#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 02 2022
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:42 AM pere: I got the linuxcnc button to take the machine out of estop working, but it do not work to take it into estop. which pin/signal should I hook up to for that?
01:00 AM Deejay: moin
03:05 AM travis_farmer: G'Morning, to whomever is awake :-)
03:06 AM XXCoder: lol https://youtu.be/OGyiqs3zCrs
03:06 AM XXCoder: "note to myself, stop when I see wood chips, definitely stop when I see cast iron chips"
03:46 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:06 AM miss0r: the day before yesterday 12 hours of work. yesterday 14 hours. Today; 6 hours so far.. still a few more to go. Isn't being selfemployed a joy to behold :D
04:06 AM * miss0r still enjoys every second of it
04:07 AM XXCoder: lol
04:24 AM mrec: https://snipboard.io/49yaWE.jpg folding some more stainless
04:24 AM XXCoder: nice
04:40 AM mrec: I think I will machine some gooseneck next time for custom sized u-channels
04:48 AM Tom_L: morning
04:50 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:51 AM TurBoss: morning
04:54 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i found one error ^^
04:54 AM JT-Shop: well it's still printing...
04:54 AM JT-Shop: be down in a minute
04:54 AM Tom_L: and a couple notes
04:55 AM Tom_L: pere, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/iov2.html
04:57 AM JT-Cave: yo
04:58 AM Tom_L: around 7:03 ^^
05:55 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:23 AM JT-Cave: <Tom_L> A program error occurred in updates.py lnie 65 'str' obj has no attribute 'curentData'
06:23 AM JT-Cave: how did you get this error?
06:39 AM travis_farmer: just curious... who is KimK ? never see him/her write anything... but has voice...
06:48 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, caused when clicking on 'Documents' menu item
06:49 AM JT-Cave: I found it and fixing it
07:10 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:18 AM Loetmichel: *MUHAHA* wife just told me about a tweet. "You'll lick the knife ONCE and the people start talking... Chistian, 26, Surgeon." Wife has laughed for minutes. Me too :)
07:19 AM JT-Cave: something is messed up on this pc and it sounds like the hd is swapping out memory but that's not the case
07:23 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:33 AM JT-Cave: I guess I'll reinstall debian and see what happens
07:44 AM pere: Tom_L: thanks. why is user-request-enable listed twice there?
07:44 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:45 AM pere: Tom_L: also, "requested that estop be cleared" seem to indicate that it can only be used to get out of ESTOP, not into ESTOP?
07:46 AM JT-Cave: maybe a brazilion updates will fix it
07:57 AM JT-Cave: pere, https://forum.linuxcnc.org/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
07:59 AM * JT-Cave wanders off to start his chicken day
08:25 AM pere: JT-cave: Perhaps. Or I'll just create <URL: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/1786 > to fix it.
08:45 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:46 AM JT-Cave: it's weird I can hear through the speakers when the hd is reading/writing, changed hard drives and still the same so not sure what to try next
08:49 AM Tom_L: it's like an electric car with an engine noise in the speakers :)
08:50 AM Tom_L: sure you're not using an ssd with that feature?
08:50 AM Tom_L: seriously though, are any caps going bad on the motherboard?
08:51 AM JT-Cave: dunno how to tell
08:51 AM Tom_L: they swell up and sometimes leak
08:51 AM Tom_L: i had a couple go out on one once
08:52 AM JT-Cave: not seeing anything like that but the cpu fan is not running
08:52 AM Tom_L: wonder how hot the cpu is
08:53 AM Tom_L: i had one once they forgot to remove the plastic cover on the stick on thermal patch and it was brown it got so hot
08:53 AM Tom_L: but it was still working
08:53 AM JT-Cave: pretty hot
08:54 AM Tom_L: start with that
09:14 AM Tom_L: had another once that had something going on with one of the buss chips and would act very strange sometimes
09:38 AM _unreal_: this is the second k400r logitech keyboard I've had that has started putting out phatom letters
09:38 AM _unreal_: dont get it
09:39 AM t4nk_freenode: my logitech wireless keyboard is holding up brilliantly after I fixed it with that conductive paint
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: oohh btw, I got some micro-mesh polishing sheets
09:41 AM t4nk_freenode: expensive to get over here
09:44 AM Tom_L: t4 which wireless?
09:45 AM t4nk_freenode: let's see... 'Cordless Internet Pro'
09:45 AM t4nk_freenode: I think it's pretty old
09:45 AM Tom_L: MX keys here
09:45 AM Tom_L: it's ok
09:46 AM t4nk_freenode: pretty pretty old even ;) I've repaired it about a million times
09:46 AM JT-Cave: something is messed up on the mb,going to put a power supply in another pc and load it up
09:46 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, maybe the heat?
09:46 AM Tom_L: buss problems are hard to identify
09:47 AM Tom_L: basically if you can't find anything else wrong, blame it on the buss
09:49 AM t4nk_freenode: Tom_L, do you have a straight enter key or a larger one with a corner in it?
09:50 AM t4nk_freenode: I bought a cheap wireless desktop from the dollar store the other day, it's nice and very low-power.. but I couldn't get used to the layout
09:52 AM Tom_L: straight i guess
09:52 AM Tom_L: https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/mx-keys-wireless-keyboard.920-009294.html
09:53 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, or memory
09:53 AM _unreal_: or caps
09:53 AM Tom_L: caps was the first thing i mentioned but you were asleep
09:53 AM _unreal_: likely
09:54 AM _unreal_: ok drilled and tapped the stop bolt.
09:54 AM t4nk_freenode: I asked because I also saw these; https://resource.logitech.com/content/dam/logitech/en/products/keyboards/mx-keys-for-business/gallery/mx-keys-business-keyboard-gallery-ch-graphite-1.png
09:54 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, its the stop bolt to keep the axis from end travel
09:55 AM _unreal_: man my little cnc is really starting to show ware
09:55 AM _unreal_: been driving it hard with all of the aluminum work
09:55 AM _unreal_: and those bearings that I chose for it are freaking $5 each :S
09:56 AM _unreal_: then again that was all I had available way back when
09:56 AM _unreal_: I really should re-design it to thrust bearings
09:56 AM _unreal_: but MAN what an M'FER that would be
09:56 AM _unreal_: considering how I built it
09:57 AM _unreal_: way more work then I'm willing to ever do to it
09:58 AM t4nk_freenode: more than, work on ;)
09:58 AM _unreal_: so at this point the only parts I need to mill to start putting the z together are the aluminum spacer blocks
09:58 AM _unreal_: I was going to make them from starboard. but the more I thoght about it.
09:59 AM _unreal_: I could see them flexing
09:59 AM t4nk_freenode: hehe
10:00 AM _unreal_: the screws that are used are all 4mm. even though its 12mm. I can see the HDPE compressing over time for starters
10:01 AM _unreal_: and side loading I can see it shifting. so just going to mill the aluminum. I dont want to but I dont have much of a choice
10:01 AM _unreal_: and if I want to use the dust shoe axis.... well I have no choice
10:01 AM Tom_L: micro atx probably won't fit in a mini itx case ?
10:02 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, depends but likely not
10:02 AM t4nk_freenode: you should probably patch it up a bit before you continue milling I'd say... you'll probably lose accuracy
10:02 AM Tom_L: i need to find another box
10:02 AM _unreal_: I have a bunch of mini ITX pcs'
10:02 AM _unreal_: patch it?
10:02 AM Tom_L: thinking of building up another pc for the mill
10:02 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, pc or case?
10:02 AM Tom_L: so do i
10:02 AM Tom_L: case
10:03 AM Tom_L: it should run preempt-rt ok
10:03 AM Tom_L: but i don't think i can run 2.9 on the old pc
10:03 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, the luxury yachts often use MINI itx pcs for the motor/systems pc interface
10:03 AM _unreal_: typically they use these intel atom 1.5ghz systems. so I have like 3 or so of them?
10:04 AM Tom_L: i have everything but a case
10:04 AM _unreal_: if I'm lucky enough to find them in the dumpsters
10:04 AM Tom_L: i have a couple atom boards already
10:06 AM Tom_L: this board is roughly 7.5 x 10"
10:07 AM _unreal_: kills me I wish this tinkerboard was reliable :(
10:07 AM _unreal_: the boot loop porblem just kills it
10:08 AM _unreal_: if it was not for that I'd use that with this new build :(
10:08 AM _unreal_: but its so hard to get it to turn on.
10:08 AM _unreal_: stable as hell once booted
10:08 AM _unreal_: but having to unplug everything now and then to get it to boot is a total killer
10:09 AM t4nk_freenode: got your new pi yet?
10:10 AM _unreal_: nope
10:10 AM _unreal_: no way https://tinkerboarding.co.uk/ is gone
10:10 AM _unreal_: man there was a lot of info on that site
10:11 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, speaking of. brb checking the mailbox
10:14 AM _unreal_: nope nothing
11:13 AM Thorhian[m]: Hey guys, I'm using the manual tool change HAL component. Is there a way to tell the machine when it gets a tool change command to send the Z-axis up to a certain height so I can actually change the tool instead of it just hovering right about the part?
11:22 AM Tom_L: Thorhian[m], that would be in the gcode
11:23 AM Thorhian[m]: No, I finally found a decent solution. The gcode shouldn't worry about how the machine does a tool change, only that it does one.
11:23 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g28-g28.1
11:23 AM Thorhian[m]: EMCIO
11:23 AM Thorhian[m]: TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION
11:23 AM Thorhian[m]: TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP
11:23 AM JT-Shop: that too
11:23 AM JT-Shop: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/config/ini-config.html#_emcio_section
11:23 AM _unreal_: Thorhian[m], what are you using to generate your gcode?
11:24 AM Thorhian[m]: FreeCAD for now. Can't afford F360.
11:24 AM _unreal_: lol fusion is FREE
11:24 AM Thorhian[m]: Not for commercial use and actually owning what you make.
11:24 AM _unreal_: Thorhian[m], look at ESTLcam
11:25 AM _unreal_: its cheap one time fee
11:25 AM _unreal_: and very powerful
11:25 AM Thorhian[m]: I've used ESTLcam. It's not useful to me.
11:25 AM _unreal_: ?
11:25 AM _unreal_: do tell
11:25 AM Tom_L: i've been using G53 instead of G28 lately
11:27 AM Tom_L: Thorhian[m], be careful using TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION though
11:27 AM Thorhian[m]: Estcam is primarily built for 2D cad drawings, and it's 3D support I find to be lackluster. If you use a 3D model, it only can handle 3D sculpting operations (at least the last time I used it while I was still messing around with an MPCNC back in 2020
11:28 AM Tom_L: make sure you know which axis moves first
11:28 AM Tom_L: else you may hit clamps etc you're not planning on
11:28 AM Thorhian[m]: I'm just going to use Quil up since I have a vertical column machine. I just need it to go up.
11:29 AM _unreal_: Thorhian[m], ? ahhhhh I use estlcam for 3d extensivly
11:29 AM Tom_L: same code as what i use except it's automatic
11:29 AM Tom_L: i put mine in the gcode
11:30 AM Thorhian[m]: unreal do you have something against freecad or something?
11:30 AM _unreal_: Thorhian[m], regardless your gcode generator should have an aspect that add's the height for tool changing in gcode its self.
11:30 AM Tom_L: i also added 'op stop' macros to my post for things like moving clamps etc in the middle of a part
11:31 AM _unreal_: which is better IMO because your height can then be based off the work surface. rather then a blind height.
11:31 AM Tom_L: the quill up thing is perfectly fine
11:31 AM Tom_L: it's not a blind height
11:31 AM Tom_L: it's a predetermined z height
11:31 AM Tom_L: set when you home the machine
11:32 AM Thorhian[m]: Quill up to 0 is just fine. It's pretty ordinary on machines with real tool changers too. On those machines you don't have the "luxury" of changing the tool in any position you want.
11:33 AM Tom_L: no but you _can_ move the work out of the way in gcode if it matters
11:33 AM Tom_L: i recall one time we were using some 8" long endmills to cut a blower hat and it was necessary to move the work to change tools
11:34 AM Thorhian[m]: True. I just don't think the default behavior for tool changing should be defined in your postprocessor unless its absolutely necessary. The machine controller should be handling default behavior.
11:35 AM _unreal_: man. I was going to clean the pool but it started to rain. then I said f it. went in. rain stopped. I just went to go do it again few hours later. big rain storm heading this way again. wtf
11:36 AM Tom_L: Thorhian[m], i would tend to agree with that. there are alot of homebuilt cncs in this croud though
11:36 AM Thorhian[m]: Thankfully some good people are refactoring FreeCAD's post processor system. It should get a lot better during this development cycle.
11:36 AM Tom_L: and most of those i doubt have read even half the docs
11:38 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, ARE YOU calling my small DIY machine ....... O,o crude?????
11:38 AM Thorhian[m]: I've seen pictures lol.
11:40 AM _unreal_: hay it mills aluminum. thats all I care about
11:40 AM _unreal_: and cant wait till the new machine is finished
11:40 AM _unreal_: going to be so amazing.
11:40 AM Tom_L: mine isn't the best either but it works good
11:41 AM _unreal_: ?
11:41 AM _unreal_: not the best?
11:41 AM _unreal_: your machine is 10x more capable then mine.
11:41 AM * JT-Shop2 needs a new motherboard
11:41 AM Tom_L: i did it about half just to test linuxcnc
11:41 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, you figure out what went wrong?
11:41 AM Thorhian[m]: My machine is pretty crude, but it's made of steel and has linear rails and ballscrews. It has done okay so far, but I really want to find it's limits.
11:42 AM Tom_L: same here, mine is thickwall box steel tube
11:42 AM _unreal_: JT-Shop2, you know what happens if you get a hot motherboard?
11:43 AM _unreal_: You end up with a daughter board sooner or later ;)
11:44 AM _unreal_: wow. no reaction from anyone.....
11:44 AM Thorhian[m]: I have 1" thick rectangular bar as the mounting surfaces of the X and Y rail and ballscrew mounting surfaces. The column is a weldment made up of a 3/8" thick steel tube with strips of 5/8" steel bar welded onto the long surface for the rails to mount to.
11:45 AM _unreal_: my machine is made out of G10 :)
11:45 AM Tom_L: Thorhian[m], got any pics?
11:45 AM _unreal_: the new machine though is mostly .5" or thicker aluminum milled plate
11:46 AM _unreal_: the base is a hybrid of PLY, MDF, epoxy coated screwed and glued, with lots of under supports. and 12 support legs under it
11:46 AM Thorhian[m]: Tom_L here is an older video of it homing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-M9gCyJMM
11:47 AM Tom_L: i looked at those spindles when i was making mine
11:47 AM Thorhian[m]: There are tradeoffs.
11:49 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqHV0Or4Ad8
11:49 AM Tom_L: similar
11:49 AM Thorhian[m]: I'd much rather spend 1-2K on a real ATC BT30 Spindle. But I didn't have cash for that.
11:49 AM Tom_L: alot has changed since that
11:50 AM Tom_L: mine was made mostly from scrap
11:50 AM Thorhian[m]: Thats awesome :)
11:50 AM Tom_L: different spindle motor now
11:51 AM Tom_L: literally scrap http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Z_Column2.jpg
11:52 AM Thorhian[m]: I have a 1.8KW servo motor. With gearing I can only get up to 4950 RPM.
11:52 AM _unreal_: Thorhian[m], is that for the spindle?
11:52 AM Tom_L: 5500 on mine
11:52 AM Tom_L: 1.2kw bldc
11:52 AM Thorhian[m]: Yeah unreal.
11:53 AM Tom_L: but i wanted more low end torque
11:53 AM Tom_L: instead of a bazillion rpm paper shredder
11:54 AM Thorhian[m]: The spindle was rated for 8000 RPM, but I'm not sure how much I trust that rating lol. Staying below it is probably a good thing. Also, yeah, I want to cut aluminum but I want to do more than that.
11:54 AM Tom_L: mine cuts steel ok
11:54 AM Tom_L: slow but ok
11:56 AM Thorhian[m]: I spent hours shimming my Z-axis column. I got it to a better place but I'm still not happy about it, but I don't think I can do better for now.
11:57 AM Tom_L: i wouldn't make spacecraft parts with mine either
11:57 AM Tom_L: but you _can_ recognize what the parts are
11:57 AM Thorhian[m]: XD
11:59 AM Tom_L: i did some cutter tests on mine a while back to see how it did
12:04 PM Thorhian[m]: I just got to try out the extensions feature for the 2D adaptive path. It's actually kind of nice. I really should compile a list of papercuts though for sliptonic that I've experienced and talk to him about how some stuff could be improved. I really should learn more about how the UI is defined in python for FreeCAD's GUI.
12:24 PM Tom_L: andypugh, do you know where the changelog is for 2.9? i'd like to see what all they've added / modified
12:25 PM Tom_L: i was looking at halshow last night and was pleased with the changes
12:25 PM andypugh: I don’t think it has been generated yet.
12:25 PM andypugh: (Might be wrong)
12:27 PM andypugh: Try the command in Point 4 here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ReleaseCheckList
12:28 PM andypugh: There is an incomplete list here: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/debian/changelog
12:28 PM andypugh: But it omits big things lke “switched to Python 3 and GTK3”
12:28 PM Tom_L: yeah
12:29 PM Tom_L: buster is probably the oldest debian it will install on now you think?
01:44 PM _unreal_: few more things done
01:44 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, any progress >:)
01:48 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, I cut 345 30cmX30cmx10cm granite blocks since last you asked :)
01:49 PM t4nk_freenode: that pen was too flimsy for my taste, and I didn't do anything after that
01:50 PM t4nk_freenode: I wanted to use a pen first, to determine backlash, if any
01:50 PM t4nk_freenode: and then continue with the PCBs
01:52 PM roycroft: *whew*
01:52 PM roycroft: my booth passed inspection
01:52 PM roycroft: now i don't have a day and a half of unanticipated work to do that i don't have time to do
01:56 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, I showed you how I did the pen older build. and works wonderful and very stiff
01:57 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, but my situation is entirely different
01:57 PM _unreal_: ?
01:57 PM XXCoder: roy nice
02:05 PM JT-Shop2: XXCoder: is there a decent hot end that drops right in an ender 3 pro?
02:06 PM XXCoder: looks like mk8 type
02:06 PM t4nk_freenode: perhaps an all-metal hot end
02:07 PM t4nk_freenode: but options are limited
02:07 PM XXCoder: yeah
02:07 PM XXCoder: out of all enders ender 3 is worse from what im seeing people say
02:08 PM t4nk_freenode: I find it a great machine though
02:08 PM t4nk_freenode: but you are more or less stuck with what you got
02:08 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop2: whats wrong with your hotend anyway
02:09 PM t4nk_freenode: mounting an additional stepper instead of the bowden will destabilize things too much
02:09 PM t4nk_freenode: so printing other materials is pretty much out of the question
02:09 PM JT-Shop2: I think the temperature sensor is off, reading low
02:10 PM XXCoder: you should be able to buy bundle of sensors for pretty cheap
02:13 PM XXCoder: for example https://www.amazon.com/WINSINN-Printer-HT-NTC100K-Thermistor-Extruder/dp/B07F3SMRLJ/
02:13 PM XXCoder: not best or cheapest just first result
02:13 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, ? STUCK WITH what you got?
02:13 PM _unreal_: I am using my current machine to build the new machine
02:14 PM _unreal_: and even then my first setup on my current machine was stupid flimsy. before i used it to build a better z
02:14 PM _unreal_: I'm working on more cad right now
02:14 PM _unreal_: one of the things Ineed to do is mill the alignment blocks
02:14 PM _unreal_: but that is somelthing simple to do. they will mount to the base of each side of the Y axis
02:14 PM _unreal_: and have a single set screw in them
02:14 PM XXCoder: meh amazon reviews on that one is not amazing
02:15 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal_, we were talking 3d-ptinters.
02:15 PM _unreal_: That will allow me to set the angle adjustment when tuning the frame
02:15 PM _unreal_: AHH
02:15 PM _unreal_: and I'm grabbing an other beer
02:18 PM _unreal_: blaaa yummy heineken
02:26 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder, seems like it's a crap shoot with ender 3 thermistors
02:27 PM XXCoder: yup :(
02:27 PM XXCoder: if you can flash firmware, you can find something else, better sensor, and change firmware to use that
02:27 PM XXCoder: its also possible you could be able to tweak setting and just use existing sensor
02:27 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, just adapt and reflash the firmware
02:27 PM t4nk_freenode: Marlin
02:29 PM JT-Shop: been so long since I did anything with Marlin I forgot how
02:30 PM JT-Shop: is it just like Arduino?
02:30 PM t4nk_freenode: or just measure the temp and account for it when you enter the temp to use?
02:30 PM XXCoder: been a while for me too lol
02:30 PM t4nk_freenode: if you got a temp probe that is
02:32 PM JT-Shop: https://marlinfw.org/docs/gcode/M305.html
02:32 PM t4nk_freenode: well, you need to measure the temp either way
02:33 PM JT-Shop: I have a Fluke temperature meter
02:33 PM XXCoder: yeah. temp errors may be due to it being set to wrong sensor type
02:34 PM XXCoder: 100k resistance supposely. can you measure your sensor resistance?
02:34 PM JT-Shop: the problem is measuring the outside is not the same as where the thermistor is
02:34 PM JT-Shop: I should be able to with my multi-meter
02:34 PM XXCoder: jt someone had very long thin wires probe so he put it directly inside hotend. all way into nozzle area (it was cold pulled first to be clean inside)
02:35 PM JT-Shop: I could do that, I need to swap nozzles anyway after I ream the spare one out
02:35 PM XXCoder: based on your too low all time, id guess resistance is bit higher than supposed to be
02:36 PM XXCoder: *yours being
02:36 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, I don't think it will be faulty, just out of spec perhaps
02:36 PM JT-Shop: M305 you can set the resistance at 25c
02:37 PM t4nk_freenode: or just print some of those temp-towers or what they're called, see what looks best
02:47 PM JT-Shop: what is a temp tower?
02:48 PM Thorhian[m]: It's a system of printing a small plastic tower with bridges, and the temperature of the hotend is changed throughout the height of the tower. Allows you to see a range of temps and how the filament prints with those temps.
02:57 PM t4nk_freenode: well put
03:07 PM JT-Shop: a few minutes at the microscope with the nozzle cleaning wire and a 400 grit diamond dressing stone and I have a nice looking nozzle with no burs and a round hole
03:11 PM XXCoder: you might want to try lapping it also
03:11 PM XXCoder: chineseium tend to have bit rough bore
03:12 PM XXCoder: both heat break if all metal, and nozzle
03:13 PM XXCoder: if its not all metal, then just nozzle
03:13 PM JT-Shop: I have some polishing compound
03:13 PM JT-Shop: heat break is the metal tube that goes up into the finned thing?
03:13 PM XXCoder: yeah. I dont know if yours is pfte lined or all metal
03:17 PM JT-Shop: looks like the bowden tube goes all the way in
03:17 PM XXCoder: pfte lined then
03:19 PM JT-Shop: had a bunch of crap in the heat break
03:25 PM Rhine_Labs: Macnine Moving Day the joys.
03:50 PM roycroft: you should get some capricorn bowden tubing, if you don't already have it, jt-shop
03:50 PM roycroft: it's much slicker than the other stuff, and much more consistent in inside diameter
03:51 PM XXCoder: make sure its real ones though, anything good, there'll be million clones that arent
03:51 PM XXCoder: dunno where real ones would be bought at though
03:58 PM JT-Shop: I have this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GM6W972
03:58 PM JT-Shop: actual nozzle temperature is about 8°C below the displayed temperature
03:59 PM XXCoder: oh what resistance did you get when it was cool?
04:00 PM JT-Shop: I haven't tested that yet
04:00 PM XXCoder: ok
04:00 PM JT-Shop: Recv: FIRMWARE_NAME:Marlin Creality 3D SOURCE_CODE_URL:https://github.com/MarlinFirmware/Marlin PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:Ender-3 EXTRUDER_COUNT:1 UUID:cede2a2f-41a2-4748-9b12-c55c62f367ff
04:03 PM JT-Shop: anyway I think cleaning the crap out of the heat break tube and getting a clean nozzle will make a huge difference
04:07 PM XXCoder: yeah
04:07 PM XXCoder: did you also lap nozzle or clean
04:08 PM XXCoder: I'm starting to suspect I need to do same to mine. it has a lot of milage by now
04:08 PM JT-Shop: I just used the cleaning wire to get the tip burrs out
04:08 PM XXCoder: that'd make a huge difference
04:08 PM JT-Shop: I don't really have anything small enough to lap it
04:09 PM XXCoder: lol in reprap someone had burned out plastic out of heat break and nozzle. wasnt sure what to do with ashes and hard stuff
04:09 PM XXCoder: I wondered if lapping it would work, but guy went off to fix it by spinning both and using toothpick
04:09 PM XXCoder: acciently lapping it lol
04:09 PM JT-Shop: you don't have to get it that hot lol
04:09 PM XXCoder: inside was so shiny smooth
04:10 PM XXCoder: yeah guy didnt know
04:10 PM XXCoder: using ash as lapping compound lol
04:10 PM XXCoder: that was funny
04:22 PM _unreal_: ok done cleaning the car
04:30 PM JT-Shop: ok done eating my pistachios
04:30 PM sliptonicBradCol: Anyone aware of issues with gmoccapy when building from source on Debian Bullseye? Mill config works fine with Axis but when I try to switch to Gmoccapy, the performance is unusable. Several minutes for the UI to appear.
04:30 PM sliptonicBradCol: Happens even with sim configs.
04:32 PM JT-Shop: never used gmocappppy
04:34 PM sliptonicBradCol: You use Axis for everything?
04:34 PM XXCoder: or qtoyvco
04:34 PM XXCoder: or qtpyvcp
04:35 PM JT-Shop: axis and qtpyvcp
04:35 PM JT-Shop: qtpyvcp is a tool kit to build exactly the gui you want
04:36 PM sliptonicBradCol: Yes, I've used it for panels. Great for customizing but lots of work to get something touchscreen friendly
04:38 PM JT-Shop: not really, I built a touch screen interface for my mill that does everything including g code generators thread milling and a bunch of other stuff
04:39 PM Tom_L: are touch screens kinda hit and miss on linux as far as support?
04:39 PM Tom_L: i've never tried to use one
04:41 PM Tom_L: if i can find a decent small case i might build up another mill pc with buster and try 2.9
04:41 PM _unreal_: talking about a mini itx case?
04:41 PM Tom_L: micro atx
04:41 PM _unreal_: they dont cost anything. or are you looking for used?
04:42 PM Tom_L: i have mini itx already
04:43 PM _unreal_: isnt micro atx bigger then mini itx?
04:43 PM _unreal_: off the top of my head
04:43 PM Tom_L: a little yes
04:43 PM sliptonicBradCol: @Tom_L I've had good luck with mine. Initial setup was a bit of a pain to get the digitizing correct. Was able to find plenty of help in the debian communities to figure it out though.
04:44 PM sliptonicBradCol: Unfortunately this one is cheap and maxes out at 10x7 So it won't run qtdragon. Gmoccapy has been fine and quite comfortable.
04:44 PM Tom_L: i don't have one or have one in mind, just have seen a few have issues getting them going
04:46 PM JT-Shop2: touch screens anymore are plug and play in linux
04:47 PM Tom_L: k
04:47 PM JT-Shop2: the last two just plugged in and just worked
04:47 PM JT-Shop2: I'll give you a link to the small one in a bit
04:47 PM Tom_L: i could put one on the rpi i suppose
04:49 PM Tom_L: heading out for a bit
05:00 PM CaptHindsight[m]: 20 years ago touch screens used all sorts of custom controllers, it all became standardized over time
05:06 PM _unreal_: one standard to rule them all
05:11 PM CaptHindsight[m]: sliptonic (Brad Collette): QTPYVCP was written so that new guis may be developed rather quickly and easily by the non programmer.
05:12 PM XXCoder: its definitely fanastic
05:12 PM XXCoder: I planned to play around with it
05:13 PM XXCoder: rss feed tells me its in quite active development
05:13 PM CaptHindsight[m]: XXCoder: https://matrix.to/#/#qtpyvcp:matrix.org
05:14 PM XXCoder: capt its bridged to discord also
05:15 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, 21.5" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07P619NXM
05:15 PM sliptonicBradCol: It's a fine tool. I just don't want to reinvent the wheel. I want a well-thought out GUI that works with a touch screen, handles tools intelligently, and has some support in the community. Gmoccapy ticks a lot boxes and has been great for the last 3 years on my machine.
05:16 PM JT-Shop: 15.6" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N4U7E7H
05:16 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: That is why I use Gmoccapy as well. Not perfect but works pretty well for me.
05:18 PM sliptonicBradCol: ZincBoy[CA, ON] are you running on Lcnc 2.9?
05:18 PM ZincBoy[CAON][m]: 2.8. It is too big a machine to run experimental builds 🙂
05:33 PM JT-Shop2: now where is the drop from the aspen?
05:35 PM XXCoder: insane https://youtu.be/UY5U84GiocE
05:35 PM XXCoder: you know those super precise edm cut where one fits perfectly into hole for it
05:35 PM XXCoder: hes making a blade out of it (or metal something anyway havent watched all of it)
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: can't watch video's during metered time early in the month
05:42 PM JT-Shop2: come on starlink
05:43 PM XXCoder: waiting for starlink eh
05:43 PM JT-Shop2: second set of aspen was successfully sized at 0.062" thick
05:44 PM JT-Shop2: the drawer pull will have tiger wood on the outside a thin aspen then walnut center
05:52 PM Tom_L: no word when starlink will be available?
05:55 PM Tom_L: asus seem like good products, i've got a couple of their laptops
06:09 PM JT-Shop2: well I can get a RV sat now lol
06:09 PM JT-Shop2: but I have an E-Bike... do you think it would fit
06:10 PM * JT-Shop2 calls it a day
06:10 PM Tom_L: heh
06:10 PM Tom_L: you could watch videos on the way to the mailbox
06:10 PM XXCoder: I want to have electric bicycle lol
06:12 PM roguish[m]: Tom_L: JT-Shop2 you guys talking about touch screens? get an Eloe, or Eloe compatible..
06:12 PM roycroft: i've owned several asus computers - they are decent, middle-of-the-road quality machines
06:12 PM * roycroft has half his sytainer trays installed now, and is ready to glue up the other half
06:13 PM roycroft: there's a very good chance i'll be done with everything except the top counter by tomorrow
06:13 PM roycroft: well, i'll have to install the card holders on the drawer fronts, but i want to let the varnish oil cure for a while before i do that
08:14 PM XXCoder: new blonitech video is awesome
08:18 PM roycroft: you said that last week
08:18 PM XXCoder: yeah most of her videos is awesome LOL
08:47 PM roycroft: what i like about quinn is the she is clearly an amateur machinist, but she has a decent background in engineering and math, and she researches and thinks through her projects before attempting them
08:47 PM roycroft: she knows what she does not know, and that's important
08:47 PM XXCoder: indeed
08:47 PM XXCoder: love those videos
08:48 PM XXCoder: its not godlike machinist where guy skips all kind of stuff because "everyone knows"
08:48 PM Tom_L: you mean the elite machinists club?
08:49 PM XXCoder: lol basically I guess
08:50 PM Tom_L: my bud does things the average button pusher wouldn't even dream of
08:51 PM XXCoder: yeah I used to also. not manual though
08:51 PM XXCoder: ran many machines, ranging from tiny office mill to huge a61
08:51 PM Tom_L: he's good doing manual setups etc
08:51 PM XXCoder: that tiny office mill was a lol. it works well but its NOT production machine and we treated it as one
08:52 PM XXCoder: it kept breaking
08:52 PM Tom_L: knowing machining when he started his cnc shop i think it was hard for him to pick up the electronics part of cnc
08:53 PM Tom_L: programming, connecting the machine etc
08:54 PM Tom_L: now he pretty much fixes anything that goes wrong with them himself
08:55 PM roycroft: i think a good background in manual machining helps immensely when doing cnc machining
08:55 PM Tom_L: i'm pretty sure he's slowing down now. i think he's trying to get rid of one of them
08:55 PM roycroft: where i went to machining school students were required to take two years of manual machining before being allowed to enroll in cnc classes
08:56 PM Tom_L: both my kids did both
08:56 PM Tom_L: and programming etc
08:56 PM Tom_L: acad, mastercam, catia i forget what else
08:58 PM roycroft: so when i was assembling my drawer i would glue up two at a time, two batches per day
08:58 PM roycroft: with the trays, the way things are set up in my shop right now i can only glue up one at a time
08:58 PM roycroft: but it's warm enough that i can unclamp after an hour, so i'll easily get the last four done today
08:59 PM roycroft: and it is soooooooo nice having the systainers in the trays, off the floor, and not stacked up on top of each other
09:00 PM roycroft: no matter how i stacked them before, the one i needed was always on the bottom of the stack
09:00 PM ErrorCode[m] is now known as ErrorCode6495[m]
09:00 PM roycroft: i think that's a law of the univers
09:00 PM roycroft: e
09:06 PM XXCoder: like how its always last place you look at for finding lost object? ;)
09:06 PM _unreal_: like my collets
09:06 PM _unreal_: that I just found the last one a week later
09:06 PM _unreal_: yesterday