#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 19 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:49 AM Deejay: moin
01:21 AM randy: morning
01:33 AM pere: hi
04:34 AM Tom_L: morning
04:43 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:13 AM travis_farmer: Good Morning :) wet, humid day today :|
05:15 AM JT-Cave: we have a week of HOT days @ 100°F plus
05:17 AM travis_farmer: predicted to be around 90F this week, here @ 97% humidity
07:40 AM Tom_L: 106F today
07:41 AM Tom_L: and +100 for the forseeable future
07:56 AM tcurdt: one of the difference between the 7i92 and the 7i96 (S+E) is that the inputs/outputs/stepgens are all isolated? is that right?
07:58 AM tcurdt: pcw---home ---^
08:23 AM Tom_L: tcurdt, the 7i92 has 2 plugs for daughter cards
08:23 AM Tom_L: the 7i96 is an all in one
08:24 AM tcurdt: Tom_L that I know :) but I was more aiming at the isolations
08:25 AM Tom_L: well, yes to the 7i96
08:25 AM Tom_L: that's the 'all in one' part
08:26 AM Tom_L: The 7I96 also has 11 isolated inputs plus 6 isolated outputs for general purpose I/O use.
08:26 AM Tom_L: from the board description
08:27 AM tcurdt: it also seems to have a connection for a daughter board .... but I assume those IOs are not isolated ... which then would be similar to the 7i92
08:28 AM tcurdt: so I assume
08:28 AM Tom_L: right
08:28 AM tcurdt: but what I couldn't figure out is whether the stepgens on the 7i96 are also isolated or not
08:28 AM Tom_L: but the 7i96 is out of stock and likely replaced with the 7i96S
08:28 AM Tom_L: they are
08:29 AM tcurdt: I know ... that's why I wrote 7i96 (S+E)
08:29 AM Tom_L: the S adds spindle among other nice features
08:29 AM Tom_L: also all isolated
08:29 AM tcurdt: also the stepgens?
08:29 AM Tom_L: of course
08:29 AM Tom_L: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=374
08:30 AM Tom_L: you can also get them from JT
08:30 AM Tom_L: if i were in the market for a card today i would get the 7i96S
08:31 AM Tom_L: you can add sserial and 25pin daughter cards if you need more IO
08:31 AM tcurdt: well, for me that isn't "of course" and the description only speaks about "11 isolated inputs plus 6 isolated output"
08:31 AM Tom_L: 2nd paragraph of that link
08:32 AM Tom_L: All step and direction outputs are buffered 5V signals that can drive 24 mA. All outputs support differential mode to reduce susceptibility to noise.
08:32 AM tcurdt: How does that mean isolated?
08:33 AM Tom_L: it has a buffer chip between the FPGA and the output terminal
08:33 AM Tom_L: not just an opto
08:33 AM Tom_L: etc
08:34 AM Tom_L: afik the 7i92 bring the FPGA pins right to the header. PCW correct me if i'm wrong
08:34 AM tcurdt: I wasn't aware the buffer is isolation ... "not just" means it's "better"? ... is that what ethernet has?
08:35 AM tcurdt: s/has/uses/
08:35 AM Tom_L: ethernet is the pc interface just like parallel port, SPI etc... not really anything to do with the IO side of it
08:36 AM tcurdt: Tom_L I know :) but AFAIK ethernet interfaces also have isolation ... not using optos
08:36 AM Tom_L: i don't know about that side of it but i'm sure it is protected in some way. PCW knows his shit
08:37 AM DigitalReaper: ethernet is transfomer isolated
08:37 AM tcurdt: Tom_L hehehe ... I bet he does :)
08:37 AM Tom_L: i _know_ he does
08:37 AM tcurdt: hehehe
08:39 AM Tom_L: https://mesaus.com/product/7i96s/
08:39 AM Tom_L: JT also has them in stock
08:40 AM Tom_L: they _might_ come with a few chicken feathers
08:40 AM Tom_L: just sayin...
08:42 AM Tom_L: and JT also has a nice config tool to use with it
08:42 AM pcw---home: The 7I96/7I96S Step/Dir outputs are not isolated (common ground with 5V supply)
08:43 AM JT-Shop: had
08:43 AM Tom_L: jt you out now?
08:43 AM tcurdt: pcw---home so that's the same as with the 7i92?
08:45 AM pcw---home: same in that its non-isolated, different in that its buffered and 5V
08:46 AM tcurdt: the 7i92 is 3.3V? what's the benefit of the buffering?
08:46 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, sad to see you took that down!
08:48 AM travis_farmer: yeah, what happened to the config tool?
08:48 AM Tom_L: well, read it on his github
08:50 AM pcw---home: buffering is needed for most step drives (they need 5V signals) also the buffered outputs are more rugged WRT negative inputs
08:52 AM tcurdt: pcw---home so the buffering does a level adjustment from 3.3 -> 5V and also adds some protection against negative voltages? ... like that?
08:53 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, with it taken down certainly no one can take advantage of all your hard work on it. I for one hope you will reconsider...
08:54 AM travis_farmer: Hmm, rather sad about mesact. :( i have had the same feeling about the forum on my website. why bother if nobody uses it. :(
08:54 AM pcw---home: tcurdt: yes (plus provides differential outputs for servo drives)
08:54 AM Tom_L: pncconf _has_ been around alot longer BUT i still feel mesact is a much better tool for mesa card configuration.
08:55 AM pcw---home: Yes and pncconf really only has bug fixes now
08:56 AM tcurdt: I used https://github.com/jethornton/mesact ... but urgh ... that readme doesn't paint a pretty picture
08:57 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Sorry to see mesact taken down. I was planning to use it on my next build as pncconf doesn't work for the configs I tend to use.
08:59 AM tcurdt: pcw---home Do you mind sharing the IC used for the buffering? I would love to have a look at the datasheet. Intrigued to learn about that.
09:03 AM pcw---home: its just a standard buffer (74ACT540/74ACT541) with a small series resistor. I would use ISL32174s but they are now 70 weeks availability (like _many_ parts)
09:04 AM Tom_L: i bet re'designing has been a painful challenge
09:05 AM pcw---home: Yeah its a game or designing around what you have in you hot little hands...
09:08 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, a user requested I restore it, so if one person uses the tool it's worth all the thousands of hours to build it
09:09 AM Tom_L: well, i was reading the copyright notice... :) I would never do it but i _could_ post the code on my site...
09:09 AM Tom_L: i know the effort you went thru to get it that far...
09:09 AM JT-Cave: I'm restoring at a users request
09:10 AM JT-Cave: you have no idea :) how much time I put into the tool
09:10 AM Tom_L: good!
09:10 AM travis_farmer: :)
09:10 AM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Thank you!
09:10 AM Tom_L: i've done other software development so i kinda do
09:10 AM Tom_L: i just don't know anything about python
09:11 AM Tom_L: just glad you 'made the right choice' :)
09:11 AM JT-Cave: I learned a lot about python and PyQt5
09:11 AM JT-Cave: coding the series of tools ending with mesact
09:11 AM travis_farmer: i am with ZinkBoy, Thank You JT! :) for EVERYTHING :)
09:12 AM jpa-: in general i feel it would be great to have more stuff included or easier to install into linuxcnc; e.g. nativecam is great, but installation is a bit problematic
09:12 AM JT-Cave: probably take a while to restore
09:14 AM Tom_L: i'd be among the users had mine not already be working
09:15 AM travis_farmer: i think asking to have too much included with LinuxCNC, takes away from the community of support that is LinuxCNC. rather than one source of everything, LinuxCNC is a bunch of users combined tips, tricks, and utilities, that make it a community. :)
09:18 AM jpa-: but community doesn't build up if too many users get tripped up at the "how to install this stuff" stage.. not everyone is a software dev, and on the other hand making easily installable .deb packages somehow seems harder than it should be
09:18 AM tcurdt: availability is such a pain atm ... I feel the pain pcw---home
09:18 AM tcurdt: thanks for the info ... reading now!
09:20 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, the armf deb is still there if you want it
09:20 AM JT-Cave: ok
09:21 AM JT-Cave: got it
09:21 AM Tom_L: k
09:22 AM Tom_L: gonna take a hit on your bandwidth restoring...
09:42 AM JT-Shop: I don't think I get as much of a hit uploading as I do downloading
09:56 AM JT-Cave: now the $64 question is does the deb install and work correctly?
10:43 AM Tom_L: i can try in a bit
10:47 AM JT[m]: Thanks
10:56 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
10:56 AM Tom_dev: PROGRAM ERROR
10:56 AM Tom_dev: A Program Error Occurred in updates.py line 21
10:56 AM Tom_dev: 'name'
10:56 AM Tom_L: that's on the 64bit version
10:57 AM Tom_L: line 35 on the armf version
10:57 AM Tom_L: i did a pull on the very last one i think if you need something
11:13 AM roycroft: it's time for having no fun at work for a while
11:14 AM roycroft: we've been migrating our customers to a new mail server for over a year, and there are two domains to go
11:14 AM roycroft: i'm starting to work on the domain whose users are mostly old real estate agents who are very stubborn and unwilling to deal with technology
11:15 AM roycroft: everyone is getting a new password and will have to reconfigure their mail software
11:15 AM roycroft: most have not changed their password or mail settings in 20 years or so
11:15 AM CloudEvil: I am reminded of the most 90s software description I have ever seen.
11:15 AM roycroft: there is going to be a *LOT* of pushback
11:16 AM CloudEvil: 'Zip2 allowed for two-way communication between users and advertisers. Users could message advertisers and have that message forwarded to their fax machine. Likewise, advertisers could fax users and users could view that fax using specific URLs.
11:16 AM roycroft: as well, this domain has the highest number of users with ginormous inboxes, and all my admonishments over the years to organize their mail has fallen on deaf ears
11:16 AM roycroft: so i made the decision that anyone whose inbox is >500MB will not have their inbox migrated on the conversion date
11:16 AM roycroft: instead, their inbox will be renamed and copied over later on
11:17 AM roycroft: i just don't have a long enough maintenance window to copy that much data
11:17 AM CloudEvil: I can hear the screaming from here.
11:17 AM roycroft: so i anticipate a lot of yelling
11:17 AM roycroft: fortuantely, the office phone number does not ring in my office unless nobody is in the main office
11:18 AM roycroft: this domain only has ~50 users, but i'm pretty sure that the support load will be greater for those 50ish users than all the thousands of other customers whom we've moved already combined
11:18 AM roycroft: but you know
11:18 AM roycroft: every couple decades or so things have to change
11:19 AM Tom_L: JT[m], also building the package after clone
11:20 AM CloudEvil: roycroft: If I had a billion or two spare, I would invest a modest chunk in feature freezes. For people barely coping, changing UI can fuck them.
11:20 AM roycroft: if i pull this migration off without losing any customers, perhaps linuxcnc users will be able to migrate from wheezy to something more modern :)
11:21 AM roycroft: cloudevil: the saving grace in this is that i moved all our domains to a new webmail system over a year ago, when i started this
11:21 AM Tom_dev: Now running lintian mesact_0.7.0_amd64.changes ...
11:21 AM Tom_dev: W: mesact source: ancient-standards-version 3.9.3 (released 2012-02-23) (current is 4.3.0)
11:21 AM Tom_dev: Finished running lintian.
11:21 AM roycroft: customers on the old system can point their browser to mail.domain.com, and they can access their mail on the old server via webmail
11:22 AM Tom_dev: seemed to build ok
11:22 AM CloudEvil: :)
11:22 AM roycroft: on the day of the move, they will use the same url, but i will repoint it to the new server
11:22 AM roycroft: so there will be some ui consistency in that respec
11:22 AM roycroft: t
11:22 AM roycroft: i do have one user who has been bitching for months
11:23 AM roycroft: he has some ancient macs, and neither mail.app nor their browsers like the secure certificates that we use in modern times
11:23 AM roycroft: the user has some newer macs, and they work fine, but he wants to be able to access his mail with the old macs too
11:23 AM roycroft: i just told him that's not possible
11:24 AM roycroft: he can install new root certs on his ancient cruft if he wants
11:24 AM roycroft: but that's up to him to deal with
11:24 AM roycroft: i can do nothing on my end to make it work for him
11:25 AM roycroft: when all the root certificates on your machine have expired, i cannot sign a certificate against any of them, and even if i could, they would fail because the certs are expired
11:30 AM CloudEvil: technically, unsecured email. Buut.
11:31 AM roycroft: i don't allow non-tls/ssl connections
11:34 AM CloudEvil: For good reason
01:12 PM roycroft: the runway at luton airport is melting
01:13 PM Tom_L: didn't use concrete?
01:14 PM roycroft: it's never gotten hot in the uk before
01:14 PM Tom_L: i'd think they would just for the weight
01:15 PM roycroft: yeah, luton is one of the biggest airports in the uk, and handles giant jets
01:15 PM Tom_L: that's what happened to jabara airport here when the dreamlifter landed there by mistake
01:15 PM Tom_L: and it _is_ concrete
01:15 PM Tom_L: but for lighter planes
01:16 PM Tom_L: just not thick enough
01:16 PM roycroft: it may hit 41 in parts of the uk
01:16 PM roycroft: which is not too unusual for here, nor in much of the us
01:16 PM roycroft: but it's totally unprecedented there
01:17 PM roycroft: and brits generally don't have air conditioners, because it's rarely necessary
01:17 PM Tom_L: 99F right now expected 106 here today
01:17 PM roycroft: that's rather warm
01:18 PM Tom_L: over 100 for the forseeable future (at least the 10 day)
01:18 PM roycroft: it's only 24 here right now, with a high of 33 today
01:18 PM roycroft: we may hit the upper 30s next week
01:19 PM roycroft: i have a meeting after work today out at the fair
01:19 PM roycroft: so i'm glad it's not going to be too hot
01:29 PM roycroft: so does anyone have any thoughts on compression vs tension springs for holding a pinion tight to a rack?
01:30 PM roycroft: i can either pull it up to the rack or push it up to the rack
01:30 PM roycroft: i'm not sure that there's an inherent advantage to either method, other than location of the spring
01:31 PM Tom_L: typically compression are used
01:31 PM Tom_L: also for collet retention knobs etc
01:31 PM roycroft: there is certainly a much wider variety of compression springs than tension springs
01:32 PM roycroft: so that would be another advantage - ease of finding one with the desired specifications
01:32 PM roycroft: it is also pretty easy to adjust the force of a compression spring
01:33 PM roycroft: as easy as tightening a nut
01:35 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of putting the entire motor mount assembly on a pivot pin, so that i can keep consistent tension on the motor to pinion drive belt, and push the entire assembly up into the rack
01:36 PM Tom_L: if you do, add a spring or such to keep it from bouncing
01:36 PM roycroft: yes, this is the spring i'm taking about
01:36 PM Tom_L: or skipping
01:36 PM Tom_L: k
01:37 PM Tom_L: well if the pinion skipped you'd have bigger problems. i was thinking belt
01:37 PM roycroft: hopefully i'll be able to start work on the mount design tonight after my meeting
01:37 PM roycroft: oh, i'll definitely add a tensioner to the belt
01:37 PM roycroft: either an idler wheel or slots for the motor mount
01:38 PM roycroft: i'm not expecting the pinion to jump
01:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Motormount3.jpg
01:38 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Motormount4.jpg
01:38 PM roycroft: but having it spring loaded would both ensure good, constant contact, which will hopefully eliminate almost all backlash, and also allow it to move a bit if a chip or something gets into the rack, without damaging anything
01:39 PM roycroft: yeah, slots like that are what i'll probably do
01:39 PM XXCoder: would there be damping?
01:39 PM roycroft: a spring-loade idler wheel would be nice, but that adds complexity and takes up space
01:39 PM Tom_L: those belts don't stretch that much
01:40 PM roycroft: it's probably easier to just add slots like that
01:40 PM Tom_L: i don't think you need a spring there
01:40 PM roycroft: which also makes installation/removal a lot easier
01:40 PM Tom_L: add a screw tensioner if you like but i didn't
01:40 PM Tom_L: no room
01:40 PM roycroft: i'm not sure that will be necessary
01:41 PM roycroft: but i'll see what works when i start doing the drawings
01:41 PM roycroft: i need to go work on my bandsaw outfeed table now, as it's lunch time
01:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: an anti-backlash spring is only as good as its force
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 1- using a pinion gear split in half so you can preload the 2 halves in opposite directions.
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2-Using a helical pinion & Rack.
01:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 3-Using 2 pinion gears and preloading them in different directions.
01:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and springs vs opposing motors
01:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: 042996963
01:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/12709-Simple-Rack-and-Pinion-Zero-Backlash-%28no-springs%29
01:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I did have plan to build a high precision CNC milling machine but I just never have to time to do anything about it
01:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: now all the parts I bought are just sitting there and taking room in the garage. Would you guys recommend me to sell everything in one go or part it out
01:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: Gantry, Parker Daedal XYZ linear stage, Parker Servo and drive, big 8020 table, MESA 6i25-7i77 kit
01:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it all depends on the price
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and shipping costs
02:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: new stages or used stages?
02:00 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I see
02:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: servo drives and motors the same, new or used? which models of drives?
02:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I use lots of what you listed
02:03 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I can go grab the info
02:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: new or used?
02:05 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: used
02:05 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: all used
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "Parker Daedal XYZ linear stage, Parker Servo and drive" are always on ebay
02:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: MESA 6i25 are hard to find right now
02:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/314056097673?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3Dd57861024fb1497cab61a0fbd8d1327b%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D255275046957%26itm%3D314056097673%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2334524%26brand%3DParker&_trksid=p2334524.c100667.m2042
02:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I tihink I have 2 of these
02:07 PM * VladimirPuTim[m] uploaded an image: (366KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jauriarts.org/uSMMSeDssKdkWWSTklQfaIjG/unknown.png >
02:07 PM XXCoder: interesting machine design
02:08 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I have gotten tons form next.day.automation
02:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: Im somewhat sure mine are that
02:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but now sure how to get rid of these the fastest
02:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it looks nearly complete
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: from my experience DIY machines are scary to a business and a hobbyist generally has limited funds
02:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and since it's not even working it's even scarier
02:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but parts are parts
02:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: those are really nice positioners
02:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it is complete with parts
02:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I just dont have time to finish it off
02:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: are those Gemini drives?
02:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: and I need to room to for osmething else
02:14 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/403730855120?hash=item5e003bf4d0:g:Z2sAAOSwnE5isha3
02:14 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: these
02:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: not sur what is a gemini drive
02:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: the servo amps/drives
02:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: apparently nextdayautomation have eveyrhting I do
02:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lol
02:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i have used tons of those servo motors
02:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: your parts are way beyond the avg CNC DIYer
02:16 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: the drive is TQ10
02:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and DIYers find servos to be scary
02:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.parkermotion.com/products/Servo_Drive_Controllers__1882__30_32_80_567_29.html
02:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I might have use for those soon
02:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: what are you working on?
02:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: honestly lmk if you want to take these off my hand
02:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I build custom machines
02:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: best case scenario is I sell of the XYZ stage and servo+ drive
02:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I want to keep the table
02:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: oh niice
02:19 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I just dont have time to learn how to wire these up and do linuxcnc anymore
02:19 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I thought I budget enough time
02:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm working on CNC glassworking machines currently
02:19 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, the error is because I didn't create a release in the repo yet but that's fixed now
02:19 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: damn nice
02:20 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I need some glasswork done
02:20 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but planning to get them waterjet
02:20 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: design for manufacturing is hard
02:21 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: please dm me if you want to get them
02:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'm working on CNC glass blowing
02:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and automated fusing
02:23 PM CaptHindsight[m]: like a robotic welder only for glass
02:24 PM CaptHindsight[m]: CNC lathes for glass will automate the forming of glass from tubes
02:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: some sort of CNC glass cutter would be handy for cutting tempered glass
02:26 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, ok, i built it here and it looked fine as well
02:28 PM Tom_L: enough outside work for today, gettin too hot
02:28 PM * Tom_L goes for a shower and nap
02:28 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: Im attempting to do that with a bridgeport
02:28 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: stick the cutter in the r8 drill chuck
02:28 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it has a spring so it is kinda floaty
02:28 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: then let's it go
02:28 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, I also fixed a bug checking for updates from the Help menu
02:29 PM Tom_L: ok, should i build another armf one for that?
02:29 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo2qvxnshLM
02:30 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: im posting on craiglist, I dont want a paypal account so no ebay for me
02:31 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: cutting glass with angled grinder
02:31 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: gigachad
02:31 PM JT-Shop: yes
02:31 PM Tom_L: ok after the shower...
02:32 PM Tom_L: what will i notice different if anything?
02:33 PM JT-Shop: yep Help > Check for Updates will work and not error out
02:36 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: my drive is exactly that
02:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: all great stuff
02:40 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: part of me wonder
02:40 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: should I call nextdayautomation
02:40 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: and see how much they willing to buy them for
02:40 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but I think I went over my head a bit
02:40 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they might give you 25% of their sales price
02:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I could probably have that working in a day
02:41 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: that is impressive
02:41 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: honestly I wonder what is worht it more
02:42 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: have it to work or maybe just sell it
02:42 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I have a knee mill
02:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: what was your plan for it?
02:42 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I was planning to do some precision machining for my side project
02:43 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: im an EE but I want to get into fluidics shit
02:43 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: you know i was like, im a fucking EE, cant be that hard to get it working
02:43 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: nope
02:43 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: big wrong
02:43 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: no time, no experience
02:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/gLwOHAg.png was all linear servo, contactless application
02:44 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I dont know what I was thinking
02:44 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: holy shit that looks awesome
02:44 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: my plan was to have something that cool
02:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: working with LCNC is getting used to lots of jargon is all
02:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: wiring and tuning is no big deal
02:45 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but the docs are kinda dumbed down so I have to check the data sheets to see what the IO's actually do
02:45 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: are you around MN by any chances?
02:46 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: im actaully local to nextday
02:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: close, but closer to Chicago
02:46 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: oh nice
02:46 PM CaptHindsight[m]: ah I was planning a trip up there again but Covid again
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: oops
02:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: was up there for work Sept of '20
02:47 PM roguish[m]: capt_hindsight[m]: you have the crud again?
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I dodged that shit for 2 years straight
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: went to a sold out concert
02:47 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and boom?
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: got it instantly
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yup
02:47 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: big meme
02:48 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: college kid party to hard
02:48 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it was by the local university
02:48 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: s/to/too/
02:48 PM CaptHindsight[m]: roguish[m]: nope, just trying to avoid the current spike
02:48 PM roguish[m]: ah, definitely agree....
02:49 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: good plan
02:49 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it iskinda a **
02:49 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: got it a month and a half ago
02:49 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: still cough
02:49 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: luike heighten cough sensitivity
02:49 PM CaptHindsight[m]: last summer and again this past winter
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2nd time lasted for months
02:50 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: months?
02:50 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yike sorry
02:50 PM CaptHindsight[m]: brain fog was the worst, can't think, can't work
02:50 PM XXCoder: I just hope I never get it. my lungs is damaged already. im been dizzy for 2 years. I certainly dont need more problems
02:50 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I never got that
02:51 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: or maybe I wasnt thinking at all anytime
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: slept 12+ hours a day
02:51 PM roguish[m]: XXCoder: if you lungs are messed up, find a really good asthma doc...
02:51 PM CaptHindsight[m]: a workout was a half mile walk
02:52 PM XXCoder: roguish[m]: no reason to. we know why it is
02:52 PM XXCoder: I had pemenia for 7th time, when doctor told me it would kill me if I had it again (after 6th), he was almost right
02:52 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: running all the cables cleanly will take a couple/few days
02:52 PM roguish[m]: yeah, but you might be able to get some help. lots of asthma meds.
02:53 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: do you recommend any site to get rid of these then
02:53 PM XXCoder: its not asthma. its damage
02:53 PM roguish[m]: still, lots of meds
02:53 PM roguish[m]: breathing is kinda important.
02:53 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but getting it just hooked up to run in a day, you have the servo cables that are just plug and play....
02:54 PM XXCoder: roh yeah ill listen to my doctor
02:54 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea but at this point, I have my knee mill
02:54 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: and 2axis cnc
02:54 PM roycroft: xxcoder: today's covid-19 is not last year's covid-19
02:54 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I dont know if I still want a cnc like this anymore
02:55 PM XXCoder: roy didnt say otherwise. I know :) still concerned anyway
02:55 PM XXCoder: I might "get lucky" or even if not, I still dont need more problems
02:55 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: like just want to get rid all of it ngl
02:55 PM * JT-Shop gives up looking and orders some figure 8 fasteners from amazon
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: you parts would be great for printing electronics
02:55 PM roycroft: while it is still best to avoid it, the current strains tend to be much less harmful than the older ones, and, more importantly, the disease is quite treatable now
02:55 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/EAF5oPj.jpg
02:56 PM CaptHindsight[m]: i print 200um lines with a $10 airbrush (modified)
02:56 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: the doctor refused to give meds
02:56 PM roycroft: if the state of the pandemic were still what it was even at the beginning of this year i would not have attended the country fair a couple weeks ago
02:56 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: you are young and healthy
02:56 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: * "you are, * and healthy"
02:56 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea but med would be nice you know
02:56 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lol
02:57 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: ngl that is kinda cool af
02:57 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: you can start making low tolerance PCB
02:57 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lithography way maybe
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: inkjet and microvalves get down to the microns
02:57 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and electrostatic is even sub-micron
02:58 PM roycroft: crayons and acid baths work too
02:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea at work I do 3mil work
02:58 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it is kinda crazy
02:58 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: yeah I easily get a few microns using DLP
02:59 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: geez
02:59 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/b4zPwKo.jpg this used LCNC as well
03:00 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: so you stuck a projector there?
03:00 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: UV filter lense?
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: UV led ~400nm
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: that pic was when the lamp was still in
03:00 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: awesome
03:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/bO3oIC9.jpg copper inkjet
03:00 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: so is that your business?
03:01 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: build exotic cnc machine/
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 3mil lines from 12 years ago or so
03:01 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: dude
03:01 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I barely could get 3 mil line now
03:01 PM CaptHindsight[m]: pretty much what can't be found off the shelf
03:01 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lol
03:01 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: like not all vendor does it
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you parts would be nice for 5-axis printing
03:02 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i get a 404 error
03:02 PM JT-Shop: from?
03:02 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://i.imgur.com/LOriL1y.png
03:02 PM Tom_L: one sec
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03:02 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: damn nice
03:02 PM Tom_L: i did a git clone and built it here and installed and..
03:03 PM Tom_dev: PROGRAM ERROR
03:03 PM Tom_dev: A Program Error Occurred in request.py line 649
03:03 PM Tom_dev: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
03:03 PM Tom_L: on the 64bit pc
03:03 PM Tom_L: getting ready to try the rpi
03:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: some automation suppliers might be able to make the machines, but not the materials, inks, coatings, software etc etc
03:03 PM CaptHindsight[m]: make it actually all work
03:03 PM JT-Shop: what did you do to get the error?
03:04 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: CaptainHindsight lmk if you know anyone want to buy these linear stages
03:04 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: or if you need them for a new build
03:04 PM JT-Shop: request.py is a python library not part of mesact
03:04 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: Im sure my price can beat nextday
03:04 PM Tom_L: tried to dl the deb
03:04 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: by a good margin
03:05 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I'll let you know
03:05 PM JT-Shop: ok, thanks
03:05 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: thanks
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: if you change your mind, I'm happy to guide you through wiring and setup
03:06 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it is a hard debate
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: so often it's a frankenchina set of crappy parts
03:06 PM CaptHindsight[m]: with no docs
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: "how to wire a mystery controller"
03:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: because I dont know if a small CNC like this or a knee mill 2 axis CNC
03:07 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but it was only $50
03:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea i know
03:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: my parts are like baller af
03:07 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but huge huge huge buyer regret
03:07 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, same error on the rpi4
03:07 PM Tom_L: dl 64 bit version
03:08 PM Tom_L: as well as the 32 bit version
03:08 PM Tom_L: permissions?
03:09 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: so positioners, servos and controllers but not the table and gantry?
03:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: preferably I keep that table
03:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but gantry can go
03:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: no problem
03:09 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: it is just that Idk if anyone will want to buy a gantry
03:10 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I tried to design it like a haas
03:10 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: xy table with Z on gantry
03:10 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but anything can go
03:10 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: the only I wont sell alone is the table
03:10 PM CaptHindsight[m]: it's too precision for glasswork, nice for printed electronics or near micron machining of small parts
03:11 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: or maybe I could get it to work to run my parts on it
03:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: or wide area few micron res DLP/SLA
03:12 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, something broke in the url... looking
03:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 2um res MEMS lithography
03:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: dude
03:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: now you make me reconsider
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah
03:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I do have extremely nice setup
03:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: you'll kick yourself in 6 months
03:13 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: all the part alone is insane
03:14 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: how much do you think it worth tho?
03:14 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: im putting it on sale for $6.2k
03:14 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i did notice it seems like it's an extra level deep on the directory /mesact/mesact etc
03:14 PM CaptHindsight[m]: if the positioners are in good shape ....
03:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I think they are
03:15 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, maybe that's just something i did locally
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: yeah, that is fair
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and you have the servo cables and matching everything
03:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: like IM still leaning toward getting just money for it ngl
03:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea
03:15 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but it lying to said it isnt attractive
03:15 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: I have a box full of the connectors and pins that Parker uses
03:16 PM CaptHindsight[m]: I usually have to make my own cables
03:16 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lol
03:16 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, no it's 404 here too
03:16 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: if I cant sell it within a month or so
03:16 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I might just attempt to make it work
03:16 PM Tom_L: ok
03:17 PM Tom_L: i meant when you restored it, did it get moved a level deeper?
03:17 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: like I said it's mostly jargon and some wiring time
03:17 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: but I think 80% of it is alreayd done
03:17 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: i.e cable
03:17 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I dont have to make them
03:18 PM Tom_L: it looks the same to me
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: no spindle yet?
03:18 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, yep it's an extra level deep for some reason
03:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: no spindle
03:18 PM CaptHindsight[m]: room for a laser
03:18 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: lol
03:19 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I dropped my optic class
03:19 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, fix the code or the repo?
03:19 PM Tom_L: :)
03:19 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: those positioners might have been used for wafer processing
03:19 PM JT-Cave: code
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: they have crossed rollers
03:20 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: likely
03:20 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I was thining about doing lithography too
03:20 PM CaptHindsight[m]: LCNC can control SEM's
03:21 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and a SEM may be turned into an e-beam
03:22 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: yea but I dont know if I have time for it
03:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://www.jcnabity.com/
03:25 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TimFlimFlam: IF you ever want it again it will likely cost you more
03:25 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, I remember changing a few things in the download code, must not have tested my changes
03:26 PM Tom_L: lemme know and i'll rebuild it
03:26 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: actually I just check
03:26 PM JT-Cave: fixed now, test on your end when you get time
03:26 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: the xy table are different
03:26 PM Tom_L: ok i'll get the changes and build both
03:26 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: https://www.ebay.com/itm/334489571487?hash=item4de121d09f:g:xvUAAOSwQp1ivc8t
03:26 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: there is a big one and a small one
03:27 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I think if I get to the point that I will need it again
03:27 PM VladimirPuTim[m]: I might just need to eat it
03:28 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, git reset --hard?
03:31 PM Tom_L: ok works on 64bit pc
03:31 PM Tom_L: both versions
03:32 PM Tom_L: i'll build the arm and ul it in a bit
03:33 PM JT-Cave: Tom_L, you should just have to do git pull --rebase
03:34 PM Tom_L: ok
03:34 PM Tom_L: i'm not that git savvy
03:35 PM Tom_L: it's building then i'll test it and ul
03:37 PM JT-Shop: ok
03:37 PM Tom_L: takes a bit longer on the rpi
03:50 PM Tom_L: mmm new router should arrive thur
03:51 PM Tom_L: then i get to reset all that crap again
03:51 PM JT-Shop: wife must have been hungry when she went shopping... came home with two kinds of peanuts and cheese-it grooves too
03:51 PM JT-Shop: what did you get?
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03:52 PM Tom_itx: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FMSC5WZ?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image
03:53 PM Tom_itx: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BJHS3X7?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image
03:53 PM JT-Shop: ha I thought you meant a ROUTER
03:53 PM Tom_itx: that will follow sunday
03:53 PM Tom_L: naw i'm not a woodpecker
03:53 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:53 PM Tom_L: probably been 10 yrs since i updated anything
03:54 PM Tom_L: they all use wifi. mine are hard wired
03:54 PM Tom_L: and it wasn't me complaining about it
04:02 PM Tom_L: ok new armhf deb uploaded
04:03 PM Tom_L: both work on the rpi4 now
04:04 PM JT-Shop: cool
04:04 PM Tom_L: still have the link?
04:06 PM JT-Shop: yes
04:06 PM JT-Shop: saved it in my notes.txt file
04:06 PM Tom_L: procrastinating on this medicare crap...
04:08 PM roycroft: medicare is entirely too complicated
04:08 PM roycroft: it's almost as complicated as private insurance
04:09 PM XXCoder: roycroft: indeed :( wish I have it lol
04:10 PM XXCoder: im entirely uncovered for now
04:12 PM roycroft: well medicaid should cover you
04:13 PM XXCoder: normally would yes
04:13 PM XXCoder: I dont have ss started yet so I have zero income and zero health coverage
04:13 PM JT-Shop: medicaid only covers you if you're pennyless and homeless
04:13 PM XXCoder: jt not quite
04:13 PM JT-Shop: well close
04:14 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:16 PM roycroft: none of this has to be complicated
04:16 PM roycroft: if you need to see a doctor you see a doctor
04:16 PM roycroft: if you need meds you get meds
04:16 PM roycroft: that's how it works in most countries
04:16 PM XXCoder: yep
04:17 PM XXCoder: roy know what would make you laugh, or cry?
04:17 PM roycroft: we spend way more per capita on health care than anywhere else in the world, with much worse results than in many parts of the world, and with a significant percentage of our population with no health care
04:17 PM XXCoder: I had medicare whole time I worked
04:17 PM roycroft: medicaid, i think
04:17 PM XXCoder: yes and yes.
04:17 PM roycroft: medicare is for 65 and older only
04:17 PM XXCoder: and disabled
04:17 PM XXCoder: so when ssdi temp acceptance expired, I lost BOTH medicare and medicaid
04:21 PM roycroft: there's rather little politics here, but i suppose some folks' threshold is zero, and i can appreciate that
04:21 PM roycroft: ack, mischan
04:22 PM XXCoder: lol
04:22 PM roycroft: although i think that applies here too
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: cults don't allow any outsider info or it wouldn't be a cult, so no discussions are allowed outside of cult leaders guidelines
04:41 PM CaptHindsight[m]: nothing new
04:42 PM CaptHindsight[m]: interesting and sad to see this on such a large scale
04:44 PM CaptHindsight[m]: learn from history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z09bNgSeMI
04:53 PM roycroft: history is overrated
04:53 PM roycroft: alternative facts rule!
04:54 PM XXCoder: cat is dog #alternatefacts
04:59 PM pere: can linuxcnc do surface mapping and corrections, ala <URL: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VY4cevyGYA4 >?
05:03 PM roycroft: aah, the flea medicine arrived early
05:03 PM roycroft: my cat will have relief shortly
05:03 PM XXCoder: awesome
05:03 PM XXCoder: pere: should be lemme see that project
05:04 PM roycroft: i need to head off for my meeting, but i'll apply the medicine first
05:05 PM XXCoder: wha suddenly I cant find that site
05:22 PM CaptHindsight[m]: fake lie sale today, all fake lies are 50% off the regular retail price
06:19 PM TheMightyFozz: Hi folks. I am building a 8ftx4ft cnc router is there any plug-ins for freecad that could help my workflow, or just cool? I messaged #freecad, but its deathly quiet there.
06:19 PM XXCoder: dont know either
06:20 PM XXCoder: couldnt answer your question as I havent needed Path yet
06:21 PM TheMightyFozz: Thanks. what do you use for g-code generation?
06:22 PM XXCoder: ehh slicer. only 3d printing for now lol. my cnc router is down foir now due to lack of space
06:22 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: I use v-carve for router g-code gen. Costs money but works really well.
06:23 PM TheMightyFozz: ok thanks xxcoder.
06:25 PM TheMightyFozz: I looked at freecad 10 years ago. Putting it politely crap.. now it looks fantastic. websites great too. I just wish it had a place to type commands instead of context menus. probably me being too used to blender.
06:25 PM XXCoder: 10 years isnt that 0.3
06:25 PM XXCoder: 0.3 crashed if you looked at it wrong
06:25 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oia-BBvc_pA
06:26 PM XXCoder: that seems interesting for you. machining sheet to make into sandlaster
06:26 PM TheMightyFozz: I was doing my degree. (3D Design), it was almost unusable.
06:26 PM XXCoder: 2019 eh bit older though not too old
06:26 PM XXCoder: 0.18 isnt too different from .20
06:27 PM XXCoder: oh yeah PATH is one thats been getting lot of upgrades so I might be wrong there
06:27 PM TheMightyFozz: not sure of the version but i didn't like it at the time.
06:29 PM TheMightyFozz: i think it was about the time Blender CAM was a thing. (sad to see that die)
06:31 PM CaptHindsight[m]: and someone could port Pycam to cython and call it CyCAM
06:34 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: have you seen https://www.scorchworks.com/
06:35 PM TheMightyFozz: Oh after I build my 8x4 router I want to give building a robotic arm router a go. I haven't seen any videos or completed projects online using LinuxCNC. is it possible? ..also what would you use to generate the gcode for that.
06:35 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: #FreeCAD_Path:gitter.im
06:36 PM TheMightyFozz: CaptHindsight YES. that guy is fantastic.
06:36 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: robot arm is not a problem for LCNC
06:36 PM TheMightyFozz: capt is that a chat address?
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: on Matrix
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#FreeCAD_Path:gitter.im using a browser
06:37 PM TheMightyFozz: Matrix, lol.. is that another server?
06:37 PM CaptHindsight[m]: chat service
06:38 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: Yes it is possible. You would need to setup the kinematics in LinuxCNC to translate the arm joint movements to XYZABC coordinates. To generate the gcode you can use standard tools for 3 axis but you will need something more advanced for 5 axis/
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: open source CAM is just not there yet, I have to write my own
06:39 PM CaptHindsight[m]: especially for >3 axis
06:41 PM TheMightyFozz: for this i might start little and make a nema17 based foam cutter. I have spent way too much on my 8x4 so far. That way i can probably 3d print some of it and save money if i decide to build it bigger.
06:49 PM TheMightyFozz: that's what i figured. the youtuber jeremy fielding, would have probably gone open-source for his build, if it was viable. I think the software he uses is cheap/free for a educational licence and not too expensive for a commercial. I could probably blag a licence if i play it right.
07:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: TheMightyFozz: I haven't seen anything that he has a video for that can't be controlled by LCNC
07:12 PM CaptHindsight[m]: but I haven't spent much time looking at his videos, only a mere skim of his channel
08:18 PM MikeM[m]: So I have an odd problem. I have been doing some work in my HAL files today. Somehow the Z Axis is now wanting to home in the botton position instead of the top. No changes to the .ini, in fact even pulled a backup from a week ago.
08:19 PM MikeM[m]: Changes were centered around joypad and pyvcp
08:19 PM MikeM[m]: Not sure what I would have done to reverse that axis.
08:35 PM MikeM[m]: Resaved all my files and now it is working right. Something weird happened.
08:37 PM XXCoder: MikeM[m]: changed wiring in any way for z? stepper connected backwards would move other direction for example
08:37 PM XXCoder: look at numbers, when its moving, is number changing in correct direction?
08:37 PM MikeM[m]: No wiring changes, just HAL changes.
08:38 PM MikeM[m]: Well, it is working correctly now
08:39 PM MikeM[m]: Will run some tests on it to make sure it is truly working right again.
08:39 PM MikeM[m]: just strange
08:41 PM roycroft: my cat still seems miserable, but i think that will change overnight
08:52 PM XXCoder: think its not instant, it affects eggs only I think? or slow poison
08:53 PM MikeM[m]: Hope your cat feels better
08:58 PM MikeM[m]: I have been playing around with the HAL files directly, been learning a lot. I got a joypad configured as pendant pretty nicely now. Would never have gotten it working right with PNC Config.
08:59 PM roycroft: my past experience is that it has a significant effect overnight
09:00 PM roycroft: it affects the adult fleas directly
09:00 PM XXCoder: ok
09:02 PM MikeM[m]: poor kitty has fleas? Sorry to hear that. Dealt with that with my pup a couple years ago. Took a lot of effort to rid him of them.
09:02 PM roycroft: advantage is absorbed by the cat's skin, and it takes up to 24 hours to spread throughout the kin
09:03 PM roycroft: mikem: she's in indoor cat, but a few weeks ago she snuck out the door and went on an adventure
09:03 PM roycroft: this is the price she paid for that
09:03 PM XXCoder: reminds me of someone who didnt take care of cat well. fleas was so bad cat was very weak
09:03 PM roycroft: i feel sorry for her, but it's also her own fault
09:04 PM XXCoder: refused to cat, ny sis in law saved her by mixing small amount of catnip on food
09:04 PM MikeM[m]: oh no! I have indoor cat too. She will jump outside sometimes when letting the dogs in or out, but never leaves the concrete pad of the patio.
09:04 PM roycroft: i need to do some serious vacuuming and general housecleaning to get as may of the eggs as i can
09:04 PM XXCoder: that cat lived for few more years before dying to age
09:05 PM MikeM[m]: If you have carpeting there is a spray for killing fleas in it. I found it to be very effective.
09:06 PM MikeM[m]: Like immediate.
09:06 PM MikeM[m]: Fleas don't fly, but they jump like crazy.
10:19 PM roycroft: correct
10:19 PM roycroft: fleas cannot flye
10:19 PM roycroft: fly
10:20 PM roycroft: and many species are blind
10:20 PM roycroft: those who can see have simple, not compound eyes, which is somewhat unusual for insects
10:20 PM roycroft: all they're really good at is sucking blood, laying eggs, and spreading disease
10:21 PM XXCoder: remind me of that interesting fact, if you put bunch of flies in clear box, they will smack on top for short while, but start jumping just high enough to stay below lid