a decent size router
01:16 PM travis_farmer[m]: yes, it is πŸ˜„
01:16 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Nice. With overhead gantry crane right? πŸ™‚
01:16 PM travis_farmer[m]: uh, sadly, no crane πŸ˜‰
01:17 PM roycroft: festool are very strict about price controls and out of market sales
01:17 PM turnmycnc: using Hyperstepers or real servos
01:17 PM roycroft: they do not allow discounting prices by even a penny
01:17 PM roycroft: but i recently found that i can order festool supplies from amazon.co.uk at a roughly 15% discount
01:18 PM JT-Shop: you can borrow my gantry crane anytime you want
01:18 PM roycroft: oddly, they will not shop to businesses, so i have to order from them using my personal account
01:18 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Currency conversion?
01:18 PM roycroft: and even more oddly, the stuff i order from them gets shipped from australia to the uk, and then from the uk to me
01:18 PM roycroft: possibly, zincboy, given how sterling has totally crashed (thanks, brexit!)
01:18 PM XXCoder: well traveled packages
01:18 PM roycroft: i'm a couple months out on delivery
01:19 PM roycroft: but i'm saving 15% or so
01:19 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I was getting a bunch of motorsports stuff from the UK for a big discount when the currencies were the right way around
01:19 PM roycroft: a fair tradeoff i think
01:19 PM roycroft: i wonder how long this will last before festool catches on and cracks down
01:20 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Not sure they can unless they want local prices to fluctuate with currency.
01:20 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Just the little guy reaping the globalization reward the big companies use to the fullest πŸ™‚
01:22 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Tools bought from out of the local market are considered "grey market" already. It will be impossible to get warranty on them unless through the UK.
01:22 PM roycroft: i'm not buying tools per se
01:22 PM roycroft: i get my tools from festoolrecon.com for 20-30% off list, and that's an official festool website
01:23 PM roycroft: the reconditioned tools come with a 1 year warranty
01:23 PM roycroft: i'm talking about cutters, sanding blocks, abrasives, etc.
01:23 PM roycroft: consumables and non-powered accessories
01:23 PM roycroft: the currency float is addressed by their prohibition on shipping outside the licensed market area
01:24 PM roycroft: this may actually be a brexit artifact
01:24 PM roycroft: if festool's agreements were with the eu, and they have not executed agreements with their uk vendors yet, that may be a loophole
01:25 PM roycroft: that does not explain why amazon are shipping from australia to the uk, then forwarding on to me
01:25 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: More likely amazon going LOL we will sell it wherever.
01:25 PM roycroft: and australia is perhaps the most expensive market in the world
01:26 PM roycroft: a tool that costs $200 in the us and Β£200 in the uk will cost $90 in australia0
01:26 PM roycroft: $900, rather
01:29 PM XXCoder: i find it funny thsat you managed to find a better deal at pricy country to buy from
01:30 PM roycroft: i'm good at finding bargains
01:31 PM roycroft: that's how i can have fancy stuff without being rich
01:35 PM tcurdt: Endstops: I understand pull-up and pull-down, sourcing and sinking ... but why are there NPN/PNP _and_ NO/NC. The way I see it PNP is NO and NPN is NC. What am I missing?
01:40 PM pcw---home: NO/NC in orthogonal to PNP/NPN
01:41 PM pcw---home: PNP=sourcing NPN=sinking
01:43 PM pcw---home: NO/NC means the default (non-actuated) state is open (off) or on (closed for a relay contact = NC)
02:16 PM perry_j1987: hows it going
02:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roycroft: https://www.rockler.com never been in one, do they have much in their stores?
02:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or are they mostly mail order
02:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.rockler.com/power-tools/cnc-machines-and-laser-machines#/sort:final_price:desc
02:32 PM perry_j1987: how do you quote prices for machining...
02:32 PM perry_j1987: got offered to make some parts for local company but i have no idea about quoting for anything
02:33 PM Tom_L: programming, setup, first article buy, spindle time
02:33 PM Tom_L: X2 if they watch
02:34 PM hazzy[m]: CaptHindsight: they have pretty decent stores, but not a whole lot of machinery
02:34 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: (Machine $/hr + my hourly rate) * machining hours + (my hourly rate * setup and programming hours) + materials cost. Take that and multiply by your margin (in my case 2x).
02:35 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Don't forget to factor in change charges if this is an interactive thing
02:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://github.com/djsftree/rpi-img-builder
02:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hazzy: it's next door to a hobby town near me
02:39 PM roycroft: don't forget to bill for overhead
02:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: hazzy: so a good place for decent hand tools?
02:39 PM roycroft: capthindsight: rockler have a lot of stuff
02:40 PM roycroft: they've gone down the path of woodcraft though, but to an even greater extreme
02:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just don't expect a CNC showroom?
02:40 PM roycroft: no, not at all
02:41 PM roycroft: they're a general woodworking supplier
02:41 PM roycroft: expect a lot of glue and clamps and overpriced hardware
02:41 PM roycroft: most of it house brand, which is what i was just getting at
02:41 PM roycroft: they're trying to brand as much stuff as possible
02:41 PM hazzy[m]: CaptHindsight: yes, decent. What are you looking for? I prefer Lee Valley tools if you want good quotation decent price
02:41 PM XXCoder: with 20% surcharge for branding I guess
02:41 PM roycroft: and their house brand is usually lower quality than similar name brands
02:42 PM roycroft: no, their prices are about the same as for name brands
02:42 PM JT-Shop: yo hazzy[m]
02:42 PM roycroft: but lower quality and much higher margin
02:42 PM XXCoder: ok
02:42 PM roycroft: they will have some cnc machines
02:42 PM hazzy[m]: roycroft: yep! A lot of melamine covered junk
02:42 PM roycroft: they *may* have a staffer who knows what a cnc machine is
02:42 PM JT-Shop: today's goal is to put blocking between the rafters on the chicken run and keep that damn coon out
02:42 PM hazzy[m]: JT-Shop: hey
02:42 PM roycroft: and don't get me wrong
02:43 PM roycroft: i spend several hundred to a couple thousand dollars with rockler per year
02:43 PM pere: Fun LinuxCNC history in <URL: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=P2O8KCmVjU0 >. :)
02:43 PM roycroft: but you're not going to fine heirloom quality tools there, nor serious woodworking expertise
02:44 PM roycroft: especially if you're a professional - they cater about 130% to hobbyists
02:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we used to have a Wood World here that carried just about every hardwood there is, sadly gone now
02:45 PM Tom_L: are repos not available for bullseye?
02:45 PM Tom_L: it keeps redirecting me back to the cd
02:45 PM Tom_L: i added a couple repos but it refused a couple as well
02:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: since Covid I've noticed that the stores tend to only stock high margin mediocre tools and parts, I have to order anything either low cost or precision
02:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: they work for me
02:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
02:50 PM roycroft: it should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc.list
02:50 PM roycroft: sources.list should ony be for the official debian repositories
02:51 PM Tom_L: lemme get hexchat up there and i'll show you
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main non-free contrib
02:52 PM Tom_L: maybe i entered it wrong but it was similar
02:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security non-free main contrib
02:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-proposed-updates non-free main contrib
02:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main
02:52 PM roycroft: oh, this is the stuff that is in the official distro
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main non-free contrib
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main non-free contrib
02:54 PM CaptHindsight[m]: huh I usually use the UofChicago mirrors, must have been busy
02:55 PM Tom_L: it didn't like my deb-sources
02:55 PM Tom_L: it did add main and main non-free
02:56 PM JT-Shop2- is now known as JT-Shop2
02:56 PM JT-Shop2: hazzy[m]: the Cinnamon Queens will start laying a month before the rest at about 5 months of age
02:57 PM StefanBlume[m] is now known as Flowers4635[m]
02:57 PM hazzy[m]: JT-Shop2: oh sweet! Should get eggs before the end of the year then
03:00 PM perry_j1987: is there some standard rate for machine time $
03:01 PM perry_j1987: how do you factor in machine time
03:01 PM perry_j1987: you could do 1 or 2 up in a kurt vs making a fixture that holds 50 of them at a time greatly reducing times
03:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: https://www.protolabs.com/services/cnc-machining/ compare for reference
03:03 PM perry_j1987: i looked into some of those already
03:04 PM perry_j1987: they want me to add a feature on existing parts that are supplied
03:04 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Don't use those to set your own prices
03:04 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], that helped.. thanks
03:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: perry_j1987: https://www.hubs.com/manufacture/?technology=cnc-machining
03:04 PM CaptHindsight[m]: just reference prices
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: I think some of the Debian docs are behind on configuring repos for Bookworm and Bullseye
03:06 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: You need to work out your costs and what you want to get paid. Using those can lead you competing against yourself. If this is just hobby stuff then you still need to make sure you aren't working for free.
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I ran into some strange behavior as well
03:06 PM Tom_L: i was just following the one from buster
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what is their lowest fee for any machining? Say you just send them a file for a square with one machined side, just faced
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or cut bar
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: how do you keep 100 Haas busy since they are all on lease
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's an interesting experiment
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: get funding to lease a bunch of machines and factory space
03:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: see if you can turn a profit
03:10 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: This just tells you what _their_ min setup fee is. You need to work out your own. It doesn't matter if your min price is $500 vs their $50. That is still your min price. If someone only wants to pay $50, send them on their way.
03:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they have a hub in Chicago
03:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah I'm wondering what their minimum charge is
03:13 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I do this stuff for fun so I charge $$$ for anything commercial because my hobby time is expensive πŸ™‚
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I talked to them a couple years ago about modifying their printers for a wide variety of 3rd party materials
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that spooked them since they lease everything
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the service I don't see how they turn a profit on is multijet fusion, the printers are $200K, the materials are marked up >500% and the printheads only last for a few prints at $1kea and they use 3
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the local HP dealer refused to discuss this with me
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: seems to be like selling cars that supposedly get 100mpg
03:20 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but it's never in writing
03:21 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], were you able to get linuxcnc repo in the sources list?
03:21 PM Tom_L: for bullseye
03:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: I never tried. I built 2.9 packages
03:23 PM Tom_L: yeah it's not in the repo list yet
03:23 PM Tom_L: i'll probably build 2.8 for now
03:23 PM JT-Shop: dang you're still building something?
03:24 PM Tom_L: it's also not in the mainstream repos yet either
03:24 PM Tom_L: always
03:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I built LCNC 2.9 on Bullseye to work on qtpyvcp starting with all Python3.x
03:24 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i set up buster now on a new ssd bullseye
03:24 PM Tom_L: ( 10 & 11 )
03:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm on Sid on this machine
03:25 PM Tom_L: so i can have a test platform for both
03:25 PM Tom_L: who knows mayb redhat will be next :)
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I think I have Buster on 10 other machines here with LCNC 2.8
03:25 PM Tom_L: is that even still a thing?
03:26 PM CaptHindsight[m]: testing LCNC 2.9 on Gentoo now installed from an ebuild
03:43 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: just fyi https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/linuxcnc_debs/
03:57 PM * JT-Cave looked at gentoo but was cornfused about what to actually do to install it
04:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: JT-Cave: you have to build it all, no binary packages like Debian/Mint/Ubuntu
04:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the Gentoo ebuilds are basically scripts that download, build and install on your already built Gentoo system
04:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: we have been using it for >10 years so we have a tarball of the whole current system, you just untar it onto your new system to install
04:17 PM pere: A few years ago I was told that emerging openoffice took three days from installing gento to working program. is this still the case?
04:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: depends on your build system, 6-8 core Ryzen maybe a couple/few hours
04:20 PM roycroft: i don't know about gentoo, but i you install ubuntu you'll have a working openoffice in about 15 minutes at most from when you start the os install
04:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: building firefox take a while as well
04:21 PM XXCoder: roy gentoo you build everything basically
04:21 PM XXCoder: benefits is faster and effecient but negative is builds of course. honestly dunno how gentoo changed since I last read about it.
04:21 PM * roycroft decides not to be curious about why people would want to install an os that requires building everything from scratch
04:21 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Gentoo is for people that like to see the compiler run πŸ™‚
04:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but if you know how to build the systems tend to run faster and are more stable
04:21 PM roycroft: i mean
04:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and you can fix everything, no magic like Ubuntu or Debian
04:22 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I really doubt this is measurable in any significant way outside of HPC
04:22 PM roycroft: back in the '80s, when i'd be getting all my comp.sources.unix every night in my news feed via my uucp connection it made sense to build everything from scratch, because that was the only way to get it
04:22 PM roycroft: but it hasn't been the '80s for a very long time (thank goodness)
04:23 PM roycroft: if you're going to do a gentoo install do you need to put on a polyester leisure suite and get your hair permed into a bit 'fro first?
04:23 PM roycroft: do you mount the keyboard way up high so it's at the right height when you're wearing your platform shoes?
04:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: vs installing Debian or fedora and then turning off services you don't use/need, same for the kernels
04:24 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: A cigarette is mandatory as well from my memory of 80s computing πŸ™‚
04:24 PM roycroft: a clove cigarette
04:25 PM * JT-Shop doesn't know how to build gentoo so I don't think I'll bother
04:25 PM XXCoder: pc is 12v, surpised nobody ever added cig starter from car on pcs in 80s :P
04:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Debian Bullseye broke audio from Firefox-ESR, good luck trying to fix that mess
04:26 PM roycroft: aka kretek
04:26 PM roycroft: or gudang
04:26 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I have memories of a cig lighter 5.25 bay for some reason
04:27 PM XXCoder: lol
04:27 PM travis_farmer[m]: why not, ZinkBoy, goes well with the slide-out cup holder πŸ˜‰
04:27 PM * roycroft wonders why he gets hearing aid spam and free checking account for your child spam in postal mail on the same day
04:27 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: WTF: https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-A2021-Beverage-Cigarette-Lighter/dp/B0002F8WLM/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
04:28 PM * JT-Shop stopped wondering about spam
04:28 PM XXCoder: thats funny
04:31 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what git packages do you normally install?
04:31 PM JT-Shop: git and git-gui
04:32 PM JT-Shop: git-gui installs gitk
04:32 PM JT-Shop: hopefully I have some really good instructions at https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html in a few days
04:33 PM Tom_L: for?
04:33 PM Tom_L: anything in particular?
04:34 PM JT-Shop: debian 11, 12 and sid and fixing debian and installing linuxcnc etc
04:35 PM Tom_L: have you installed sid yet?
04:36 PM JT-Shop: twice just to be sure
04:36 PM Tom_L: heh
04:37 PM JT-Shop: second time I took good notes of everything I did and every annoying thing I fixed
04:37 PM Tom_L: that's about what it takes on a new one
04:37 PM Tom_L: building mesact on 11 currently
04:37 PM JT-Shop: second time was just to take notes
04:37 PM JT-Shop: building a deb?
04:39 PM Tom_L: finished
04:39 PM JT-Shop: building a mesact deb?
04:39 PM Tom_L: yes
04:39 PM Tom_L: for 11
04:40 PM JT-Shop: does the deb on the repo not install on 11?
04:40 PM Tom_L: i haven't tried
04:40 PM JT-Shop: it should install on >= 10
04:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I skipped trying Bookworm (11)
04:40 PM Tom_L: making sure i have all my tools in the box first
04:41 PM JT-Shop: chicken crack time
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: did you build 2.9 for Bookworm?
04:41 PM XXCoder: feeding chickens drugs tsk tsk
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: oh crap is Bookworm 12 or 11?
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 12
04:46 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight[m], no not yet
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04:49 PM XXCoder: ugh lemme try again
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04:49 PM XXCoder: 42-43 in dang thats insane
04:59 PM * JT-Shop needs to figure out a way to center the slitting saw with Z having some slop
04:59 PM XXCoder: paper touch off top of saw on bottom of part, and do opposite
04:59 PM XXCoder: divide the distance in half
05:00 PM JT-Shop: that doesn't account for slop, the connection from the servo to the quill moves a bit
05:00 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Wonder if it is made of invar or something. It would move by about 0.0003"/deg C if it is steel.
05:01 PM XXCoder: zinc good question. one of comments say that it must be used in QA room. no exposure to shop
05:01 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: wonder if its predictabke
05:01 PM XXCoder: that slop
05:01 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Ah, that would be temp controlled then.
05:04 PM XXCoder: I wonder if its best to hold it with gloves or something
05:04 PM JT-Shop: I might put a indicator on it to see
05:04 PM XXCoder: less effect of heat form hands
05:05 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: That or use a mic stand. I imagine that would be a two person job to use though.
06:21 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, take the saw lower then raise it to center
06:21 PM Tom_L: center it from the top edge of the saw
06:36 PM perry_j1987: whats max depth of cut you can do with fly cutters typically
06:45 PM Tom_L: is it a .6hp spindle or 175hp?
06:46 PM Tom_L: how wide is the insert?
06:58 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, try:
06:58 PM Tom_L: crontab -e
06:58 PM Tom_L: select an editor
06:58 PM Tom_L: @reboot xset s off dpms force on s noblank s expose -dpms
06:59 PM Tom_L: or yours
06:59 PM Tom_L: @reboot xset -dpms s off s noblank s 0 0 s noexpose
06:59 PM Tom_L: it will run every time you boot
07:02 PM Tom_L: you might need root access..
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08:11 PM JT-Cave: ok
08:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: How to get ride of this message? No parport registered at xxxxx. This not always an error. Continuing.
08:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Parallel controller [0701]: Asix Electronics Corporation AX99100 PCIe to Multi I/O Controller [125b:9100] (prog-if 03 [IEEE1284])
08:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Subsystem: Asix Electronics Corporation (Wrong ID) Parallel Port [a000:2000]
08:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: The LPT device is NOT in the kernel so it doesn't see the ports
08:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: its address is manually entered into the .hal file
08:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LCNC starts up, doesn't see the port and throws this message
08:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but the LCNC RT parallel driver works on the device
08:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: How to get "rid" of this message?
08:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: asix-ax99100 works fine with LCNC
08:27 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.amazon.com/CERRXIAN-Parallel-Expansion-Controller-Converter/dp/B0823RZKJK/ref=sr_1_1
08:29 PM Tom_L: errors building 2.9 in bullseye
08:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Tom_L: back in April it built just fine following the steps at qtpyvcp
08:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: by may/june it required building a newer version of po4a
08:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what errors are you getting?
08:46 PM Tom_L: some unmet dependencies
08:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Parallel controller [0701]: MosChip Semiconductor Technology Ltd. MCS9900 Multi-I/O Controller [9710:9900] (prog-if 03 [IEEE1284])
08:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Subsystem: Asix Electronics Corporation (Wrong ID) MCS9900 Multi-I/O Controller
08:46 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: works just fine with LCNC if you manually edit the .hal file
08:46 PM Tom_dev: Unmet build dependencies: libreadline-gplv2-dev python-lxml python python-dev
08:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: no luck with CH382L cards
08:46 PM Tom_L: are they using python 2 or 3 now?
08:47 PM Tom_L: i installed a few python3 packages
08:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2.9 should be all Python3
08:47 PM Tom_L: what about 2.8?
08:47 PM Tom_L: same thing?
08:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2.8 still uses Python2.x
08:47 PM Tom_L: built from the repo
08:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2.9 IS all Python3, not should be
08:49 PM Tom_L: that's what i though
08:49 PM Tom_dev: enough for one day anyway
08:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.qtpyvcp.com/install/bullseye.html worked if followed back in April
08:51 PM Tom_L: i got the kernel part already
08:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: turboss verified that all he had to do by July was build a po4a deb package higher than 0.66 and that is how he built these https://repository.qtpyvcp.com/repo/linuxcnc_debs/
08:53 PM Tom_L: how do you check the version?
08:54 PM TurBoss: hello, version of linuxcnc?
08:54 PM Tom_L: po4a
08:54 PM TurBoss: --version
08:54 PM Tom_L: this is .62
08:55 PM TurBoss: built this ones https://github.com/mquinson/po4a
08:55 PM Tom_L: will it overwrite the old one?
08:56 PM TurBoss: then I added binaries to path
08:56 PM TurBoss: no
08:56 PM TurBoss: you can build them by the user and skip the instal step
08:56 PM TurBoss: add the binaries path to you PATH and build lcnc
08:56 PM Tom_L: yjsy
08:57 PM Tom_L: that's like a book full of dependencies
08:57 PM Tom_L: on the qt site
09:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Parallel controller [0701]: Device [1c00:2170] (rev 0f) (prog-if 01 [BiDir])
09:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: Subsystem: Device [1c00:2170]
09:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: also works fine PCI CH351
09:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.wch-ic.com/products/CH351.html
09:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.wch-ic.com/downloads/CH384DS1_PDF.html no working
09:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.wch-ic.com/downloads/file/320.html
09:24 PM roycroft: assuming real estate is not an issue, does anyone have any thoughts about mounting the linear rails for my y axis gantry support on top of the extrusions vs. the outsides of the extrusions?
09:25 PM roycroft: my current design has them on top, but i see a lot of designs with them on the sides
09:25 PM XXCoder: i saw variant where its on top AND bottom
09:25 PM roycroft: this for a cnc router, in case context is needed
09:25 PM XXCoder: good design? no idea
09:25 PM Tom_L: other than dust...
09:25 PM roycroft: i've seen a couple like that, but the majority only have one set
09:26 PM roycroft: and that would add several hundred dollars of cost
09:26 PM roycroft: i'm hoping to keep the dust away no matter where i mount them
09:26 PM roycroft: but yes, it may be easier to protect them from dust if they're on the sides
09:26 PM Tom_L: outsides?
09:27 PM roycroft: the extrusions i'm looking at would work
09:27 PM roycroft: yes
09:27 PM roycroft: i could do it on the insides, i suppose
09:27 PM roycroft: anyway
09:27 PM XXCoder: roy saw one where its essentally in inside of gantry box, and covered by sliding covers or accordation
09:28 PM roycroft: if i do a rack and pinion design, which i'm leaning heavily towards doing, i can mount the rack at the bottom of the extrusions and still have room for the trucks to clear if the linear rails are mounted towards the top of the sides
09:28 PM XXCoder: those rails wonbt get dusty at all
09:28 PM roycroft: that won't work for me at all, unfortunately
09:28 PM roycroft: keep in mind that this has to function as a conventional router table as well as a cnc router
09:29 PM Tom_L: tell that to the design engineer
09:30 PM XXCoder: rpy honestly you can fit it in gantry in depth of maybe 3 inches. rear wall, rails, then accordation covers on front
09:32 PM roycroft: i need all of the y axis stuff to be below the table top
09:32 PM XXCoder: thought you was talking about x axis
09:32 PM XXCoder: it would be along gantry
09:32 PM roycroft: so that when i'm in conventional router table mode i can have parts overhang the sides of the table
09:33 PM roycroft: the y axis is the long axis on which the gantry moves
09:33 PM XXCoder: y axis is much easier
09:33 PM XXCoder: I know
09:33 PM roycroft: and that's what i'm working on right now
09:33 PM XXCoder: basically you can put rails inside
09:33 PM roycroft: x doesn't have the restrictions
09:33 PM roycroft: because x will be pushed to the back of the table when i'm using it in router table mode
09:33 PM XXCoder: ie under the table
09:34 PM roycroft: my current design is basically that
09:34 PM Tom_L: that's usually X i think
09:34 PM roycroft: https://roycroft.us/CNC-Router/Full-Assembly-Preliminary-3-Front-View.jpeg
09:34 PM roycroft: that is old, again, but it conveys the design
09:35 PM roycroft: and i think it would keep the dust off pretty well
09:35 PM XXCoder: tom one of my earliest designs had this design style. gantry is essentally a box. its mounted on rails and moved by whatever
09:35 PM roycroft: tom_l: i look at it like i look at a milling machine
09:35 PM roycroft: i stand in front of the short end
09:35 PM roycroft: x goes left to right
09:35 PM roycroft: y goes front to back
09:35 PM roycroft: z goes up and down
09:35 PM XXCoder: roy yeah, though theres variant that bar is all way across to other side. better? dunno
09:36 PM Tom_L: it makes no difference really
09:36 PM roycroft: i don't know if my way of looking at it is right or wrong
09:36 PM Tom_L: but typical gantrys that would be X
09:36 PM roycroft: i think it's fairly arbitrary, as long as one explains one's terms
09:36 PM XXCoder: roy nah that is very typical router axis setup. mines like that also
09:36 PM XXCoder: x along gantry bar, y is gantry motion, z is usual
09:36 PM Tom_L: as long as your software can spit code to it, that's all that matters
09:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: which corner is X,Y 0,0 ?
09:38 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or do you put yours in the middle?
09:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: for 4 quadrant
09:39 PM Tom_L: typical gantry X carries Y https://www.f-zimmermann.com/en/gantry-machines/fzp37
09:40 PM XXCoder: big one
09:40 PM Tom_L: look at the working ranges
09:40 PM Tom_L: doesn't matter
09:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.linearmotiontips.com/xy-tables-how-do-they-differ-from-cartesian-and-gantry-systems/
09:41 PM XXCoder: well while its certainly better with rigidity and less motion weight, I'm pretty sure it dont meet roy needs
09:41 PM Tom_L: feel free to call them whatever you like though
09:46 PM roycroft: can i call it the streak?
09:46 PM Tom_L: man.. micro SD...512Gb
09:46 PM XXCoder: why not
09:46 PM roycroft: boogity boogity
09:46 PM Tom_L: where do they hide it all...
09:47 PM roycroft: fastest axis on two rails
09:48 PM Tom_L: Don't look, Ethel!
09:48 PM roycroft: so i'm on episode 4 of the new star trek
09:48 PM roycroft: and i still like this captain pike the best
09:49 PM roycroft: but i'm having a hard time buying the elvis hairdo
09:49 PM XXCoder: they had to figure transition from new to old
09:49 PM Tom_L: and that's the best they could come up with?
09:49 PM XXCoder: its apparently canon that pike caused "retro age" for federation,
09:50 PM XXCoder: tom honestly its not easy to translate well since Enterprise show showed reasonable advanced uniforms controls etc
09:51 PM Tom_L: mind control
09:51 PM XXCoder: and orginial star trek is well that lol
09:51 PM XXCoder: or pikes charm
09:52 PM roycroft: o
09:52 PM roycroft: i am not sure your link clears things up sufficiently, capthindsight
09:53 PM Tom_L: roycroft, the gantry one showed X carrying Y
09:53 PM roycroft: if you follow fashion at all, you will know that we often retrograde
09:53 PM XXCoder: disco probably will never be back
09:53 PM roycroft: tom_L: sure, but it does not offer an explanation as to why they are labeled as they are
09:53 PM Tom_L: never say never
09:54 PM roycroft: yet we have disco thursday at the country fair every year
09:54 PM roycroft: where the biggest dance floor on site plays disco music all night long
09:54 PM XXCoder: fancy lol
09:54 PM roycroft: and it's the most popular place at the fair on thursday night
09:54 PM XXCoder: too bad I dont get to enjoy music
09:55 PM roycroft: you could probably experience, if not enjoy, disco music
09:55 PM roycroft: the pulsating bass i'm sure you can feel
09:55 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:55 PM roycroft: we have a drum circle that gets rather large during the public hours at the fair
09:56 PM roycroft: that's something else i'm sure you could experience
09:56 PM XXCoder: roy whats interesting is that nearly all deaf have very small amount of hearing
09:56 PM XXCoder: like 1-2%
09:56 PM XXCoder: my brother and sister is examples of such
09:56 PM roycroft: yes
09:56 PM XXCoder: I am not one of those
09:56 PM roycroft: and it makes sense
09:57 PM roycroft: you're biologically wired to hear
09:57 PM roycroft: deafness is when something goes wrong
09:57 PM roycroft: but it doesn't usually go totally wrong
09:57 PM XXCoder: yeah its since birth for all of us
09:57 PM XXCoder: well before birth really but yeah
09:58 PM roycroft: it's in your genes
09:58 PM roycroft: so wired since conception
09:58 PM XXCoder: genes dermine chance, rather than for sure
09:58 PM XXCoder: my uncle had declining hearing
09:58 PM XXCoder: mom, deaf since birth
09:59 PM XXCoder: other 2 uncles is unknown as they died while young adult
10:00 PM XXCoder: anyway back to music
10:00 PM XXCoder: my sis in law is one of those that has interest in music while deaf
10:00 PM XXCoder: none of us does though lol
10:01 PM XXCoder: I tried vibration trick but I suspect I am also tone deaf lol but very hard to prove LOL
10:01 PM roycroft: to me, that seems most akin to having an interest in rhythm only, without melody or harmony
10:01 PM roycroft: and i'm not knocking that in any way
10:01 PM roycroft: but it would be a totally different way of experiencing music
10:01 PM XXCoder: I would say so yeah
10:02 PM roycroft: i can try to imagne what some music would sound like that way, but i'll readily admit that i can't really do so
10:02 PM XXCoder: you would never be able to discribe what smell is like to me
10:02 PM XXCoder: hearing stuff is same thing to me
10:09 PM roycroft: so i've been printing this jumbo spool of filament for over a full day now without a glitch
10:09 PM roycroft: i don't know what was going on with the last one, but perhaps i didn't have it lined up quite right
10:14 PM Splat7847[m]: I was wondering if anyone happens to know if with the key matrix mode of the mesa 7i73 if it needs diodes on it? Some key matrix tutorials have diodes to eliminate ghosting or something.. others don't add diodes. I don't really have a way to do any real testing before I order circuit boards and am trying to avoid making a costly blunder if I can..
10:14 PM roycroft: and in the finding silver linings category
10:15 PM roycroft: since this heat wave started, i haven't had to pre-heat my printer bed at all, and bringing the hot end up to temperature takes much less time than usual
10:15 PM XXCoder: roycroft: you sure roll edge dont have anything thats slanted or anything
10:15 PM roycroft: the first one seemed ok
10:16 PM XXCoder: lol well thats a way to save on already low print power usage
10:16 PM roycroft: i didn't notice anything bad
10:17 PM XXCoder: or maybe you can point to certain hairy being
10:21 PM XXCoder: (the cat)
10:25 PM roycroft: sadly, she's not doing very well
10:25 PM roycroft: the fleas are gone, but she is very listless these days
10:25 PM roycroft: i hope it's because of the heat, but she is also getting pretty old
10:26 PM XXCoder: could be combination thereof
10:26 PM XXCoder: try ice water see if get better with that
10:26 PM roycroft: i'm hoping it's a combination of the heat and the fleas
10:26 PM roycroft: which do take a while to recover from
10:26 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:26 PM roycroft: but the point here is, i don't suspect she did anything to the spool
10:28 PM XXCoder: ok